From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #146 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 13 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 146 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Tori. vs Bjork some joni content ["mike pritchard" ] SV: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago, now some joni content ["Marion Le] JM Tribute Audio review/interview [Bob Muller ] fre: four dead in Ohio, now Isle of Wight Festival DVD ["mike pritchard" ] RE: Man from Mars as period piece [djp ] Re: JM Tribute Audio review/interview ["Christian MACKOWSKI" ] SV: four dead in Ohio, now Isle of Wight Festival DVD ["Marion Leffler" <] Joni's lyrics ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Joni's lyrics ["AJ" ] Re: ["AJ" ] Re: Joni's lyrics [Bob Muller ] lauranyro.net [MattJones ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] concert northern california Joni? ["Marianne Rizzo" Subject: RE: Tori. vs Bjork some joni content Garret said >>I like Scarlet's Walk a lot, great moments include amber waves, a sorta fairytale, wednesday, taxi ride, mrs jesus, and gold dust. but the Beekeeper, oh cheeses, give me back my twenty euro it sucks hairy apples.<< Hi Garret, I bought Scarlet's Walk yesterday. The Catalan press went overboard on Rickie Lee Jones yesterday (she plays here next week I think) in a big splash which included RLJ's opinions of all her albums one by one. The Joni Tribute Album was also reviewed (3 out of 4 stars) same as Bjork's 'Volta' and Patti's 'Twelve'. Sally Shapiro got 4 stars, anyone ever heard of her? The big feature of the magazine I read was Rickie and the cover was the ulgiest photo I've ever seen of her. She looked dreadful. As usual, full of references to Tom Waits (is there anyone out there who doesn't know this already, and if so, why is it important now?). But I digress, as I do. Garret went on, as he does... ;-) >>Bjork. I love most of her albums. I would recommend Debut to anyone. It is still one of my most played albums all these years later. Big Time Sensuality, Anchor Song, Violently Happy - come on, amazing stuff. Post is wonderful. Isobel does it for me every time, her voice is amazing and the tune is haunting (Even in those versions where it is almost hidden behind the beats). The album Homogenic is wonderful (and for me this is where i start thinking, mmm, some of this reminds me of the Jungle Line) but i might not recommend that as a first listen except that the a-bloody-stounding All is Full Of Love is in there somewhere. Vespertine would be a good first Bjork album, but Medulla and Selma Songs, you might want to leave them for a while...<< I decided on 'Debut'. The sticker on the cover says 'debut + play dead' as if it were a different version of something earlier. Anyway, it has 12 tracks and I guess it's the original track line-up. I already had Vespertine and Selma Songs so I am, not for the first time in my life, strolling backwards to Bjorkdom. FYI, the last paragraph of the review says 'Anything by Bjork is a fantastic challenge to the conventions of musical language, but although in Volta she has journeyed further than ever, she has returned more lost than usual'. >>Bjork is headlining a festival that i have a ticket for a the end of the summer and i cannot wait. Very exciting.<< Enjoy it, and thanks for chipping in. mike in bcn, rueing that Muller and I didn't get a chance to kick Garret and Stryngs arses (again) in the song game at fest 2007. Maybe in 2008? Np Tori - Virginia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:36:08 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Smoke and more smoke That's awful, Jerry. Hope you can keep safe! Marion, keeping her fingers crossed - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr notaro@stpt.usf.edu Skickat: den 11 maj 2007 20:27 Till: jon i Dmne: Smoke and more smoke The smoke is so thick here in St. Petersburg I can hardly see the boats on the water from my office. We've just been informed it is so bad they fear the smoke alarms are going to go off so we have to shut off the sprinklers in case they do. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:49:21 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago, now some joni content Mike, I know this was a week ago so I am a bit late in asking - still I'd like to know more about the festival film, haven't seen it on sale in Sweden anywhere. What is it called? Where can I get it? Anybody who knows? Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr mike pritchard Skickat: den 5 maj 2007 16:38 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: list Dmne: Re: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago, now some joni content mike in bcn np Minuit - Khaled - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leffler" To: "'mike pritchard'" ; "'list'" Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 4:13 PM Subject: SV: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago, now some joni content My, how time does fly! I was in Britain then but couldn't make it to the festival. Later I read that it went sour and that Joni was given a bad time there. Is that how you remember it? And oh, those pirate radio hours, pressing my ears against the transistor radio, happy to make out which song was playing through all the disturbance...Who remembers Radio Luxembourg? Signing off before I get too nostalgic, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr mike pritchard Skickat: den 5 maj 2007 15:32 Till: list Dmne: Re: Four Dead in Ohio -- 37 years ago, now some joni content Neil Young's 'Ohio' was, along with War's 'Spill the Wine', banned on public radio in the UK when first released, although in north wales we listened mostly to pirate radio and had no problem listening to it, although all the songs had morse code in the background (they broadcast from ships in international waters). I remember that summer as the first solo album from Eric Clapton and my first taste of French beer in the town of Argeles sur mere. Two days after getting back from my first trip abroad (hitchhiking almost to the Franco-Spanish border at the age of 16) I set forth again to the Isle of Wight Festival. The rest is history. mike in barcelona np Coltrane - Traneing In ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 07:47:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: JM Tribute Audio review/interview http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2007/05/11#segment78764 An archived interview on WNYC, Leonard Lopate talks with Bob Hurwitz from Nonesuch and the Tribute CD. Bob NP: See above PS: I cringed when Hurwitz says that this is the first JM Tribute album when it's actually the 10th or so. - --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:05:37 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: fre: four dead in Ohio, now Isle of Wight Festival DVD >>Mike, I know this was a week ago so I am a bit late in asking - still I'd like to know more about the festival film, haven't seen it on sale in Sweden anywhere. What is it called? Where can I get it? Anybody who knows? Marion<< http://www.amazon.co.uk/Isle-Wight-Festival-1970-Message/dp/B00004D0DO/ref=pd _bowtega_2/026-2929633-0511600?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178981609&sr=1-2 Hi Marion, This DVD is badly labelled at Amazon.co.uk but it was directed by Murray Lerner and the film is called "Message to Love: The Isle of Wight Festival". Amazon are selling it from #5.60 (pounds). I have a version which plays in Region 2 (Europe / PAL) and I think this is the default version. I think it's difficult to find for US viewers. I could possibly make you a copy if you have problems finding it. Best, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:25:42 -0400 From: djp Subject: RE: Man from Mars as period piece At 10:15 PM 5/11/2007, patrick leader wrote: >it's an interesting album, [grace of my heart sundtrack] >as most of the songs are written and performed to >sound like period songs. there's a beach boys-esque song, an everly >brothers-esque song, et cetera. has anyone ever thought of 'man from mars' >as a period song, especially in this arrangement, with the girl group >back-up vocals? The movie sort of more or less is informed in a general way by the career of Carole King. I believe that Man from Mars accompanies scenes from the early 70's -- King's Tapestry period. (Some other singer-songwriter was recording then, too. I forget her name. Blonde chick. Canadian.) Anyway, I can see it representing that period. djp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:43:36 +0200 From: "Christian MACKOWSKI" Subject: Re: JM Tribute Audio review/interview Thank you so much, Bob, for this interview "Chris" - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" To: "JMDL" Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 4:47 PM Subject: JM Tribute Audio review/interview > http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2007/05/11#segment78764 > > An archived interview on WNYC, Leonard Lopate talks with Bob Hurwitz from > Nonesuch and the Tribute CD. > > Bob > > NP: See above > > PS: I cringed when Hurwitz says that this is the first JM Tribute album > when it's actually the 10th or so. > > > --------------------------------- > Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. > Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:05:01 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni at McCabes Tom Rush's newsletter mentions that Joni showed up for his gig at McCabes Guitar in Santa Monica a week or so ago. So did Jackson Browne but on a different night. Kate ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:36:51 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: four dead in Ohio, now Isle of Wight Festival DVD Thank you, Mike! I'll try to get the dvd and if I'm not successful, I will take you up on your offer:-). Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr mike pritchard Skickat: den 12 maj 2007 17:06 Till: Marion Leffler Kopia: list Dmne: fre: four dead in Ohio, now Isle of Wight Festival DVD >>Mike, I know this was a week ago so I am a bit late in asking - still I'd like to know more about the festival film, haven't seen it on sale in Sweden anywhere. What is it called? Where can I get it? Anybody who knows? Marion<< http://www.amazon.co.uk/Isle-Wight-Festival-1970-Message/dp/B00004D0DO/ref=p d _bowtega_2/026-2929633-0511600?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1178981609&sr=1-2 Hi Marion, This DVD is badly labelled at Amazon.co.uk but it was directed by Murray Lerner and the film is called "Message to Love: The Isle of Wight Festival". Amazon are selling it from #5.60 (pounds). I have a version which plays in Region 2 (Europe / PAL) and I think this is the default version. I think it's difficult to find for US viewers. I could possibly make you a copy if you have problems finding it. Best, Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:59:33 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Joni's lyrics Hi all, as long as I have been listening to Joni I have been bothered by some of her lyrics. Ill give you two examples that I listened to tonight. 1. why do you keep on trying to make a man out of me? Couldnt you just love me - like you love cocaine? Cocaine head games...(From Ladiesman on WTRF)) These lines really make me cringe. I find them very disturbing. Why should any woman, let alone Joni, ask for so much trouble? How do you feel about this image? 2. So now I am returning to myself, these things that you and I suppressed(From Hejira on Hejira) Also makes me cringe. And wonder what kind of men Joni has a habit of falling in love with. Not only does he suppress her but she helps him doing it I wont even start on Coyote I do understand and appreciate the ambiguous feelings Jonis lyrics usually express but some of her lines, like the above, describe love between a man and a woman in ways that just make me shake my head and wonder. Chers song comes to mind  Looking for love in all the wrong places  or is it just me being naove? Or lucky, since I do not recognize myself in these lines? I would really like to learn how people on this list interpret these lyrics! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:43:03 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Joni's lyrics - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leffler" > > as long as I have been listening to Joni I have been bothered by some of > her > lyrics. Ill give you two examples that I listened to tonight. > > 1. why do you keep on trying to make a man out of me? Couldnt you just > love me - like you love cocaine? Cocaine head games...(From Ladiesman on > WTRF)) > > These lines really make me cringe. I find them very disturbing. Why should > any woman, let alone Joni, ask for so much trouble? How do you feel about > this image? > 2. So now I am returning to myself, these things that you and I > suppressed(From Hejira on Hejira) > > Also makes me cringe. And wonder what kind of men Joni has a habit of > falling in love with. Not only does he suppress her but she helps him > doing > it > I wont even start on Coyote > > I do understand and appreciate the ambiguous feelings Jonis lyrics > usually > express but some of her lines, like the above, describe love between a man > and a woman in ways that just make me shake my head and wonder. Chers > song > comes to mind  Looking for love in all the wrong places  or is it just > me > being naove? Or lucky, since I do not recognize myself in these lines? > > I would really like to learn how people on this list interpret these > lyrics! This email came through weird, with squares in place of apostrophes and maybe other things, so it was hard to read. But I will say that while I am not a lyricist, I am a poet, and would never want to be held personally accountable for things I've written in poems. Some of it is autobiographical, some of it's historical (ways I once felt, things I once went through), and much of it is some combination of the two above and _completely imagined_ circumstances. I have no idea of JM's writing process, but I do know that most of my poet friends tend to start a poem with an image and while much or some of a poem may be personal, very seldom is all of it. Also I remember a well-known critic in a review of my first book criticising the book because the speaker was too 'passive' too and prototypically female in some poems. Sometimes writers reflect reality--their personal reality or the reality they perceive around them. Finally I think that complicated people tend to get in complicated relationships. A lot of art gets made out of obsession and grief and difficult relationships. Just last week I got a lit mag in the mail with a review of my most recent book. The review was very positive about the book as a book, but had a completely different take than I did as the writer (or than Publishers Weekly did for that matter). - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:47:45 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "c Karma" To: ; > > A MUST HAVE, then is his collaboration with Elvis Costello, "Painted From > Memory." I could listen to "My Thief" from that record for a week > straight. I think I have, actually. I, too, have listened to this record for days on end. It has such strong associations for me now I have to be careful when I listen to it. I now need to get the new Bachrach album suggested in a previous post! Listen, I'm so pathetic I bought a CD called The Reel Burt Bachrach just so I could have a song called Long Ago, Tomorrow (love them from a bad 1970s movie) and the title song to Lost Horizon. I think "Something Big" is also on it. It is so deeply embarrassing to admit liking most of the songs on "Lost Horizon." I mean the glory days of Dionne and Burt, or more recently Elvis and Burt, it ain't. But still. . . . - --AJ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:57:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's lyrics Oh, I know quite well where it's from - it's one of my favorite Joni lyrics. To me it's not as confessional as it is universal. I mean, haven't you ever ended a relationship where you had to suppress parts of yourself either because the other person asked you too or because you couldn't feel like you could truly relax and be yourself around them? Matter of fact, I would submit that there is a degree of that in EVERY relationship. This is Joni's way of saying that now that the relationship has ended, she is able to be what she wants without having to suppress anything. I didn't understand much of Hejira when I first heard it, but I sure knew exactly what she was saying here. No cringes from me. Bob NP: Cowboy Junkies, "Handouts In The Rain" - --------------------------------- Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:14:39 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: lauranyro.net does anyone know what happened to http://www.lauranyro.net and furthermore, does anyone know how to contact those who oversee the site? I ask because I am beginning a project on Nyro and wanted to access some of the radio interviews on the site. Any leads would be appreciated! Matt in Athens - --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? 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