From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 26 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 223 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed and new James Taylor rumor [Mark-Leon Thorn] Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed and new James Taylor rumor [Mark-Leon Thorn] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter (long) ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["AJ" ] Re: joni & starbucks [SMC1254@aol.com] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Owen Duff" ] Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Joni-related work stoppage ["Patti Parlette" ] Starbucks, more about the war, and Orange Fridays ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC [jeannie ] Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["AJ" ] Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter ["Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed and new James Taylor rumor Great scoop. Before those outside of North America get too excited, Hear Music only releases CDs in North American Starbucks stores as far as I know. I tried to find the last two compilations but was told Starbucks, Australia doesn't carry them. Starbucks, Australia does sell CDs from their stores but not their own label yet. Maybe by the time Shine is released, they will start selling them. Let's hope. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:53:33 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed and new James Taylor rumor Hiya Jimmy. There was a sample of the new version of BYT in the Amanda Ghost interview. Kind of calypso from memory. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 03:21:09 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter (long) Hear! Hear! Monika! (pun intended) Couldn't have stated it better myself. It's an artist's choice who they choose to do business with and if you don't agree with it.... Don't buy it! There are a lot worse companies she could have aligned herself with such as Target or Wallyworld who are in their own way imposing censorship on artists based on their beliefs or behavior. Starbucks is not a favorite place of mine, can't stand their over priced coffee, but they seem to be doing well thus far with their music endeavors. If they can get that many copies of a less than stellar McCartney album sold they must be doing something right. Starbucks is aligned with Concord Music which is one of the labels I had quietly hoped Joni would land on. They have obviously offered Joni a deal she deems as fair and just compensation or we wouldn't be hearing the album until she found what she was looking for. I hope it pans out for her. We'll see how much personal PR they get her to do for the album but if they can get her played again in the media world of today, more power to them and Joni. Sixties ideals went away when the 60's ended and I'm not so sure that is a bad thing. Having grown up during them we were somewhat naive which I'm not so sure was a bad thing but it doesn't cut it in the cut throat world of today. Naivety has been replaced by a startling wave of indifference and ignorance in the "Age of Information". So, no matter what you personally think of the corporate world, the world in general, or Joni's new album. Thank whatever you happen to believe in that she is back and hopefully back to stay! Bruce Motitan@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 7/25/2007 5:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >lesirvin@gmail.com writes: > >What happened to the ideals of >the Sixties? > > >-------------------------------------------- > To this person I would say, people back in the Sixties were still trying >to make money and capture success the same way they are today. These >musicians still had deals with HUGE record companies that were about the $$ just as >much as the creation itself. Slowly but surely the $$ became more important >to the business. But anyone that says money isn't important is only fooling >themselves. Sometimes, as bad as it may sound, you do things simply for the >money. > However, I don't think that's the case with Joni here. I'm sure it's >not all about the money but I'd suspect that she wants some kind of success >with her album. George Harrison, after having an album not do so well in the >70's, once said, "what's the point of making an album if no one's going to >listen to it?" (that is not word for word but that's the point of it). She >already stated she would not work with a direct record company again. And Joni >releasing an album on an indie label? Come on now. She's not some new up and >comer looking to break in but still trying to be "cool." That's not >plausible. > I don't see anything negative in this. Do I go to Starbucks? Nah. I >can't afford them and I'd take a cup of tea at home over a cup of an iced >mocha latte frappucino something or another anyday. That's no concern of mine >though. > The good thing here is Joni will certainly get more exposure and >promotion which is essential nowadays. Some people who may not be all that informed >on everything Joni does (such as releasing a new album) might just come >across it and purchase it on a whim. Starbucks will most likely treat Joni very >good. What is wrong with that? Paul M is not complaining. > I suppose no matter what anybody does, there will always be somebody >else bitching about it. I think there are those individuals who just need >something to complain about and will go out of their way to find something to >whine about. I mean, Starbucks the devil? Even if you hate big corporations and >chains (If you hate them so much, why don't you just avoid them all >together? We'll see how long that lasts...) they are certainly far from the worst >problem in this country or in the world in general. This is Capitalism people. > Money makes the world turn in the eyes of Capitalism. Any other way will >not do (I myself am more of a fan of Socialism but realize that will NEVER >happen in America). > I'd also tell anybody bitching about Joni signing on with Starbucks to >go bitch about something more harmful. Try the war. >-Monika, excited about the album and all for the cd deal! > > > >************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at >http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:39:37 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's CD deal: It's official I have one share of Starbucks stock because that's all I could afford to buy through Sharebuilder.com. I think it's money well spent especially with this news! I don't buy there very often but am banking on those who do. I have one across the street from my apartment and will be spending some bucks for Joni's new CD! Joni has taken me on such a musical journey that I can never be dissappointed with anything she does. What I treasure most about her is her creativity and her desire to do whatever she wants to do musically or artistically. I love her unconventional ways and her artistic freedom. That's what I support. Will I like this CD as much as I like some of her others? I don't know and I don't care. I'm just happy that she is expressing herself musically once again! Sherelle http://www.jonimitchell.com/ _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:23:59 -0400 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter In a message dated 7/25/2007 5:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lesirvin@gmail.com writes: What happened to the ideals of the Sixties? They died in the seventies. There's nothing wrong with Joni marketing her CD at Starbuck's. It's the smartest thing she could do. People don't go into cd stores anymore. There aren't too many music stores that exist. Most people get their music from downloading on the internet, ordering on the internet, and burning music for each other. Starbuck's is, like or not, how most people actually buy a cd these days. Joni is one of the few great artists left in the pop world. At least the masses will be exposed to some quality for a change. - Scott ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:06:51 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter I had to read these inane comments a couple of times just to make sure I was reading them correctly. The above phrase gave me an untrollable case of the gigglies, just imagining the headlines: "Joni Changes Labels, Guantanamo to Close!" I'm probably guilty of some of the one-issue thinking that these people exhibit, but I hope not, and I also hope that when I am that you guys will call me on it and slap me around a bit. Bob NP: The Beatles, "Something" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:15:42 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni Mitchell on the E channel Caught a note on the E channel yesterday about Joni and Starbucks. Flashed 2 different pics of her. Can't wait! Laura Get Chocolate (for your health!) http://www.playinyourday.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:48:11 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni and E Online w/Picture Story and Picture - the E Online version http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=4269cb5f-796e-40e4-a4a2-2be3fc922e24 Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:15:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter We've only had a Starbucks in Ft. Myers, FL for about 6 months. I know, hard to believe since they're on every corner in every city. I still have never stepped foot in one, only because I drink very little coffee and it could be Folgers Instant for all I care. I think this will give Joni some GREAT exposure, and I can finally say I walked into a Starbucks. Hell, I don't care if Joni was selling her CD in a 7-11 :) Jimmy ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:18:53 -0700 (PDT) From: KEVIN DOHENY Subject: The return of Joni..(and me) lol Hello fellow Joniphiles! I have missed you all very much(especially my fellow "jerseygirl" Rosie)..Missed the sense of community and the friendships I made here..Life has taken many turns but alas I am here..I figured the news of Joni's upcoming album was perfect timing to re-enter this wonderful world..I cried like a baby last night reading the news about "Shine".. I am waiting like I used to wait for 'santa' in october.. lol..It's been a while and i am not sure how many tri-state area people are on here anymore but we really should have a listening party! and also plan to go together to this gallery opening(news to me but great news!)! hope you are all well! much love! and equally excited in jersey... Kevin - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:55:09 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In a message dated 7/25/2007 5:40:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > lesirvin@gmail.com writes: > > What happened to the ideals of the Sixties? Altamont, Watergate, yuppies, the rise of the stock market in the 1980s, the rise of the stock market in the early 2000s, another useless war killing the young and (mostly) poor, a government that has basically subverted the power of the judiciary and legislative branches, celebrity culture gone beyond the pale of any imagining, the movie "Network." which so outrageous at the time, now seeming like a tame documentary, our ignoring the various tragedies of Africa, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:04:52 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: Re: joni & starbucks First of all she did two previous projects with them that were really good. Esp the music that inspired her. Second what if she signed with a big label - pick one - they are just as corporate. Everything is a sellout in some manner of speaking. She has always complained that she was not promoted correctly so maybe she was in the position to demand a few things with her deal. I am pleased she has gone this route. It is new. Reprise was a division of WB, as was Asylum and Geffen. Would going back to WB in some was be a sell out - not to us but most likley ot her. What if Starbucks sells Hear Music to Donald Trump in December. A snake eating its tail is always around the corner. I think the people bitching about this as a sell out are intimidated by her ( alot of people are ) they don't get her. Let them listen to Tori Amos. We need to see what they do with her. I am thrilled and hope they sell out of her CD everyday. Stephen ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:45:16 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter >> What happened to the ideals of the Sixties? > a) Listen to Joni's next album and find out. b) many of the ideals of the sixties germinated in the '70's and continue today. Feminism, gay rights, the natural food movement to name a few. Today these ideals are healthier than ever, though they are repressed by the corporate control of mass media. Instead they thrive in community radio, the internet, and other "alternative" outlets. There is more "idealist" type independant music now than there ever was, in all genres; folk, rap, rock and more. If you miss the ideals of the 60's, tune in to alternative media, and tune out of the corporate owned mainstream propoganda machine. The one that sold you the war. The one that is selling you dangerous pharmaceutical drugs and deadly junkfood. Talk about dead ideals. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:15:52 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter I have to say that, having read Joni's recent interviews, I am extremely surprised and more than a bit disappointed at her decision to sign with Hear. She's made such a fuss in the press about the actions of global corporations! She berates other people for their greed and profiteering, and yet the best explanation that anyone can come up with for her signing with Starbucks is that it'll make her more money... I'm really very puzzled by this. Obviously Joni can make whatever decision she wants for whatever reason, but her words ring somewhat hollow for me now that her actions have, in my eyes, contradicted them. And I don't agree with the justification that reaching a new audience is more important than who sells the CD. To me, standing by what one (loudly and grumpily!) purports to be their principals is more important than selling something, or reaching a new audience or whatever else she's attempting to do. O Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... Get it now at mail.lycos.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:44:08 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me Gang, I don't have high hopes for this new arrangement. Go ahead - throw fruit, whatever. I am certainly excited for the new record regardless of what it ends up sounding like (I'm sure I'll find something to like about it), and I'm excited that Joni's deal is already getting such a big media push. But here's the thing.. As an industry insider, I can't even begin to tell you all about the beating Paul McCartney took for his new CD - and part of it is b/c it got pushed to the masses. The other part is who was doing the pushing. I get several music press newsletters and Joni's already getting beaten up. So - what I see happening now is: Joni puts out Shine and rather than it making the little splash in more musically discerning circles, it's gets forced on all these people who don't have the interest or the patience, resulting in more negative press. My understanding is that the last few JM discs have sold under 50,000 copies a pop - hard to believe, but I'm pretty sure that's accurate. So, sure - SBX may be able to move more of them (mind you, SBX is only responsible for about 45% of the McCartney sales) than she'd sell otherwise. They were probably able to offer her more dough up front for the disc(s) and maybe she'll see a better percentage on the actual sale of each copy than would be the case with, let's say, a division of Warner. But - if the disc gets publically skewered, Joni's going to get pissed. More enraged. More embittered. And getting the second disc out of her is going to be like prying open a.. well, like pulling teeth. The know-it-all-hippie mentality about supporting troops in the wrong way and SBX at Guantanamo has already started (I say know-it-all because I've developed a real Eric Cartman-esque disdain for those people; they seem to believe we can't do anything right and simultaneously function in a modern world - I have no no time for it). Joni's probably just finding out about the troops-angle, however, and I'm sure it's going to irritate her. If she were moved to do so, I'm pretty sure it's too late for her to get out of the contract. So - the project is barely out of the gate and already we've got trouble. **SIGH** - she should've released it through iTunes and JM.Com with hard copies for the press to make sure it at least got written up in some larger outlets. Sorry so grim, but do a little online research about the McCartney deal and you'll see what I mean. Even SBX employees were publically singing the blues about having to listen to the CD so much. It's going to be weird seeing 11x14 window stickers about "Shine" plastered on the doors of all the local SBX outlets. I love their coffee and I drink it every day. I'm not going to let corporate greed get in the way of my enjoyment.shortsighted? Sure, admittedly. I just don't have it in me to get all bent out of shape about something I can't control. My boycotting SBX is only going to result in one thing - me drinking shitty coffee. Cheers, Chris, coming off a long 45 minute interview with Rocco DeLuca and wondering when the NY art show opening is going to be so I can plan a trip to see my folks accordingly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:37:38 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Shine, Shine, Shine! Bonjour tout le Jonimonde! I'm always running behind the times, unlike this Joni train, and now I'm finally shaking into Joni Town, breathless and jumping up and down. Joy in the morning! Jumpin' for Joni joy in the morning!!!!!! Let's all hold hands (I wanna hold your hand!) and jump up and down in Joni jubilation! (Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!) Beat is gettin' stronger Beat is gettin' longer too-oo-oo Music's soundin' good to me But I wanna, said I wanna I wanna take you higher Yeah, let me take you higher Baby, baby, let me light your fire Ooo yeah, little bit higher Boom-shaka-laka-laka Boom-shaka-la-boonka-boo (Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey!) September 25th, eh? YIPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! And I found out the sweetest way possible -- not even from the list. My phone rang before I even woke up to see if it was a Chelsea morning or not and I grumbled: "Who the hell is calling me so early?" and I let the machine get it and then I heard my precious son Michael from Mountain's voice so I picked up. M: Hi Mom! P: Hi Honey! What's up? M: I'm driving into work and I just heard some Joni Mitchell news on the radio. P: Oh yeah? (now I'm acting 50-50 fire and ice, cuz maybe he's teasing again; but also thrilled that he dialed in the number who's bound to love him, as I'm pickin' up that signal loud and clear) M: She has a new album coming out. P: Yep. Of course I knew that. We are all really excited about it. M: It's called "Shine". P (yawning audibly): Yep. M: Starbucks is putting it out. P: Yep. M: It's coming out on September 25th or something. P: WHAT???????????? SAY WHAT????? (no more fire and ice, now I'm SCREAMING) September 25th? I didn't know THAT!!!!!! Wow, Mike, you made my day! September 25th? Are you sure? I forget what else we said after that. Deep breath. And another. Okay. I pity da fools who are having lunch with me today! Love, Patti P., off of my Joni nut today in Morning UConn Town....no no no, I'm not Patti P. any more. I am the MADWOMAN OF MANSFIELD. She's baaaaaaaaaaaack! NPIMH: (I don't know why I'm all Sly & the Family Stone today...idiomatic logic...they played at Woodstock? Joni wrote Woodstock?) Shine, shine, shine! Everybody is a star Who can rain, chase the dust away Everybody wants to shine Ooh, come out on a cloudy day 'Til the sun that loves you proud When the system tries to bring you down Every hand to shine tonight You don't need darkness to do what you think is right Ba pa-pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba, ba-pa ba-pa ba ba, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Everybody is a star I can feel it when you shine on me I love you for who you are Not the one you feel you need to be Ever catch a falling star Ain't no stopping 'til it's in the ground Everybody is a star One big circle going round and round Ba pa-pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba, ba-pa ba-pa ba ba, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ba pa-pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba, ba-pa ba-pa ba ba, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh Ba pa-pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba pa-pa ba ba ba, ba-pa ba-pa ba ba, shine, shine, shine, shine SHINE SHINE SHINE SHINE! _________________________________________________________________ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:47:59 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me According to the articles posted recently, T'log sold around 73,000 copies and BSN sold around 125,000. As an insider you may have access to more accurate info. Bob NP: Ani, "Carry You Around" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:53:12 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni-related work stoppage Voila an email exchange in the ole workplace today: ***** Prof. X wrote: and tell Patti to stop ignoring me...i am sensitive! :-) stuart And Mary Smith wrote: hey! back off! there's a new Joni album coming out! She's busy! :-D Prof. X wrote: I knew about Joni, which is why I approached you first! ******* Chick-a-boom, chick-a-boom, dontcha just love it? When I get this crazy feeling, I know I'm in trouble again. They'll be calling the Employee Assistance Program or whatever that is. But they won't know what to do, because I have got a thing that is unique and new to them: JMOCD en pleine forme. Nothing can be done. xo, MoM _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:33:14 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Starbucks, more about the war, and Orange Fridays I'd also tell anybody bitching about Joni signing on with Starbucks to go bitch about something more harmful. Try the war. - - -Monika, excited about the album and all for the cd deal! Yeah! Starlight, starbright, starbucks Who gives a flying f@#k? Tell those girls that you've got Joni She's coming back home Our star is back. And we all SHINE on, like the (judgement of the) moon and the stars and the sun. "...bitch about something more harmful. Try the war." D'accord. More about the war, and the bloody changes. Big ad in NY papers: http://www.worldcantwait.org/ Don't forget to keep your eyes open for orange tomorrow. And there is a big rally at Union Square in NYC at 5 w/ Cindy Sheehan and then music at 6 p.m. Details in the above website. Carlos Arredondo is supposed to be there, too. I saw him when Bush came to CT in May. He has a very powerful story. "Carlos and Melida Arredondo lost their son Alex in 2004 and have been speaking out against war ever since. For the past eighteen months, Carlos has been driving his truck around the country to spread the word of peace in both English and Spanish; he has pledged to do so until the war is over." - -- CODEPINK email When I saw them in May, they had huge color pictures of Alex in his coffin, and enlarged copies of his letters to home. Very moving. Heartbreaking. His mother said he was killed when he was "twenty years and twenty days old." NPIMH: "The years spin by and now the boy is twenty." And now he is dead. Gone from this earth. His dreams never had any chance of coming true. Melida writes: "Carlos and I have remained public in order to continue being a wake up call to the people of this nation that it's time for us all to unite and end this war. Whether you are a Republican for Humility, a Quaker for pacifism or a die hard Democrat for peace, as a nation comprised of many peoples, each of us must work together to end this war." She said it like it was something to strive for. Peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:56:34 EDT From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter In a message dated 7/26/2007 1:49:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owenduff@lycos.co.uk writes: Obviously Joni can make whatever decision she wants for whatever reason, but her words ring somewhat hollow for me now that her actions have, in my eyes, contradicted them. And I don't agree with the justification that reaching a new audience is more important than who sells the CD. To me, standing by what one (loudly and grumpily!) purports to be their principals is more important than selling something, or reaching a new audience or whatever else she's attempting to do. O I have to say that I agree with what you are saying, one hundred percent. If you are against something, then be against it. The problem with people today is that 1) They like to talk out of both sides of their mouths, and 2) They, in many cases, really don't stand up for much, if it's going to harm their conveniences or comfort level in any way. If you say you are against something, and then buy a product from a company that supports the thing you are against, then you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. That is, to me, a hypocritical action. Secondly, the fact of the matter is that most people bitch about lots of things (as several people have already pointed out in this ongoing subject), but few rarely DO anything about it, because they don't want to step out of their comfort zone or bring attention to themselves, or they simply don't want to be inconvenienced. The sad fact of the matter is that most of us, when we believe certain things, simply cave in when enough money is offered. Now, having said that, I cannot honestly say if that is what Joni is doing or not, as I admit that I don't follow every single thing she says in every single interview that comes out about her. I am not that obssessive of a fan. I have all her CD's, and love her music, but I can't say one way or another anything about her selling out because I haven't personally seen any of her interviews blasting corporations. But, she seems to say plenty about it in some of her songs, so yes I guess there is some hypocrisy going on. I also will buy her CD, and if it's only available at Starbucks I will buy it from Starbucks. I think it just depends on how one looks at things. I detest Wal Mart, but I shop there because the closest one is only 18 miles from my house. The closest Target is almost 50....and sorry folks but I just can't afford that gas-wise. The MOMENT a Target opens up closer, I'll be there. Does this make me a hypocrite? I don't think so. I think in this case, expediency outweighs anything else. Bankrupting myself in order to prove a point won't help me. It could be the case for Joni too....She may have had no other option financially. I don't think that this particular issue is as cut and dried as we'd like it to be (And by that I mean the issue of her working with Starbucks). P.S. Sorry this email grew longer than I meant for it to be! Rick ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Our Lady of Duality Surely, coming from an insider's precise, sweet songbird's point of eye view, telling it the way it is, expressing to both the blinded and sighted, about Joni's both sides now philosophy, is truly a victory for our Lady of Duality and all of humanity, in that case of you and me and everyone. Thanks, Jim and Oddmund and All! Love, jeannie NP: Carnival~~The Cardigans - --- Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Dear Jim and Joni-philes > I read your essay "Our Lady of duality", yesterday. > I found it, by > coinsidense, only by browsing the gallery and > following the link connected > to your name. > And there it was in the JMDL library. And what a > great read, I must say ! > Both funny and clevererly written, your text > provides insightful > understanding to the artist Joni Mitchell and what > she stands for. I think > you have grasped something that most critics don't > see, I love how you > compare the early Joni with the Late Joni. The > Jazz-Joni with the folk-Joni, > they way you argue that one of them denpends on the > other, and it's very > unfair to compare them, that she is an artist that > has gone through many > changes, and evolving into a great artist, something > that would be > impossible if she just froze her 1971 sound and > themes. Having discovered > Joni quite late, in 1999, I've never had to compare > who she has become with > who she was. I fell in love with the smokey voice > and a bit bitter social > critisist, so all her career from 1968 onwards has > just come upon me as a > bonus. I believe your essay can work as a mind > broadener to tha ones that > has froze in some pattern, and a road for them to > see all of Joni. So many > thanks for your great essay ! > > Best ! > Oddmund, Norway > > And here's the link to Jim L'Hommedieu extremely > well written essay *Our > Lady Of Duality - an essay* > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1394 Take some > time off - and dive into > it, it will brighten your day, well it brightened > mine... > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545433 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:56:42 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: RE: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me The BSN # is believable since people reacted to Joni's "new" husky Sarah Vaughn-like quality. The T'Logue # is harder to swallow since it was expensive and, er, a little bloated. Either way, though, it's possible that the SBX deal will help move more copies - but that's only if the disc gets a positive buzz. _____ From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 3:48 PM To: Christopher Treacy Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me According to the articles posted recently, T'log sold around 73,000 copies and BSN sold around 125,000. As an insider you may have access to more accurate info. Bob NP: Ani, "Carry You Around" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:11:20 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC Records sales for Joni's music is not really indicative of the truth that Joni, you and I all know. That's still maybe our greatest secret and when Joni's fight for the light message gets through, record sales get scuffled along as less than secondary or tertiary, to me, anyway, though they might hit the roof for Starbuck's sales, for sure. On a totally other, off note key, having nothing to do with Joni, I know I never want to go through another fake, superficial, super fist up the a**, case of Carlos Santana's hot cake #1$@$! best seller, ~supernatural~...another one of Clive Davi$' poker chip discs that never did resuscitate again with Santana. You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed guitar playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. The Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with curly hair?!? Well, my foundation was somewhat f***ed-up, back then, but not for long, when Carlos started claiming he was a supernatural healer and shaman, and I said, "I'm fuckin' out of here, Buddy!" NP: Psychic Hearts~~Cat Power Listen to this song to hear what I feel for fake music Jean PS I picked up the latest Santana album, just for a quick listen, (DID NOT BUY) and I heard , "Boom, boom, boom, Carlos Santnana's in the room." And my mouth makes an "O" with my hands to my face and think, "What a long fall from grace, man. You with your millions upon millions of poker disc best sellers and adulating dollars that all bow down to you." The last three albums he made are all tribute albums to himself. The Bluegrass Tribute Album to Santana with banjos and mandolins is better than any of his own tribute albums to the supernatural shaman himself. - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > sold under 50,000 > copies > a pop - hard to believe, but I'm pretty sure that's > accurate.> > > According to the articles posted recently, T'log > sold around 73,000 copies > and BSN sold around 125,000. > > As an insider you may have access to more accurate > info. > > Bob > NP: Ani, "Carry You Around" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged > material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this > message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in > reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in > error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of > the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________________________________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:20:28 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:11 PM, jeannie wrote: > > You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed guitar > playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in > Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it > wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's > playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. The > Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with > curly hair?!? Neal Schon? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC Yes, he plays an awesome get down guitar!! jean - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:11 PM, jeannie wrote: > > > > > You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed > guitar > > playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in > > Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it > > wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's > > playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. > The > > Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with > > curly hair?!? > > > Neal Schon? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:17:11 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: RE: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me Point taken, I think... But record sales were only a small part of what I was getting at here. It had more to do with negative publicity, something that's kept Joni pretty sour for more than 30 years at this point. - -----Original Message----- From: jeannie [mailto:dreamin1957jeannie@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 6:11 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com; Christopher Treacy Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC Records sales for Joni's music is not really indicative of the truth that Joni, you and I all know. That's still maybe our greatest secret and when Joni's fight for the light message gets through, record sales get scuffled along as less than secondary or tertiary, to me, anyway, though they might hit the roof for Starbuck's sales, for sure. On a totally other, off note key, having nothing to do with Joni, I know I never want to go through another fake, superficial, super fist up the a**, case of Carlos Santana's hot cake #1$@$! best seller, ~supernatural~...another one of Clive Davi$' poker chip discs that never did resuscitate again with Santana. You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed guitar playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. The Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with curly hair?!? Well, my foundation was somewhat f***ed-up, back then, but not for long, when Carlos started claiming he was a supernatural healer and shaman, and I said, "I'm fuckin' out of here, Buddy!" NP: Psychic Hearts~~Cat Power Listen to this song to hear what I feel for fake music Jean PS I picked up the latest Santana album, just for a quick listen, (DID NOT BUY) and I heard , "Boom, boom, boom, Carlos Santnana's in the room." And my mouth makes an "O" with my hands to my face and think, "What a long fall from grace, man. You with your millions upon millions of poker disc best sellers and adulating dollars that all bow down to you." The last three albums he made are all tribute albums to himself. The Bluegrass Tribute Album to Santana with banjos and mandolins is better than any of his own tribute albums to the supernatural shaman himself. - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > sold under 50,000 > copies > a pop - hard to believe, but I'm pretty sure that's > accurate.> > > According to the articles posted recently, T'log > sold around 73,000 copies > and BSN sold around 125,000. > > As an insider you may have access to more accurate > info. > > Bob > NP: Ani, "Carry You Around" > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the > person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged > material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this > message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, > retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in > reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in > error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any > computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of > the company. > - ------------------------------------------------------------ > ____________________________________________________________________________ ________Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:24:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Loose Wires Were Lashin' Out At Me SJC Yes, he plays an awesome get down guitar!! jean - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Jul 26, 2007, at 6:11 PM, jeannie wrote: > > > > > You know I fell in love with Carlos' supposed > guitar > > playing back in '73, along with my best friend, in > > Song Of The Wind, on the album Caravanserai and it > > wasn't even him playing. It was the other guy's > > playing, from Journey. I can't remember his name. > The > > Middle-Eastern looking guy who's kind of cute with > > curly hair?!? > > > Neal Schon? > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:14:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Starbucks rumor confirmed Me too. I agree right down the line. They coaxed her into documenting her roots for the "Joni Mitchell: Artist's Choice" collection, and they delivered the tracks that others picked ("Joni Mitchell: Songs Chosen By Her Friends & Fellow Musicians"). Heck, they even like subtitles for their discs. They don't have to say, "We'd love to release your CD on Reprise but because you won't sell enough, we'll put it out on "Nonesuch". Starbucks was "with her" when she thought she was "done". They "get" Joni and apparently their customers do too. Go, Joni. Jim L From: Catherine McKay >Even though Starbucks irritates the crap out of me in more ways than I care to list right now, somehow Joni's working through them to release her new one *doesn't* bug me and I think it could work and is a good middle ground (so to speak) between working for a big-biz record company and going indy. And I could be wrong, but she may end up selling a lot more this way than she would if she went with a traditional record label. Her CD will be in the face of gazillions of coffee zombies on their way in and out of the Starbucks...> - - --- Richard Flynn wrote: http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/07/25/arts/NA-A-E-MUS-US-Starbucks-Mitch > ell.php ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:16:22 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen Duff" >I have to say that, having read Joni's recent interviews, I am extremely >surprised and more than a bit disappointed at her decision to sign with >Hear. She's made such a fuss in the press about the actions of global >corporations! She berates other people for their greed and profiteering, >and yet the best explanation that anyone can come up with for her signing >with Starbucks is that it'll make her more money... I'm really very puzzled >by this. > > Obviously Joni can make whatever decision she wants for whatever reason, > but her words ring somewhat hollow for me now that her actions have, in my > eyes, contradicted them. And I don't agree with the justification that > reaching a new audience is more important than who sells the CD. To me, > standing by what one (loudly and grumpily!) purports to be their > principals is more important than selling something, or reaching a new > audience or whatever else she's attempting to do. ________________________________________________________________ If you make art in the world today, you inevitably end up making compromises. I, for instance, am a huge believer in independent bookstores (which are closing at staggering rates because of the big chains), buy most of my books from independent bookstores, and know that the only hope for serious fiction and poetry is the independent bookseller. But I had to swallow my distaste and do a reading/signing last year at Barnes and Noble because it is the only bookstore in the small city where my parents live. Obviously Mitchell's situation is different. But if she wants to be heard, I'm not sure what other choice she has. - --AJ, who hates being a pragmatist ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:31:45 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Starbuck's Reckless Daughter We haven't had that spirit here since nineteen sixty-nine. Last night the ghost of my old ideals re-ran on channel five. Master of the obvious, Jim L. seulbzzaj@aol.com >What happened to the ideals of the Sixties?> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #223 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)