From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #205 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 205 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes ["Marion Lef] Re: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes [Motitan] Re: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes [jeannie] VLJC: Top 10's from the JMDL library [Motitan@aol.com] A Joni question... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Judgement Of The Moon & Stars [PassScribe@aol.com] re:Judgement Of The Moon And Stars ["mia _" ] Rolling Stone ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:38:58 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes Hi all, back from a computer-free two week vacation in Germany and just finished reading my jmdl-mail. There were some great threads I really enjoyed, particularly For the roses. I never realised the connection with horse races, this insight gave me a completely new perspective! And the Mingus thread made me want to listen to Mingus again. I haven't heard it in years. Unfortunately I only have the album and don't own a record player anymore. Got to get the cd. As for Judgement I feel the other way round, Monika. I used to like the song when I first heard it but nowadays it doesn't do much for me and I tend to skip it. It feels a little pretentious to me, a little overloaded. Though "you got to shake your fists at lightning now, you got to roar like forest fire" is a great line to remember whenever you feel discouraged. Monika, you also asked for "life theme" songs of Joni's. I tried and tried but I cannot for the life of me pick any. Instead, lots of lines from Joni's lyrics run through my life like threads in tapestry. To mention a few that come to mind right now: "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling, looking for something, what can it be" "but you're bound to lose if you let the blues get you scared to feel" "fly, silly seagull, no dreams can possess you, no voices can blame you for sun on your wings" And lots more. Joni's songs pop up in my mind nearly every day, sometimes when I wake up in the morning and sometimes later, and I am always wondering which one it will be today! It can be triggered by memory, mood or things happening around me. I know Patti has this kind of experience, does anybody else? I love this list! Marion in Sweden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 10:30:43 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes Hello there and welcome back! How was Germany? It seems like such an interesting country especially with its extensive history. Some say they think the German language is the ugliest sounding language but I've always liked it. It's so raw and harsh. Anyhow, in answer to your question, "It can be triggered by memory, mood or things happening around me. I know Patti has this kind of experience, does anybody else?" Sometimes I wake up with lyrics going 'round my head. I'll wake up and the first thing I think are of those lyrics. It has happened with Joni songs and other songs as well. The funniest are the times when songs are in my head upon waking that I didn't even realize I knew the words to (songs I don't listen to much or whatever the case may be) but I suppose subconsciously I do. But often I'll be talking to someone and a lyric or quote will pop into my head as a response to them and usually I respond with that lyric or quote. I do this with Joni songs all the time as well as quoting Nietzsche or sometimes even Shakespeare. Nobody ever knows what I'm talking about or more or less they don't realize I'm quoting something (it is particularly funny when doing so with Shakespeare and people don't realize its Shakespeare or maybe they just don't really listen??). A few times (with my brother) I quoted some Joni lyrics and he atleast realized I was quoting something. He just rolled his eyes and said, "what are you quoting now? Neil Young right? Or no, Joni Mitchell? Some more Nietzsche?" It's fun to confuse people.... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:02:06 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Judgement of the moon and stars; Joni's songs as life themes Hello, Marion. You spoke so pretty, like FTR, on your message. Germany sounds nice around this time of the year. I hope you added nice memories to your travelogue. I, too, feel the same way, concerning Joni quotes. If Joni hadn't poured out her lines from time to time, her words wouldn't be flowing from me all of the time. Sometimes, I think Joni may have used less known words and/or created pretty phrases that eventually get used by the media and masses. I've wondered if she came out with, "Adding insult to injury." Or, "Just-Ice." Or, "You can lie, and cheat, and scheme and scam. Beat 'em any way you can. The phrase, "Big-Whig Financiers," I hadn't heard other than in my history books during the 'robber-baron' times when greed monopolized the rail-road system. And history repeats itself. This administration and corporate CEOs and big whig financiers are monopolizing the world economy these present times, these troubled times. And China is free-wheeling and dealing without many regulations. I can't stand, nor trust products from China. I get disgusted when I have seen how they (Chinese) brutalize the creatures. Even the pope recently stated that the way a culture treats its animals, is the same way it views and treats its citizens. They're barbaric with the poor animals and I can't imagine the prisons and orphanages and their social services.. Germans treat their pets with much love and lots of respect. Sincerely, jean Marion Leffler wrote: Hi all, back from a computer-free two week vacation in Germany and just finished reading my jmdl-mail. There were some great threads I really enjoyed, particularly For the roses. I never realised the connection with horse races, this insight gave me a completely new perspective! And the Mingus thread made me want to listen to Mingus again. I haven't heard it in years. Unfortunately I only have the album and don't own a record player anymore. Got to get the cd. As for Judgement I feel the other way round, Monika. I used to like the song when I first heard it but nowadays it doesn't do much for me and I tend to skip it. It feels a little pretentious to me, a little overloaded. Though "you got to shake your fists at lightning now, you got to roar like forest fire" is a great line to remember whenever you feel discouraged. Monika, you also asked for "life theme" songs of Joni's. I tried and tried but I cannot for the life of me pick any. Instead, lots of lines from Joni's lyrics run through my life like threads in tapestry. To mention a few that come to mind right now: "I am on a lonely road and I am travelling, looking for something, what can it be" "but you're bound to lose if you let the blues get you scared to feel" "fly, silly seagull, no dreams can possess you, no voices can blame you for sun on your wings" And lots more. Joni's songs pop up in my mind nearly every day, sometimes when I wake up in the morning and sometimes later, and I am always wondering which one it will be today! It can be triggered by memory, mood or things happening around me. I know Patti has this kind of experience, does anybody else? I love this list! Marion in Sweden - --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 20:49:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: VLJC: Top 10's from the JMDL library I was reading random articles from the JMDL library and came across "Maverick's Top 10 Lists" by Joel Selvin from the San Francisco Chronicle. If you haven't read it, here is the rather interesting part: "Record industry gadfly Bob Lefsetz puts out a bimonthly insiders newsletter, the Lefsetz Letter, that purports to track trends in the music business. It really is little more than his own crusty opinions, handed out at no small expense to an elite readership of record biz bigwigs. He didn't really expect to raise such a ruckus with his latest issue, but his list of Top 10's has been drawing insults and accolades from the top quarters of industry. Again, it is vintage Lefsetz, an opinionated smart-mouth with a mailing list, but if he didn't have some kind of special insight, would anybody care? Here's some of the things that has the moguls mumbling: Top 10 Most Respected Artists: 1) John Lennon, 2) Peter Gabriel, 3) Joni Mitchell, 4) Van Morrison, 5) Prince, 6) Neil Young, 7) Bob Dylan, 8) Jeff Beck, 9) Bob Marley, 10) Steve Winwood. Top 10 Least Respected Artists: 1) Milli Vanilli, 2) Samantha Fox, 3) Tiffany, 4) New Kids on the Block, 5) Poison, 6) MC Hammer, 7) Starship, 8) Martika, 9) Vixen, 10) Madonna. Top 10 Grudgingly Respected, But Hated Artists: 1) Richard Marx, 2) Phil Collins, 3) Bad English, 4) Crosby, Stills and Nash, 5) Billy Joel, 6) Kenn y G, 7) Terence Trent D'Arby, 8) Chicago, 9) Asia, 10) Madonna. Top 10 Albums Artists Will Probably Never Equal: 1) "Back in Black" by AC/DC, 2) "Blood on the Tracks" by Bob Dylan, 3) "Crosby, Stills and Nash" by Crosby, Stills and Nash, 4) "Colour by Numbers" by Culture Club, 5) ' 'Thriller" by Michael Jackson, 6) "Back In the High Life" by Winwood, 7) ' 'Band on the Run" by Paul McCartney, 8) "Pet Sounds" by the Beach Boys, 9) ' 'Layla" by Eric Clapton, 10) "Late for the Sky" by Jackson Browne. Top 10 Reasons Why Most Artists Never Come Back: 1) They never had any talent to begin with. 2) They're burned out. 3) Nobody believes in them. 4) The artist has lost his desire. 5) The artist has lost his confidence. 6) Everyone tells the artist he's a has-been. 7) Everyone believes musical styles have changed. 8) Record companies believe Americans are only interested in new artists (and it's easier to break new acts rather than has-beens). 9) Record companies believe recording artists have to be young. 10) Everyone believes if the artist hasn't had a hit in years, he's not capable of having another one. Top 10 Problems With Album Radio: 1) There aren't enough stations. 2) Refusal to play new music. 3) Insistence on playing old music. 4) Refusal to take risks. 5) Listening to consultants. 6) Research. 7) Pompous, slimy deejays. 8) Not respecting the audience. 9) Refusal to program more than one great track from a new album. 10) Programming with a national attitude instead of a local attitude. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 21:24:03 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: A Joni question... I just have a quick question. Normally I don't ask these things (as its a private matter) but were Joni and Jaco Pastorius ever involved? I only ask due to something I read recently. - -Monika P.S. You can email offlist with the answer if you know as I don't want to make a discussion out of this. There are more important things to discuss but my curiosity always eats at me. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:49:00 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon & Stars > From: Bob Muller > Subject: Re: Judgement Of The Moon And Stars > > JOTMAS was my hands-down fave the very first time I heard FTR. Like all of > her best songs, it succeeds on EVERY level; musically, lyrically, emotionally. > > It is a paean to Beethoven. > > I refer to it as "Joni Symphony #1", where Down To You is #2 and Paprika > Plains is #3. > I would probably say JOTMAS is my second favorite Joni tune after "Down To You" ;-) Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:06:47 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re:Judgement Of The Moon And Stars Hi Monika, JOTMAS is one of my favorite songs. It only took me three listenings and I was hooked. I also consider it as one of my favorite singing-(off-key, of course)-in-the-shower tunes. Love the part you mentioned, but beginning with "Draw yourself a bath..." Fun to sing A Capella, as is Lesson in Survival - -"Maybe it's paranoia, maybe it's sensitivity, your friends protect you, scrutinize me, I get so damn timid..," and Court and Spark -"His eyes were the color of the sand and the sea..." You asked "Are there some songs you didn't like from the start and then realized what you missed?" Yes - Paprika Plains. I can't say I hated it from the start, just that I used to skip it a lot because of all the other great songs on DJRD I was in a hurry to get to. Now I listen to it all the time in my car, and it literally makes me cry. It is so beautiful, an epic, a masterpiece! I can smell the wet grass and soap, and jungle gardenias, Pine Sol, and beer. Only Joni could make the word "galvanized" sound poetic. And channeling the both sides now of her people from childhood, "they would've cleared the floor just to watch that rain come down" So defining. Her fascination with the Native American culture, next her anger "But when the church got thru, they traded their beads for bottles..." - tragic, a culture utterly destroyed. But my favorite line of all is "I would beat the drum like war, I'd beat the drum, I'd beat the drum like war" - I feel just like a little kid again when I sing this. Joni even plays the piano like she's a little kid banging on the keys with lots of kiddie passion. And some of the piano chords have a Native American feel to them, or at least to me they do. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! http://maps.live.com/?wip=69&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Rolling Stone The 40th Anniversary issue of Rolling Stone has some interesting Joni content. Mama Cass was definitely the founder of the Laurel Canyon "salon set" and Graham Nash has a nice piece called I Was There on the Laurel Canyon scene. Jerry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #205 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)