From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #137 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, May 4 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 137 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Starart ["Randy Remote" ] SV: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull ["Marion Leffler] Re: My Generation [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Joni & Woodstock? [Gary Z ] Re: Starart [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: TV alert for PBS's "American Masters" show on Ahmet Ertegun ["Ger] Re: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull [Bob.Muller@Fluo] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Miles Beyond [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP [kenevans@umich.edu] Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Those souls who don't "get" Joni [Kate Johnson ] Re: Those souls who don't "get" Joni [Motitan@aol.com] Joni & Carole King [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Those souls who don't "get" Joni [jeannie ] Re: Joni & Carole King [jeannie ] Re: SV: Joni & Carole King [jeannie ] Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? ["Patti Parlette" ] RE : Those souls who don't "get" Joni [Joseph Palis ] The Mitchell/Taylor Boy-and-Girl Choir ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 [srobe444@aol.com] Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute [Bob Muller ] Crown and Anchor ["Cassy" ] Joni mentions at a People's Party ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Starart Thanks for the heads up, Les. I bought one of the "fair" condition ones. They also have Joni's "Charlie Down in Mexico" painting available as a print, unsigned, or, for the big bux, signed. http://www.cheshercat.com/Joni%20Mitchell%20Print.html RR From: "Les Irvin" > In 1979, author Debby Chesher published what has become one of the most > sought-after books in anyone's Joni collection, "Starart". A collection > of > artwork by stars mainly known as musicians (Cat Stevens, Ron Wood, Klaus > Voorman, and others including Joni), this book often commands hundreds of > dollars on eBay and in used book stores. Debby has dug into her archives > and is now selling her remaining stock that has been stored for the past > 28 > years. Check her website at http://www.cheshercat.com for information on > how to purchase this important and valuable document. No other book - so > far - includes such a wide representation of Joni's artwork. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:59:44 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull Well, Kate, actually it never occured to me to write a fan letter to any artist. Fan mail usually doesn't get any further than on some manager's desk, so what's the point? And anyway, I would feel awkward trying to tell Joni what her music has meant to me personally. But if she could look at this list, where we tell each other, I wouldn't mind. Of course, she won't. But it's her loss, since many people on this list are not just infatuated fans but incredibly well informed about her art, and I do believe she would benefit from knowing this. As for her individually acknowledging the appreciation shown her, well, thats another matter and as far as I'm concerned, she wouldn't have to - in fact, that, too, would make me feel awkward. I never picture Joni as a friend of mine, I'm not even sure she could be but it doesn't matter. I just admire her talent. Have a nice day, Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Kate Johnson Skickat: den 2 maj 2007 22:15 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull On 2-May-07, at 2:16 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: My generation > > That was really moving, Jerry! I wish Joni would read these posts > occasionally. Maybe she wouldn't care so much about being > unappreciated by > the music business then, seeing how much she has meant and still > means to us > "ordinary" people, how she has touched our lives with her art. - On > second > thoughts, I guess it could be scary knowing you are a part of > thousands of > people's lives that you have never met and have no knowledge about. > So maybe > it would just give her the creeps. Complicated, fame is... > Marion I wonder. You'd think she receives lots of fan mail, wouldn't you? I mean, surely half of us have picked up a pen to make sure she knows how much her music has moved us. Yet how many of those letters has she ever acknowledged? I sometimes think that if I were in her place, or perhaps was a published writer, I'd avoid reading reviews and such, for fear that critical ones might affect my output, that I might somehow try to change, or even just BE changed by it ... and be less original, less genuine ... And so maybe I wouldn't read fan mail, then. Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? By the way, Billy, have you seen the movie Marie Antoinette? Did you know Marianne Faithfull plays her mother? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:27:16 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Generation >- --- Randy Remote wrote: > the last time I saw her boob. There's a song in there somewhere.< ROTFL Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 05:01:35 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond Bob (Bob.Muller@Fluor.com) wrote: >>> like most of Joni's fans & critics at the time, you wanted her to stay the same, which she never had any desire to do. I admit it can be difficult following an artist who is constantly growing & evolving. <<< I have to disagree, Bob, as I didn't necessarily WANT her to "stay the same." After all, her constant progression up to that most crucial point was a BIG part of what impressed me to begin with. However, I believe that showing at least SOME semblance of her earlier, more vulnerable personality (with the unusual about-face of THOSL) would have been preferable for many of us. And I don't think it's so much a matter of difficulty in following a "constantly evolving" artist, but more accurately in the WAY Joni evolved. Also, I'm not really convinced that the change in direction was simply a result of not having any desire to "stay the same" per se, but rather a more complex situation of it being impossible for her--or anyone, for that matter--to expand beyond C&S in a similar vein (...just as Em suggested when stating that she might not have been capable of going any further with her earlier style). XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Pour Down Like Silver' (1975) by Richard and Linda Thompson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 06:43:24 -0400 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Joni & Woodstock? Hi Monika, I recall seeing Joni a number of times live, where she played "Both Sides Now" while walking off the stage and still singing it, but I don't recall ever seeing her do that with "Woodstock." (though she may well have done it with this song too) Sorry, but I don't know the significance. Best regards, Gary Z. Detroit Motitan@aol.com wrote: >How come there are some performances I have seen of Joni playing "Woodstock" >but walking off the stage still playing it and singing it off mic and then >disappearing all together before the song ends? I'm presuming this has to >have a symbolic meaning for the song and that generation? You know, those times >are gone, that's the past, things of that nature, the dream is over, etc >etc. Am I right in that? Has Joni ever said anything about this in interviews? > >-Monika > > > >************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:11:02 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Starart Thanks Les, I've been wanting to own one of these for a long time now. Check out the never before seen video of the artists, including Joni also on Debby's website. rosie in nj ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: TV alert for PBS's "American Masters" show on Ahmet Ertegun Thanks, Cassy. I'm doing well. One thing that struck me while watching the 4 hour Woodstock yesterday was what would have happened if Joni had made it to Woodstock? How would it affect her career? Positive or negative? What songs would she have done? It has been said that CSN were an assembled band on paper and Woodstock was their first live performance. They really weren't that good and lots of out of tune singing and playing. Yet their career skyrocketed despite that. Joni was a far superior performer IMO and there really was no one else like her there. What might have been. Jerry Cassy wrote: > I set the VCR for the rebroadcast at 2.30 a.m. EST Thursday. Speaking of > TV > alerts did anyone catch Patti Smith on The Tonight Show last night? She > performed Gimme Shelter, it was excellent. > > I'm sorry to hear you're on crutches Jerry, I'll light a healing candle > for > you. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > NP: The Red Wings hockey game ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:41:02 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull I did notice in the BBC Amanda Ghost "Come In From The Cold" interview that she made reference to a "table full of mail" when Amanda was talking to her about her fans. My assumption from hearing that was that (1) she does get lots of fan mail; and (2) that she reads it. Gave me a good feeling. Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Born Yesterday" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Also, just because the band on S&L is more technically accomplished doesn't necessarily make the SONGS they play more complex or better. >>> I do understand that many would prefer Joni with session players who stick to the script... <<< Well, I wouldn't exactly say that The LA Express stuck to any "script," per se. On the contrary, I think their arrangements were enormously adventurous and original. And they weren't all just a bunch of session lightweights either. For example, Max Bennett had been playing high-profile gigs behind major female jazz and pop vocalists--recording, touring, arranging and even producing the likes of Ella Fitzgerald and Peggy Lee--from as far back as the mid-'50s. >>> For HER, the late 70s was a period of artistic growth. <<< Artistic growth? Along with the majority of well informed critics over the years, I beg to differ. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'The Greatest' (2006) by Cat Power ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 06:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Miles Beyond Wtking59@cs.com wrote: Thanks for the clarifications. I have no idea what would make you think the compositions are less complex in her later work, beyond perhaps that they are more spacious. I think we've reached the end here--down to "you say" vs. "I say". I do have to add one more thing, though: >>>>Artistic growth? Along with the majority of well informed critics over the years, I beg to differ. INFORMED critics? While the rest of what you said made sense objectively if not subjectively, this I don't see. Let's just say I think the critics from Downbeat and Musician (Bill Flanagan comes to mind) were at LEAST as informed as the critics at Rolling Stone and other pop culture rags. I certainly don't take their reviews as evidence of anything more than popular tastes--which is something I will admit I have no real respect for. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:16:14 -0400 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP If Sufjan had taken the song and translated it into his style then I would have found it very enjoyable--- I like him enough, he's got this new baroque style that's pretty unique while at the same time calling to mind SMiLE in a big way, really reminds me a lot of the High Llamas that way. But that's not quite what he did... He took the lyrics of the song, and composed a completely different song with those lyrics that retained none of the melody or other musical elements of Joni's composition at all. While this was interesting, I don't think it even qualifies as a cover and I found it completely disorienting. Yes, sometimes a cover version takes great liberties with the melody--- that's not what this was. --ken (you know, from atlanta, yes I know I haven't posted in years... oh, and hi bob :o) > Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:33:42 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP > > > > It was about an artist who translated a song into their style. I would > imagine, given the comments I've read about this one, that if you aren't > familiar with Sufjan's style (lots of orchestrated production and his > trademark staccato synchopations) or if you don't like his style (my wife > yells at me like a banshee to turn it off when she hears him) than you > don't like his treatment of the song. > > been able to understand the lyrics> > > But the fact is that you ARE familiar with the song, so this point is > basically moot, right? It's only because you are already comfortable with > the blueprint of Joni's recording that it fell so difficulty on your ear. > For me, it's what makes it such an interesting cover - fitting Joni's > canvas into his own frame, so to speak. Why would I want a Joni imitator > when I have the real thing at my fingertips? > > < "If you admired Joni and the song so much, why did you change it so > drastically?" > > > Even Joni's most basic songs open themsleves up to the most amazing and > complex explorations. Just like Brad Mehldau digging his fingers in to the > melody and rhythm of "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" without being encumbered > with the words, just like Annie Lennox putting a new-wave synth sound on > LOTC, and so on and so on. I'm the first to admit that I don't always LIKE > what an artist may do in dismantling and reassembling Joni's composition, > but I'm always interested to hear it, and let's face it; if her music > didn't have this complexity we wouldn't even be here in the first place. > > me into picking it up, otherwise, this will be one item I'll do without.> > > Like just about every multi-artist tribute out there, it's a mixed bag, > Kenny. IMO the successes far outweigh the failures. > > Bob > > NP: Prince, "Slow Love" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 15:49:45 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music Ah ha now I remember... I have photo shop but thanks for jogging my memory. Ste ...who now wonders if he'll ever make it to the emerald city. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark-Leon Thorne To: Stephen Toogood , JMDL CC: ricksteckles@gmail.com Subject: Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:09:43 +1000 >Hi Rick, Stephen. > >You can save it as a .pdf in Photoshop. If you don't have Photoshop, >send the scan to me and I'll do it for you. > >Mark in Sydney - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. Play Conspiracy now! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni & Woodstock? Motitan@aol.com wrote: >How come there are some performances I have seen of Joni playing "Woodstock" I may be missing some symbolic meaning, but I've always assumed it was simply for effect. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:15:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP Well then be sure you don't DRIVE while you're listening to it, Ken. Atlanta traffic is tricky enough. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Grapefruit Moon" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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My employer can't stand Joni; thinks her songs sound like they are built around way too may words. Me, I can't figure these people out. There has got to be something wrong with you if you have never been moved by a Joni song. But now, at the ripe old age of 48, I know better than to try to make someone appreciate music that doesn't harmonize with their state of being. The harder you try, the more they resist; it's pointless, and actually strengthens their block against the music. I "just let things slide..." and figure if they're lucky, someday they will hear what I hear. Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:33:47 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Those souls who don't "get" Joni I "just let things slide..." and figure if they're lucky, someday they will hear what I hear - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ---------- If only! Although today, my brother almost gave Joni a compliment. ALMOST. We were listening to some Joni in the car while I was behind the wheel. I was talking about music in general and he asks me, "if Joni is now my music of the year, cause that's all he ever hears." He then said, "atleast she has an ok voice. Unlike Neil Young. His voice is just tragic Monika. No hope there." So, that was ALMOST a compliment while bashing another artist who I love. Then we were listening to "Talk To Me" from a live cd I have. He laughed when Joni "squawked" and asked to rewind that part which I did and said, "if I liked Joni Mitchell, that would be my voicemail message." Ah well, we don't need to share Joni. If some don't get it, they don't get it. Joni can be our secret. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:47:40 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni & Carole King I noticed my brother had "Carole King, Greatest Hits" so I decided to flip through the insert because I like cd inserts and because I know Joni sang backup on a song of hers. I forget which that song is. What's the name of the song Joni and James Taylor sing backup on? The name slips my memory but I know it's off Tapestry. Anyway, if you don't own the cd, there's a nice picture of Joni & James Taylor singing into the studio mic in Carole King's Greatest Hits insert. Just a heads up. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:57:01 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Those souls who don't "get" Joni Hi Monika! My mom thinks Joni whines and complains. She thinks I whine when I cry, telling her how I feel without letting her butt in. Well, she likes Joni's and my high cheekbones, at least. When she's used to hear too much Blue, she's say, "Stop that whining!" I'd reply, "Mom, it's Joni." Always the same answer, "Stop that whiny complaining, both of you!" With her, I never win, until most recently. :)) Hooray!! Alive, alive because life is our cause.. Mother's really starting to get the deeper meaning, Monika, finally, after thirty some odd years, there.. Brother'll get it eventually! Anybody who really tries with open mind, can and will! Lock him up in a closet and play Dog eat Dog over and over real loud. He'll come out a different boy. Sincerely, Jean NP: Like Dylan In The Movies - Belle and Sebastian - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I "just let things slide..." and figure if they're > lucky, someday they will > hear what I hear > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ---------- > If only! Although today, my brother almost > gave Joni a compliment. > ALMOST. We were listening to some Joni in the car > while I was behind the wheel. > I was talking about music in general and he asks > me, "if Joni is now my > music of the year, cause that's all he ever hears." > He then said, "atleast she > has an ok voice. Unlike Neil Young. His voice is > just tragic Monika. No > hope there." So, that was ALMOST a compliment > while bashing another artist who > I love. > Then we were listening to "Talk To Me" from a > live cd I have. He > laughed when Joni "squawked" and asked to rewind > that part which I did and said, > "if I liked Joni Mitchell, that would be my > voicemail message." > Ah well, we don't need to share Joni. If some > don't get it, they don't > get it. Joni can be our secret. > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:59:59 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Joni & Carole King If I'm not mistaken the song is "You've got a friend". Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 3 maj 2007 19:48 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Joni & Carole King I noticed my brother had "Carole King, Greatest Hits" so I decided to flip through the insert because I like cd inserts and because I know Joni sang backup on a song of hers. I forget which that song is. What's the name of the song Joni and James Taylor sing backup on? The name slips my memory but I know it's off Tapestry. Anyway, if you don't own the cd, there's a nice picture of Joni & James Taylor singing into the studio mic in Carole King's Greatest Hits insert. Just a heads up. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Joni & Carole King You Just Call Out My Name. Monika, I know you sing. I heard you on myspace.com. Have you tried to sing Joni's part in harmony with James Taylor? Darn, I haven't had one person sing it right. I think your Cinnamon Girl singing voice is influenced alot more by Neil Young. Take Care, Jean - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > I noticed my brother had "Carole King, Greatest > Hits" so I decided to flip > through the insert because I like cd inserts and > because I know Joni sang > backup on a song of hers. I forget which that song > is. What's the name of the > song Joni and James Taylor sing backup on? The > name slips my memory but I > know it's off Tapestry. > Anyway, if you don't own the cd, there's a nice > picture of Joni & James > Taylor singing into the studio mic in Carole King's > Greatest Hits insert. > Just a heads up. > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:15:38 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SV: Joni & Carole King Sorry, I gave the wrong song title to the James Taylor/Joni Mitchell singing background harmonies to the song, "You've Got A Friend." I'm not too hip on names and titles. I just feel the music and voices and try to get the deeper meanings. Jean - --- Marion Leffler wrote: > If I'm not mistaken the song is "You've got a > friend". > Marion > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Motitan@aol.com > Skickat: den 3 maj 2007 19:48 > Till: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: Joni & Carole King > > I noticed my brother had "Carole King, Greatest > Hits" so I decided to flip > through the insert because I like cd inserts and > because I know Joni sang > backup on a song of hers. I forget which that song > is. What's the name of > the > song Joni and James Taylor sing backup on? The > name slips my memory but I > know it's off Tapestry. > Anyway, if you don't own the cd, there's a nice > picture of Joni & James > > Taylor singing into the studio mic in Carole King's > Greatest Hits insert. > Just a heads up. > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at > http://www.aol.com. > Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 18:26:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? Monika wrote, in part: Plus, my brother who had the song "Big Yellow Taxi" downloaded on the computer and put on a burnt cd for himself long before I started to listeing to Joni, now tells me he can't listen to the song. And even more so, because of my interest in Joni's music, he told me yesterday that the thought of Joni Mitchell makes him want to vomit. Now that's him being rude! (Yet sadly also truthful......) - ---- Monika, whenever you talk about your brother I picture Wayne, the middle brother, in "Wonder Years". Ha....tell him *that* and maybe then he will see himself and put a cork in it! And if he doesn't, then just glower and point a bony finger at him and growl: "I don't like you." Then again, maybe he just likes to tease you because he loves you. Brothers can be like that. I know; I have three of them. Love, Patti P, who thinks Joni is a Goddess -- no ifs, ands, or buts! Or buttheads! P.S. I hope they finally fixed your automobile! _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. Visit MSN In Concert today. http://music.msn.com/presents?icid=ncmsnpresentstagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:55:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Those souls who don't "get" Joni Allow me to chime in to this thread. One of my professors used to like Joni --- or so he says -- but did not bother to get into her when "Mingus" came in 1979. He had nice things to say about the early Joni but thinks the latter Joni has been so different that inorder for him to remedy the cognitive dissonance of the two Jonis, he thinks of them as two very different people. A very good friend in graduate school also does not like Joni. She in fact hates Joni. Hate to me is a strong feeling and is better than indifference so I think she must have liked Joni to some degree but hated Joni's perpetual motions that she detested that very change. Still another very good friend who always loves to horseplay around me claims he does not like Joni because he wants to annoy me. He however has been so abreast with the latest news about Joni that he'd send me Joni related news items via email with a jokey subject line and reinterprets the news he gets to make Joni sound like a shallow loser. I gave up trying to convert people to Joni although I perk up when someone admits to liking her. If they don't get Joni, then I am sure there are other points of convergence between that person and me. Joseph in CH (27 papers away from summer!!) Kate Johnson a icrit : When I was 18 or 19, my roommate's younger cousin visited us, in Saskatoon, from Australia. I had Court and Spark, Clouds, and Miles of Aisles, and played them constantly. He hated them so much he once called out in his sleep: "That's BAD music!" Bwa ha ha! My old roommate (and still my best friend) still doesn't like Joni; got overdosed on her, I think. About 10 years ago, I was hanging out with a piano player from Russia and played him some Joni Mitchell. He wasn't impressed; he thought "Johnny" sounded like a girl! My employer can't stand Joni; thinks her songs sound like they are built around way too may words. Me, I can't figure these people out. There has got to be something wrong with you if you have never been moved by a Joni song. But now, at the ripe old age of 48, I know better than to try to make someone appreciate music that doesn't harmonize with their state of being. The harder you try, the more they resist; it's pointless, and actually strengthens their block against the music. I "just let things slide..." and figure if they're lucky, someday they will hear what I hear. Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:22:37 +0100 From: Garret Subject: My Generation I like this thread. Some very interesting bits and pieces. First Joni song - Chelsea Morning (i was thrilled when Nellie McKay sang it at Carnegie even if she didn't seem to know it). First Joni album - Hits, soon followed with Blue, Turbulent Indigo, Court & Spark, and Ladies of the Canyon. GARRET (26 and a half years of age) NP- Patti Smith, Everybody Hurts (why the hello is this not on Twelve? I'm digging roughly half of that album) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:24:49 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: The Mitchell/Taylor Boy-and-Girl Choir Do indeed appear on "Will You Still Love Me Tomorrow" on TAPESTRY. The same vocal group does backing vocals on "You've Got a Friend" on James Taylor's MUD SLIDE SLIM AND THE BLUE HORIZON. Carole King plays piano and sings on that album. Mitchell/Taylor also back up James on "Love Has Brought Me Around" and "Long Ago and Far Away." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: RE : Those souls who don't "get" Joni - --- Joseph Palis wrote: > Still another very good friend who always loves to > horseplay around me claims he does not like Joni > because he wants to annoy me. He however has been so > abreast with the latest news about Joni that he'd > send me Joni related news items via email with a > jokey subject line and reinterprets the news he gets > to make Joni sound like a shallow loser. This guy is teasing you. He's either in love with Joni.... or with you. And he may possibly be my older brother. Is he 50-something and ALMOST COMPLETELY BALD? > I gave up trying to convert people to Joni > although I perk up when someone admits to liking > her. If they don't get Joni, then I am sure there > are other points of convergence between that person > and me. I don't bother either. If they don't like her, they just don't get it and no amount of preaching will convert them (ignorant heathens). It's sort of like some of the political discussions around here. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? - --- Catherine McKay wrote:> My brother - my one and only brother, the first-born > son, that special one - used to mock Joni, telling me > "anyone with a purple crayon could write that." ha! I'm having visions of "the priest sat in an airport bar, he was wearing his father's tie"...scrawled in purple crayon... wow.. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 18:16:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? I'm having a vision of Harold (of Crockett Johnson's Harold and the Purple Crayon)writing all of Joni's songs. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 5:26 PM To: Catherine McKay; Patti Parlette; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? - --- Catherine McKay wrote:> My brother - my one and only brother, the first-born > son, that special one - used to mock Joni, telling me > "anyone with a purple crayon could write that." ha! I'm having visions of "the priest sat in an airport bar, he was wearing his father's tie"...scrawled in purple crayon... wow.. Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:18:43 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP > It was about an artist who translated a song into their style. I would imagine, given the comments I've read about this one, that if you aren't familiar with Sufjan's style (lots of orchestrated production and his trademark staccato synchopations) or if you don't like his style (my wife yells at me like a banshee to turn it off when she hears him) than you don't like his treatment of the song. I understand what you're saying, but when Yes covered Simon & Garfunkel's "America", they added a totally new twist to it, and you could still tell it was "America." When Steve Hillage remade Donovan's "Hurdy Gurdy Man", he completely transformed it but you still knew it was "Hurdy Gurdy Man." I just think Stevens' version of Free Man In Paris goes so far, it's no longer the same song. He might just as well put different words to the music he created 'cause it sure ain't FMIP to me. I'm looking forward to hearing the rest of the Joni tribute album before I decide to add it to my collection; hopefully, there's more good than bad. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 20:34:36 -0400 From: srobe444@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 I dunno I loved HOSL when it came out and still do I think Boho Dance is one of her more profound songs, and poetically structured very narrative, yet evocative jeans with a little lace along the seems mirrors lady in a Paris dress with runs in her nylons nothing is encapsulated in me on either side of town the streets were never really mine, not mine, these glamour gowns how much more revealing is that? I think the album has a lot to do with LOTC - a retelling from a later perspective Compare the mood of Harry's House or Shades of Scarlett Conquering with Conversation or Boho Dance with For Free - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 1 May 2007 3:00 AM Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, May 1 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 132 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Re: Miles Beyond [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni & Jaco [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Miles Beyond ["AJ" ] Re: Joni & Jaco [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:15:14 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond In fact, parts of THOSL sound much more dated to me than ANYTHING on C&S or MOA (particularly the comparatively lightweight sounding fluff of "Shades of Scarlett Conquering," the clichid and superficial "Harry's House," the downright hokey opener "In France They Kiss On Main Street... - - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - --------------------------------------------------------------- Well what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our own opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as always. - - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:21:42 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco HEY, Monika Well, apart from her marriage to Klein--yet another bass player--you ARE aware that Jaco died relatively young, aren't you? Killed in a bar fight of some sort, if I'm not mistaken. I've forgotten the exact year, but it's been a while. - - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, yes I read that he died young in passing somewhere but was not aware of the year. - - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:27:00 -0500 From: "AJ" Subject: Re: Miles Beyond - - ----- Original Message ----- From: > In fact, parts of THOSL sound much more dated to me than ANYTHING on C&S > or > MOA (particularly the comparatively lightweight sounding fluff of "Shades > of > Scarlett Conquering," the clichid and superficial "Harry's House," the > downright hokey opener "In France They Kiss On Main Street... > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Well what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? > And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our > own > opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as > always. > -Monika I myself find "Harry's House" one the most profound JM songs of all. The timbre of her voice when she sings/speaks "Nothing's any good" made my hair stand on end the day the album came out, and still does, these many years later, when I listen to it on my IPod. I find it an incredibly dense (in a good way) musical statement about not simply American culture in the 1970s, but still as timely in 2007 as it was when it came out. And it is a strangely bifurcated song, which makes it endlessly fascinating to me to this day. - - --AJ - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 00:26:14 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Joni & Jaco Bruce -- THANKS for providing more details on Jaco's death. Such an unfortunate loss for many (including Joni, I'm sure). And I agree with your logic 100% on the possibilities of why the couple eventually parted ways, as well as your probable theories about what was responsible for Joni's lighter, more positive mood while creating WTRF. XXXOOO, Billy ================================= Bruce (LBVaughn@comcast.net) wrote: >>> Billy, >>> You are correct. Jaco died from injuries (declared brain dead after lapsing into a coma) sustained in a heated disagreement with a bouncer in an establishment that he'd been refused entrance to. His date of death, I believe was September of 1987 which would have made him about 35 or so. <<< >>> I suspect he and Joni parted ways due to Jaco's health (manic depression) and substance problems which from what I've read made him quite unpredictable and somewhat "black flagged" in the music world. I wouldn't know, but I suspect Joni is the type that when she's recording would be blisteringly angry when she had a head full of ideas and her bass player ended up MIA. <<< >>> WTRF was probably considered more of a happy album for any number of reasons. I've heard that it was supposed to be more of a rock styled album (not sure I'd call it that) but it was something different and fresh from what she had been doing. Klein was probably the largest influence on her mood at the time but WTRF was also her first release for a new record label and she might have had high hopes that they would treat her better than recent years with Asylum and it reunited her with David Geffen who was behind her more commercial successes, FTR, MOA, and CAS. Might have been a very optimistic Joni at that time. <<< Bruce in Tucson <<< - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:48:53 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond Monika wrote: >>> Well, what about them in particular makes you think they sound dated? And why do you find Harry's House superficial? We're all entitled to our own opinion but it's good to ask. Discussion is healthy. Just curious as always. <<< Almost everything, Monika. But to be more specific, I suddenly found most of the lyrics on THOSL to be soooooooo cliched compared to the classic, deeply confessional mid-period of BLUE, FTR and CAS. Disappointingly detached and emotionally bankrupt. I think "Shades of Scarlett Conquering" is weak both musically and lyrically, and "Harry's House" isn't much better. To me, they're largely nothing more than pretty sounding, superficial gloss and glitter, with very little discernible substance (as the majority of critics pointed out in 1975). And then 'Hejira' (in '76), while a bit more profound in the lyric department (except when compared to her most seminal period), was even LESS musically challenging than its predecessor--mostly droning from one chilly dirge to another. In some ways she rebounded a bit with DJRD in '77, but it was only a matter of time before she'd attempt a return to her earlier, most acclaimed sound (on WTRF)--with only mixed results. However, this is just the most popular general opinion (and the opinion I happen to share), and certainly some people feel differently. I can appreciate that. But at the same time, I occasionally feel the need to express my own point of view (like everyone else here)--just to balance things out, so-to-speak, and to make sure Joni's earlier brilliance is never overlooked or forgotten ;-) XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'We're Children of Coincidence and Harpo Marx' (1976) by Dory Previn - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 02:37:40 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Miles Beyond AJ (ajfashion@att.net) wrote: >>> I myself find "Harry's House" one the most profound JM songs of all. The timbre of her voice when she sings/speaks "Nothing's any good" made my hair stand on end the day the album came out, and still does... <<< Oh, yeah--and what about that thrilling part just afterwards (returning to the original melody), when she sings: "shining hair and shining skin, shining as she reeled him in..." with that all-too-brief but fabulous guitar flourish right in the middle!? Although I find it superficial, I ADORE that little moment of bliss! AJ added: >>> I find it an incredibly dense (in a good way) musical statement about not simply American culture in the 1970s, but still as timely in 2007 as it was when it came out. And it is a strangely bifurcated song, which makes it endlessly fascinating to me to this day. <<< AJ--you're not the only one who feels that way. But for me, that's part of the problem with THOSL: I didn't want a "dense, musical statement" about modern American culture coming from Joni (?). Instead, I wanted more of the brilliantly emotional, romantic poetry of the individual "heart and mind" that an entire generation had come to know and love. The style she'd finally perfected on CAS. XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'We the People' (1973) by Ellen McIlwaine - ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #132 ********************************* - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm) ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re:Stevens' FMIP tribute Yeah, I can dig what you're saying Kenny...I knew it was FMIP with those opening horns. Anyway, if you wanna check out samples of ALL the tracks: http://www.atributetojonimitchell.com/ Bob NP: Feist, "The Water" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:44:32 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Crown and Anchor I was discussing jewelry with a friend today. We were talking about the hallmarks inside rings and on the backs of quality jewelry. Many pieces have a crown and an anchor. I began giving a little thought to the lyric "Crown and Anchor me or let me sail away" and wondered... I guess I'd never really given that little couplet much thought before. I wonder if I missed the meaning for all these years. Now when I think of the hallmarks in gold jewelry and think of a wedding ring with those stamps inside I believe she meant "marry me or let me go". Duh. It just hit me like a ton of bricks, I actually have an antique wedding ring with those marks inside. What do you think? Cassy NP: Bonnie Raiit - Who But a Fool (Thief into Paradise) If Iraq's biggest export was broccoli, would we still be there ? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 05:04:10 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni mentions at a People's Party Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! It's very late as I walk in, and I hope my talking, as it rambles, doesn't reveal suspicious reasoning or anything, but I just have to share some enchanted evening I just had. It may be inchoate (Hi Richard!) but I have to get it out tonight or it will be lost to tomorrow. All the people at this party They've got a lot of style They've got stamps of many countries They've got passport smiles Exactement! It was an end-of-the-academic-year party at a beautiful 1800's farmhouse, filled with wonderful intelligent and bright people from all over the world, but mostly from Europe. Bohemians. I love Bohemians! The party was mostly for our friend and colleague Ed who is retiring. I love this guy so much. He's a French professor, and one of my best friends in the department. He nursed his wife so lovingly through ovarian cancer for years, and lost her two years ago. Too sad. But now he is remarried, and I met his new wife tonight for the first time. They looked so happy, and I am so happy for them. He was so excited to introduce me to her. I loved her immediately. At one point, I mentioned Joni (imaginez-vous!), and Ed rolled his eyes (as if to say: Uh, oh, here she goes again.) Maureen grabbed my hand and said: "I *knew" there was some reason I liked you right away. I love Joni Mitchell, too!" So there, Ed! Another great Joni moment pour moi was my student worker Erica, and her boyfriend from a Grecian Isle (but not a red-neck). I hired Erica on August 15th, the day I was going to see CSNY. I was rather bubbling over with enthusiasm during the interview, and told her where I was going that night. She said: "I love CSNY!" I said: Really? Do you know them? She said: Yes. I am a folksinger. Me: Do you know Joni Mitchell? Erica: I LOVE Joni Mitchell! Me: You're hired!!!! So much for affirmative Joni Mitchell action! (I think the word is out on campus that if you want a job in the Department of Modern and Classical Languages, just mention "Joni Mitchell" and you're a shoe-in.....LOL! I don't care, baby, I'm so Joni square) ANYWAY, as I was leaving the party, Erica and Stefanos were starting to play their guitars, and Erica announced, rather shyly (oh, I wish you could meet her, she's such a love, with impossibly gentle hands, like a Botticelli girl): "I am going to do a Joni Mitchell song for you all, because if it weren't for Joni Mitchell, I would not have this job. And this one is for Patti." Oh, love is touching souls. They sang Both Sides Now. Musik Meister Muller, I will have to have her tape it for you. It was beautiful. Just absof#$#inlutelyy beautiful. Oh, one more Joni thing (help me....she's talkiing and she won't shut up!). At this people's party was our exchange French professor....here for only one year. I told him that I am so sorry he is leaving. He came here because he loves American music. But he had never heard of Joni before....go figure. So of course I came to the rescue and loaned him FTR for a start. And of course he fell in love. I told him he can't go back to France because he has not completed his Joni education. He laughed, and kissed me deux fois as the French always do, and told me that we can do an on-line independent study. Alors, VOILA! I will do it. That's a promise that I made. Pardon my crazy Joni shoo-bop ce soir. Just had to get it out. And really, I only had two glasses of sweet champagne tonight. Vive la Joan! Thank you for this place, Joni lovers. Love and peace, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Watch free concerts with Pink, Rod Stewart, Oasis and more. 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