From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 144 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: BMR [Paul In MD ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Paul In MD ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Taming the Tiger [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["Happy The Man" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: major disappointment ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["anon anon" ] Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Bjork ["Owen Duff" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:11:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) A wonderful read, Monika - and of course you realize that not even your (3) listens can take all of this one in. Thirty years after the fact I'm still hearing new things in DJRD. Your review brought back a lot of memories as I had almost the same exact take that you did. At least YOU have someone to talk to about it. Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I had no-o-o-o-obody. And I had a good chuckle...you are probably the ONLY person to hear the guitar/kazoo demo of "Dreamland" PRIOR to hearing the released version. Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "NYC Serenade" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:25:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: BMR Chiming in quite late on this one but BMR is one of my favorite songs from Hejira. I always felt it meshed perfectly with the rest of the album. Besides, the line "It's funny how these feelings hang around, you think they're gone, oh no, they just go underground" is worth the price of admission. Also, on a trip down south a few years ago, it was perfect sitting on the balcony of my hotel after a thunderstorm with "palm trees in the porch light like slick black cellophane." It was a classic Joni experience. Paul In MD AMARY559@aol.com wrote:Listening to BMR I think it was more the style of the song that put me off. It is certainly not vintage Joni but perhaps should come out of my doghouse although the line "boom boom pachyderm" does belong there! Is it the only where she mentions her own name? (another of my pet hates as used excessively by hip-hop artists). Cheers Kevin - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 05:51:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Wow, thanks for these! I am in the camp that thinks Man From Mars is one of Joni's best songs -- but she couldn't have come up with a better rhyme than "boo hoo"? To be fair, I have tried and nothing worked for me either. The alternate does make that line less glaring and I love the arrangement but I don't think Joni's vocals are as strong as they are on the version included on TTT. Joni's voice when she recorded TI and TTT was in that no man's land where her register was falling and I don't think she could always count on hitting the right note. So while I prefer the alternate version, Joni's voice is stronger on the TTT version. She may have felt the same way. When TI was released and I gave it a first listen, I wondered if Joni had suffered some sort of debilitating illness -- stroke, for instance. It was almost the same reaction I got when I first listened to Mingus. The lyrics on TI were so spare compared to everything that came before. TTT continued that style of writing. I find TTT a "sunnier" recording than TI and and I think it would have been an outstanding instrumental recording. I just don't find the writing as polished on those albums as the previous albums but there are certainly gems to be found. Perhaps I am being too harsh because I hold Joni to a higher standard than most artists. After all, Joni firing on five cylinders is better than most artists firing on eight. Paul In MD Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: Here you go Catherine and anyone else interested in the alternative mix of Man From Mars. http://download.yousendit.com/D48A077A41A8C3A6 If you want the mp3 on your desktop, control-click (Mac) or right-click (Windows) on the Download button and choose to save it. If it has a weird title, re-title it as Man From Mars (Alternative Mix).mp3. Mark in Sydney - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 06:35:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Motitan@aol.com wrote: >>>>>10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: Another favorite! And may I say what a PERFECT ENDING to the album!? Yes, you may. :) I know not everyone here cares for this track, but I've always found it an appropriately melancholy, yet peaceful, way to end the hour long ride. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:44:45 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger Steve Polifka changed "without at least one big boo-hoo" to "without at least a tear or two". Works for me. Bob NP: The Doobie Brothers, "Road Angel" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:02:10 -0500 From: "Happy The Man" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) Bob, You know I didn't realize until after I told my friends they needed to listen to Joni or put her on in the car that not everybody had the same taste in music I did. I guess Joni was the my first artist that wasn't cool to listen too. If they only knew. Peace, Craig NP: Any Major Dude.... - Steely Dan - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >A wonderful read, Monika - and of course you realize that not even your > (3) listens can take all of this one in. Thirty years after the fact I'm > still hearing new things in DJRD. Your review brought back a lot of > memories as I had almost the same exact take that you did. At least YOU > have someone to talk to about it. Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I > had no-o-o-o-obody. > > And I had a good chuckle...you are probably the ONLY person to hear the > guitar/kazoo demo of "Dreamland" PRIOR to hearing the released version. > > Bob > > NP: Bruce Springsteen, "NYC Serenade" > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are > hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, > distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon > this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please > contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. > > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:46:39 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Pictures Posted Okay, I'm this far behind in digests (April 10th) but I just wanted to say how wonderful these pictures are! Everyone seems to be having so much fun and I totally agree with Catherine that the clarity of these pictures is outstanding! Sorry to be so far behind but life has a way of doing that to you sometimes. Sherelle >From: "Happy The Man" > > > > http://www.hatstand.org/gallery/v/JoniMitchell/nejf2007/Happy+The+Man/?g2_nav > > Id=x41d07907 > >Good photos and detailed info about the camera used, >etc, >but no names or captions? Unless you were there, >there is >no way to know who is who. I think the part about the type of camera is some kind of default. That stuff is always there. There are some names in Rosie's album. Catherine Toronto _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open themwith Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:55:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) For me it went even deeper than that - my friend Chris loved C&S so we used to listen to that all the time. My friend Lee was a Hejira fan so we could bond on that one, but when DJRD came out I was on my own. And that didn't stop me, I still spun the hell out of it. At least Jolie at WQDR played it a lot so I felt like I had a kindred spirit. Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Better Than Anything" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:14:19 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: major disappointment Still WAY behind on digests but thought I would give these clips a listen. I have to agree with you Bob on your thoughts and not meant as a criticism either. There are a few songs that aren't my cup of tea but I like the fact that each artist was trying to bring something new to the project. A couple of artists who were my cup of tea with this tribute were Prince doing "A Case of You", Sarah McLaughlin doing "Blue", Annie Lenox doing "Ladies of the Canyon" K.D. Lang doing "Help Me", and Emmylou Harris doing "The Magdalene Laundries". What I like in a tribute song is when the artist stays pretty true to the song and yet is able to give it their own feel as well. Oh, I did also like Bjork's version of "The Boho Dance". I appreciated everyone's efforts but just liked some better than others. Sherelle Bob M wrote: This one, most likely: http://atributetojonimitchell.com/ Wow, this is really a surprise comment. Having listened to it numerous times, I'm not sure where you're coming from with that statement. While it has its faults, one of the things it DOES (whether you like it or not) is to 'bring new life' and/or re-imagine most of the songs. Sufjan Stevens, Bjork, Elvis Costello, Brad Mehldau, Cassandra Wilson all put a brand new spin on their tracks as do most of the artists involved. Not meant as a criticism, but just curious - what were you expecting? Bob _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:31:29 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Reply-To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >To: Motitan@aol.com >CC: joni@smoe.org, owner-joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) >Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:11:26 -0400 > . Back in '77, I was like ol' Furry - I >had no-o-o-o-obody. >> >Bob > Speaking of Furry, I've read about how he didn't like Joni, how he found her visit with him somehow disrectful, mainly, I guess, because he wasn't payed for the song, though apprently during the vist, he was angry at Joni for mentioning that she played open tunings on her guitar... He felt that she was critisizing him, apparently... I'm sure Joni meant well, and at the very least, the song brought renewed interest to Lewis's music... _________________________________________________________________ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the im Initiative now. Its free. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_MAY07 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:45:05 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Thoughts on DJRD (long) From: > 4. Paprika Plains: > because it's more than just a song. The piano is particularly > interesting > here as it goes from sounding pretty to sounding dark and ominous and > back > again. Nice observation! The piano part is several smaller snippets of improvisation, from different days, that were edited together. They were recorded differently (or on different pianos?), resulting in the sound variation. > 8. DJRD: > Listen to all those images! > How did she think of all that? The Eagle, the Serpent. Tell me that > isn't > great? I happen to love the line "as we rock between the sheets." It is a great line...the eagle and the serpent are from Joni's sun sign of Scorpio-the high road and low road so to speak. Another great recording of a great song-I like the way the bass and drum are doing the same "thunk" trancy rhythm throughout. > 9. Off Night Backstreet: > 10. The Silky Veils Of Ardor: > This song is a hidden gem man. Two of her most intense tracks-you can picture that Scorpio stinger waving at you in ONB! > Well, overall I like the album but can understand why some would have > been baffled back in '77 when it came out. I don't think alot of people heard it. I saw the double LP in cutout bins frequently. This was a turning point in FM radio- it really started going corporate. Fleetwood Mac's "Rumours", and The Eagles "Hotel California" had pretty much swept away the days of more experimental programming-the kind that Joni usually got. "Saturday Night Fever" and disco were also storming the charts. I think Joni's audience has always been kind of marginal- there was a time when everybody bought Blue and C&S, and I think for most, that satisfied their curiosity for her, like having 2 Cat Stevens records. DJRD is one of those records I will buy whenever there is an improved audio format. It's truly one of her masterpieces, and I enjoyed your insightful review. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:39:43 +0000 From: "Owen Duff" Subject: Re: Bjork I'd have to second 'Vespertine' as an intro to Bjork's music, 'Harm of Will' and 'Sun in my Mouth' in particular are just achingly gorgeous songs... and the rest are not far off. I only truly got into her a few years ago, after years of liking what I'd heard of her output but for some reason not having followed up. I love the fact that she adopts the bleeding edge of music making but injects it with a huge amount of passion and humanity that could otherwise be missing, as well as bringing in more traditional instruments and ideas. Brilliant! After 'Vespertine' I'd say 'Homogenic' for her harder edge, and any of them after that. 'Selmasongs' is, surprisingly, one of my favourites, though I can't stand 'Dancer in the Dark'. Still haven't bought her latest, too poor! Soon, very soon... O www.myspace.com/owenduff www.owenduff.co.uk Lycos email has 300 Megabytes of free storage... 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