From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #136 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, May 3 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 136 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull [Kate Johnson ] Re: My Generation [Catherine McKay ] Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music [Bob Muller ] Joni & Woodstock? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: My Generation ["Randy Remote" ] Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? [jeannie ] Starart ["Les Irvin" ] First Joni [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:33:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Stevens' tribute version of FMIP It was about an artist who translated a song into their style. I would imagine, given the comments I've read about this one, that if you aren't familiar with Sufjan's style (lots of orchestrated production and his trademark staccato synchopations) or if you don't like his style (my wife yells at me like a banshee to turn it off when she hears him) than you don't like his treatment of the song. But the fact is that you ARE familiar with the song, so this point is basically moot, right? It's only because you are already comfortable with the blueprint of Joni's recording that it fell so difficulty on your ear. For me, it's what makes it such an interesting cover - fitting Joni's canvas into his own frame, so to speak. Why would I want a Joni imitator when I have the real thing at my fingertips? < "If you admired Joni and the song so much, why did you change it so drastically?" > Even Joni's most basic songs open themsleves up to the most amazing and complex explorations. Just like Brad Mehldau digging his fingers in to the melody and rhythm of "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow" without being encumbered with the words, just like Annie Lennox putting a new-wave synth sound on LOTC, and so on and so on. I'm the first to admit that I don't always LIKE what an artist may do in dismantling and reassembling Joni's composition, but I'm always interested to hear it, and let's face it; if her music didn't have this complexity we wouldn't even be here in the first place. Like just about every multi-artist tribute out there, it's a mixed bag, Kenny. IMO the successes far outweigh the failures. Bob NP: Prince, "Slow Love" - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 15:14:50 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Does Joni care what we think? and Marianne Faithfull On 2-May-07, at 2:16 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > From: "Marion Leffler" > Subject: SV: My generation > > That was really moving, Jerry! I wish Joni would read these posts > occasionally. Maybe she wouldn't care so much about being > unappreciated by > the music business then, seeing how much she has meant and still > means to us > "ordinary" people, how she has touched our lives with her art. - On > second > thoughts, I guess it could be scary knowing you are a part of > thousands of > people's lives that you have never met and have no knowledge about. > So maybe > it would just give her the creeps. Complicated, fame is... > Marion I wonder. You'd think she receives lots of fan mail, wouldn't you? I mean, surely half of us have picked up a pen to make sure she knows how much her music has moved us. Yet how many of those letters has she ever acknowledged? I sometimes think that if I were in her place, or perhaps was a published writer, I'd avoid reading reviews and such, for fear that critical ones might affect my output, that I might somehow try to change, or even just BE changed by it ... and be less original, less genuine ... And so maybe I wouldn't read fan mail, then. Kate of the North - -- http://xoetc.antville.org Who Does She Think She Is? By the way, Billy, have you seen the movie Marie Antoinette? Did you know Marianne Faithfull plays her mother? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:54:08 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: My Generation I'm 51. I heard Judy Collins' chart hits BSN and Chelsea Morning, and CSNY's Woodstock, but didn't know from Joni Mitchell. I started listening to FM radio, and heard a song, "Big Yellow Taxi" that I liked. When I saw the album at the library, I checked it out, so I could tape the song on my dad's reel-to-reel. My cousin said "Oh, yeah, my teacher played that for us. She wrote Woodstock". I loved the LOTC album. When Blue came out, I heard "Carey" and "California" on the radio, and went out and bought it. I played Blue alot, and adored FTR, too. I've bought every album on it's release ever since (except Mingus and DJRD during a 'no money' period). WTRF was the last album that I played alot-everything since pales in comparison, IMO, and I have not really connected to those later ones. Saw her in Berkeley with the LA Express (before MIA) when her boob popped out of her dress-from the very last row, I thought I might have been seeing things. I've seen her 4 times since, but that was the last time I saw her boob. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: My Generation - --- Randy Remote wrote: > the last time I saw her boob. There's a song in there somewhere. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:47:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music Hi Rick, and Welcome. I can't hook you up with the sheet music but with all the extraordinary keyboardists we have here I'm sure someone can. Good luck! Bob NP: Elliot Smith, "Don't Go Down" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:23:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: My Generation The glory of the English language is how readily it adapts and morphs. "Boob" is now a verb! LAHM ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:40:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? Monika, no offense, but your brother reminds me of someone who's at age level with Hillary Duff and Hannah Montana and little sister Spears. Joni makes him want to vomit with her looks? She's "fugly?" Is that fucking ugly? How old are they? - ------------------------------------------- Yes, "fugly" is fucking ugly. My brother is 18 but he really does act more like he's about 12 a good load of the time. My sister is 27 but she never said "fugly" as much as she just made the fact be known. And he said Joni makes him want to vomit not because of her looks per se, but because he's tired of hearing about her/hearing her music. Yet let me tell you, he's the one who will make some stupid comment and bring her up to me. So...? But I don't take most of what he says to heart because with what I've told you, how can you? Plus I do tease him quite a bit and can actually be very harsh... The ironic thing is, that I get along better with my brother. Not that my sister is a Joni fan either. She told me straight up once when I was showing her a clip of something from a DVD (I just try to share the joy man!), "Monika, I don't care. I don't like Joni Mitchell. She's annoying and I don't like her music." - -Monika, tries to spread the joy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:42:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: VLJC JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? So next time your brother starts in, just blast her CDs well within earshot of him and just smile as he begins to hurl LOL!! - ------------------------------- Oh, will do! We go grocery shopping tomorrow and I always drive so....I'll bring along a Joni cd and he'll have no say in it! Live and learn. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:07:44 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music I checked the "recalled version" of Joni Mitchell Complete songbook and they have a damn "piano arranged for guitar" version--in fact they do this for all piano songs. I hope they correct this in the revised edition, if it ever comes out. I can read music, but I don't read tab well--some kind of dyslexia, I guess. They do tell you how to tune the dulcimer, however. Anyway there's not a bass clef to be found in the whole songbook. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:47 PM To: Rick Steckles; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music Hi Rick, and Welcome. I can't hook you up with the sheet music but with all the extraordinary keyboardists we have here I'm sure someone can. Good luck! Bob NP: Elliot Smith, "Don't Go Down" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:09:43 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "The Last Time I Saw Richard" sheet music Hi Rick, Stephen. You can save it as a .pdf in Photoshop. If you don't have Photoshop, send the scan to me and I'll do it for you. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:09:17 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: My Generation Detroit in '68? No, Berkeley in '74 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 7:03 PM To: Randy Remote; JMDL Subject: Re: My Generation - --- Randy Remote wrote: > the last time I saw her boob. There's a song in there somewhere. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:47:09 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni & Woodstock? How come there are some performances I have seen of Joni playing "Woodstock" but walking off the stage still playing it and singing it off mic and then disappearing all together before the song ends? I'm presuming this has to have a symbolic meaning for the song and that generation? You know, those times are gone, that's the past, things of that nature, the dream is over, etc etc. Am I right in that? Has Joni ever said anything about this in interviews? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:35:53 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: My Generation >> the last time I saw her boob. > > There's a song in there somewhere. > > > Catherine the last time ever I saw her boob.... I felt the earth shake And my wife's elbow in my rib ....that's all I have so far ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: JONI: A Dog or a Goddess? That's sweet of you, Monika. Don't stop trying spreading that joy around. Back in the early 80's, I took some foreign friends who were attending UTAustin to see Joni there in Austin. A whole bunch of my husband's friends, who were all mechanical engineering majors there at UT got together for the concert...Americans, Iranians, Afghanis, Argentines, Lesbians, Gays, Older, Younger, me...I MADE the foreigners go. We had an awesome evening...another night when everybody was awestruck with Joni. Let me tell you, the foreigners taste in women was more like the Sophia Loren look, but when they saw Joni, man, they lay down their qualms. They were in love with the blond beyond the bleachers and they were very grateful to me and they liked it even more because she was Canadian. Pretty Girl, Joni! - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Monika, no offense, but your brother reminds me of > someone who's at age > level with Hillary Duff and Hannah Montana and > little sister Spears. > Joni makes him want to vomit with her looks? > She's "fugly?" > Is that fucking ugly? > How old are they? > ------------------------------------------- > Yes, "fugly" is fucking ugly. My brother is 18 > but he really does act > more like he's about 12 a good load of the time. > My sister is 27 but she > never said "fugly" as much as she just made the fact > be known. And he said Joni > makes him want to vomit not because of her looks > per se, but because he's > tired of hearing about her/hearing her music. Yet > let me tell you, he's the one > who will make some stupid comment and bring her up > to me. So...? But I > don't take most of what he says to heart because > with what I've told you, how > can you? Plus I do tease him quite a bit and can > actually be very harsh... > The ironic thing is, that I get along better with > my brother. Not that my > sister is a Joni fan either. She told me straight > up once when I was showing her > a clip of something from a DVD (I just try to share > the joy man!), "Monika, > I don't care. I don't like Joni Mitchell. She's > annoying and I don't like > her music." > -Monika, tries to spread the joy > > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:38:55 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Starart In 1979, author Debby Chesher published what has become one of the most sought-after books in anyone's Joni collection, "Starart". A collection of artwork by stars mainly known as musicians (Cat Stevens, Ron Wood, Klaus Voorman, and others including Joni), this book often commands hundreds of dollars on eBay and in used book stores. Debby has dug into her archives and is now selling her remaining stock that has been stored for the past 28 years. Check her website at http://www.cheshercat.com for information on how to purchase this important and valuable document. No other book - so far - includes such a wide representation of Joni's artwork. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 23:21:28 -0700 From: Subject: First Joni Catherine wrote: >I'm 54 (a full deck plus a couple of jokers). I'm not quite there yet but love that line and plan on using it! LOL As a very young teen I knew about Joni before her first album through a musical prodigy friend who somehow had a line on all the Canadian songwriters even though she was way out in SoCal. When STAS came out I had to have it and just was HOOKED. It was like someone (Joni) had finally written everything I felt even right down to the melody in my soul. No one else came so close to being on my own internal wavelength. I bought every subsequent album as soon as it was released and each time I was astounded at how she seemed to mirror my own feelings and experiences. So many have had the same reaction. FTR was an album that really saved my life at the time. She did lose me a bit in the later years with HOSL and Hejira. That is where we parted ways emotionally but I still revered her artistically and in later years I realized how much HOSL, Hejira and DJRD were so far ahead of their time in every way. No matter what I always rushed to buy every new release. I remember the drought of a few years until WTRF was released and embraced wholeheartedly it because I'd missed her. DED is another that I didn't appreciate until later. I thought Chalkmark, however, was really gorgeous and the beginning of her return to Joni. Night Ride Home was her full return and TI was a masterpiece. I did notice the Klein influence in the 80s and did not like it because I felt her essence was compromised. To some extent her essence was compromised in the late 70s music, too. Sure it is what she wanted to do at the time and I will respect that but I always thought Joni's own "voice" should never be "enhanced" with others' input. I'm a purist that way. The whole is stunning, nonetheless. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #136 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)