From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #155 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 155 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Banquet [Mark-Leon Thorne ] SV: Banquet ["Marion Leffler" ] SV: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni's Greatest songs? [Jerry Notaro ] LOTC [Mark-Leon Thorne ] 2 books about Joni ["anon anon" ] RE : Re: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? [Joseph Palis ] Re: LOTC ["Randy Remote" ] Re: LOTC ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] Joni's Top Ten Duds ["Richard Flynn" ] "Just Ice" album ["Patti Parlette" ] More About The Tribute CD [PassScribe@aol.com] Overused questions [Motitan@aol.com] Re: "Just Ice" album & Hejira ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:26:50 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Banquet OMG Patti. This sounds more like a Communist Party induction dinner. So, everyone pays the same amount but some only get water and rice? I'm with that disgruntled kid. Talk about hungry young children. Mark in Sydney NP World On Fire - Above & Beyond ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:19:29 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Banquet Communist? More like capitalist to me! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Mark-Leon Thorne Skickat: den 21 maj 2007 09:27 Till: loveuconn@hotmail.com Kopia: JMDL Dmne: Re: Banquet OMG Patti. This sounds more like a Communist Party induction dinner. So, everyone pays the same amount but some only get water and rice? I'm with that disgruntled kid. Talk about hungry young children. Mark in Sydney NP World On Fire - Above & Beyond ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:32:54 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? She says herself (on the WOFAM-dvd) that she felt she already had some life experience when she wrote the song, and indeed, she did. She had had a child, given her up for adoption, gotten married to a man she could not stay with and eventually divorced - that's a lot for a 21 year old. More than average, anyway. As for being cocky and know-it-all at 21 - I never was, of course (smiley!) but my sons were! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 21 maj 2007 02:36 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? Like I said before, I can't judge the newer BSN but I can say this. You're absolutely right that the orchestral BSN has a lifetime of experience behind it which helps project its meaning. It fits, doesn't it? As for the '69 version, well that has something interesting about it too. Joni first wrote that, what? When she was 21 or so I believe I have read? Are you really experience at 21? Do you really know all that much about life and love or even are able to say you don't know anything at all about them? Yes and no I'd say. I don't know if you know much or don't know much about life but at 21 you DO THINK YOU KNOW EVERYTHING. Believe me when I say that. I know. It's such an interesting age and period in your life. People at this age are very cocky and presume to know everything....though..... - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:16:43 -0400 From: Chuck Eisenhardt Subject: '...to buy myself a mandolin.' an excerpt from Tim Brookes' most excellent book 'Guitar, an American Life'... While [George] Gruhn was getting started in Nashville, Stan Jay, an immensely likable, irrepressibly cheerful guy looking exactly like an elf supervisor in Santa's workshop, was selling instruments out of his apartment on the waterfront in Staten Island. 'You had to walk up a narrow stairway papered in that deep textured wine red that one generally associates with certain houses in New Orleans. One stepped from the landing into our showroom, that anybody else would call their living room. On the left was the dining room with the 1920's round oak lion's-claw table About 50 guitars, banjos, and mandolins hung from three walls. On the outside wall they were positioned over a circa 1900 rococo upholstered couch, on which Joni Mitchell fell in love with the 1915 Gibson K-4 mandocello that inspired her to write that legendary song to her friend, about going to Staten Island 'to buy myself a mandolin.' listening assignment: Do we ever hear Joni playing mandocello.... ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:54:09 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? Definitely prefer the new one--in fact when it came out, it was almost as if I discovered the song. JM's changed voice--deeper, huskier, seeming (to me) to have a rich and difficult lifetime audible in it--really changed BSN for me. By the time I started listening to JM, that song had already been covered so much, and was such a hit for Judy Collins (I owned the single), that it seemed unremarkable. And cliched. But the orchestral version changed all that for me. I also loved the orchestral version of A Case of You. I want to post about my favorite 15 songs but since joining this list I am in the process of discovering a lot of JM music I didn't know and want to listen to it before committing. - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:56:09 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni's Greatest songs? I really did start listing them and then felt foolish. There were just way too many, at least on my list. How can you limit to one list the greatest songwriter of her generation. On another, but related note, I finally got a chance to watch The Women of Tin Pan Alley last night. It came in a set with the American Experience series with Leonard Bernstein and Richard Rodgers. It had an appearance by our very own David Lahm looking handsome and studious. His mother, Dorothy Fields, was a great lyricist and a major figure in the documentary. It made me think how astonishing a thing it was that Joni succeeded when just a generation before her women struggled so hard to be heard and published. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:50:47 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: LOTC A lot of people have mentioned that Ladies of The Canyon is their least favourite of Joni's albums lately. It has always been my least favourite of Joni's early albums too. Not that I dislike it. The songs just never grabbed me like those on Blue or Clouds. I have gained a new appreciation for it though through the covers. I have been compiling all my favourite covers from each album and making up my own tribute albums for each of Joni's albums. Only two are complete and burned onto disc; Court and Spark and Hejira. LOTC is almost complete (just The Arrangement is missing) Thanks mainly to Bob, I have learned to love these songs more. Here's my tribute compilation for Ladies of The Canyon so far: 1. Morning Morgantown - Restless Wind 2. For Free - Matthew Luke Sandoval 3. Conversation - Doris Hardoon 4. Ladies of The Canyon - Annie Lennox 5. Willy - Richard Isen 6. Rainy Night House - Stephen Fretwell 7. The Priest - Christine Tobin Band 8. Blue Boy - Jack Neilson 9. Big Yellow Taxi - Counting Crows 10. Woodstock - Mathews Southern Comfort Band 11. The Circle Game - Jim Harmon The two that are completed are: Court & Spark 1. Court and Spark - Will Carroll 2. Help Me - Wynonna Judd 3. Free Man In Paris - Jennifer Scott 4. People's Parties - Moishe Lichtfuss 5. Same Situation - Gregson & Collister 6. Car On a Hill - Lionheart 7. Down To You - Lydia Van Dam 8. Just Like This Train - Andrew Hardin 9. Raised On Robbery - The Whims 10. Trouble Child - Freddie White 11. Twisted - Lambert, Hicks & Ross Hejira 1. Coyote - Kate Fingerson 2. Amelia - Elena Rowell 3. Furry Sings The Blues - Holly Shelton and The Backroom Boys 4. A Strange Boy - Sisterboy 5. Hejira - A Bird That Whistles 6. Song For Sharon - The Uptown Trio 7. Black Crow - Cassandra Wilson 8. Blue Motel Room - Karren Allyson 9. Refuge of The Roads - Yoghill Mark in Sydney NP Conversation - Doris Hardoon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:35:02 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: 2 books about Joni First I want to tell everyone about a book I saw at the book store called "Elvis costello, Joni Mitchell and the torch song tradition"... I skimmed through the book, and it looked pretty interesting to me... maybe I'll read it at some point... And, I want to remind anyone who didn't read my other post about it, to check out the book "court and spark"... It's part of the 33 and a third book series that discusses major pop albums... It's an interesting examination of the songs in Joni's "Court and spark" album... _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:50:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: SV: Both Sides Now, now or then? I don't want to sound sacrilegious but I am not really a huge fan of "Both Sides, Now". Just me. Having said that, I would have to say that I also prefer the orchestral version of the song. The (dramatic but sometimes overdone) orchestral arrangement of Vince Mendoza put into canvass the lyrics and inherent beauty of the song. I like the way she sing/speaks "I really don't know love at all" towards the end. And when that song was used in "Love Actually" with Emma Thompson's heart being broken while the song is played diegetically, I was moved too. Although I have seen that "Emma moment" before in "Howards End", I thought this time it was more appropriate. AJ, I also like the orchestral version of "A Case of You" -- more than the orchestral version of BSN. She's like Billie in 1959. Joseph, Chapel Hill np: Gustavo Santaolalla - Gaucho - --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:46:24 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Joni's Greatest songs? Deb, I think in church they say something like "It doesn't matter how you find the pew." Or maybe that's AA. Anyway, yeah, ditto. I think of it this way; as a listener changes, different songs become relevant. Jim L. From: Deb Messling >Willy and Two Grey Rooms, were not even in my radar until the last year or so ... Imagine something that takes 30 years to percolate. Either I'm very dull or some of these songs are very subtle. Or both. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: LOTC I don't think a lot about LOTC as one of my fave Joni's, but everytime I play it I absolutely love it. "Blue Boy" being the exception - I'm not too crazy about that one (although I love Jack Neilson's take on it). "Conversation" and "The Arrangement" hit me hard every time. And her piano work on the album is just breathtaking. As for Cover 'albums' - you can also assemble one for Clouds, Blue, & HOSL (thanks to Brad Mehldau & Bjork). A couple others are only (1) track away from being completely covered. Bob NP: Joni, "Otis & Marlena" (DJRD version) - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:30:10 EDT From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Greatest songs? I couldn't resist! 1. The Dawntreader ( Travelogue Version ) 2. Passion Play 3. Shiny Toys 4. The Drycleaner From Des Moines 5. Turbulent Indigo 6. For The Roses 7. Peoples Parties 8. Off Night Backstreet 9. Carey 10.Edith and The Kingpin 11.Both Sides Now ( BSN Version ) 12.Conversation 13.I Think I Understand 14.Moon At The Window 15.Hejira Whew that was not an easy list to make... Jonily Yours, Warren Keith ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:30:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: 2 books about Joni I've read it, it's pretty heavy going but an extremely enjoyable read, dissecting EVERY one of Joni's songs in detail. I never did finish the EC portion of the book but I did make it through all the Joni. Bob NP: Ani, "Little Plastic Castle" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:51:26 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: LOTC Has always been right up there with Blue and For the Roses for me. It is my best friend Frank's favorite Joni album. Jerry > I don't think a lot about LOTC as one of my fave Joni's, but everytime I > play it I absolutely love it. "Blue Boy" being the exception - I'm not too > crazy about that one (although I love Jack Neilson's take on it). > "Conversation" and "The Arrangement" hit me hard every time. And her piano > work on the album is just breathtaking. > > As for Cover 'albums' - you can also assemble one for Clouds, Blue, & HOSL > (thanks to Brad Mehldau & Bjork). A couple others are only (1) track away > from being completely covered. > > Bob > > NP: Joni, "Otis & Marlena" (DJRD version) > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:52:52 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: LOTC LOTC was the first Joni album I heard all the way through. I still think it is a remarkable album that cemented her stature as a songwriter. The organic production (or lack of) lets the material shine. Her voice was very pure then, her attitude confident. Great piano, and more open-tuning guitar. Funny you mentioned "Blue Boy", that was the only song I didn't like initially, though I eventually came to like it. (One of Joni's homely children?). The title track seems a little dated; granola-soaked granny-dressed long-haired earth mother goddesses... hmmm..not a bad dream... RR From: >I don't think a lot about LOTC as one of my fave Joni's, but everytime I > play it I absolutely love it. "Blue Boy" being the exception - I'm not too > crazy about that one (although I love Jack Neilson's take on it). > "Conversation" and "The Arrangement" hit me hard every time. And her piano > work on the album is just breathtaking. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:01:50 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: LOTC I think you're right on target Randy, as usual. LOTC was my 3rd Joni album and will always remain a favorite. I'll always play it before Blue. When I was ripping the newer HDCD versions and correcting the sound imbalances I don't like I realized something I hadn't before. Now correct me if I'm wrong here but part of what probably attached me to his album was that it was the first one that Joni really did "piano" songs on. There's a piano on Night In The City but nothing like what showed up on LOTC. Dated lyrics or not it's still a great album and Conversation will always remain one of my 5 most favorite Joni tracks. Amazing that after nearly 40 years you still find new things about Joni's catalogue you hadn't realized before. Bruce > LOTC was the first Joni album I heard all the way > through. I still think it is a remarkable album that > cemented her stature as a songwriter. The organic > production (or lack of) lets the material shine. > Her voice was very pure then, her attitude confident. > Great piano, and more open-tuning guitar. > Funny you mentioned "Blue Boy", that was the only > song I didn't like initially, though I eventually came > to like it. (One of Joni's homely children?). The > title track seems a little dated; granola-soaked > granny-dressed long-haired earth mother goddesses... > hmmm..not a bad dream... > RR > > From: > >> I don't think a lot about LOTC as one of my fave Joni's, but everytime I >> play it I absolutely love it. "Blue Boy" being the exception - I'm >> not too >> crazy about that one (although I love Jack Neilson's take on it). >> "Conversation" and "The Arrangement" hit me hard every time. And her >> piano >> work on the album is just breathtaking. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:59:15 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Joni's Top Ten Duds In no particular order: Raised on Robbery Orchestral version of BSN (except when accompanying Emma Thompson's acting) Orchestral version of Case of You Tax Free Lakota Facelift Ladies' Man Man to Man Dancin' Clown Not to Blame Taming the Tiger Dishonorable mention: MOA performance of The Last Time I Saw Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:05:42 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: "Just Ice" album Bonneville Bruce wrote: "Thanks Jerry and Randy, I like this because it is just Joni and her guitars, and I love the stories that go with "Cherokee Lousie", "Magdalena Laundries", and "Sex Kills". Good set all around." Oui, oui -- thanks to all three of you for bringing this up and elaborating on it. I actually have this one. Last fall, at a People's Party, a nice man came up to me and said: "I have something for you" and handed me the hand-written CD cover. I was so surprised, because I hardly know him. He said: "I remember you talking about Joni Mitchell (imaginez-vous! moi?) at the last party and I came across this and thought you'd like it." Ha! It set up trembling in my bones! I just sent him your descriptions of it so he'd know more about the recording (that it is one of the better ones), as a kind of thank you. I love hearing Joni tell her stories about the germination/birth/inspiration of/for these songs. Not only are the stories extremely interesting, but I just love to hear her regular speaking voice. Speak again, bright angel! I like her cadence and accent and intelligence and....well, I guess I just like her "Joni-ness!" She says she is "bi-national" and talks about owning land in British Columbia. That reminds me: "that very good friend of mine" Alain who moved to San Diego and met Joni's friends in Vancouver? He was visiting here last week and saw my WWJD magnet and started laughing, and then spoke once again about his friends in Vancouver who "eat with Joni all the time". I pressed him for more information, but all he would say is that she has "eeeeenormous property" near their home because she doesn't want it developed. Alain is a rambler and can't stay on one topic too long, but I tried! I was reminded of his visit as I listened to the CD this morning on the way to work, when Joni talks about her land in BC and her caretaker Hans who told her that a lot of her songs are melancholy and she should write more songs in the daytime and I know I'm rambling like crazy...sorry....rushing! Anyway, I'm glad you brought this up because it made me go digging in my CDs to find it and it brought me joy this morning! xo, pp _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:26:33 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: More About The Tribute CD Okay, Bob, I'm ready to admit that Steven's version of "Free Man In Paris" is growing on me, but I really think of it as a completely different song than Joni's; I must have heard it a half dozen times already. What really strikes me about his version is how much it reminds me of the way a drum & bugle corps might perform it (I used to follow drum corps back in my younger days), especially when the horn section comes in around the middle of the song, but actually all the way through. Since I haven't purchased the Tribute CD yet (and still may not) you may wonder how I've gotten to hear FMIP so much, after all. Well, it seems that WFUV has been playing most (if not all, which I wouldn't know 'cause I'm not listening 24/7) of the songs from the tribute album ever since it came out. So, while I heard only a brief intro to each song on that internet site (hardly enough to make a judgement), I may have heard ALL the songs in their entirety while listening to my favorite radio station; now, how many people can say that? I heard Prince's version of "A Case Of You" today and thought it was a very lackluster performance; his vocals seemed very weak and almost inaudible, especially at the beginning. I hope to give that one another listen, judging by the positive reviews it seemed to get from some critics, so I can better make a decision. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:00:40 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Overused questions Well I always like to read interviews with Joni. I find a good part of them very fascinating but it does irk me that a lot of journalists ask the same questions over and over. I'm thinking about making a "banned questions" list to hand out to anyone interviewing her. Wouldn't you do a little research before interviewing her and try and find something new to ask? My banned question list thus far: - -Anything asking her about what it feels like to be Canadian or what she thinks of her nationality (I get it, she's Canadian) - -Any question that asks directly, "why do you hate the music industry?" - -Anything asking about Big Yellow Taxi....get over it already [Feel free to add to the list....I know there's more but this is just what popped into my head at the moment] As a matter of fact, I know you (everyone on this list) and I could ask better questions, do a better job than what those journalists are being paid for. What an idea it would be if we could submit questions to Joni and do an impromptu interview......or something just in writing to submit to her.......ah to dream! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:15:45 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: "Just Ice" album & Hejira Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! I listened to the last half of this on the night right home, and it was delightful. Delightful, I tell you! The beautiful version of Hejira, w/ a few new twists: "...the hope and the hopelessness I've witnessed for many many years..." (I'm not sure that's exactly what she said, but something like that, and the audience laughed). And she was Joni-on-the-spot funny and brilliant when, toward the end of the song, as she sang: "I'm travelling in some vehicle..." and then you could hear an ambulance siren in the background and she quipped, not missing a beat: "Not that one!" Oh, Joni -- you send me! Darling, you send me. Honest you do. LOL...I just ran out to my vehicle in the driveway (the CD is still in the Space Buggy) to rehear Hejira, (in my nightgown, Madwoman of Mansfield style, but luckily no neighbors drove right past that tragedy!) to make sure I got those quotes right. I was looking up at the stars and the matela moon, closed my eyes ("you can close your eyes, it's all right" -- JT & JM on mescaline) and re-lived the sacredness of hearing Hejira when I christened my brand new vehicle with Hejira. O Holy Night.* I feel re-baptized. I'm really glad you mentioned this CD, Bruce. Merci encore une fois. And I heard her exclaim as she drove out of sight: "Pleasant Joni dreamland to all, and to all a good night." Love & Peace, Patti P. *Down on your knees, Marianne! _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #155 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)