From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #178 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, June 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 178 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery [missblux] Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:02:56 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: This is a rant about Rousseau, Joni, O'keefe and erotic imagery Speaking of Rousseau, looking at his paintings with Joni's artwork in mind makes me see both of them in a different light. The strong colours and the naive contrasts... It's the same thing with Van Gogh. But the reason I write this is that a friend of mine showed me a book about Georgia O'Keefe. Wow! I must have seen some of her art on posters but probably just thought they were tacky. But her paintings are so stunning and intriguing (I mean look at thishttp://www.artst.org/okeefe/ !!! ) - and again, I see some kind of dialogue and relatedness between Joni and her, which makes me appreciate her art in a new way. One difference between her and O'keefe is that O'Keefe's paintings are erotic in a way I don't think you'd find with Joni, or have I just not seen it or heard it...? I remember Mark (I think) once interpreted some verse, I don't remember of which song, as Joni portraying her own vagina... I didn't know the song and thought this interpretation was a bit far-fetched, since I never found Jonis music particularly full of erotic imagery... But I wonder what everyone else thinks? I have to say that Joni's paintings are so full of colours of a kind that I would not associate with her music. But am beginning to wonder if I am missing a dimension. Bene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:18:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! Catherine queried: "OK, is a stamp worth more if it IS cancelled or if it isn't?" Oh, boy. I've been set up, like a bowling pin! In a case of Joni, I daresay it's more valuable if it's revoked but not yet cancelled. Tee hee heee!!!! This is very exciting Joni news! "She's hit the big time!" And here I was yesterday, on digest, blathering away about trivialites like the war in Iraq and saving the planet, while something *really* important is happening in Jonimitchellville. This makes me remember the headful of quandary I had a few years ago in the Mansfield Post Office. I needed a 60 cent stamp and the nice clerk offered me two choices: a map of Canada, or a picture of Amelia. How to decide? I explained my dilemna to him and he was actually respectful and open. I asked him he knew and/or liked Joni and he said: "Sure. She's cool." (or something positive like that). I think I went with the Amelia stamp. Have a good day, everyjonibody! Love, Patti P. P.S. HAPPY DAY-AFTER-YOUR-BIRTHDAY, BREE! xxoxoxo P.S.S. Great scoop, Bob. You are Joni-on-the-spot. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail to go? Get your Hotmail, news, sports and much more! http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:04:50 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! In a message dated 6/12/2007 1:22:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com writes: It would be cool if they did several different ones spanning her career, like they did with Elvis. We could vote on "straight-hair" or "perm" Joni! - ------------------------------------------------------- I'd vote on the "straight-hair" Joni then! - -Monika NP: Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me- the Roger Daltrey cover... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:08:43 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi Thea, I'm glad you are enjoying the thread! When you talk about "The Jungle Line" you just have to put it on don't you? I heartily agree with what you say about Joni's voice being both divine and sinister at the same time. That is so cool! I also love the story about your family friend growing poppies just for the beauty of the flowers. Glad to hear your boyfriend was blown away too! Sherelle Thea wrote: I must say, I am really enjoying this discussion of Rousseau and Jungle Line, though coming into it a bit late. Jungle Line is one of my favorites, and like Jack, I remember it being the first song on THOSL that I really loved. Then, of course, came the day when I listened and finally 'got' the whole album...I still don't know what changed. There is definitely something about the interaction of the guitar, drums, synth, and Joni's voice on Jungle Line that is both divine and weird in a sort of sinister way. I get what you're saying, Monika, about it being "ugly" in a deliberate way. Maybe creepy is a better word...certainly dark. It's jarring, and so are the lyrics. One of my favorite parts: There's a poppy wreath on a soldier's tomb there's a poppy snake in a dressing room Poppy poison, poppy tourniquet It slithers away on brass like mouthpiece spit I love how Joni lays out all of those images, with that duality and such vivid pictures - Rousseau-like, indeed. Also reminds me of a family friend who used to grow opium poppies in her yard simply for the beauty of the flowers. The authorities weren't too happy, but god! those blossoms were gorgeous! And maybe all the more so because of the darkness/poison behind the flowers. I made my boyfriend listen to Jungle Line on a train home once, and he was blown away, without having any context for the song. Many subsequent hours were spent in my room, listening to the entire album. I'll make a Joni fan out of him yet! It's a powerful song. Peace, Thea, up late in California with golden poppies outside her door, a different sort entirely! But still beautiful. NPIMH: what else but the Jungle Line? _________________________________________________________________ Play games, earn tickets, get cool prizes. Play nowit's FREE! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:18:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... Hi Warren, Well see, that's where I get a little confused. She starts the song "Rousseau walks on trumpet paths" and then there are the lines, "In a low cut blouse she brings a beer...Rousseau paints a jungle flower behind her ear..." and "with his hard edged eye and steady hands...he paints a cellar full of ferns and orchid vines...and hangs a moon above a five piece band...hangs it up above...The Jungle Line...". I can't help but think that she is referring to Rousseau in these lines. I see what you're saying about the song being about heroin, the plight of the black race (which she explores again in "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat") and Jazz music. I clearly hear these references but was not sure if they were images in paintings Rousseau once created or what. I agree with you though that the song is truly a wonderfu marriage of image and sound. I think that's why I like it so much as well. Sherelle Warren wrote: Nobody has said anything about the lyrics, what about the lyrics? I don't think the song is about Rousseau at all. Joni is only using him to set the mood. I think the adjectives flying around are dead on. I mean the lyrics are talking about the plight of the black race, jazz music, and heroin! I have always loved this song, it is the perfect marriage of images and sound. A little bit scary...but fun! Jonily yours, Warren Keith _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:36:40 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... >From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com >Reply-To: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Rousseau walks on trumpet paths... >Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 17:19:10 EDT > >Nobody has said anything about the lyrics, what about the lyrics? I don't >think the song is about Rousseau at all. Joni is only using him to set the >mood. I don't know... Rousseau did create paintings with jungle scenes... What I'd like to know is, could there be any connection with Jean Jaques Rousseau in the song? maybe Joni was reffering to both Rousseaus'? _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:25:48 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc From: "Em" > Big Love is back! and WEEDS starts again in August. > Hey Randy, did you ever watch Carnivale at all? > I'm getting into it big time. Need them to start season 2 on demand. > El weird-ohhhhhhhhhh! good chit. Carnivale was far and away my favorite of all those cable series-I was disappointed that they cancelled it, leaving it unresolved. Didja notice the promo right before the last Sopranos-they showed the little guy/ carnival boss in the montage...(forget his name now) Looking forward to Weeds in August, too. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:42:11 +0100 From: joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk Subject: re: stamps of many countries when can we order the Joni stamp.they do not seem to be available to order online as yet. Does "offsales" date of 28 june mean that is when they will be available to order online first? will they send to buyers,like me,outside of Canada does anybody know? info please as and when available. Thanks. Regards, joe. - ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:42:12 +0100 From: joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk Subject: re: stamps of many countries when can we order the Joni stamp.they do not seem to be available to order online as yet. Does "offsales" date of 28 june mean that is when they will be available to order online first? will they send to buyers,like me,outside of Canada does anybody know? info please as and when available. Thanks. Regards, joe. - ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:42:12 +0100 From: joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk Subject: re: stamps of many countries when can we order the Joni stamp.they do not seem to be available to order online as yet. Does "offsales" date of 28 june mean that is when they will be available to order online first? will they send to buyers,like me,outside of Canada does anybody know? info please as and when available. Thanks. Regards, joe. - ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:46:22 +0100 From: joe.farrell@ukonline.co.uk Subject: re:stamps of many countries my last message was sent about three times by mistake. i'm sorry. though it does reflect my keeness to acquire these stamps. joe. - ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:09:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc now Carnivale - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Carnivale was far and away my favorite of all those > cable series-I was disappointed that they cancelled > it, leaving it unresolved. I never watched the Sopranos but we watched Carnivale on DVD. I thought the ending was a bit of a cop-out. Yeah, so they leave you with the Rev whatzizname not really being dead after all. That kind of stuff happens all the time in horror or supernatural-type movies. But what would/could possibly happen next that wouldn't simply be a rehash of the same stuff that had already happened in the first and second seasons? I loved the first season, but got a bit tired of it about halfway through the second season. Sometimes it's best to quit when you're ahead. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:47:55 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Stamps of many countries - and Joni's on one! I'm afraid the booklet of 8 stamps will include only two Joni plus two Gord Lightfoot, two Ann Murray, and two Paul Anka. We might have to find some Gord, Ann and Paul fans to trade with. Image of the stamp is here: http://www.canadapost.ca/business/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/default-e.asp?prid=1229 http://www.canadapost.ca/corporate/about/newsroom/pr/bin/joni_mitchell-e.pdf Doug Is it just me, or has email gone wonky the last day or two? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc now Carnivale - --- Randy Remote wrote: > They really had me hooked with the cliffhanger, > building > up to a showdown between Hawkins and Brother Justin. > > Apparently they had six seasons planned. I guess the > show > was a little too deep and offbeat and weird for most > people. > More interesting than Sopranos IMO, it's always > easy to get people's attention with random violence. > In > a lot of ways Sopranos, Departed et al are > continuations > of the gangster franchise that started with The > Godfather. > Not to say they are not well acted/directed/written, > just > that it's an easy bit of pimping. > RR > Carnivale was definitely unique. There were a lot of unanswered questions, but often the answers to those questions prove disappointing. Or maybe I've just got a really short attention span. I was never interested in watching the Sopranos. In the beginning we didn't get the channel it was on. I'm not sure if we have HBO here or not. It was probably on some other pay-per-view type of station that we didn't have. We might even have it now, because I signed up for satellite a few years ago. But I have no idea what stations we actually have and which we don't. How pathetic is that? Why am I paying for this? I could probably get by with basic cable, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. Often it's just the same stuff on a bunch of channels but there's the time-shifting option of watching the Vancouver or Edmonton station if I missed something on the Toronto one. I've heard it's good, but I'm not really interested in watching something about gangsters. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:55:32 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Last Sopranos (spoiler) sort of a little jc now Carnivale > But what would/could possibly happen next that > wouldn't simply be a rehash of the same stuff that had > already happened in the first and second seasons? I > loved the first season, but got a bit tired of it > about halfway through the second season. Sometimes > it's best to quit when you're ahead. > They really had me hooked with the cliffhanger, building up to a showdown between Hawkins and Brother Justin. Apparently they had six seasons planned. I guess the show was a little too deep and offbeat and weird for most people. More interesting than Sopranos IMO, it's always easy to get people's attention with random violence. In a lot of ways Sopranos, Departed et al are continuations of the gangster franchise that started with The Godfather. Not to say they are not well acted/directed/written, just that it's an easy bit of pimping. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:21:54 -0400 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Joni versus The Who Just wondering if anyone else has ever confused (or at least noticed a similarity between) the opening piano of The Who's Love Reign O'er Me with the opening piano part of Court and Spark? I've never played them back to back, so I'm sure how alike they actually are, but every time I hear Love Reign O'er Me on the radio (which is surprisingly often), for a few seconds there I think I might be treated to Court and Spark. Weird, considering how different the songs really are. Jack ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:34:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni versus The Who In a message dated 6/13/2007 7:28:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, merk54@aol.com writes: Just wondering if anyone else has ever confused (or at least noticed a similarity between) the opening piano of The Who's Love Reign O'er Me with the opening piano part of Court and Spark? - ----------------------- You know, I love both songs but have never noticed that. Now that you mention it I'm going to play both of the songs tonight to compare. Let me get back to you! I will say there is some very nice piano on both tracks. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:48:22 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Joni versus The Who No, but I've always been confused with the cover of Blue and 'Frampton Comes Alive' heh much Joni Jamie Zoob On 14/06/07, merk54@aol.com wrote: > Just wondering if anyone else has ever confused (or at least noticed a similarity between) the opening piano of The Who's Love Reign O'er Me with the opening piano part of Court and Spark? > > I've never played them back to back, so I'm sure how alike they actually are, but every time I hear Love Reign O'er Me on the radio (which is surprisingly often), for a few seconds there I think I might be treated to Court and Spark. > > Weird, considering how different the songs really are. > > Jack > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #178 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)