From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #161 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, May 28 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 161 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Have you seen this? ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni, a female artist ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Non Joni Related - Preservatiiom Hall Jazz Band on Regis and Kelly? [] Re: The way I see it- my review on A tribute to Joni Mitchell [missblux@g] Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? ["Allison Crowe Music Mgmt] Joni Tribute album in NYT [Joseph Palis ] Re: Non Joni Related - Preservatiiom Hall Jazz Band on Regis and Kelly? ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: hate, hate,hate [Motitan@aol.com] Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content ["Patti Parlette" ] re: Joni Hates? ["Christopher Treacy" ] re: Joni Hates? ["Christopher Treacy" ] Calling London UK [Michael Paz ] Jazz vocalists hear & now cd? [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 00:26:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Have you seen this? They all did/do. I friend of mine who has been a stand up & comedic writer all his life, told me this story- when he met Jerry Seinfeld backstage many moons ago has Jerry's star was rising, he asked him how he was able to creat a successful career w/o using profanity to which Jerry replied "I have no F...ing idea" >Lots of comedians at that time swore a lot. Just think of them...Richard Pryor, Lily Tomlin, even Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy used that kind of language in their stand up. It's what made them "edgy" and "risque".< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:40:41 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni, a female artist Why is being called a female artist so provocative to Joni? My answer would be that she seems to accept the hierarchical order of male/female. As long as we keep talking as if male is "more", "better" etc than female, as long as we accept man as the norm for human beings (as opposed to woman), being called female will be diminishing. That said, I do think that Joni is a female artist in a better sense of the word. By no means inferior to male artists, she is not trying to see and understand the world from a male point of view. Instead, she is extremely good at interpreting the female position, and I thank her for that! I hope she will stay a female artist forever. Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:47:00 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Non Joni Related - Preservatiiom Hall Jazz Band on Regis and Kelly? Hi Jill, I saw PHJB in Atlanta and they were awesome! Paz had us up in the front row which was totally cool. Earlier before the show, we were hanging in the dressing room with a bunch of people and I sang "My One and Only Love" and "Misty" with the piano player who was super nice. A couple of the band members were convinced I looked just like a musician from New Olreans, that I was his twin. It also turned out that the banjo player knew a friend of mine from Atlanta I've known for several years...they in fact grew up together in New Orleans. I also ran into my friend Mike Geier from Atlanta band "Kingsized" who was doing a Hawaiian gig at the Hilton where the band was staying. Paz and Muller and I were talking to him in the lobby, say about 1 in the morning, and it turned out he knew several people that Paz also knew...it's such a small world, music connects everything. Victor NP: Fantasia "Summertime" > I saw PHJB when you played the Paramount in Seattle and you blew my socks > off!! BTY, I just met some new neighbors two doors up and they were > familiar with the band. I bragged about the Paramount show and made myself > sound really important. Grab it when you can. > > Jill in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:14:25 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: The way I see it- my review on A tribute to Joni Mitchell Hey Kaare, weren't you supposed to have broadband at home and be a frequent poster now? I just thought I'd say Just to say that I totally agree on Emmylou Harris and the Magdalene Laundries being the perfect match! I think I even prefer her version to Joni's, it's something about the straightforward unsentimental sentimentality of her singing, as opposed to Joni's whiny version. Otherwise I don't have any strong feelings for any of the songs on the CD, don't know why. I get particularly bored my Costello and, like you, Maclachlan, but (like you!) I tend to replay Annie Lennox, I think she really energizes that song... but then I think, well isn't this what all her songs sound like...? With her, I always found her voice entirely hypnotizing but the music strangely detached... Anyway, enough from me on this Sunday when I really have to get back to work which is not hard since it is the most shitty weather outside (I almost added 'and inside my hee-ead' but that's not true!) Take care! Benedicte > "For the roses," Cassandra Wilson. Again I'd like to draw your attention to > last years tribute concert. Imagine Cassandra Wilson sitting ut there. > Alone. Maybe on a chair "getting us to feel like that" Oh - we would be > thrilled. We'd been blown away. I know I would. "Up the charts - off to the > airport. Your names in the news. Everything's first class"--- Cassandra > sings this from her own experience. I can hear that. And as you already see > from the former songs, that is for me a sign of quality. > > "A case of you" If I should ever cover Joni - I would never have covered "A > case of you" Why? It's obvious - it's impossible to cover "A case of you" > Joni has two astonishing versions you could never do as good as her > anyway....But then Prince, he does'nt care. He sings it anyways. He skips > the first and the last verse, but hey he sings. HE SINGS HIS SOUL OUT- in > that second verse. It's great. He IS a LONELY PAINTER he does live in A BOX > OF PAINTS. I'm sure Prince got all his musical and emotional education from > Joni - I know he love "Hissing of summer lawns" but he's bound to have had > his years with blue too. This is maybe the highlight of the cd for me! > > "Blue" Sarah McLachlan. This one is maybe one of my least favorites on the > album - but I think maybe that has something to do with my knowledge on > JOni's perception of Sarah Mclachlan. She hates Sara McLachlan. If I had > been Sarah McLachlan - I would never ever have the nerve to join a tribute > CD to someone who despised me. So I'll give credit to Sarah for that - for > her daring. And after a couple of listenings I do enjoy this one too. Blue > has never been my favourite song - but I think Sarah Mclachlan does a good > try. Well done. > > "Ladies of the Canyon" Since I have no idea on how Joni percieves Annie > Lennox (I guess she doesn't attend her fan club...) I just LIKE this > version. I love the arrangement. It is a song that makes me smile. And I > like Annie Lennox' voice. Great that this one is on a tribute CD, it's > definately not one of Joni's most well known songs, and I think maybe this > one can lead aspiring Joni fans to buy "Ladies of the canyon" And then we > can begin to talk ... ! > > "The Magdalende Laundries" Emmylou Harris - well even Joni can't dislike > you, you're too good, too profesionnal, too human. I think this is a perfect > match, perfect song - text - voice, you do it in your way, and you do it as > good as Joni, Emmylou. I love the way you sing flirt, or whisper it. Not any > spring, Emmylou . Thanks ! Another highlight on the CD. > > "Edith and the Kingpin" I don't know about how Joni feels about you, Elvis, > but i know that you love Joni. And love counts. Your version of Edit.." is a > bit loooong. But I forgive you. You love Joni. You even portect her from the > cruel world when they want to compare her to Sarah Maclaclan. You just tell > them: "She is always compared with the wrong people." I'm sure Joni loves > you for that. Well, untill she starts to diss Diana Krall, I certainly hope > that wont happen... > > "Help me" k.d.lang: A bit of a superficial version of a superficial song - > still worth a smile :-) > > "River" James Taylor. This one is great. As Prince does on "A case of you" - > Taylor also makes River his own song. He skips the jingle bells intro and > ending and does this other melody instead . And he twist the words a bit - > he gone and lost best baby - but he says it in another way, can't remeber it > right her. A lovly ending to a great album. > > In Norway the album recieved great reviews. One reviewer in Aftenposten > stated that he hoped this aLbum would inspire Joni to get back to studio and > produce some inspired new material. On this list all know she is back in the > studio - so we'll just have to hang on his wishes that her new material will > be good. Go, Joni, go go go ! > > Love, Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 00:52:09 -0700 From: "Allison Crowe Music Mgmt" Subject: Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? From what I've read, Joni touches on an essential truth in some of her criticisms of today's recording artists. In the '60s and '70s, singer-songwriters on major labels could be talented and free-spirited creators. It's a very corporate game, however, in the modern era, and those heard on commercial radio for a long-time now, have been seriously compromised. My sense is that Joni's harshest criticism is rooted in that lack of integrity. As she told W mag a few years back, today's music biz is focussed not on talent, but, on "a look and a willingness to cooperate". Joni told Details (in '96): "I'm a musical explorer and not just a pop songwriter or an occasional writer of a song or half a song, like these other women. Alanis Morissette writes words, someone else helps set it to music, and then she's kind of stylized into the part. To me, Sheryl Crow is a style invention, and I know some of her inventors. A lot of these women are made, they're not...well, Laura Nyro was not like that. She and I were composers and poets. Of the women who have come up after that, I can't think of anybody who..." Singer-songwriters who are independent, and not part of the major label machine, have a chance to create something true. Ani DiFranco, The Little Folksinger that Could, explains: "I don't think the music industry is conducive to artistic and social change and growth. It does a lot to exploit and homogenize art and artists. In order to challenge the corporate music industry, I feel it necessary to remain outside it. I could be selling a lot more albums. Life could be a lot more cushy. But it's much more interesting to try and hammer out an alternative route without the music industry and maybe be an example for other musicians. You don't have to play ball." My reading of things is that Joni doesn't respect those who play ball - and what they produce. She respects the musically innovative, rather than the invented. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:16:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joni Tribute album in NYT Here's the link to theNYT article that talked about tribute albums in general and mentioned the Tribute album to Joni as point of reference. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/arts/music/27pare.html?ref=music Nice call on the "The Sandinista! Project" and the upcoming tributes to June Carter Cash and Ella Fitzgerald. Joseph in sunny Chapel Hill (have yet to purchase and listen to the Joni Tribute album) - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Non Joni Related - Preservatiiom Hall Jazz Band on Regis and Kelly? waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > NP: Fantasia "Summertime" > Another reason to watch American Idol. She had never even heard of the song before she picked it to sing live on the show. It was a seminal moment of live television as entertainment, and no one cared, nor should have, that she didn't write the song. It brought the genius of Gershwin to 30 million people in an instant, many of whom had never heard of him. Jerry, going to see her in The Color Purple in two weeks. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:22:57 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Hates - a lack of creative integrity? So that leads to the essential question for artists today. What is more important? Making album sales or going down the road less taken/holding on to your creative control/artistic integrity? The buck or the bang? Can the two coincide? I'm thinking not so much today. But is it bad to pursue commercial success? Is it really so wrong for an artist to want to make some $$$$? I have no answers, only questions. I think if an artist/band is so intent on the "dollar" that they lose whatever musical integrity they have.....then you know what they're really in it for and you know they probably won't last too long. Crack out a couple of hits....then the record company tosses them off their label....finds a band that sounds like them....signs them on and so the cycle begins again.....or so it seems to me. Sometimes I'll hear clips of new bands playing today and I can't tell one from the other. The music is all bland and the singers are either whiny or have that low growl. But maybe there's not so much creative integrity there in the first place? I mean, take for example--when is the last time you heard an actual guitar solo in a rock song of today? Nobody really knows how to play their instrument well enough or cares enough to really try. As for the female singer/songwriters of today....well they can choose their own fate. I mean, I think some of them have nice voices (not Alanis) but it's not my cup of tea. It has nothing to do with whether or not they have as much as depth as Joni's songs (I don't compare anyone to anyone else) as I'm just not compelled to check them out. I mean I had heard more Sheryl Crow songs than Joni songs (before getting into Joni) but it just didn't click (the awk, haha). I'll just continue grabbing my Joni cds to listen to. In fact, I don't listen to too many singer/songwriters per se as it is, whether they be female or male. I listen to a lot of bands with fantastic songwriting within. So the bell tolls..... - -Monika NP: My Little Runaway- Del Shannon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 08:19:30 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: hate, hate,hate Poor Joni seems to be getting a drubbing this month with all the talk of "Joni HATES Sarah M", some lister hates Amelia, many hate Travelogue. You're all entitled of course but I'm beginning to wonder if the Joni list has been getting crossed in cyberspace with the Sex Pistols list. Dave (hoping my contractual obligation albums will be played by the LSO too.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:32:11 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: hate, hate,hate All you need is love. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:35:25 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content Lesli, Lady of the Topanga Canyon wrote: "kakki, where Do you get your information? geez..one ear to the ground. i wanna go! i know bc well it's so gorgeous! and thanks to kate we know we could bring our dog, we usually travel with her. it's hard to leave her at home. i can see it now...a rented boat or ferry filled with listas cruising around, so many of us it sinks, and we wash up right on her seashore. make her long for javez bottles on the tide.... or rowboats, our necks craned, just in case - --- and there's joni painting on her beach giving us either a friendly wave or that hawk-eyed stare. ......." Hey! I KNOW! (bright as a Joni neon light again) I can get a boat. And we can row it! If she ever gets the notion to be needed by us... Imagine.....she'd be frying fresh salmon Imagine....all the people! They can make it through these waves love to see that green water in motion with the tide rollllllllllllling in rolling, rolling, rock and rolllllllllllING .......Jonilistas everywhere. Music comes spilling out.... colorful Jonilistas come waltzing in time.... Moon's up nights up Taking Joni's town by surprise ! Joni would say: "Come up to my kitchen, o my precious aging children, and I will sing you songs of joy and peace, and show you my best recipes. Hunger is human, and humans are hungry. I'm a pretty good cook." "So, come to the dinner gong!" "I want EVERYBODY comin' over to my table -- I've got something to talk to EVERYBODY about! I see something of myself in everyone, just at this moment of the world!" The table is laden high, and Joni sits you down to eat. She always makes you welcome in. All the Jonilistas are jumping for Joni joy and dancing dizzily because every freakin' Joni fairy tale has come real. Muller turns to Smurf and asks: "Do you think this can be real?" Like the pull of moon on tides, Smurf replies: "Now I am Smurf rising. But where is Animarising? Where is Catherine? Is she here?" Little (Ms. Tree) Green is turning cartwheels and the sand All along the ocean beaches and then she stops and Stares up empty at the sky and wonders aloud: "Do the stars pay a light bill, Joni? They should be using Al Gore's squiggly light bulbs!" Joni hears Little (Ms. Tree) Green and cries out in welcome: "Hey farmer, farmer!" Kakki and Paz (gin's what they're drinkin') laugh and toast to Joni and smash their empty glasses down. Joni hugs Richard Flynn and cries: "Oh, Richard, the last time I saw you...." Her sorrow at not having seen Richard in so long is interrupted when a newbie screams out: "WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?" Lesli and Kate and Jill and Em and Patti (and you know there may be more dog owners) had let all these dogs go running free all along the ocean beaches... The wild and the gentle dogs.... Joni speaks: "No regrets, Coyotes. Wild things run fast. Be cool, be cool." Everywhere there was song and a celebration. Just a dream that some of us had..... Love, Patti P., wasting away again in JoniMitchellville NPIMH: I have brought some dreams to share A dream that you love someone A dream that the wars are done A dream that you tell no one but the grey sea They'll say that you're crazy Do YOU think I was crazy? _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:27:28 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: good point I think your point "I honestly don't think she cares enough about it to conjure hate" is a good one. And indeed I believe you're right. If anything I guess Joni feels indefference to some of these contemporary female artist that are being compared to her. So the conclusion I draw from this is that Joni Mitchell, most likely does not hate Sarah M, but conserned she still hasn't come out of the closet in the sense of being a major fan, and prbably never will Best Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:05:12 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: re: Joni Hates? Whoops - caught myself.wonder how much it irked her.. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:04:02 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: re: Joni Hates? I also don't think she's even familiar with 90% of her 'contemporaries.' When Larry was around, she probably got a bigger does of mainstream music since he did production work for so many different people (no doubt he turned her on to that Police tune she liked, and who knows, maybe the New Radicals song as well.). But without someone bringing pop music into her world, I get the feeling she pays no attention to it whatsoever. My impression is that Joni's a jazz-and-classical-only lady in her later years. So, not to knock anybody's perspective, but the idea of her popping in ANY singer/songwriter fare (save maybe for Dylan.possibly Neil Young..) into her car CD player seems laughable to me. Remember - we're dealing with someone who continuously references Piaf, Rachmaninoff, Marvin Gaye and Miles. When pressed she's mentioned Laura Nyro, but only in respect to career choices, not as a stylistic comparison. Her Starbucks Artists Choice collection is quite revealing.. I imagine she's given the Nonesuch tribute disc a listen since she supposedly gave the final nod.wonder how much she hated it. She didn't like "Back to the Garden" at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:29:08 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Calling London UK Hello All You Brits- It's a bloody invasion from New Orleans it is and you are invited to come out and play. I have posted my tour schedule here for you to check out and hopefully I can see alot of you over there. I could not find an email address for Martin or Stryngs, but I hope one of you will forward this on to them. I had planned on bringing a guitar but I am afraid I am not going to be able to carry one with me. I am forwarding my Tour Book to you (Chris and Les) in hopes that it is clearer where I will be when (please share it with Stryngs and Martin). I do have a day and a half off in London. Hoping to see you all and meet some of you that I have not had the chance to as yet. I will do my best to get everyone that wants to come to the shows tickets, but worse case we can get you side stage with us working stiffs. It ain't all that bad just ask Muller and Victor (had a blast with them in Atlanta). anyways here is the list. Tour Schedule MAY 30TH, 2007 // 10:00 am National Concert Hall, Dublin, IRELAND JUNE 1ST, 2007 // 8:00 pm Queen's Theatre, Barnstaple, UK JUNE 2ND, 2007 // 8:00 pm The Anvil, Basingstoke, ENGLAND JUNE 4TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Barbican Centre, London, ENGLAND JUNE 5TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Queens Hall, Edinburgh, SCOTLAND JUNE 6TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm De Montfort Hall, Leicester, ENGLAND JUNE 7TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Colston Hall Bar, Bristol, UK JUNE 8TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Lighthouse Arts Center, Poole, ENGLAND JUNE 9TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Royal and Derngate Theatres, Northampton, UK JUNE 10TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm The Sage Gateshead, Gateshead, ENGLAND JUNE 12TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Philharmonic Hall, Liverpool, ENGLAND JUNE 13TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Warwick Arts Centre, Coventry, ENGLAND JUNE 14TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Bridgewater Hall, Manchester, ENGLAND JUNE 15TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Brighton Dome, Brighton, ENGLAND JUNE 19TH, 2007 // 8:00 pm Town Hall, New York, NY JVC Jazz Festival READ MORE BUY TICKETS June 20th, 2007//8:00pm, Washington, D.C. Smithsonian Love Paz Michael Paz michael@thepazgroup.com Tour Manager Preservation Hall Jazz Band cell-504-382-0343 http://www.preservationhall.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:06:29 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Jazz vocalists hear & now cd? Does anyone own this cd? Is it good? Where is Joni's "Don't Worry 'Bout Me?" from? What album I mean? I just ordered this from the library so any and all feedback would be nice....... - -Monika, simply preparing to go to a jazz club in the near future...and searchin' Joni songs..... "Damn it feels good to be a gangsta." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #161 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)