From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #184 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, June 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 184 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- More news on the Herbie Project [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #183 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: A Case of You, and a wedding too ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Outdated References ["Lori Fye" ] Outdated References [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Outdated References [Catherine McKay ] Re: Outdated References [Catherine McKay ] The Wall, and wedding songs ["Michel BYRNE" ] Re: Outdated References [Em ] Re: Outdated References ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Outdated References ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Outdated References [Gary Z ] Circle Game used in sports writing [Victor Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #183 Wow. Thanks for this, James. This looks very interesting. Mark in Sydney On 19/06/2007, at 5:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Herbie's New Joni Album ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:55:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: A Case of You, and a wedding too That's a beautiful song Victor and what a great choice for a wedding! I'm glad you had the chance to do a Joni song at such a wonderful and touching occassion. Which version of the song did you end up doing? I love Joni's version the best even though Dianna Krall does do a very good rendition of the song as well. I love the way Joni strums the guitar simply and beautifully off the beat. Love, Sherelle Victor wrote: I was playing a wedding gig last night, at the Bona Allen Mansion in Bufurd, and had the wonderful opportunity to play and sing "A Case of You" for the first dance. It was kind of an odd setup...I was playing in the grand room though she (the wedding coordinator) had me set up around the corner, kind of behind the edge of a wall that hung out, so I really did not have any view of the room...I was able to see just the edge. So when it came time to play "A Case of You, I couldn't even see the bride and groom dancing! But I thought it went really well...it was a fun song to sing as the words are so passionate. The bride told me when they first met, the groom had made her a mix tape of Joni Mitchell which is why they chose that particular song. She said she likes the Diana Krall version the best though he likes the Joni version the most. When my friend, a trumpet player, first mentioned this gig to me a month or so ago, I practically jumped at the opportunity. I love playing regardless, but getting to sing "A Case of You" made it even more enjoyable. Victor _________________________________________________________________ Like puzzles? Play free games & earn great prizes. Play Clink now. http://club.live.com/clink.aspx?icid=clink_hotmailtextlink2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:18:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: SJC (tiny, though...) Mostly Norwegian music Hi dear Oddmund, I had a chance to listen to Siri and I really like her. She does remind me of Joni both vocally and lyrically. I will listen to the other artist as soon as possible. Also thank you for including me in with her. I am truly honored. I would like to introduce you to a Norweigian artist that I have befriended through My Space in the past six months. His name is Ole Staveteig and he is one of the best guitarists I've ever heard in my life. Ole does a song called "Little Wing" that brings me to tears every time. I just absolutely love it! I would love for you to have a listen: http://www.myspace.com/olestaveteig Love, Sherelle Oddmund wrote: I have to add some music for you dear fellow-listers. Just recently being aware of the serch opportunity in myspace, I found one of my new favorites there. (Many thanks to the links that some of you have sent me here, the librarian (I know this is embarrassing) finally found out that it's possible to search for all kind of music... To my defence, I'm finnaly connecting to internet from my home pc, I can't dive into all the music I like while on work...) Siri Gjfre is a norwegian, some would call her Jazz singer, I don't know. Listenig to her latesy album "Survival kit" I would rathercall her life-singer (but I guess this may sound a bit pathetic), like Joni it's not easy to put her into a fixed box. I know she and her musican friends admire Jonis music. And for me it's easy to trace this admiration, even though no single track or her voice quality in any way quite resembles Joni, it's just the feeling, the flow, the taste. All of it. She is real. I like the thought about music being a survival kit. I think it has been that for me. In times that I've been really depressed music - albums - songs - or a single voice have been a great comfort for me. Last winter I had a period like that, and found grat comfort in both Joni's "Taming the tiger" as well as our own Sherelle Smith's "Do what you love" I think music can change your life, and in fact, music can make you live life. I guess some of you find this strong or offending, but it's true for me... I think of Joni, wnhen she worte A case of you. Such strong content. In an utterly elegant way she just puts it all in those two lines 'Cause part of you pours out of me In these lines from time to time... For me those lines has always been especially storng, but the whole song is so full of content, that my cuppeth runneth over... Well back to my thread, in popoular music today, well in norwegian popular music, we have the same issues like you have. Much music is just surface, and no content. When I listen to Siri Gjfres voice and her music, than I feel that she share some of her message to me, to all of humanity (parodon my strong word, this is definately a bit pathetic...) oh well, that just gives me hope, and hope is something I like to cherish and embrase, whenever found, especially when found in popular music. Norway has been blessed with several gifted Jazz-singers. Radka Toneff stands for many of us as some sort of queen, but new vopices like Solveig Slettahjell, Sirig Gjaere and Live Maria Roggen are also amazing. As well as the experimental and ever changing Sidsel Endresen, she is an experience...Well, we could talk about Martha We could talk about landscapes...And I guess I just could go on and on talking about norwegian music, but I won't, 'cause I guess you other things to put your mind into. And I don't want to cause any "Boring ! The old man is snoring" situation here...:-) But before I go I wil leave you with to links wort to check out: Siri Gjaere: * * http://www.myspace.com/sirigjaere Both songs here stands out, also on the grat album Survival kit. And since this is the JoniMitchellDiscussionList, and even though this is Mr. Bob Mueller's domain, I want to share the coolest Woodstock cover I know, by the band Tuba, consisting of Live Maria Roggen and her partner. Mr.Mueller has of course already added this to his great cover base, and I'm sure he can inform us in wich compilation it may be found, but for newbees or the corius ones, pleas check i out : *TUBA DUO:* http://www.myspace.com/tubaduo And song two "Woodstock" That's all for now, and I know this was long. So thansk for reading all the way to here !!! Best Oddmund, Norway _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:19:42 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Outdated References Hi all I was listening to the song "Night Ride Home" yesterday, and was amused by the line "No phones till Friday". As this sing was written in the early 80s and pre-dates the widespread use of mobile (or cell) phones, it got me thinking about other Joni songs with outdated references. Any suggestions? Melissa in windy, rainy and cold Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:03:50 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Outdated References Melissa in windy, rainy and cold Sydney wrote: > I was listening to the song "Night Ride Home" yesterday, and was amused by > the line "No phones till Friday". As this sing was written in the early 80s > and pre-dates the widespread use of mobile (or cell) phones, it got me > thinking about other Joni songs with outdated references. Any suggestions? Actually, that reference isn't so outdated, depending on where Joni goes for vacation. There are many places on the prairie where cell phone reception is still nearly non-existent. (I'm heading to such a place in about 2 weeks, that being Fortuna, North Dakota and Westby, Montana -- which are about 6 and 10 miles from Saskatchewan, respectively.) Nonetheless, you bring up a good point, Melissa! There are probably quite a few outdated references in some of Joni's older songs. Here are a couple that come to mind: "Tethered to a ringing telephone" .... a reference to the older phones that most of us now call "land lines" "You and me, we're like America and Russia We're always keeping score We're always balancing the power And that can get to be a cold cold war" ... although those countries may be heading toward a cold war again ... Others? Lori in cloudy and cool (for now) Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:49:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Outdated References What about the Marlboro Man? I don't pay any attention to cigarette ads so I don't know if that's outdated or not. Do they still have pay toilets? (Dry Cleaner From Des Moines). Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one. Bob NP: Ani, "Fuel" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 16:28:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Outdated References - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Melissa in windy, rainy and cold Sydney wrote: > > > I was listening to the song "Night Ride Home" > yesterday, and was amused by > > the line "No phones till Friday". As this sing > was written in the early > 80s > > and pre-dates the widespread use of mobile (or > cell) phones, it got me > > thinking about other Joni songs with outdated > references. Any > suggestions? > > Actually, that reference isn't so outdated, > depending on where Joni goes for > vacation. There are many places on the prairie > where cell phone reception > is still nearly non-existent. > There's also the deliberate - and liberating - choice to avoid phones, cell or otherwise. However, there are certainly other Joni references that are outdated, not that it diminishes from the song at all: - - You and me, we're like America and Russia... and that can get to be such a cold, cold war - - while Muslims stick up Washington (can be reinterpreted, I suppose, in the metaphorical sense - or maybe it's Washington sticking up Muslims now) There are more but those two come to mind without any extra effort on my part. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 17:16:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Outdated References I remember seeing pay toilets when we used to travel to the U.S. when I was a kid. It was probably on one of the thruways. There were toilets that you didn't have to pay for, and others that you did have to pay for. The pay ones were always much better maintained. And I remember seeing pay toilets in France at the train station - I think you paid one price for Number 1 and another for Number 2! What if you weren't sure when you went in? Maybe it was a Euro for the urinal vs 2 for the stall with the door. And you could take a shower for 3 Euro or so. Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote:Do they still have pay toilets? (Dry Cleaner From Des Moines). Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one. Bob NP: Ani, "Fuel" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------- Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:54 +0000 From: "Michel BYRNE" Subject: The Wall, and wedding songs Thanks for the info Mark. Berlin was an inspired choice of venue, no doubt about it. Will need to give the Wall a good listen - dont know it well at all, but have always liked the few songs I heard from it. Re inappropriate wedding songs, Sean Nelson in his small study of Court & Spark notes hearing Help Me played 'as a serenade to the happy couple', and thinking 'WHAT are you thinking? This would be more appropriate at a divorce! Cant you hear the words?!', but then seeing the happy reactions all round, he concludes: 'Such is the eternal power of a hit song - it can mean what it says, and it can mean the exact opposite of what it says'. _________________________________________________________________ Win tickets to the sold out Live Earth concert! http://liveearth.uk.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Outdated References seems I remember pay toilets in an airport, in the 80's. Cost a dime, as I recall. Cruel and unusual, I say. But then the 80's were cruel and unusual in so many respects. But fine and dandy in others. OK here's my outdated reference: I had a king dressed in "drip-dry and paisley". hmmmm... I'll take the paisley anyday, but "drip-dry"? Haven't heard that in a while. Or? :) Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > I remember seeing pay toilets when we used to travel to the U.S. when > I was a kid. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 15:11:36 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Outdated References "Hey farmer farmer Put away that DDT now" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 18:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Outdated References I always took this to mean that is when they were returning to the Mainland and their vacation time in Hawaii was to be over. Jerry >> Melissa in windy, rainy and cold Sydney wrote: >> >> > I was listening to the song "Night Ride Home" >> yesterday, and was amused by >> > the line "No phones till Friday". As this sing >> was written in the early >> 80s >> > and pre-dates the widespread use of mobile (or >> cell) phones, it got me >> > thinking about other Joni songs with outdated >> references. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:00:26 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Outdated References Here's one I think of: "I saw a falling star burn up, just above the Las Vegas Sands" Now I'd have to check the songbook because I'm not sure if "Sands" should be capitalized, but regardless, I always took it to mean the Sands Hotel, which I understand no longer exists....(haven't been to Las Vegas in a lonnnnng time, but I did stay at the Sands Hotel once ). Does anyone else interpret the lyric this way? What are your thoughts? Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 19:32:33 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Circle Game used in sports writing I never imagined I would see "Circle Game" used in a sports article but this writer in Melbourne used it to describe a football team that kept screwing up over and over, and playing badly, exactly like they had the year before...an interesting use of the song. From Demonland, the unofficial home of the Melbourne Demons by Whispering Jack May 29, 2007 "We're captive on the carousel of time We can't return, we can only look behind From where we came And go round and round and round In the circle game." Joni Mitchell - The Circle Game The first hour and three quarters of Sunday's Melbourne v Kangaroos game at the MCG evoked memories of the message contained in the supple chorus of this classic folk song written in another generation by a singer/songwriter who would be unknown to good many of those in the crowd. That however, did not prevent me from wondering how was it possible that this young Canadian woman, writing in the 1960's (and in all probability breathing in the smoky fog-like mist that was so reminiscent of the times) could have so accurately predicted how the Demons would play out the first three quarters of a game of football some forty years in the future? What's that you say - can't understand what I'm talking about? Well, if that's the case, then you didn't live through the sixties and you probably weren't at the game on Sunday either. It was simply apalling what the Melbourne team was able to do on the football field while playing the Circle Game. It wasn't as if the Kangaroos were any good either, because they weren't (any good). It was just that while Melbourne fiddled around with the football, playing on when they should have gone back for a kick, taking their time when they should have been playing on, handballing at the feet of players who weren't moving or expecting to receive the handball or just plain stuffing things up. The skipper started it when his opening shot for goal from the Andrew Swallow flank went right across the goals and out of bounds. Travis Johnstone's snap hit the post before Robbo showed how it was done and then Nathan Jones ran into goal but missed. After ten minutes on top, the Demons allowed two easy goals to Corey Jones (one from a stupid free) and within thirty seconds, the lead had evaporated. There was a momentary respite when what looked to be a Robbo miskick found the skipper for a goal but then the Kangaroos' more direct play gave them a handy little lead at quarter time. The second quarter belonged to Shannon Grant who for some strange reason was being looked after by Brad Green and the umpires. His four goals for the quarter was more than the difference between the teams. Melbourne was as ragged as it has possibly ever been - its players running around in circles, giving away needless free kicks by failing to recognise the umpring trend (which was to ping the bloke at the bottom of the pack for holding the ball every time). I seem to remember it was at some stage in this quarter that Jess Sinclair got hold of the footy in the centre of the ground and he did something incredible. He sunk the boot into it and it landed on a pack within ten to fifteen metres from goal. Grant snaffled up the loose ball and goaled. You would have thought that the Demon players might have taken the hint from that example but it was not to be the case. They just kept going round and round and round. Thankfully, a late goal on the half time siren to Robbo gave the supporters some heart as they marched off to play their own circle game looking for a place where they could by some pies and chips without having to mortgage the house in the process. After the break it was more of the same but it was even worse because both sides were now infested with the fuglies. They say that your ineptitude can rub off on others around you and, in the case of this game, it certainly did that with the Kangaroos developing the kicking yips; it was only Grant's fifth goal that kept the crowd awake. That and some strong defensive play from Nathan Carroll who was great taking some strong contested marks but somewhat lackadaisical with his kicking. Surely he hadn't been breathing Joni Mitchell's air? During the three quarter time break I sensed that certain Demon fans were already deserting the ground but I turned to my neighbour rather unconvincingly told him that "we can still win this if we stop going around in circles and start playing a bit more direct." He nodded in agreement but, when the Roos kicked the first goal of the quarter, I felt my optimisism might have lacked some credibility in his eyes. I would have asked him if that was the case but, by the time I thought of it he had already left the ground clutching his return train ticket in his hands and muttering swear words below his breath no doubt. I suppose that it was just then that the carousel turned and Melbourne forgot about the run and carry and tempo and shmempo and started playing football just like it was doing at this time last year and, in the space of a quarter of an hour, it had seemingly turned its season on its head with seven unanswered goals. A lead of six points with time running out and the Kangaroos appearing to be out of puff. One more foray into the forward line would have done it. A single point could possibly have been enough but it wasn't to be. A few years ago, Andrew Swallow was considered a likely first round draft selection until the recruiting community decided he couldn't kick if his life depended on it. The Kangaroos took him in the forties and the kid who supposedly couldn't kick managed to sink the ball with the exact pinpoint accuracy and over the precise distance required to clear the goals by a poofteenth before it was touched by Nathan Carrolls outstretched fingers. That was enough to deprive Melbourne of its first victory of the season. After the game, coach Neale Daniher lamented the fact that his team was unable to keep possession on the last point kick-in when there was a little over a minute or so to go before the siren. The Reverend was trying to be poetic and philosophical after the game when he said, "Footy sucks sometimes." It sure does, but he should leave the poetic stuff to experts like Joni Mitchell, forget about the Circle Game and concentrate on getting his team to play as it did in that final quarter throughout every game and during every week. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:26:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Outdated References In a message dated 6/19/2007 3:53:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: Do they still have pay toilets? (Dry Cleaner From Des Moines). Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen one. - ---------------------------------------------------- Hmm, about 10 years ago or so, a friend of mine at the time went to Germany and came back complaining about the pay toilets. You'd always better have some change on you then! - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:30:53 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Circle Game used in sports writing Wow, who would have thought!?! Joni Mitchell and sports colliding..... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #184 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)