From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 160 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Have you seen this? [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE. Blue ["mike pritchard" ] On Joni's maybe dislike of Sarah M. ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: The Johnny Cash Show? [Bob Muller ] Joni & Cash (and a rant about country lyrics) [missblux@googlemail.com] Joni Hates? ["Christopher Treacy" ] Re: Favourite covers [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni Hates? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Lukewarm songs? ["Kate Bennett" ] Fw: Joni Hates? ["AJ" ] Fw: Joni & Cash (and a rant about country lyrics) ["AJ" ] re: Have you seen this? ["mia _" ] Re: Lukewarm songs? ["AJ" ] Re: Have you seen this? ["Randy Remote" ] FW: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content ["WATTS, LESLI" ] RE: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content ["JILL A HAAS" Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Yeah Catherine, it was surprising to me too but, come to think of it, that language was more common then but just restricted. It was pretty typical of Belushi. That's why he was banned all over the place. It was kind of naughty to listen to him or see him perform. That and the drug references. Lots of comedians at that time swore a lot. Just think of them...Richard Pryor, Lily Tomlin, even Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy used that kind of language in their stand up. It's what made them "edgy" and "risque". Joni was an icon to a lot of people at that time and as such, an easy target for satire. Many of these comedians were based in New York. They made their name doing the comedy circuit there in the early '70s. It was really a hotbed for the development of stand up just as it was for folk music a few years earlier. I think that's why many of those comedians felt connected to the folk singers. They often headlined together. When you consider the times, it's really no different from the parodies of today. I don't think Joni would be too offended. She knows that imitation is a form of flattery. The impersonator obviously studied Joni's inflections and lyrical style. Mark in Sydney NP Gardening Australia (ABC TV) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:47:21 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE. Blue >>I, too, question that statement, though I am open to citation.<< Well done sir, spoken like a true librarian. Enjoy the weekend, Jerry, mike in bcn np Bjork violently happy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:29:20 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: On Joni's maybe dislike of Sarah M. Kate wrote: "I don't know if this is true (that Joni despises Sarah). I hope not because Sarah has written some incredible songs & I love her voice. I love the song "Blue" as performed both by Joni & Sarah. I also love Angel, Adia, & Icecream as well (Sarah's songs) & more that don't come to mind presently." Jerry wrote: "I, too, question that statement, though I am open to citation. I searched the JMDL Library and found a mention of Sarah's Blue in an interview with Joni, but nowhere does it say she hated it or Sarah." Oddmund says; Please prove me wrong ! I'm no Joni schoklar and I also like Sarah Maclachlan too, believe me. Even though I don't go back to her albums as much as I do with Joni's I do like her voice and her arrangements very much. I can't say where I picked up the feeling that Joni is not wild about Sarah M. The last years I've read quite a lot interviews with Joni, especially from the ninties. In them the journalist sometimes have asked her about contemperary female artists - like Tracy Chapman, Suszanne Vega - artists that pay tribute to joni by saying that she has been an important role-model for them as female singer-(songwriters) I think I also have read that some of the artists that have been joining the Lillith fair has been among these.(And If understand it correctly SaraMaclachlan is the founder of Lillith Fair) When Joni is asked how she approve these female arrtists - she hasn't exactly raised her thumbs. Firstly she has been upset as being labeled as a female artsit - she is an artist. (And if you have to compare her to somebody, please pick Bob Dylan, Mozart or Beethoven or Picasso...) Secondly she has been provoked to be compared with these female singers - because and I think Elvis Costello can be quoted here: Elvis Costello says that he has purchased every Mitchell album since the first. He recalls skipping school in Liverpool to take the train to Manchester and lining up for tickets to see Mitchell play. "She's compared to the wrong people," he said after a concert in New York. "The people that have been overtly influenced by her, with the possible exception of Prince, are nowhere near as good as she is. Her range is much greater. You know the line in 'Shades of Scarlet Conquering' 'Dressed in stolen clothes she stands / Cast-iron and frail / With her impossibly gentle hands / And her blood-red fingernails'? If many songwriters wrote a description as good as that in their whole careers, they would be blessed and there are five or six lines that good in that one song! It's not just that she has no rivals among female singer-songwriters. She has very few peers among any songwriters." (Source: *Lady of the Canyon* Bill Flanagan [Vanity Fair] June 1997) It seems to me she feels that thes singers can not in any way reach up to her musical leve. l've been angry with Joni for this. Angry for her not givning credit to female artists that I find great. She may have a hard time on being humble - but sometimes I wishe she could just lie a bit, say that they're good, and smile. Then, Joni doesn't do that. She is honest - it seems to me that is somewhat a call for her to be. If she doesn't approve a female artist she sure tells the journalist (who is silly enough to ask her) Then she tells us that Suzanne Vega has no heart in her song, that Tracy Chapman lack musical skills and that Lillith fair singers aren't her cup of tea. It was these sort of statements I draw my conclusions, that "she hates Sarh M:" but I may be wrong, and I know the way I put it may been provoking for some of you. I appologize if I hurt anybody's feelings. On the other hand I'm glad that my review got some response. Even respoenses that question's ones statements are good responses - I find. So thanks ! That's all for now. Bon weekend ! Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:55:58 +0100 From: Stephen Toogood Subject: RE: Lukewarm songs? Last Time I Saw Richard is really enduring to me - love the long piano opening and all the drama the song evokes. One of the re-recordings that works on TLOG too IMHO. Of course music is subjectable yadi yadi ya... and I can see it not being everyones fave. Amelia I like without realising... I remember not so long a go it was playing and I thought 'this sounds nice'. I was submersed in study and it took me a while to realise what the song playing was, though I had a feeling it was from Hejira. Woman Of Heart And Mind is pretty lukewarm for me... and I know it is a favourite for many. Just seems way too introspective without much else going on.Ste ...who now wonders if he'll ever make it to the emerald city.> From: Motitan@aol.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:45:33 -0400> Subject: Lukewarm songs?> To: joni@smoe.org> > 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after reading how much it means > to so many. Just don't get it.)> - ------------------------------------------------------------> Ok, this was posted on the list just recently which aided me in thinking > up a question. Are there any Joni songs that either you don't like or like > but not love in which you've noticed a big majority do? > For me, I would name "The Last Time I Saw Richard." I've read many > favoring comments towards the song here on this list, in reviews, and even in the > song poll on the site it's ranked up there at a good number. Although I do > like the song, I wouldn't say it's a favorite by any means. > And as I've said before on this list, I could do without "Big Yellow > Taxi" unless its the MOA 1974 version (which I love!) or done live on a DVD I am > watching. > So any songs like that for you? > - -Monika> NP: As You Said- Cream > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. http://www.live.com/getstarted ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 06:37:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Johnny Cash Show? Hi Monika, The Joni appearances on Johnny's show haven't been officially released on DVD, but they have been made available to JMDLer's on DVD for awhile. Additionally, you can get at least some of them on DVD from ebay sellers: http://tinyurl.com/29hddc Bob NP: Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Dosed" - --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:36:37 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni & Cash (and a rant about country lyrics) Hi Catherine (and everyone else, because this is just a rant about everything coming to mind on this cloudy saturday afternoon), you sent that 'Blue River' where Joni sings backing vocals recently. It made me think 'well so she can actually sing in styles that aren't her own' - I really enjoyed her singing in that style, she is SO versatile! I couldn't determine though whether I think it's gospel or country (?!). I guess its country because in this Johnny Cash duet she does the same thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6AhxYVswk That being said, I have mixed feelings about Johnny Cash. Some of his stuff is excellent, Folsom Prison etc., but some of if it I find extremely tacky. Someone had a post recently about BAD lyrics, and quoted a country song. From Hank Williams and onwards it seems to me that the country genre has mixed true genius with _amazingly_ corny lyrics. Would anyone disagree on that...? Bene Way behind on the posts as am working frantically at the moment... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:39:56 -0400 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Joni Hates? "but I think maybe that has something to do with my knowledge on JOni's perception of Sarah Mclachlan. She hates Sara McLachlan" Not so fast... I could be wrong, but I don't think Joni "hates" Sarah at all - I think she "hates" what the press and the industry did to her and so many others like her (alanis comes to mind) who suffered endless comparisons to JM that are only marginally warranted. She said it in the recent BBC program - that it's preposterous to have all these other gals constantly told they're harking back to Joni, and what usually happens is they end up resenting her. Meanwhile, the main reason why the comparison is drawn has more to do with the confessional poetry and resulting emotional nakedness that characterized the "Blue" album than any lasting similarity - and in this case, the Canadian connection. But "hate" is a string word. I honestly don't think she cares enough about it to conjure hate - and if she really DID hate her, couldn't she have blocked her from making the recording by denying the copyright loan or whatever? Just a thought. She's had similarly indifferent things to say about Shawn Colvin - but they obviously were a little friendly. Because Larry produced it, "Fat City" was recorded in The Kiva, which is basically Joni's 1970's LA bedroom (the one photographed for Architectural Digest with all the green velvet) converted into a recording studio. I always thought Larry might've been shtupping Shawn on the side. now THERE's a reason to 'hate'. Still, there's a candid of Joni from around that time on Shawn's website. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:44:45 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Favourite covers Hi Mark, I have to apologize for being extremely slow on the email at the moment - too much work! I think it meant we should have some sort of on-line poll where everyone could vote for their favourite covers - like every month when Bob sends the covers we could have a vote. It would be interesting at the end of the year to see the list of favourites. We could also do it here on the hassle but it would be a hassle to count the votes I guess.... I think it would be fun, but then I don't know how to organize it! Bene from misty Cambridge where we thought summer was approaching ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:03:08 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Hates? Chances are she probably doesn't put Sarah M.'s cds in her stereo. Whether she hates her music or not, well what can be said? I'd rather Joni be honest in interviews and say straight out whether she likes something or not regardless of the reasons. Now of course just because Joni says this or that doesn't mean you can't like this or that or vice versa. You do bring up a good point though that Joni is compared to the wrong people. Basically, Joni Mitchell is an influence on every living girl who has ever picked up a guitar, wrote a song, and recorded an album in which the writing is the focus (according to the press) regardless whether she truly is an influence on her or not. And I stress "her." It seems impossible that Joni could be an influence on male musicians though she is....say for Prince or Elvis Costello. But it just seems she's still "boxed" in that "female" category. Joni writes female this, female that....influencing female songwriter everywhere. I guess in a way I can understand her frustration. Nobody, especially artists, want to be lumped into a category or labeled, let alone be labeled a "female" something or another. Do you know how many times I have read that Joni Mitchell is the greatest FEMALE songwriter ever? No one ever says Bob Dylan is the greatest male writer....or John Lennon was the greatest MALE songwriter or whatever. In fact, when I first started getting into Joni I was a little worried when I kept reading all this "female this" stuff because I thought, "uh oh crap, if she's just that...I might be underwhelmed (which I found out wasn't true and was very impressed, yay)." It's sort of sad that there is still this line for females. And of course.....this is just music...let's not even talk about all the other professions where girls get the shit end of the stick..... So I suppose I could understand from that point of view. I wouldn't lump Joni in with Sheryl Crow or Sarah Mclachlan or artists of that nature because to me, they are a million miles away. To me that would be like lumping Elliott Smith with John Mayer or Michael Buble just because they all write their own songs, are more mellow, and are men. However, I could understand the misconception of Joni being lumped together with the likes of them unfortunately. Anyway, I'll stop rambling as I don't think I'm making any new point here...just preaching...to the choir...maybe. But I think with time, Joni's music will get its FAIR DUE for everything that it is worth. Just with time......... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:21:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? I agree, that one is just boring to me & I never understood why she chose to play it so much Jerry> I'd say Sex Kills for me. I find it very pretentious and was way overplayed during Joni's promotion of the Turbulent Indigo.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:16:20 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Fw: Joni Hates? - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Chances are she probably doesn't put Sarah M.'s cds in her stereo. > Whether > she hates her music or not, well what can be said? I'd rather Joni be > honest > in interviews and say straight out whether she likes something or not > regardless of the reasons. Now of course just because Joni says this or > that > doesn't mean you can't like this or that or vice versa. > You do bring up a good point though that Joni is compared to the wrong > people. Basically, Joni Mitchell is an influence on every living girl > who has > ever picked up a guitar, wrote a song, and recorded an album in which the > writing is the focus (according to the press) regardless whether she > truly is > an influence on her or not. And I stress "her." It seems impossible > that > Joni could be an influence on male musicians though she is....say for > Prince or > Elvis Costello. But it just seems she's still "boxed" in that "female" > category. Joni writes female this, female that....influencing female > songwriter > everywhere. I guess in a way I can understand her frustration. Nobody, > especially artists, want to be lumped into a category or labeled, let > alone be > labeled a "female" something or another. Do you know how many times I > have read > that Joni Mitchell is the greatest FEMALE songwriter ever? No one ever > says > Bob Dylan is the greatest male writer....or John Lennon was the greatest > MALE songwriter or whatever. In fact, when I first started getting into > Joni I > was a little worried when I kept reading all this "female this" stuff > because > I thought, "uh oh crap, if she's just that...I might be underwhelmed > (which > I found out wasn't true and was very impressed, yay)." It's sort of sad > that > there is still this line for females. And of course.....this is just > music...let's not even talk about all the other professions where girls > get the > shit end of the stick..... > So I suppose I could understand from that point of view. I wouldn't > lump Joni in with Sheryl Crow or Sarah Mclachlan or artists of that > nature > because to me, they are a million miles away. To me that would be like > lumping > Elliott Smith with John Mayer or Michael Buble just because they all > write > their own songs, are more mellow, and are men. However, I could > understand the > misconception of Joni being lumped together with the likes of them > unfortunately. > Anyway, I'll stop rambling as I don't think I'm making any new point > here...just preaching...to the choir...maybe. But I think with time, > Joni's > music will get its FAIR DUE for everything that it is worth. Just with > time......... This is hardly a problem limited to contemporary women musicians--it's a central cultural problem in a society that has many sexist assumptions that are so deep it will take generations to erase. Women writers are subject to the same sort of thing you describe above; Sylvia Plath, for instance, a truly accomplished and original poet, gets lumped in with Anne Sexton (a gifted lyricist, but ultimately a sloppy and indulgent writer). Virginia Woolf is routinely identified as the best female novelist of the 20th century, rather than measured as a writer against Joyce and Faulkner and Proust (FWIW, I think she comes in fourth in that line-up). I'm sure it's the same in painting--Joan Mitchell belongs in the top rank of Abstract Expressionists and she's always called the best female painter of that movement (unless someone argues it's Lee Krasner). I like Sarah McLachan well enough; I like Shawn Colwin, Rickie Lee Jones, Courtney Love, and Sheryl Crow. But none of them is in Mitchell's stratum, and none has done the significant work she had by their age. But that's how it goes. I wish it didn't, but it does. Were I Mitchell, I wouldn't want to be lumped in with inferior (however gifted) singer-songwriters. Please please please tell me the awful Michael Buble doesn't write his own songs. I've only heard his derivative and fifth-rate covers. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 15:20:30 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Fw: Joni & Cash (and a rant about country lyrics) - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Catherine (and everyone else, because this is just a rant about > everything coming to mind on this cloudy saturday afternoon), > > you sent that 'Blue River' where Joni sings backing vocals recently. > It made me think 'well so she can actually sing in styles that aren't > her own' - I really enjoyed her singing in that style, she is SO > versatile! > > I couldn't determine though whether I think it's gospel or country > (?!). I guess its country because in this Johnny Cash duet she does > the same thing: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6AhxYVswk > > That being said, I have mixed feelings about Johnny Cash. Some of his > stuff is excellent, Folsom Prison etc., but some of if it I find > extremely tacky. Someone had a post recently about BAD lyrics, and > quoted a country song. From Hank Williams and onwards it seems to me > that the country genre has mixed true genius with _amazingly_ corny > lyrics. Would anyone disagree on that...? > > Bene > Way behind on the posts as am working frantically at the moment... > Those last albums of Johnny Cash's--the ones produced by that rock guy--are beyond brilliant. While I have never been much of an Elvis fan, I have thought about how lucky it is that Cash had someone to help him produce such profound music at the end of his life. I believe it was Greil Marcus who once remarked that when you listen to "In the Ghetto" you can sense how much Elvis wanted to do serious work. While I've never been particularly interested in Elvis, I have wondered what would have happened had he lived long enough to get the kind of chance Cash did. One bad thing about belonging to this list is it makes it very difficult for me to decide what music I want to listen to during the cocktail hour, dinner prep, dinner, and after- dinner. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:18:06 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Lukewarm songs? Glad to see other people dislike "Sex Kills" as much as I do. What I dislike about it most is its simplistic yet incoherent politics. Too many targets so the anger seems misdirected, or rather directed every which way so it never hits its mark. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Kate Bennett Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 1:21 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? I agree, that one is just boring to me & I never understood why she chose to play it so much Jerry> I'd say Sex Kills for me. I find it very pretentious and was way overplayed during Joni's promotion of the Turbulent Indigo.< ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:39:35 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Have you seen this? Monika, thanks for that You Tube link. I never knew these National Lampoon parodies existed, and now I was able to watch all of them. Woodchuck! Yasser's Farm. Too funny!! Although the Joni one would have been better without the southern drawl. Kind of a mix from the Blue period. The intro sounds like a mixture of Carey and California, but the end " I love youuuu, youuu" sounds like Blue. The singer's blank stare cracked me up, but the hand clap was really cheesy. Randy, I didn't see the Neil Young parody. Was that one out there on You Tube? The last one with MegaDeath kinda blew me away. Did this death metal type of music really exist back then? I love how You Tube always leads one to other goodies - - like this one - - a couple doing Joni and Jaco from Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TetvChCYkrI&mode=related&search= or maybe this is the correct link (not sure): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TetvChCYkrI They're not too bad. Mia _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:26:54 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Lukewarm songs? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Flynn" > Glad to see other people dislike "Sex Kills" as much as I do. What I > dislike about it most is its simplistic yet incoherent politics. > I love "Sex Kills." I mean, I generally think when the political message in art overwhelms the art (which it probably does in this song), it's not a good thing and that's why I really adore songs (or poetry) where the artist manages to say something profoundly political without compromising the art (best example: Marvin Gaye's What's Going On?). But I still think "Sex Kills" is a great song. - --AJ, in the minority on this one ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:45:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Have you seen this? > Randy, I didn't see the Neil Young parody. Was that one out there on You > Tube? > Mia > The Neil Young parody song "Old Maid (Southern California Brings Me Down) was not part of the Lemmings show. It was originally on the National Lampoon Radio Hour, and was also on the album Goodbye Pop in 1975. It's real Harvest/Gold Rush style Neil. I need someone to live with me To keep my bed warm and keep my shorts clean I need a maid to give for free o oooh and sew patches on my jeans I dreamed I found my cowgirl housewife I was driving in my pickup through L.A. I gotta love you while I can, babe Before I become an old man Southern California brings me down Southern California brings me down Southern California brings me down O I need some place to go O North Ontario It's safer than Alabama It's safer than O-Ohio O-Ohio O Gonna go home now where I can ____ With the cowgirl of my dreams Gonna stayed stoned now Stare out my basement window and scream Aa-aaa Southern California brings me down Southern California brings me down Southern California brings me down O gotta get away now Southern California brings me down Topango Canyon freaks, you won't see me around no more ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:22:57 -0700 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: FW: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Sat 5/26/2007 6:18 PM ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Sat 5/26/2007 5:27 PM To: kbhla@fastmail.fm Cc: les irvin Subject: RE: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content kakki, where Do you get your information? geez..one ear to the ground. i wanna go! i know bc well it's so gorgeous! and thanks to kate we know we could bring our dog, we usually travel with her. it's hard to leave her at home. i can see it now...a rented boat or ferry filled with listas cruising around, so many of us it sinks, and we wash up right on her seashore. make her long for javez bottles on the tide.... or rowboats, our necks craned, just in case --- and there's joni painting on her beach giving us either a friendly wave or that hawk-eyed stare. naw we have more dignity than that let's just invite her! pipe dreams, but i do look forward to going to a jonifest! lesli ________________________________ : Tue 5/22/2007 6:03 PMCatherine wrote: I'm going to go to Vancouver in late August because a nephew is getting married. I may scoot up the coast to check this place out. Once we're out there, it will be great to see some wonderful mountain and ocean scenery. and patti wrote: Refuge of the) ROAD(s) TRIP! Can I come? We'll get a '57 Biscayne or a rented Rolls Royce, and I'll draw a map of Canada kakki told us: Patti's B.C. related post reminded me of something I recently read about the old Lord Jim's resort near Joni in B.C. Joni has told a few stories about the place - notably it is where she stayed while her little cottage was being built. One night she was there in bed topless and knitting some perky retirees holding glasses of bourbon walked into her room looking for conversation ;-) Well it has been transformed into a gorgeous spa-like resort called Rockwater Secret Cove Resort. I visited when it was the old Lord Jim's back in 2001 and the setting is absolutely stunning. They even had a big old pool table prominently placed in the bar. I'm sure Joni has hit a few there. The new place is very affordable. Maybe we should have some kind of fest event there. Here is the link. http://www.rockwatersecretcoveresort.com/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:32:29 -0700 From: "WATTS, LESLI" Subject: FW: joni and buffy ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Subject: RE: joni and buffy ________________________________ kate of the north asked about the joni buffy connction and if buffy mentored joni. think so. i remember reading two different things joni said but i'm too socked in with work to find 'em in the library. one said that buffy used to be one of the gang who played poker with joni and chuck and tom rush in detroit. i always wished i'd been there, like the laurel canyon days. in another article joni talked about being a good mimic and she mentioned buffy as one of the people she mimiked. joni and buffy probably influenced one another? UNIVERSAL SOLDIER Buffy Sainte-Marie ) Caleb Music-ASCAP I wrote "Universal Soldier" in the basement of The Purple Onion coffee house in Toronto in the early sixties. It's about individual responsibility for war and how the old feudal thinking kills us all. Donovan had a hit with it in 1965. He's five feet two and he's six feet four He fights with missiles and with spears He's all of 31 and he's only 17 He's been a soldier for a thousand years He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain, a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew and he knows he shouldn't kill and he knows he always will kill you for me my friend and me for you And he's fighting for Canada, he's fighting for France, he's fighting for the USA, and he's fighting for the Russians and he's fighting for Japan, and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way And he's fighting for Democracy and fighting for the Reds He says it's for the peace of all He's the one who must decide who's to live and who's to die and he never sees the writing on the walls But without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau Without him Caesar would have stood alone He's the one who gives his body as a weapon to a war and without him all this killing can't go on He's the universal soldier and he really is to blame His orders come from far away no more They come from him, and you, and me and brothers can't you see this is not the way we put an end to war. Hang tight jerry lesli ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:05:56 -0700 From: "JILL A HAAS" Subject: RE: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content Hi all, I've been out of commision since my computer "blue-screened" on me. My Jonifest '07 photos will be showing up long after everyone has lost interet, and I'll have to start my "Travelogue" story from scratch (again, well after everyone has lost interest). I'm now using a borrowed Mac Powerbook and considering going to the other side....but I digress. I'm all for a BC Jonifest, although it would be a huge sacrifice for me. I'd have to travel all the way from Seattle. :>) (Smug me). Perhaps this time I could actually drive there and bring my canoe! While we're there, we could stage a protest against the gravel pit they're trying to put in Joni's backyard. (From what I hear, LA needs the gravel so they can continue to pave whatever paradise they have left.) The Resort is beautiful! Any reports of on-site visits would be welcome. Is it really as cool as it looks?To bring Jimmy the Evil Chihuahua, or not to bring Jimmy the Evil Chihuahua, that is the question. Jill From: "WATTS, LESLI" Reply-To: "WATTS, LESLI" To: Subject: FW: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:22:57 -0700 ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Sat 5/26/2007 6:18 PM ________________________________ From: WATTS, LESLI Sent: Sat 5/26/2007 5:27 PM To: kbhla@fastmail.fm Cc: les irvin Subject: RE: Lord Jim's - not exactly Joni B.C. content kakki, where Do you get your information? geez..one ear to the ground. i wanna go! i know bc well it's so gorgeous! and thanks to kate we know we could bring our dog, we usually travel with her. it's hard to leave her at home. i can see it now...a rented boat or ferry filled with listas cruising around, so many of us it sinks, and we wash up right on her seashore. make her long for javez bottles on the tide.... or rowboats, our necks craned, just in case --- and there's joni painting on her beach giving us either a friendly wave or that hawk-eyed stare. naw we have more dignity than that let's just invite her! pipe dreams, but i do look forward to going to a jonifest! lesli ________________________________ : Tue 5/22/2007 6:03 PMCatherine wrote: I'm going to go to Vancouver in late August because a nephew is getting married. I may scoot up the coast to check this place out. Once we're out there, it will be great to see some wonderful mountain and ocean scenery. and patti wrote: Refuge of the) ROAD(s) TRIP! Can I come? We'll get a '57 Biscayne or a rented Rolls Royce, and I'll draw a map of Canada kakki told us: Patti's B.C. related post reminded me of something I recently read about the old Lord Jim's resort near Joni in B.C. Joni has told a few stories about the place - notably it is where she stayed while her little cottage was being built. One night she was there in bed topless and knitting some perky retirees holding glasses of bourbon walked into her room looking for conversation ;-) Well it has been transformed into a gorgeous spa-like resort called Rockwater Secret Cove Resort. I visited when it was the old Lord Jim's back in 2001 and the setting is absolutely stunning. They even had a big old pool table prominently placed in the bar. I'm sure Joni has hit a few there. The new place is very affordable. Maybe we should have some kind of fest event there. Here is the link. http://www.rockwatersecretcoveresort.com/ Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:52:55 -0700 From: "JILL A HAAS" Subject: Non Joni Related - Preservatiiom Hall Jazz Band on Regis and Kelly? Hey Pazman and insomnics everywhere, I leave the TV on when I go to sleep for fear I will wake up in the middle of the night and all will be dark and quiet. Sounds like a personal problem to me... Anyway, I woke up on May 23rd to Regis and Kelley (unintentionally, I swear) in New Orleans, and heard Regis mention the Preservation Hall Jazz Band. Did the band play on the show (if so, I'm sorry I missed it), or did they only mention the Band as part of the New Orleans benefit they were doing? I saw PHJB when you played the Paramount in Seattle and you blew my socks off!! BTY, I just met some new neighbors two doors up and they were familiar with the band. I bragged about the Paramount show and made myself sound really important. Grab it when you can. Jill in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #160 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)