From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #172 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 172 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Happy Z Day! ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Happy Z Day! [Catherine McKay ] Re: SJC (long) tears, and fears and feeling proud.... [missblux@googlemai] Cherokee Louise cover (YES! Joni Content! For once!) [missblux@googlemail] Joni template for good song [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni template for good song [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni template for good song [waytoblue@comcast.net] Re: Joni template for good song [Dave Blackburn ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:29:56 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Happy Z Day! Sweet gary. . . HaPpiest hiPpiest birthday to you. . . the start of a new year. . . all the love / / and happiness . . . that can be found, sweet one. . beautiful post patti. . . . . for a beautfiul person .. . . who. . . I am fortunate to have as my friend. XXXXOOOOO{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ Gary }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}OOOOOXXXX hugs and kisses lOve - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Sherelle Smith" To: loveuconn@hotmail.com, joni@smoe.org, treegreen1@hotmail.com, maymoe@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: njc, Happy Z Day! Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:44:48 +0000 Oh what a wonderful day then!!!! Happy, Happy birthday dear friend! You are forever in my heart and I am so blessed to know you dear Gary!!!! Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: >Some say it's D-Day, > >but * I * say it's > >Z - Day! > >Yes, it is Gary Z's birthday! > >I came upon this child of God >He was walking along the road >And he asked me if I liked Laura Nyro >And this he told me >"I love Laura Nyro as much as Joni." > >This he told me when we first met, standing on a noisy corner waiting for >the walking green, the day after the Joni Tribute at Carnegie Hall as we >were on our way to a French Barangrill with Cassy, Donna B & Sherelle and >my friend Mary, past the boutiques and the swingin' hot spots. My >first-ever lunch with ALL Joni people! Finally, a table laden high with >people who speak my language! Big hug to you guys! > >Gary and I have been (wild things run) fast friends ever since we broke >French bread together that day (actually, we broke men....lol.....we all >had croque monsieurs while Gary had -- I kid you not -- >scrambled eggs! You coyote, you!). > >So dear Gary, this post's for you. I hope you don't mind, I hope you don't >mind, that I put into words, how wonderful life is with you in the world. >I send you beams of love light with my ONOCHORD flashlight and visions of >ice cream castles in the air and peridots and periwinkles and Pez >dispensers galore and a bowl of oranges, too. Oh yeah, and lovely >landscapes to discover, too. Anything your heart desires. > >So here's to you >May your dreams come true >May old father time >Never be unkind >And through the years >Save your smiles and your tears >They're just souvenirs >They'll make music in your heart >Remember this >Each new day is a kiss >Sent from up above >With an angel's love >So here's to you >May your skies be blue >And your love blessed >That's my best to you > >Love, > >Patti P. > >P.S. Uh oh! A song just popped into my head for Gary. For anyone who is >grouchy today, pardon the silliness. Spoiler alert or whatever. Just >throwing the lightness on these things! > >Humidity is rising - Barometer's getting low > >According to all sources, the street's the place to go > >Cause tonight for the first time > >Just about half-past ten > >For the first time in history > >It's gonna start raining > >PEZ! > >It's Raining Pez! >Hallelujah! - It's Raining Pez! >Amen! >It's Raining Pez! >Hallelujah! - It's Raining Pez! > >_________________________________________________________________ >Picture this  share your photos and you could win big! >http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 _________________________________________________________________ Get a preview of Live Earth, the hottest event this summer - only on MSN http://liveearth.msn.com?source=msntaglineliveearthhm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 08:01:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Z Day! Gary Zed, Gary Zee, I hope you had a great BD! Love, Catherine. - --- Marianne Rizzo wrote: > Sweet gary. . . > > HaPpiest hiPpiest birthday to you. . . > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 16:31:40 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: SJC (long) tears, and fears and feeling proud.... Hey Kaere Oddmund! Ha! I had overlooked the new covers - am listening to Holly Brooks right now. She really is good - I like the way she is close to the original and but still makes it her won. I think, however, that the last time I got really carried away by a Joni cover was that Cindy Lauper version of Carey. I suggested some time ago that we should have some sort of poll that showed our favourite covers, that was really because I thought somewhere on the web site there should be a pointer to this song and others of the same caliber. Oh and thanks for aaaallllll the kind words! Its funny because I wrote something that hinted at seeing things from both sides now, and wanted to add - but I still haven't got a clue about anything! But then that IS what the song says isn't it.... Its still life's illusions... and so on. Funny that they changed the title of that Joni program. 'Kvinde af hjerte og sind' doesn't sound that bad to me! I still need to watch it.... When I get home! My new mantra... You take good care up there, on our northernmost outpost...! (ah and thanks for the link to the chieftains' cd!) Bene NP James taylor River... simple but comforting. Doesn't sound hard to handle, let alone selfish or sad. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:16:51 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Cherokee Louise cover (YES! Joni Content! For once!) Hey am having a jmdl afternoon here - and am proud to have just discovered a NEW COVER of Cherokee Louise! I like the arrangement, but find that the the singing sounds like she gave herself two minutes to sing the song but realises along the way that it is not going to be enough... Anyway, here goes: http://www.maiken.dk/music/ I read somewhere that 'Maiken Ingvordsen is Lolland's Joni Mitchell'. Lolland is an island in Southern Denmark. Bene ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 17:34:01 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni template for good song Man I hope noone feels inundated by my emails today, I don't know how to stop! It has been too long! Anyway, I wanted to ask: Dave says Joni's songs are the template for a perfect song. I'd be interested in knowing how you would define that? What are the prerequisites...? What do Joni's songs have that others don't...? Best, and finally enough from here, Bene Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:51:35 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: First Joni Album Like many of you I heard C&S first as it was owned by my first love Mandy in 1975 when I was 16 and she would sing along with it. I was enchanted by the album and Mandy. When we broke up I asked her to put on Trouble Child as it seemed a fitting closer. Then I was loaned FTR and absorbed every note through a million listenings. It's still up there in my top two with Hejira. But the first Joni I actually owned was HOSL which my mom read a review of the week it was released and gave it to me for my birthday. I was intrigued by it but didn't love it for a while as I was preoccupied with jazz fusion bands who could play fast complicated stuff, which is what I thought was cool as an emerging drummer. As the years piled on and my tastes mellowed and I learned about my own songwriting it became obvious that Joni was the template for how to write a perfect song. And here we are today about to do another full-on Joni concert, opening with a choral S&L in all its HOSL wierdness (not the gospel type arrangement the Persuasions did). Dave B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 12:55:34 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni template for good song In a message dated 6/7/2007 12:37:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, missblux@googlemail.com writes: Anyway, I wanted to ask: Dave says Joni's songs are the template for a perfect song. I'd be interested in knowing how you would define that? What are the prerequisites...? What do Joni's songs have that others don't...? - ------------------------------------------------------------------ Oooh those are good questions! Joni's obviously very inspiring to songwriters everywhere! What about Joni's music in particular hits the mark with all those aspiring writers playing their own songs in local clubs as well as those who have record deals? I mean, it's quite extraordinary. Just here on this list a couple of people have said that Joni inspired them to write their own songs....and others....say she is an influence (myself included!) just in general. - -M ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 16:53:00 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Joni template for good song -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: missblux@googlemail.com > Man I hope noone feels inundated by my emails today, I don't know how > to stop! It has been too long! Keep writing! > Anyway, I wanted to ask: Dave says Joni's songs are the template for a > perfect song. I'd be interested in knowing how you would define that? > What are the prerequisites...? What do Joni's songs have that others > don't...? I don't think its that other don't- Joni is one of many, but her songs are great for sure! I think much of what makes a song perfect is intangible. It almost seems easier to describe what makes a bad song bad. Victor, with time to kill in Tampa Bay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 09:54:03 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: Joni template for good song Well of course the "perfect song" is pretty subjective. I guess what I meant was that the elements I try to incorporate in my writing are things that Joni appeared to do so effortlessly: beautiful melodies, unexpected twists and turns in the chord progression to avoid cliched patterns, intriguing lyrics that captured a fresh perspective or insight within the rather tight confines of a 4 minute song, cool instrumentation and arrangements that married themselves to the substance of the song instead of being just painted over it etc. Other songwriters manage to capture some of these qualities some of the time. Joni's average was more like: almost all of them almost all of the time. Also she never stuck to one formula which many songwriters, having found one that works, tend to do. She really did reinvent her own wheel with each era of her career, the mark of a true creative mind surely (and the bane of a record company sales department!) Thanks Bene for your (private) update on the way things are going in Denmark; it's sad to hear that things seem to be regressing everywhere. I guess the grass isn't that much greener... Dave On Jun 7, 2007, at 9:34 AM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Man I hope noone feels inundated by my emails today, I don't know how > to stop! It has been too long! > > Anyway, I wanted to ask: Dave says Joni's songs are the template for a > perfect song. I'd be interested in knowing how you would define that? > What are the prerequisites...? What do Joni's songs have that others > don't...? > > Best, and finally enough from here, > > Bene > > Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 06:51:35 -0700 > From: Dave Blackburn > Subject: First Joni Album > > Like many of you I heard C&S first as it was owned by my first love > Mandy in 1975 when I was 16 and she would sing along with it. I was > enchanted by the album and Mandy. When we broke up I asked her to put > on Trouble Child as it seemed a fitting closer. Then I was loaned FTR > and absorbed every note through a million listenings. It's still up > there in my top two with Hejira. But the first Joni I actually owned > was HOSL which my mom read a review of the week it was released and > gave it to me for my birthday. I was intrigued by it but didn't love > it for a while as I was preoccupied with jazz fusion bands who could > play fast complicated stuff, which is what I thought was cool as an > emerging drummer. As the years piled on and my tastes mellowed and I > learned about my own songwriting it became obvious that Joni was the > template for how to write a perfect song. And here we are today about > to do another full-on Joni concert, opening with a choral S&L in all > its HOSL wierdness (not the gospel type arrangement the Persuasions > did). > > Dave B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 13:31:21 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise cover (YES! Joni Content! For once!) Way cool - thanks Bene, I've already added it into our ever-burgeoning database. 2007 is turning into a KILLER year for Joni covers. And I love the fact that the Euros typically think outside the Hits box when they make their choices. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Untitled Track" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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My question here, is what songs has Joni performed live in her later career that were recorded in her early career? (Does that make sense??) I noticed reading many reviews from more recent shows (and seeing some footage here and there), Joni tends to stick to whatever her newer material is at that point (with a couple older ones--usually more obscure rather than the "hits"). Which I think, is a terrific and brave feat. Something that many artists, especially ones who have been around for decades, tend to not even try. It's another reason why I like and respect Joni so much. She always treads new paths! I think you ought to please yourself while attempting to please the audience. I mean, if you're playing songs you've played a million times just to please the audience, you lose a part of yourself in that how much can you offer or more or less how much do you want to offer? You've got to keep fresh and stay alive man! Joni does that! Anyhow, as I was saying before I distracted myself and probably you with endless compliments thrown Joni's way, I've seen she likes to perform a couple songs from Hejira (the title song being one), and will play Woodstock or Big Yellow Taxi in which it seems audiences really like. What other songs have you personally seen her play or have read/known her to play? I am just curious.....as I've been reading up a bit here on her more recent performances..... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 23:45:38 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: SJC Favorite guitarists? (very long sheesh) Hey there folks. I think I made a post on the list before asking who your favorite songwriters and singers were. Well, now is the time for the guitarists to get some spotlight! The ax is not all for show. So who are your favorite guitarists? Feel free to explain if you'd like! My favorite guitarists: (I appreciate a unique style more than flash. The guitar playing that makes me cringe most is all that "shredding" where the guitar loses its melody and sounds God awful to my ears. Playing fast doesn't make you a good player. That turns me off when I see a guitarist showing off, losing rhythm---hence why I don't like Edddie Van Halen.) - -Eric Clapton: He's probably my absolute favorite guitarist. He has been for years now. I won't lie to you though. I most likely appreciate his guitar work more than some of his material. I've got a couple Clapton albums that I haven't listened to since I first bought them. His solo work is spotty but the man could play for hours and I'd be entranced. He's always got that blues edge on him whether he's playing straight blues, rock-n-roll, acid rock (think Cream and all of the different sounds he got then), or even his soft rock. - -Neil Young: Ah yes, I am a Neil girl. Neil has one of the most unique styles, not to mention sounds of any guitar player. He's one of the few that you can recognize right away. You can hear a couple notes and know that's Neil. I wonder how he gets that sound man! This is the man who inspired me to get a Fender Deluxe amp....and of course ironically, all I play now is electric acoustic (but still using that amp!). - -George Harrison: Another musician who I really love and a guitarist who is truly underrated. He has such a tasteful approach when it comes to his playing. He looks more for melody and beauty than "60 notes in 10 seconds." Plus, he plays a mean slide guitar! But seriously, George has got to be one of the most melodic guitarists ever. Just listen to "Something" by the Beatles. The guitar work is stunning. He doesn't overpower songs--he adds another layer to them. A lot of guitarists ought to learn how to do that. - -David Gilmour: I'd call him underrated as well. I think the whole image of Pink Floyd (and all the drug associations) sometimes overshadows his playing (and Floyd's work in general). It really is very ethereal. He's got such a smooth, clean, crisp tone. He knows when to stretch the note...when to just let it ring. - -Jimi Hendrix: Do I really have to explain this one? He was such an innovator! And to those who try to refuse his talent by saying he was "sloppy" and so forth...well all I can say to them is that they are in denial. - -Joni Mitchell: Oh, I've got to mention her. The more I listen to her (and the more I see live performances of hers on DVD or whatever) the more I truly appreciate her guitar playing. I said I like unique guitar players and she is one the most unique I have ever heard. I love her different tunings she uses (it opens up a new door with endless musical possibilities), her unusual chord progressions, and most of all.....what I've been really enjoying lately....is her guitar "slapping." It provides such a rhythm in her playing! Like Neil, when you hear the first few notes or chords, you know that's Joni playing. Now this is true! Right after I got Blue and C&S, I was still working at the Rock& Roll Hall of Fame when I heard the opening progression to "Chelsea Morning" (I had only heard those two albums at this point) playing in the museum. Right away I thought, "this is Joni Mitchell" and to my delight as the vocals began I was proven right. And that was just two albums in! Talk about a style entirely her own! Honorable mentions (as I'm tired of writing out such long responses to why I like them): Stevie Ray Vaughan, B.B. King (love those blues men!), Stephen Stills, Pete Townshend, pretty much any of those blues guys in general, Chuck Berry, Eddie Cochran, Buddy Holly, any 6 year olds learning to play guitar as I write this now..... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 22:33:45 -0700 From: Subject: Great guitair (nkc) Of course, Clapton and Jimi Hendrix and Personal favorites: Joni, Stephen Stills, Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Casady, Larry Carlton, Richie Havens, Roger McGuinn, Mick Taylor, Jimmy Page, Jeff Beck, Eric Johnson, Richard Thompson, Mike Bloomfield, Dickey Betts, Pat Metheny, Russ Freeman, Tuck Andress, and Kaki King is a force to be reckoned with ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #172 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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