From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #186 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 186 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Outdated References [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: Joni's lyrics, historical references ["Marion Leffler" ] Thursday morning [Peep Richman ] Re: SV: Outdated references, etc. [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Favorite and meaningful 5 [LCStanley7@aol.com] RE:I wonder what Joni sounded like at 6 years old? ["Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Outdated References Never thought I'd read a thread on pay toilets here LOL. There was talk recently of introducing pay toilets in Sydney. Automated toilets were rolled out in downtown areas of Canberra, Melbourne and Sydney in the mid 90s. Their original purpose was to prevent junkies from shooting up in them because they are on a time limit. Too bad if you have a bowel disorder. A self cleaning cycle begins within a few minutes and if you're locked in - too bad. The big topic of controversy in Sydney lately has been revenue raising via parking fines and new meters everywhere so, it's not such a leap to include coin operation to the automated toilets. What a sad development. Is nothing free anymore? Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:32:34 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni's lyrics, historical references I don't know about the rest of the world but in Europe fishnet stockings are fashionable again, and since they are now produced in a different way - other kind of fabric or whatever - they do fit better than they did in the 50's and 60's. I wouldn't wear them now, of course, but I do see girls and young women wearing them. I'm not sure Joni wore them back then, though she did follow the fashion and was a trendsetter herself. I remember her lovely long dresses...Fishnet stockings - as opposed to plain nylons - were considered a bit daring... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr jeannie Skickat: den 21 juni 2007 00:02 Till: Marion Leffler; joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Joni's lyrics, historical references What about those old French fishnet stockings? I see old films, like Fellini's or Pier Paolo Pasolini's and the women wore them back in the 50's. Here, I don't think they caught on until the Twiggy 60's and that's about the time Joni sang about them. Did she ever wear them? I don't know for sure, but most probably did. Joni wears her clothing very well. As a kid, I did, on those dress up days, though I hated the way they wouldn't cling to the contour of the back of my knee. A pair of those fishnet stockings is something I wouldn't mind owning right about this time if they only could cling tightly to my legs. Jeannie - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > ..a lady in a Paris dress with runs in her nylons. > > > > Runs in nylons were a common embarrassment to women > in the 50's and 60's. > When I was a young woman in the 60's we tried to > stop runs in our nylons > with transparent nail polish. Then production > techniques changed and runs > became unusual. But you could still get holes. > > > > .you danced with the lady with a hole in her > stockings. > > > > Joni's lyrics reflect changes in the textile > industry. > > > > Marion > ____________________________________________________________________________ _______ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:49:45 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Outdated references, etc. although a more contemporary reference would probably now be "no computers till Friday...." or "no emails till Friday"...On the other hand, "no phones" still works as well. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bryan Skickat: den 20 juni 2007 23:45 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Outdated references, etc. I have always interpreted "no phones 'til Friday" as meaning "I have no work/business scheduled until Friday, in the meantime I am free" (or something like that), not meant to be taken literally. Also, wouldn't NRH have been written in the late 80s or very early 90s (not the early 80s as mentioned)? And...the "while Muslims stick up Washington" reference really isn't outdated. It's an historical reference, which is something different altogether. Usually a lurker lately, Bryan From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Outdated References I always took this to mean that is when they were returning to the Mainland and their vacation time in Hawaii was to be over. Jerry >> Melissa in windy, rainy and cold Sydney wrote: >>>> > I was listening to the song "Night Ride Home" >> yesterday, and was amused by >> > the line "No phones till Friday". As this sing >> was written in the early >> 80s>> > and pre-dates the widespread use of mobile (or >> cell) phones, it got me >> > thinking about other Joni songs with outdated >> references. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 04:58:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Thursday morning what do you think is completely different in the brains of such creative people like Joni...multi-talented people, again like Joni...surely there has got to be some sort of neurological explanation. I think about this often. This is just morning ramblings....just returned from taking Beegie and Sammie for a half-hour walk....now other dogs are on their morning outings and my guys get flipped out. I'm gonna be a night walker. I have a vivid memory of the night a Philly radio station played (uninterrupted) "The Hissing of Summer Lawns". I was living in a building with 18 floors and I was on the 14Th at the time. I wanted to be alone. I sat down on the floor and hardly moved throughout the entire album. The big deal was that the album was due to be released that week. Each of Joni's albums are a marked departure from all others. It's as if she put a period on the last sentence of a chapter in her life and shares (just a little) of the next. I usually don't fall in a loving state with a new album. There's always one or two songs I want to hear again but it takes some time. But, of course, there's always Joni's voice...her lyrics. But each song has a personal complexity that I integrate into my world and translate the lyrics to fancy things that are going on within myself. In some ways I feel that Joni has been a shield for me. Or maybe she lends me a different coat each day with pockets filled with the armor each day requires. I've wondered why I'm so emotionally attached to Joni. She lives within me through her art, her music, the thoughts she has shared through interviews. I am in a constant state, even after all these years, of complete awe and respect for our gal. She is so multi-talented and touches multitudes of people in crystal delicate ways....deep within you, she's capable of gently rattling your cage or gently rocking you off to dreamland. I can't ...how can I put it..I can't ...shit...I can't explain it. Almost as though I can't let go of Joni...not that I can't and don't listen to other artists...of course I do. But I've never felt the same intensity that I feel when I listen or read Joni. She's a generous spirit with a need ...an urgent need for privacy. I'm rambling. Here's some 'other artist news'...I mentioned Ane Brun a long time ago. I finally picked up a copy of her only CD. Quite good, I think. She's been 'compared' with Joni...all of these comparisons make me feel ill. Inspired by...okay...but 'the new Joni Mitchell??? Uch!!!! Sherelle, this is for you...I don't remember reading what happened to you but I would imagine it was some sort of personal violence? This is what happened to me and how I saved my life. REHEARSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know I did!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was at my front door, shoulder bag on my right shoulder and packages in my left hand as I was anything but graceful trying to open the front door. I was living with Richard on this little tiny center city Philly street. I looked up toward my right and about a third up the block, turned in the exact opposite direction than me was a man. We sort of shared a three second stare. I didn't have a good feeling and wasn't anticipating a friendly 'hello'. This guy ran toward me....in leather shoes and I remember thinking, "that's stupid...he should have on sneakers". He gently touch the strap on my shoulder bag and I "introduced' myself in such a manner as even Satan wouldn't want to have coffee with me! And this guy actually puts a gun in my mouth! He said, "Come on, now." And I said, "ooohhhh baby, baby...I know something that resembles the shape of a gun that would feel so much better in my mouth." Then I threw my hands up and declared that I was living in the WILD WILD WEST and I shouted, "I surrender!" I mentioned, casually that I couldn't recognize him because I was looking down and thinking of (a bunch of his body parts)...then I said, "Whoops, gotta pee"..."Whoops, gotta poop"... as I gracefully lowered myself to the ground. I started singing...sooner than I expected he just grabbed my pocketbook and ran. He probably thought I would be too much trouble for the effort. I would have been the third woman he raped and killed that night. There's much more to this story but people...PLEASE REHEARSE!!!! Think about what you'd do in a similar situation and REHEARSE. You have to come off calm and authentic. Now you see...Joni would have come up with a fabulous song about that encounter. I have only bland sentences. I positioned my computer right in front of my bedroom window where I can see my little garden. It's quite lovely. Well....I'm wondering what today will bring...and hoping that today brings all of you something very dear and special. Love from Bo - --------------------------------- Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:21:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: SV: Outdated references, etc. I have to agree with Jerry. My take on NHR is that she had a great time in Hawaii, and she'd be returning on Friday........but as we all know, her lyrics are "what it means to the individual". Jimmy In a message dated 6/21/2007 8:00:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marionleffler@telia.com writes: > although a more contemporary reference would probably now be "no computers > till Friday...." or "no emails till Friday"...On the other hand, "no phones" > still works as well. > Marion > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 10:11:53 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite and meaningful 5 A sweet Dahli wrote: > I really love you loving people...I feel as though I know some of you so > very well....friends in my brain...contact through this computer. > Put your hands on the monitor screen now and chant with me: "we are stardust we are golden, we are stardust we are golden, we are stardust we are golden..." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:39:11 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE:I wonder what Joni sounded like at 6 years old? Laura, I saw her on TV last week and was amazed! I love this clip as it is her first attempt to move on to the next round and you could feel the energy in the audience as she sung it a cappella. She even has Joni's hairdo doesn't she? I would imagine that Joni sounded similar. There is a real passion for music and singing in this little girl and I could also hear strains of Eva Cassidy's vocal talent while she was singing. I'm so glad that they included some of Eva singing the same song. It brought tears to my eyes as well. Love, Sherelle Laura wrote: Listen to this little girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En0A8KGMgq8 _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:27:06 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Favorite and meaningful 5 In a message dated 6/21/2007 10:17:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LCStanley7@aol.com writes: Put your hands on the monitor screen now and chant with me: "we are stardust we are golden, we are stardust we are golden, we are stardust we are golden..." - ------------------------------------------------- A few days ago I drove past a sign that said, "Nature's Garden" and immediately the lyrics about getting "ourselves back to the garden" went round and round in my head. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 08:00:18 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: very interesting article on "The films of Joni Mitchell" http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2007/06/the_films_of_joni_mitchell_a_b.html A nice weekend to all of you! moni ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #186 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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