From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #193 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 29 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 193 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Cruise [Jerry Notaro ] Joni stamp ["Steve Petrica" ] Re: Joni Mitchell and Chan Marshall: A Case of Blue [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni meetings? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #192 [ROSCOE1TC@aol.com] Cat Power & Jane Siberry [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni meetings? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni stamp [Bob Muller ] Joni's appearances [Motitan@aol.com] Joni's Enneagram (very long!) [Motitan@aol.com] VVVVVLJC! Article on Perfect Pitch... [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:41:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Cruise Now if we could only get Joni to go: Cruise through the Caribbean with Lyle Lovett and Emmylou Harris! Sixthman invites Paste readers to take advantage of a special pre-sale opportunity on this unique musical experience. Cayamo: A Journey Through Song is the ultimate vacation for any passionate music fan. The six-day (Feb. 4-10, 2008) cruise also features Shawn Colvin, Patty Griffin, John Hiatt, Buddy Miller, Brandi Carlile, Edwin McCain, Shawn Mullins and more! This inaugural songwriters cruise aboard the luxurious Carnival Victory sails from Miami and stops in Cozumel, Cayman Islands and Jamaica. Cruise fare starts at $799 per person, based on double-occupancy. Join Paste and Sixthman for a magical vacation. Visit www.cayamo.com/paste and click BOOK NOW to learn more about getting on board before the public sale. When it's time to book your trip, be sure to let Sixthman know that Paste referred you! You'll gain access to an exclusive onboard party with other Paste readers! We'll see you on the ship! P.S. This would make a great Christmas gift for me from you. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:51:47 -0400 From: "Steve Petrica" Subject: Joni stamp I'm a newcomer to the list, and I suspect this has been publicized, but just to make sure... Tomorrow (29 June) Canada Post is issuing a set of four stamps commemorating Canadian recording artists -- Joni, of course, along with Paul Anka, Gordon Lightfoot, and Anne Murray. Pictures of the set are at http://www.rpsc.org/images/2007-0629-ss.jpg The official press release is here: http://www.canadapost.ca/business/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/default-e.asp?prid=1229 Along with ordinary books of stamps, Canada Post is also offering a special souvenir sheet of four stamps ($2.08), an official First Day Cover ($3.08), and postcards of each image, stamped for mailing anywhere in the world ($1.69 apiece). I *think* orders for the first day cover have to be recieved by *today*. The number to order in Canada and the U.S. is 1-800-565-4362. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:09:11 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell and Chan Marshall: A Case of Blue The article Les put on the list says: > Joni Mitchell found solace in her paintings. Chan Marshall found solace in > sobriety. > Cool article! Thanks Les! The paintings Joni has done in my mind with her songs give me solace and sobriety. Love, Laura ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:13:13 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni meetings? In a message dated 6/28/07 2:03:58 AM, Warrenkeith91354@aol.com writes: > After the concert I encountered Joni for a second time, we spoke briefly, > she gave me back one of my roses. > Awesome!!! What did you do with the rose? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:40:28 EDT From: ROSCOE1TC@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #192 joni compared to cat power? i hadn't thought of that one. there is some cat power music that i truly respect and appreciate, but, to me, her career has been very uneven. i absolutely detested her most recent work, "the greatest." joni, on the other hand, has never disappointed. she has never ceased to challenge her listeners. she has never failed to offer work that thrills. (i know she hates to be compared. why do we seem to need to compare???? but we do.) i have always drawn parallels between joni's work and the work of p.j. harvey. simply stated, i think that the two of them have consistently defined what it is to be a writer who sings and plays guitar and communicates utterly honest sentiments and revelations, offered within a musical context that only enhances that enlightenment....that we, the listeners, are richer for having heard. my words aren't flowing well today, but while i'm trying to communicate, i have to offer this.... i can't recall ever seeing any mention of jane siberry here on the joni site. perhaps i've just missed it.... dear jane has created some utter masterpieces... perhaps some of her earlier work ("no borders here," "the speckless sky") may seem "dated," but her lyrics, her arrangements, and her vocals are never less than awe-inspiring. "jane siberry" (her first), "the walking", "when i was a boy," and "maria" are true classics that somehow people missed.... brian eno heard "bound by the beauty" and was determined to work with her... perhaps some of you may be inclined to investigate....while we wait for joni's promised new music. sincerely, terry ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:51:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Cat Power & Jane Siberry Terry, from what I gathered from the article, the writer wasn't necessarily saying that their MUSIC was similar but rather that their attitudes were similar. I've heard a little Cat Power, nothing that ever really moved me. Jane Siberry actually gets quite a lot of mention here - I don't care for her AT ALL but lots of folks are totally enamored...different strokes. Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Hallelujah" (his new one came out this week and I hated it, I always liked his alt side more than his country side, this one is all country) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Pretty cool that Joni is also getting a philatelic stamp of approval - she's had ours for a long time. So as a way of an intro, howzabout a rundown of your Joni history - how long have you been a fan, first album, concerts seen, etc. If you care to, that is. Bob NP: Son Volt, "Bandages & Scars (live)" - --------------------------------- Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:23:56 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's appearances This may seem like a strange question but is there a place that has a list of all the different tv appearances Joni has made? You know, what she performed on, where she did an interview, etc etc? I was searching the JoniMitchell.com website but wasn't quite sure what to look for. Does such a thing exist? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:13:37 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's Enneagram (very long!) I don't know if any of you find Psychology and personality oriented material to be interesting (I find it fascinating) but I was doing my own little research and came across famous people's enneagram types. One happened to include Joni's type. An enneagram is a form of popular psychology that categorizes people to 9 core personalities. Its main symbol is an enneagon, a circle enclosing an equilateral triangle and two incomplete triangles that meet in nine points along the circle's circumference. Joni was in this category: Four with Five Wing (4w5) - The Bohemian Ingmar Bergman William Blake Cory Caplinger Johnny Depp Bob Dylan Hermann Hesse Soren Kierkegaard D.H. Lawrence Yukio Mishima ***JONI MITCHELL*** Edgar Allan Poe Anne Rice J.D. Salinger Saul Steinberg "Laura Wingfield" Virginia Woolf So what does this mean according to this Psychology? This is Joni's type and all about it: "The Sensitive, Withdrawn Type: Expressive, Dramatic, Self-Absorbed, and Temperamental Basic Fear: That they have no identity or personal significance Basic Desire: To find themselves and their significance (to create an identity) Enneagram Four with a Three-Wing: "The Aristocrat" ***Enneagram Four with a Five-Wing: "The Bohemian"*** Profile Summary for the Enneagram Type Four Healthy: Self-aware, introspective, on the "search for self," aware of feelings and inner impulses. Sensitive and intuitive both to self and others: gentle, tactful, compassionate. / Highly personal, individualistic, "true to self." Self-revealing, emotionally honest, humane. Ironic view of self and life: can be serious and funny, vulnerable and emotionally strong. At Their Best: Profoundly creative, expressing the personal and the universal, possibly in a work of art. Inspired, self-renewing and regenerating: able to transform all their experiences into something valuable: self-creative. Healthy Fours tend to be idealistic, have good taste and are great appreciators of beauty. They filter reality through a rich, subtle subjectivity and are very good at metaphorical thinking, the capacity to make connections between unrelated facts and events. The Four tendency to see things symbolically is enhanced by their emotional intensity. This creates raw artistic material that almost demands to be given form. Self-expression and pursuing self-knowledge are high priorities for people with this style. Fours naturally practice synesthesia, a chronic blending of the senses that leads to intense multilevel reactions. A Four entering a new situation could see something that triggers a mental image which, in turn, evokes a feeling, which then reminds the Four of a song, which triggers more images that evoke more smells, tastes, feelings and so on. The Four?s moods and feelings can run together like a watercolor in the rain, producing a kaleidoscopic rinse of impressions in reaction to even small events. Fours value the aesthetics of beauty as much as they are attuned to the tragic nature of existence. When healthy, people with this style work to transmute the pain of living into something meaningful, through creative work of all kinds. Fours are talented at articulating subjective experience and can be fine teachers or psychotherapists in this regard. They may also be empathetic foul-weather friends, able to understand the dilemmas of others and especially willing to listen to a friend's pain. Because of the strength of their emotional imaginations, people with this style are often described as artistic. Many of the world's most accomplished artists have been Fours, and nearly all people with this style need to find creative outlets. Fours work in all kinds of occupations, but, whenever possible, they try to make their work creatively interesting. A Four's sensory richness is like the raw material of creativity. Healthy Fours give themselves creative outlets that help them express their intense inner life. Average/Less Healthy: Take an artistic, romantic orientation to life, creating a beautiful, aesthetic environment to cultivate and prolong personal feelings. Heighten reality through fantasy, passionate feelings, and the imagination. / To stay in touch with feelings, they interiorize everything, taking everything personally, but become self-absorbed and introverted, moody and hypersensitive, shy and self-conscious, unable to be spontaneous or to "get out of themselves." Stay withdrawn to protect their self-image and to buy time to sort out feelings. / Gradually think that they are different from others, and feel that they are exempt from living as everyone else does. They become melancholy dreamers, disdainful, decadent, and sensual, living in a fantasy world. Self-pity and envy of others leads to self-indulgence, and to becoming increasingly impractical, unproductive, effete, and precious. When Fours are less healthy, they begin to focus on what is unavailable or missing in their lives. They can become negative and critical, finding fault with what they do have, seeing mainly misery in the present. They then turn inward and use their imaginations to romanticize other times and places. Fours can live in the past, the future, anywhere that seems more appealing than here and now. Fours tend to envy whatever it is they don't have, embodying the saying "the grass is always greener on the other side." The need to be seen as someone special and unique may become more neurotically pronounced too. Fours can seem very in touch with their feelings, but, when unhealthy, they translate their authentic feeling into melodrama. They can be full of lament and nostalgia, demanding recognition yet rejecting anything good they get from friends. They might also grow competitive and spiteful, unable to enjoy their own successes without taking away from the achievements of others. Unhealthy: When dreams fail, become self-inhibiting and angry at self, depressed and alienated from self and others, blocked and emotionally paralyzed. Ashamed of self, fatigued and unable to function. / Tormented by delusional self-contempt, self-reproaches, self-hatred, and morbid thoughts: everything is a source of torment. Blaming others, they drive away anyone who tries to help them. / Despairing, feel hopeless and become self-destructive, possibly abusing alcohol or drugs to escape. In the extreme: emotional breakdown or suicide is likely. Generally corresponds to the Avoidant, Depressive, and Narcissistic personality disorders. Unhealthy Fours can be moody or hypersensitive while acting exempt from everyday rules. Buoyed by their sense of defective specialness, they might give themselves permission to act badly, be selfish or irresponsible. They may refuse to deal with the mundane and the ordinary, unconsciously reasoning that they are not of this world anyway. Fours at this stage incline towards feeling guilty, ashamed, melancholy, jealous and unworthy. Deeply unhealthy Fours can inhabit a harrowing world of torment. They can be openly masochistic and extravagant in their self-debasement. The lives of spectacularly self-destructive artists often reflect this kind of scenario. At this stage, a Four could become unreachably alienated. Stricken by a profound sense of hopelessness, they can sink into morbid self-loathing or grow suicidally depressed. They see their differentness in entirely negative terms and banish themselves into a kind of exile. The desire to punish themselves and others is also determined and strong. Key Motivations: Want to express themselves and their individuality, to create and surround themselves with beauty, to maintain certain moods and feelings, to withdraw to protect their self-image, to take care of emotional needs before attending to anything else, to attract a "rescuer". Famous 4s: Ingmar Bergman, Alan Watts, Sarah McLachlan, Alanis Morrisette, Paul Simon, Jeremy Irons, Patrick Stewart, Joseph Fiennes, Martha Graham, Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Johnny Depp, Anne Rice, Rudolph Nureyev, J.D. Salinger, Ana?s Nin, Marcel Proust, Maria Callas, Tennessee Williams, Edgar Allan Poe, Annie Lennox, Prince, Michael Jackson, Joni Mitchell, Virginia Woolf, Judy Garland, "Blanche DuBois" (Streetcar Named Desire). Fours are motivated by the need to experience their feelings and to be understood, to search for the meaning of life and to avoid being ordinary Fours at their BEST are: * warm * compassionate * introspective * expressive * moralistic * creative * intuitive * supportive * refined Fours at their WORST are: * depressed * self-conscious * guilt-ridden * withdrawn * stubborn * moody * self-absorbed How to get along with a Four: * give them plenty of compliments * be a supportive friend. Help them learn to love and value themselves * respect them for their special gift of vision and intuition * sometimes they don't like to be cheered up but sometimes they like to have someone lighten them up * don't tell them they are too sensitive or are overreacting What's good about being a Four: * they are are able to find meaning in life and to experience feelings at a deep level * they can establish warm connections with people * they admire the noble, truthful and beautiful in life * they are creative, intuitive and have a sense of humour * they are unique and can see the unique in others * they are aesthetic and can pick up on the feelings of those around them What's difficult about being a Four: * they may experience dark moods of emptiness and despair * they have feelings of self-hatred and shame and feel they don't deserve to be loved * they feel guilty when they disappoint people * they feel hurt or attacked when someone misunderstands them * they expect too much from themselves and life * they fear abandonment * they obsess over resentments * they long for what they don't have Fours as Children: * have active imaginations; play creatively alone or organize playmates in original games * are very sensitive * eel that they don't fit in and believe they are missing something that others have * attach themselves to idealized teachers, heroes, artists * become authoritarian or rebellious when criticized or not understood * feel lonely abandoned (perhaps as the result of parent's death or divorce) Fours as Parents: * help their children become who they really are; help the get in touch with their feelings * support creativity and originality * are sometimes overly critical and overly protective * are usually very good with children if not too self-absorbed" - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:47:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: VVVVVLJC! Article on Perfect Pitch... As I said before, I do enjoy Psychology and was just doing my own little research again (this time looking up music and Psychology) and found an article with a teeny, tiny Joni mention. And when I say "teeny tiny," I mean just her name. The Mysteries of Perfect Pitch Perfect pitch, the ability to identify tones without external reference, disappears without music lessons. By:_William Lee Adams_ (mailto:letters@psychologytoday.com) When Mariah Carey belts out a glass-shattering high note, it's impossible for most listeners to identify the tone. Not for her. Carey possesses perfect or absolute pitch (AP), the ability to identify tones without any external reference. Just as most people recognize the colors green or sky blue, those with AP instantly recognize a C or E-sharp. Although roughly 1 in 10,000 people are born with this talent, without musical training they may lose it. "At some point, they have to learn the proper termsbthe labelsband then learn to associate those labels with sensory impressions of pitch," says Daniel Levitin, a psychologist at McGill University in Montreal. That training needs to happen very early: Adult musicians with absolute pitch typically began music lessons around age 5. After age 9 it becomes virtually impossible to develop truly perfect pitch. The rare instances of late acquisition usually occur among the developmentally challengedbmost often those with autism or Williams syndromebwhose cognitive maturation is delayed. Specific languages facilitate absolute pitch. Conservatory students who are native speakers of tonal languages (languages like Mandarin and Vietnamese in which pitch conveys meaning) display perfect pitch more frequently than do their English-speaking counterparts. Alternately, prevalence among Asians may have a genetic basis. Another study, which did not consider which language subjects spoke, found that 32 percent of Asian-American music students had perfect pitch compared with 7 percent of non-Asian-American music students. Regardless of ethnicity, people with perfect pitch are more likely to have similarly talented siblings. The gift isn't always a blessing. Awareness of pitch can distract listeners from enjoying music, and playing a melody in a transposed key can be a downright nightmare. Even so, droves of wannabes enroll in courses on "pitch identification." Of course, when it comes to musical greatness, absolute pitch is irrelevant. For every Mozart who has it, there are several Tchaikovskys who don't. Perfect Pitch Born With It: Leonard Bernstein, Stevie Wonder, Julie Andrews, Ludwig van Beethoven, Celine Dion, Ella Fitzgerald, Vladimir Horowitz, Michael Jackson, Yo-Yo Ma, Barbra Streisand, Brian Wilson, Frank Sinatra, Steve Vai, Shakira, Yanni, Paul Shaffer And Those Without: Neil Young, Donald Fagen (Steely Dan), Joni Mitchell, k.d. lang, Gwen Stefani, Miles Davis, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Johannes Brahms, Igor Stravinsky, Richard Wagner - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - - - -- Shakira, perfect pitch? Really? Shouldn't you be able to sing well if you have perfect pitch? I guess not. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #193 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)