From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 158 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's greatest songs, according to me ["Azeem Ali Khan" ] "Memo to Joni Mitchell: Stop bloody whingeing" - Word magazine ["Azeem Al] Herbie Hancock to release a CD of Joni Covers [Deb Messling ] Herbie Hancock's new CD all about Joni [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds ["mack watson-bush" ] Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' [javaluvr@mts.net] RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' [Catherine McKay ] Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' [waytoblue@comcas] Re: LOTC [Garret ] Have you seen this? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds [jeannie ] Re: Have you seen this? [jeannie ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:54:08 +0100 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Joni's greatest songs, according to me Pretty much in the order I thought of them, although Hejira would be top by any reckoning. Hejira Amelia Song for Sharon Shades of Scarlett Conquering Help Me The Silky Veills of Ardor The Wolf that Lives in Lindsay Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Chinese Cafe The Last Time I Saw Richard Furry Sings the Blues Woodstock (LOTC version, faded out before she starts yowling at the end) River A Case Of You The Boho Dance Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:50:15 +0100 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds OK, my "top" ten Joni duds, in no particular order: Sex Kills Dancing Clown Reoccurring Dream Lead Balloon Sire of Sorrow, Travelogue version (I hate Travelogue, and this is the worst of all, simply ghastly) The Windfall (ugly, tuneless, vindictive - everything Joni's best music is not) Yvette in English Snakes and Ladders No Apologies (first verse is strong, the rest is awful) The Only Joy in Town (that repeated "Botticelli black boy" really grates for some reason) Azeem in London NPIMH: Some of the wonders in my "best list" which I'll post next On 5/24/07, Debra wrote: > > --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > > > The only song I never want to hear, but am not sure > > it's a dud, is "Talk to Me." That's like nails on a > > chalkboard. Ouch. > > -------------------------- > > Oh, I love that song! I just love everything about > > it. Ah well, to each > > his own. > > Interesting, isn't it? Music is obviously not just a > bunch of notes. I don't like hearing Joni or any woman > begging for attention as she does in that song. But > other people don't hear it that way. Yep, to each her > own. > > Debra Shea > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Got > a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=summer+activities+for+kids&cs=bz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:00:58 +0100 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: "Memo to Joni Mitchell: Stop bloody whingeing" - Word magazine Following the recent cover story about Joni and the mixed reception the interview received, you may be infuriated/amused to read that there's a letter in the current edition making some of the points that were raised on the list. And no, it's not from me! I almost did write in to vent about what a conceited knob Rufus Wainwright came across as in last month's edition, but assumed someone else would, so didn't. I honestly didn't read it intending to be riled (he's a fascinating man, and does have some interesting things to say), but even his biggest fan would be hard pressed to suppress an urge to slap some of that narcissism out of him. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 06:29:24 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Herbie Hancock to release a CD of Joni Covers Here's what came up in my Google alerts: http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A247972 Hancock sets out to prove that theory on his upcoming record, due out in October. Although it's based loosely on something he's done before, he says he prefers to do things with no template. "That's harder, and I like the challenge of doing things the hard way, which is kinda stupid," he laughs. Hancock lifted the template for the next release from his 1998 album, Gershwin's World, but this one will be based on Joni Mitchell's world instead. With Gershwin's World, Hancock concentrated not only on Gershwin himself, but the world the composer lived in and the music he was surrounded by. "That's why there's a Duke Ellington tune on it, because it's based off of rhythm changes  which is 'I Got Rhythm.' And there's a [Maurice] Ravel piece because Ravel and Gershwin were friends, and they influenced each other." Mitchell also appeared on the record. Most of the songs on the as-yet-unnamed disc will be Joni Mitchell's songs, but there will be some songs associated with music or artists that either influenced Mitchell or that she influenced one way or the other. "That's why I'm saying it's not a complete template," Hancock says. "The challenge is, how am I going to realize each piece? How is that going to be described?" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com http://www.sensibleshoes.vox.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:35:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' Kelly wrote most of the new songs on her new cd. She was wonderful singing the Sgt. Pepper's tribute last night. And Green Day's Working Class Hero was particularly spectacular. It isn't all dreadful. > I have a shorter answer: she writes her own songs. > > I find American Idol dreadful. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > est86mlm@ameritech.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:43 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' > > Check out this Kelly Clarkson News article > > http://www.celebritypro.com/news/kelly_clarkson/May07feed/Why_Joni_Mitchell_ > Could_Never_Be_An_American_Idol.rss.htm > or > http://ypulse.com/archives/2007/05/why_joni_mitche.php > > I love Joni Mitchell -- her songs are poetry, and the perfect soundtrack > to a rainy day when you're curled up with a great book and cup of hot tea > or driving down the northern california coast on a sunny day with the > windows open. By today's standards, Joni probably wouldn't have made the > final cut on "American Idol." She wouldn't have gotten nearly as many > endorsements as Beyonce (not that she would have wanted them). And she > wouldn't have made a sexy music video like Shakira or posed topless for > Blender like Avril Lavigne. According to this AP story, having "it" all > for women in music means talent and looks. From the article: > > Today, it's hard to find a singer larger than a size 6 and > without a sexy look -- all of which are played up with sensuous > videos, modeling spreads and magazine covers. Lavigne, who once > scoffed at singers who stripped for the cameras, fronts the new > issue of Blender topless save for a strategically placed banner > that reads "Hell Yeah, I'm, Hot!'" > > The hit reality show Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the > Next Doll is a striking example. In finding a replacement for > current lead doll, stunner Nicole Scherzinger, the judging panel > -- which included the cosmetically enhanced rapper Lil' Kim -- > did talk about vocal qualities. But while a few contestants had > strong voices, all were taut, toned and sexy, and the focus was > more on their dancing and overall desirability. > > Even singers who are heralded for talent are gorgeous, like > Alicia Keys, Corinne Bailey Rae or Norah Jones. > > The article goes on to ask: > > Where are the Patsy Clines of today? More often than not on > smaller, underground labels, which put more of a premium on > talent. Gerson said small labels may be the best path to success > for a woman who doesn't look like a Barbie doll. > > Even American Idol Kelly Clarkson has been getting lots of blowback for > putting on weight and was given a hard time by her label about her new > album, which they said was too dark. Amy Winehouse seems to be an > exception (I think she's georgeous but in a very non-conventional way). I > also wonder if this issue has affected Pink's success...This story just > bummed me out. > > Posted by anastasia > > Laura > > NJC - below > Get a FREE flourescent bulb > Go to: http://better.yahoo.com/planet/ > Click on 'Raise Your Hand' and take the pledge to help the planet by > being more 'green' conscious. > If you have a Yahoo account...sign in.....if not, you will have to > register. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:13:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Herbie Hancock to release a CD of Joni Covers Way cool, Deb - thanks for passing that along. I went to Herbie's official site, and it makes no mention of the new project anywhere - hopefully now that the cat is out of the bag there will be some updates. I thought "Gershwin's World" was really nice, so I'm sure this project will also be very cool. I'm anxious to see who all will be collaborating. Bob, cub reporter on the case NP: Joni, "Woodstock" (MOA) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Joni's got it set in stone....and it shall only grow..... >-Monika > The kids of today should be out there buying Bob Dylan CD's, Joni Mitchell CD's , Beatles CD's, Paul Simon CD's, music of QUALITY... instead of the garbage that is so popular today... _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:02:56 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' I'm sorry, it just seems to me to be a cross between Ted Mack's amateur hour and a karaoke bar. I'll admit I have not watched a whole show, but I did see the bloodless Tina Turner number by the gal you all thought should have won, the dorky hip hop by the guy who was runner up, and the schmaltz by the gal who did win. I have enough good music to listen to without having to pay attention to those retreads. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 7:36 AM To: Richard Flynn; est86mlm@ameritech.net; Joni List Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' Kelly wrote most of the new songs on her new cd. She was wonderful singing the Sgt. Pepper's tribute last night. And Green Day's Working Class Hero was particularly spectacular. It isn't all dreadful. > I have a shorter answer: she writes her own songs. > > I find American Idol dreadful. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > est86mlm@ameritech.net > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:43 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' > > Check out this Kelly Clarkson News article > > http://www.celebritypro.com/news/kelly_clarkson/May07feed/Why_Joni_Mitchell_ > Could_Never_Be_An_American_Idol.rss.htm > or > http://ypulse.com/archives/2007/05/why_joni_mitche.php > > I love Joni Mitchell -- her songs are poetry, and the perfect soundtrack > to a rainy day when you're curled up with a great book and cup of hot tea > or driving down the northern california coast on a sunny day with the > windows open. By today's standards, Joni probably wouldn't have made the > final cut on "American Idol." She wouldn't have gotten nearly as many > endorsements as Beyonce (not that she would have wanted them). And she > wouldn't have made a sexy music video like Shakira or posed topless for > Blender like Avril Lavigne. According to this AP story, having "it" all > for women in music means talent and looks. From the article: > > Today, it's hard to find a singer larger than a size 6 and > without a sexy look -- all of which are played up with sensuous > videos, modeling spreads and magazine covers. Lavigne, who once > scoffed at singers who stripped for the cameras, fronts the new > issue of Blender topless save for a strategically placed banner > that reads "Hell Yeah, I'm, Hot!'" > > The hit reality show Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the > Next Doll is a striking example. In finding a replacement for > current lead doll, stunner Nicole Scherzinger, the judging panel > -- which included the cosmetically enhanced rapper Lil' Kim -- > did talk about vocal qualities. But while a few contestants had > strong voices, all were taut, toned and sexy, and the focus was > more on their dancing and overall desirability. > > Even singers who are heralded for talent are gorgeous, like > Alicia Keys, Corinne Bailey Rae or Norah Jones. > > The article goes on to ask: > > Where are the Patsy Clines of today? More often than not on > smaller, underground labels, which put more of a premium on > talent. Gerson said small labels may be the best path to success > for a woman who doesn't look like a Barbie doll. > > Even American Idol Kelly Clarkson has been getting lots of blowback for > putting on weight and was given a hard time by her label about her new > album, which they said was too dark. Amy Winehouse seems to be an > exception (I think she's georgeous but in a very non-conventional way). I > also wonder if this issue has affected Pink's success...This story just > bummed me out. > > Posted by anastasia > > Laura > > NJC - below > Get a FREE flourescent bulb > Go to: http://better.yahoo.com/planet/ > Click on 'Raise Your Hand' and take the pledge to help the planet by > being more 'green' conscious. > If you have a Yahoo account...sign in.....if not, you will have to > register. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:39:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' Kids from Bye Bye Birdie, written in 1959 Kids! I don't know what's wrong with these kids today! Kids! Who can understand anything they say? Kids! They a disobedient, disrespectful oafs! Noisy, crazy, dirty, lazy, loafers! While we're on the subject: Kids! You can talk and talk till your face is blue! Kids! But they still just do what they want to do! Why can't they be like we were, Perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today? Kids! I've tried to raise him the best I could Kids! Kids! Laughing, singing, dancing, grinning, morons! And while we're on the subject! Kids! They are just impossible to control! Kids! With their awful clothes and their rock an' roll! Why can't they dance like we did What's wrong with Sammy Caine? What's the matter with kids today! >> From: Motitan@aol.com >> Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >> To: est86mlm@ameritech.net, joni@smoe.org >> Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' >> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 00:00:34 EDT > >> And the Beyonces and the Avril's and all of them will come and go. >> They >> may dazzle the 12 year olds of today but those 12 year olds will grow up >> and >> move on. In fact, I'm embarrassed to be around the same age, if not the >> same age, as Avril Lavigne. Their names, let alone their music, will not >> be >> remembered. Joni's got it set in stone....and it shall only grow..... >> -Monika >> > > The kids of today should be out there buying Bob Dylan CD's, Joni > Mitchell CD's , Beatles CD's, Paul Simon CD's, music of QUALITY... instead > of the garbage that is so popular today... > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_ > HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:46:38 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds I've always been nutty about Raised on Robbery - it's one of the few (if not the only) straight-up rock n' roll Joni songs, and it even contains all the lyrical elements; sex, booze, sports and fast cars. Her multi-tracked harmony vocals are amazing in that Andrew Sisters "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" way. I don't see the character as being a prostitute as much as she's just a hard-livin' barfly party girl, although it can certainly be interpreted that way. As far as Joni's duds, sure-she's had some, but you can say the same for Dylan, Paul Simon, Stevie Wonder, any of them. I'd be hard-pressed to come up with enough to fill an album. Bob NP: Roxana Amed, "Hotel Room" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:47:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' ha! bloodless! and sweatless and tearless, as well. but at least it had some technical merit. She's good for what she does: backup singer. I fear she (Melinda) is too "tame" to ever have a real edge to her. And we do demand an edge, don't we? Em ps: the only reason I'm even aware of this at all, is that my partner watches it - our house is only 700 sq. feet, and it bleeds and seeps into my consciousness, inevitably. (and usually regrettably) - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I'm sorry, it just seems to me to be a cross between Ted Mack's > amateur hour > and a karaoke bar. I'll admit I have not watched a whole show, but I > did > see the bloodless Tina Turner number by the gal you all thought > should have > won, the dorky hip hop by the guy who was runner up, and the schmaltz > by the > gal who did win. I have enough good music to listen to without having > to pay > attention to those retreads. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' - --- anon anon wrote: > The kids of today should be out there buying Bob Dylan CD's, Joni > Mitchell CD's , Beatles CD's, Paul Simon CD's, music of QUALITY... > instead > of the garbage that is so popular today... its really impossible to tell kids what to listen to. Remember? However, I do wish that underground music (indie label stuff) would creep just a *bit* more to the forefront. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:14:36 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: The way I see it- my review on A tribute to Joni Mitchell I believe the time has come for me to give my personal review on this one month aniversery of "A tribute to Joni Mitchell" "A Free man in Paris," well Sufjan I believe you ! I believe that no one was calling you up for favours - and that you had no one's future to decide. I think maybe I believe you more than I believe Joni. Going Cafi to Cabarets - well I feel you're heading out. Slendering thougtless about. You're lazy - and it's okay. You're an artist. Your in your right to be lazy, if that's what it takes for to sing softly to me. And i love those manic trumpets that are playing up towards the refrain. A great cover if you ask me. Imagine this cover was the opening number at last year's tribute to Joni concert. I'm sure all of us would have fallen flat in admiration and that the song would really brighten our minds. "Boho dance" Bjvrk you always leave your tatoo on songs that you touch. Your icelandic accent always get through - and I'm so glad it does. 'cause I find your voice soothing and your intonation and your accent perfect and it really suits Boho dance. "When I was workong cheap" - Yeah a long time ago since you've been working cheap - but it seems like you remeber it quite clear, still. Cectano Veloso: This is a new name for me. But I think you do Dremaland very good. I'm sure some world music lover's could grasp your version - and maybe discover Joni's music throught it. Maybe...I love the rhytms - the felling - the flow, "Don't interruot the sorrow" Brad Mehldau: It took me a couple of listenings to really recognize where it started and where it ended. But now this is one of the song that really is playing on and on in my head. The best thing, though, is that it lacks vocals, and so I can fill in with my beautiful voice and bits of text that I remeber. "Anima rising - wash and balance me" "For the roses," Cassandra Wilson. Again I'd like to draw your attention to last years tribute concert. Imagine Cassandra Wilson sitting ut there. Alone. Maybe on a chair "getting us to feel like that" Oh - we would be thrilled. We'd been blown away. I know I would. "Up the charts - off to the airport. Your names in the news. Everything's first class"--- Cassandra sings this from her own experience. I can hear that. And as you already see from the former songs, that is for me a sign of quality. "A case of you" If I should ever cover Joni - I would never have covered "A case of you" Why? It's obvious - it's impossible to cover "A case of you" Joni has two astonishing versions you could never do as good as her anyway....But then Prince, he does'nt care. He sings it anyways. He skips the first and the last verse, but hey he sings. HE SINGS HIS SOUL OUT- in that second verse. It's great. He IS a LONELY PAINTER he does live in A BOX OF PAINTS. I'm sure Prince got all his musical and emotional education from Joni - I know he love "Hissing of summer lawns" but he's bound to have had his years with blue too. This is maybe the highlight of the cd for me! "Blue" Sarah McLachlan. This one is maybe one of my least favorites on the album - but I think maybe that has something to do with my knowledge on JOni's perception of Sarah Mclachlan. She hates Sara McLachlan. If I had been Sarah McLachlan - I would never ever have the nerve to join a tribute CD to someone who despised me. So I'll give credit to Sarah for that - for her daring. And after a couple of listenings I do enjoy this one too. Blue has never been my favourite song - but I think Sarah Mclachlan does a good try. Well done. "Ladies of the Canyon" Since I have no idea on how Joni percieves Annie Lennox (I guess she doesn't attend her fan club...) I just LIKE this version. I love the arrangement. It is a song that makes me smile. And I like Annie Lennox' voice. Great that this one is on a tribute CD, it's definately not one of Joni's most well known songs, and I think maybe this one can lead aspiring Joni fans to buy "Ladies of the canyon" And then we can begin to talk ... ! "The Magdalende Laundries" Emmylou Harris - well even Joni can't dislike you, you're too good, too profesionnal, too human. I think this is a perfect match, perfect song - text - voice, you do it in your way, and you do it as good as Joni, Emmylou. I love the way you sing flirt, or whisper it. Not any spring, Emmylou . Thanks ! Another highlight on the CD. "Edith and the Kingpin" I don't know about how Joni feels about you, Elvis, but i know that you love Joni. And love counts. Your version of Edit.." is a bit loooong. But I forgive you. You love Joni. You even portect her from the cruel world when they want to compare her to Sarah Maclaclan. You just tell them: "She is always compared with the wrong people." I'm sure Joni loves you for that. Well, untill she starts to diss Diana Krall, I certainly hope that wont happen... "Help me" k.d.lang: A bit of a superficial version of a superficial song - still worth a smile :-) "River" James Taylor. This one is great. As Prince does on "A case of you" - Taylor also makes River his own song. He skips the jingle bells intro and ending and does this other melody instead . And he twist the words a bit - he gone and lost best baby - but he says it in another way, can't remeber it right her. A lovly ending to a great album. In Norway the album recieved great reviews. One reviewer in Aftenposten stated that he hoped this aLbum would inspire Joni to get back to studio and produce some inspired new material. On this list all know she is back in the studio - so we'll just have to hang on his wishes that her new material will be good. Go, Joni, go go go ! Love, Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:31:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: coyote Was watching a bit of The Right Stuff last night. In the beginning Sam Sheppard rides a horse pretty well like he knows what he is doing (some of it is a stunt rider but some of it looks clearly to be him). A little bit later he howls a few times like a coyote! I know that the evidence is out there that has already established that SS is Coyote so this is just a bit more trivia to underline that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:32:07 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Herbie Hancock's new CD all about Joni Wow! This is some interesting news. Go to: http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=247972 for the complete article. ..............................." Hancock sets out to prove that theory on his upcoming record, due out in October. Although it's based loosely on something he's done before, he says he prefers to do things with no template. "That's harder, and I like the challenge of doing things the hard way, which is kinda stupid," he laughs. Hancock lifted the template for the next release from his 1998 album, Gershwin's World, but this one will be based on Joni Mitchell's world instead. With Gershwin's World, Hancock concentrated not only on Gershwin himself, but the world the composer lived in and the music he was surrounded by. "That's why there's a Duke Ellington tune on it, because it's based off of rhythm changes  which is 'I Got Rhythm.' And there's a [Maurice] Ravel piece because Ravel and Gershwin were friends, and they influenced each other." Mitchell also appeared on the record. Most of the songs on the as-yet-unnamed disc will be Joni Mitchell's songs, but there will be some songs associated with music or artists that either influenced Mitchell or that she influenced one way or the other. "That's why I'm saying it's not a complete template," Hancock says. "The challenge is, how am I going to realize each piece? How is that going to be described?"................................... Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:31:13 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds This is sure to make some feathers fly. lol. 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after reading how much it means to so many. Just don't get it.) 2. Blue Motel Room (garbage) 3. Sistowbell Lane (like fingernails on a chalkboard) 4. All of Chalkmark in a Rainstorm (what little I can make out of it.) The person that finalized this album should be shot. Was thinking the other day I should read the lyrics, they are probably marvelous. A shame that they are caught up in such over production. Can't believe Joni let this one out of the shop. 5. 1/2 of the album Mingus. Two or three others that I can't think of at the moment and don't have the interest to look them up. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 05:26:06 -0700 From: javaluvr@mts.net Subject: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' The answer is found in the question -- Joni could never be an American Idol because she is not American. She's Canadian. We have our own "Canadian Idol" up here, but it's even crappier than the American one. Did she not say in an interview, I think Reader's Digest, that she watched American Idol once and found it unbearable? Bad karaoke, I think she said. She said those contestants weren't artists. I agree. I liked Neil Young's answer better, he thought American Idol was "shit". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' I never used to watch any TV at all until we moved from our house into a small apartment. Now I have no sanctuary (except for my room, but will need a lock to keep the kids out!) so I got sucked into watching a lot of crap I would never have been caught dead watching before - including American Idol. And I had no intention of watching it last night (why bother? and why drag it out over two hours?) but my daughter was watching, and I had just wrecked my back and couldn't do anything anyway but sit semi-comatose watching crap TV. Must get my life back. - --- Em wrote: > ha! bloodless! and sweatless and tearless, as well. > but at least it had some technical merit. She's good > for what she does: > backup singer. > I fear she (Melinda) is too "tame" to ever have a > real edge to her. And > we do demand an edge, don't we? > Em > ps: the only reason I'm even aware of this at all, > is that my partner > watches it - our house is only 700 sq. feet, and it > bleeds and seeps > into my consciousness, inevitably. (and usually > regrettably) > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:36:49 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' If Joni was 16 or so she could audition just like anyone else...I don't think being Canadian would preclude her if she was in L.A. or whereever. American Idol may not be everything its hyped up to be but I think overall its a positive thing and better than nothing at all. If it's getting kids to sing or aspire to be singers then I'm all for it. I don't think having an overtly negative attitude towards anything is helpful or constructive. Victor -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: javaluvr@mts.net > RE: Why Joni Mitchell Could Never Be An 'American Idol' > > The answer is found in the question -- Joni could never be an American > Idol because she is not American. She's Canadian. > > We have our own "Canadian Idol" up here, but it's even crappier than the > American one. > > Did she not say in an interview, I think Reader's Digest, that she > watched American Idol once and found it unbearable? Bad karaoke, I think > she said. She said those contestants weren't artists. I agree. I liked > Neil Young's answer better, he thought American Idol was "shit". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:22:49 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: LOTC I love this album. Often i play it early in the day. It strikes me as the perfect morning album. It sounds good with coffee in one hand, a croissant in the oven, and a sweeping brush in the other hand (for sweeping, not standing in as a microphone) while the sun shines into the kitchen. I really like Blue Boy. The song i would skip on this album is Circle Game. It goes on forever;-) LOTC always reminds me of LOTR - Lord of the Rings (and FTR is sometimes Fellowship of the Ring in my mind). GARRET NP - nothing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:52:16 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Have you seen this? I was at the library today doing some research for something on the computer when I got done early so I decided to check out YouTube. I had seen this before last time I went but had not watched it: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni Mitchell parody and I must say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long as there's something to it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've seen good things be parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap film. Sure, they are poking fun at metal but also at musicians in general. That is done well! One of my favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not funny. Just dumb, bottom of the barrel humor. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:36:31 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Joni's Top Ten Duds I respect your opinion and understand where you may be coming from because it sounds just like my mother. On the other hand, I love the beat of the black wings on Chalkmark In A Rainstorm and I love the way Joni and the dancers move to that beat, like clockwork, on the music video to the song. Jean - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > This is sure to make some feathers fly. lol. > > 1. Amelia (hate it, have tried to find it after > reading how much it means > to so many. Just don't get it.) > > 2. Blue Motel Room (garbage) > > 3. Sistowbell Lane (like fingernails on a > chalkboard) > > 4. All of Chalkmark in a Rainstorm (what little I > can make out of it.) The > person that finalized this album should be shot. > Was thinking the other day > I should read the lyrics, they are probably > marvelous. A shame that they > are caught up in such over production. Can't > believe Joni let this one out > of the shop. > > 5. 1/2 of the album Mingus. > > Two or three others that I can't think of at the > moment and don't have the > interest to look them up. > > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:02 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Have you seen this? Hi Monika, I hadn't seen it before. The parody is so damned tacky that it's embarrassing to me. What was Belushi thinking? jeannie - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I was at the library today doing some research for > something on the computer > when I got done early so I decided to check out > YouTube. I had seen this > before last time I went but had not watched it: > _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY_ > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceJ0DCv9upY) > This is a National Lampoon's thing. It's a Joni > Mitchell parody and I must > say it's not funny. Now I can handle parody as long > as there's something to > it. If it's smart and funny I'll laugh along. I've > seen good things be > parodied before, take for example the Spinal Tap > film. Sure, they are poking fun > at metal but also at musicians in general. That is > done well! One of my > favorite movies if I do say so. But that was not > funny. Just dumb, bottom of > the barrel humor. > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #158 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)