From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #206 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 12 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 206 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re:Judgement Of The Moon And Stars [jeannie ] Re: A Joni question... ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: A Joni question... ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: A Joni question... [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni & Jaco [missblux@googlemail.com] Judgement of the Moon and Stars [Robert Procyk ] Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes ["Patti Parl] Re: Joni & Jaco [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 00:24:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: re:Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Oh, my God, Mia! This is beautiful. So exquisite-ly expressed! Truly, Jean mia _ wrote: Hi Monika, JOTMAS is one of my favorite songs. It only took me three listenings and I was hooked. I also consider it as one of my favorite singing-(off-key, of course)-in-the-shower tunes. Love the part you mentioned, but beginning with "Draw yourself a bath..." Fun to sing A Capella, as is Lesson in Survival - -"Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity, your friends protect you, scrutinize me, I get so damn timid..," and Court and Spark -"His eyes were the color of the sand and the sea..." You asked "Are there some songs you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed?" Yes - Paprika Plains. I can't say I hated it from the start, just that I used to skip it a lot because of all the other great songs on DJRD I was in a hurry to get to. Now I listen to it all the time in my car, and it literally makes me cry. It is so beautiful, an epic, a masterpiece! I can smell the wet grass and soap, and jungle gardenias, Pine Sol, and beer. Only Joni could make the word "galvanized" sound poetic. And channeling the both sides now of her people from childhood, "they would've cleared the floor just to watch that rain come down" So defining. Her fascination with the Native American culture, next her anger "But when the church got thru, they traded their beads for bottles..." - tragic, a culture utterly destroyed. But my favorite line of all is "I would beat the drum like war, I'd beat the drum, I'd beat the drum like war" - I feel just like a little kid again when I sing this. Joni even plays the piano like she's a little kid banging on the keys with lots of kiddie passion. And some of the piano chords have a Native American feel to them, or at least to me they do. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 - --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 10:14:39 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Judgement and themes Hi Bob, Monika, Jean and everyone else, thanks for welcoming me back! I missed this list when I was on vacation but I had promised myself not to go near a computer during those two weeks. I'm glad to be back, though I did have a great time in Germany. The weather wasn't too bad if you don't crave hot summer days. It was raining a lot but there was some sunshine as well and I was out walking in the woods nearly every day. Since I am from Germany originally (though I have lived most of my life in Sweden), I have some relatives there, and every time I go there we have these family reunions. Nowadays, my family has been both diminished and grown. My mother died last year, my eldest sister some years ago, but my younger sister has three grandchildren aged 3, 4 and 6.And of course the spouses of her sons were new additions a few years back. And then there are my cousins and their spouses and children. - As for the language, Monika, if you like it raw, I'd recommend Dutch.:-) Bob, "today I am not prey to dark uncertainty" is one of my favourites, too. As is the entire song. "I think I understand, fear is like a wilderland, stepping stones or sinking sands" is such a simple yet completely fitting description of how anxiety feels - only Joni can do it! When I was young, I suffered from panic attacks and I used these lines like a mantra to calm me down. It worked! Jean, I am appalled at the way not only the Chinese but other peoples in Asia, too, treat animals, especially cats. Then again, so did Europeans in historical times. It has to do with economy and social welfare, I guess. The less you have, the harder you have to work for food and basic needs, the less regard you will have for animals. As welfare increases for humans, so it does for the animals around them, or so it seems to me. I am not offering excuses, just trying to understand. Monika, people around you must think that you are very clever (which you probably are!), quoting Shakespeare and Nietzsche. If they recognise the quotes, they will realise how well-read you are, if not, you will appear extremely witty and intelligent. In both cases, your gain! Today I woke up with The Gallery on my mind, for no reason I know of.Maybe I dreamt something that I just don't remember. Have a good day, all of you! Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:36:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: A Joni question... No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. Jerry Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its > a > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only > ask > due to something I read recently. > -Monika > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss > but > my curiosity always eats at me. > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 11:51:01 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: A Joni question... Wasn't Jaco married to Ingrid while they toured the Shadows & Light thing? Or have I got that wrong. But I guess gerry's right... we will NEVER know.... On 11/07/07, Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > No one will ever know for sure but it is HIGHLY unlikely. > > Jerry > > Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its > > a > > private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only > > ask > > due to something I read recently. > > -Monika > > P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to > > make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss > > but > > my curiosity always eats at me. > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > > http://www.aol.com. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 07:24:26 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: A Joni question... I don't think she was, because at the time she was involved with Don Alias... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 13:38:08 +0200 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni & Jaco Hi Monika, did you read Karen O'Brien's "ultimate" Joni Biography? Leslie gave it to me when I was in LA some months ago - I just browsed through it again, and although I thought I remembered that Joni and Jaco had been involved I find no mention of it. She had something with Don Alias, though.... One thing I like about the biography is that it is relatively neutral when it comes to talking about Joni's romantic life, it mentions the facts but doesn't describe or interpret. It's not a novel. I am in fact listening to Jaco's debut album right now, from 1975. Before I joined here, I didn't even know his name. I read up about him on Wikipedia, and how he had told Joe Zawinul he was the best bass player in the World, and Zawinul thought he was a lunatic, until he heard him play. Zawinul is playing the Royal Theatre in Copenhagen tonight. Here is my Q: Jaco is pronounced Yaco, isn't he? Bn Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:24:03 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: A Joni question... I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its a private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only ask due to something I read recently. - - -Monika P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss but my curiosity always eats at me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 08:57:41 -0600 From: Robert Procyk Subject: Judgement of the Moon and Stars Judgement of the Moon and Stars was the stand-out favorite of mine the first time I listened to FTR, many moons ago. In fact, it's one of my favorite Joni songs, and each time I listen to it, still to this day, I get that little pang of jealousy because I wish I had the gift with words that she does. Every time I hear the "that's no substitute for the song of a warm, warm body loving your touch", I still marvel at the lyric and wish it was mine. Anyway, the song is perfection. But I do know what Monika is talking about. I never took much of a shine to FTR other than Judgement. When I joined the list in 98 and met Joni gurus like Ashara and Kakki, and they would mention their love of FTR, I would think to myself "why?". And then, as always happens, you spin the thing one day and suddenly you are sucked into the vortex. I started falling in love with it about 5 years ago, and now I must say that the album is probably my favorite Joni (of course, this is always subject to change every 6 months or so!). And I did have that moment Monika talked about, not too long ago. I never really cared for the title track until recently, and now, I just keep hitting repeat. There is something so... oh this will sound so cheesy, but... velvety... LOL, I can describe it, but the way she phrases "on your mark red ribbon runner" is just beautiful. But anyway, I absolutely love the song now. I also had the same moment with Paprika Plains. At first, I just dismissed it as some 70's thing, you know, Joni's version of "Fool's Overture" or something, but then after giving it another chance.... I am amazed. And you know, being from the prairies, and having been on Railway Avenue in North Battleford, and having cleared the room to watch the sky a time or two, well, I knoe what she's talking about. Now, if I could only have that magic moment and get into WTRF too.... but I don't think that's gonna happen any time soon, as there are only about 3 tracks I can say I really love on there (and they ain't the ones people usually love, either). Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 16:44:40 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes Monika schreibt: "Hello there and welcome back! How was Germany? It seems like such an interesting country especially with its extensive history. Some say they think the German language is the ugliest sounding language but I've always liked it. It's so raw and harsh." Monika, you think it's too raw? (appropriate-for-the-subject-line TIC here: You're too raw They think you're too raw It's the judgement of the moon and stars.....) Jawohl! Welcome back, Marion! I've always liked the German language, too. It's so "klipp und klar". I love the cadence and the intonation, too. From up and down, and still somehow! I love it when I walk into our grad student office and German natives are talking. It's music to my ears. It is unlike French where it all rolls together. The "klipp und klar" clarity can be a refreshing break for when your mind gets weak and lazy. But forget weak and lazy when you have to remember all the cases and declensions and stuff (der, die, das, dem, den, etc.)! I think it's a hard language for Americans to learn because students are no longer taught to diagram sentences, so they don't know the difference between a direct and an indirect object, etc. When I was a sophomore (sophomore jive) in high school (just about when Clouds was released), my school started offering German and I was one of the first to sign up. My friends thought I was crazy: "Why would you want to take TWO languages?" (I was already taking French.) Ha! I didn't listen to their sophomore jive I knew all along That they were all wrong And I knew that they thought I was crazy but I'm not Oh no I knew what was happening I knew I was a language genius...(well, not a genius, but a lover of language...) I had a thing that was unique and new... Cuz instead of one language, I took two! Monika also wrote: "But often I'll be talking to someone and a lyric or quote will pop into my head as a response to them and usually I respond with that lyric or quote. I do this with Joni songs all the time as well as quoting Nietzsche or sometimes even Shakespeare. Nobody ever knows what I'm talking about or more or less they don't realize I'm quoting something (it is particularly funny when doing so with Shakespeare and people don't realize its Shakespeare or maybe they just don't really listen??). A few times (with my brother) I quoted some Joni lyrics and he atleast realized I was quoting something. He just rolled his eyes and said, "what are you quoting now? Neil Young right? Or no, Joni Mitchell? Some more Nietzsche?" It's fun to confuse people...." Funny you should mention Shakespeare, because every time Joni pops in out of the blue (on the radio in the car, from the speakers in a restaurant, in a newspaper article, etc.) I immediately say to myself: "But soft! What light from yonder window breaks! It is the east, and Joni is the sun." And if she is quoted in an article, I always say: "She speaks. Oh, speak again, bright angel." And as for quoting Joni herself, a few weeks ago I was at my mother's bedside as she was returning to life (thank God for this miracle), and I knew it was finally safe to go home. So I bought me a plane ticket, and called my best friend to see if she could pick me up at the airport. (She and I became b/f over Joni in 1975 but I won't repeat the tale.) I said: "Don't worry if you can't. I'll just take my baggage off the carousel and take a taxi into town (and then I started singing) "Yellow schools of taxi fishes Jonah in a ticking whale Caught up at the light in the fishnet windows Of Bloomingdale's..." My mother just sat there shaking her head, and said: "I don't know why people don't just HANG UP ON YOU!" You just have to laugh, cuz it's all so crazy, this JMOCD! Love, Patti P. P.S. to Marion: In 1967 I moved to California and for some reason (Inger Stevens?) I was enamoured with the Swedish language. I couldn't speak it, but I often tried to speak with a Svedish accent. I met this cute boy (surfer boy Danny Baker, Kate!) one California night underneath the streetlights and pretended I was Swedish. Turns out his mom and my mom had become friends, and when his mom told him she wanted him to meet me, he told her he wasn't interested because he had just met a cute Swedish girl! LOL.... _________________________________________________________________ http://newlivehotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 14:44:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco In a message dated 7/11/2007 7:38:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, missblux@googlemail.com writes: did you read Karen O'Brien's "ultimate" Joni Biography? Leslie gave it to me when I was in LA some months ago - I just browsed through it again, and although I thought I remembered that Joni and Jaco had been involved I find no mention of it - ------------------------------------- Yes, I own it! It's a great read. You're right. There is no mention of them. I didn't think they were ever involved but I'd figure I ask you knowledgeable folks here. I read an article the other day that mentioned Jaco among Joni's many "famous lovers." Now that was the first I ever heard of that and I hardly believe everything I read. It seems an awful lot of journalists just like to lump in even people Joni SIMPLY KNEW into her "famous lovers" box. I've seen names before linked to her romantically where I know for a fact, that wasn't the case... - -Monika NP: Love The One You're With- Stephen Stills ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #206 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)