From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #127 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 127 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Tribute (imho) ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Backstabbing..? No my mistake! [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Backstabbing..? No my mistake! [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tribute [Catherine McKay ] Re: Tribute [Jerry Notaro ] Borders Rewards Members & Joni Tribute CD [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: Hiroshima ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Hiroshima ["Bree Mcdonough" ] RE : Re: Tribute (imho) [Joseph Palis ] tribute [SMC1254@aol.com] SV: Hiroshima ["Marion Leffler" ] Miles Beyond [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Backstabbing..? No my mistake! [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: Hiroshima ["Rob Argento" ] Re: RE: DJRD soon to come [AMARY559@aol.com] Subject: Second Thought ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Wild Things Run Fast [jeannie ] Fiddle and the Drum ["Cassy" ] Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Hiroshima [srobe444@aol.com] Re: Hiroshima ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast [Bob Muller ] Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. [Bob Muller ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:43:21 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Tribute (imho) He has a beautiful version of 'Cucurucucu Paloma' (might actually just be called 'Paloma') which was featured in a film about two gay chinese travellers in South America. The sequence where the song is used is one fo the most beautiful committed to celluloid. It think it's called 'Together' or 'Happy Together'. Wong Kar Wai? Maybe? The tribute is astounding. I'd kinda hoped that Annie Lennox's version would be different to the b-side of No More I Love You's mainly cuz of the arrangements but hey, it's different to anything else on there... no reverential guitars, she just takes it and runs... Jamie On 26/04/07, Randy Remote wrote: > From: "Brian Gross" > > 3. Caetano Veloso (unknown to me) - The vision that popped into my head > > was the > > film Borat. This version of Dreamland would have worked perfectly there. > > He's one of the most revered songwriter/singers in Brazil, > with an international following. He's credited as one of the > originators of the Tropicalia movement in the sixties, that > blended psychedelia, bossa nova, and Brazilian rhythms. > When Brazil's government went fascist, he took refuge > in England briefly, then was jailed in Brazil for his political > views. (Luckily, the government changed for the better). > I had the chance to see him a few years ago in San > Francisco, and it was a wonderful experience. Lovely > voices in the audience sang along in Portugese (a language > I don't understand) like I'd never heard before-harmonies > and all- > I can't quite get my head around the Borat idea-although > rhythmic, the soundtrack to that movie sounds very > different to me from the Brazilian sound (then again, I > haven't heard Veloso's "Dreamland" yet). > RR > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:28:59 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Backstabbing..? No my mistake! Hey, I told Gus off yesterday for backstabbing our goddess.... not realizing that he was joking. Uhm. Apologies all around, I guess I was having a humourless day. At least it gives me something to laugh about today! Sorry Gus! Bn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 07:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Backstabbing..? No my mistake! I thought you both were joking - it just goes to show you... - --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hey, > > I told Gus off yesterday for backstabbing our > goddess.... not > realizing that he was joking. Uhm. Apologies all > around, I guess I > was having a humourless day. At least it gives me > something to laugh > about today! > > Sorry Gus! > > Bn > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:33:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Tribute WMNF still raving and raving about the Tribute cd today and especially liking Sarah and Annie. Did anyone else see Annie last night on Idol Gives Back? An honest and revealing Bridge Over Troubled Water. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:47:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tribute - --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > Did anyone else see Annie > last night on Idol Gives > Back? An honest and revealing Bridge Over Troubled > Water. > > Jerry > Just to show you how we all interpret things differently, I wasn't that impressed with it. I love Annie Lennox but it sounded to me as if either she has lost a lot of her vocal ability, or maybe the sound on the vocals wasn't turned up enough - maybe the over-the-topness of a lot of the idol-type singers deafens some of us to subtlety - or maybe I should've turned the TV up. I'm still trying to figure out how they made it look as if Elvis were really on stage with Celine Dion and if the audience in the venue could "see" him. It was very 3D in any case. Maybe people never really did land on the moon... Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:55:45 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Tribute I said honest and revealing. She let her 50 year old voice onstage with no reverb, trills, backup dancers, orchestra, or flames leaping from an LCD screen. That is what impressed me. Of course her voice isn't what it was 25 years ago. Integrity on the stage is rare nowadays. Jerry > --- Jerry Notaro wrote: > >> Did anyone else see Annie >> last night on Idol Gives >> Back? An honest and revealing Bridge Over Troubled >> Water. >> >> Jerry >> > > Just to show you how we all interpret things > differently, I wasn't that impressed with it. I love > Annie Lennox but it sounded to me as if either she has > lost a lot of her vocal ability, or maybe the sound on > the vocals wasn't turned up enough - maybe the > over-the-topness of a lot of the idol-type singers > deafens some of us to subtlety - or maybe I should've > turned the TV up. > > I'm still trying to figure out how they made it look > as if Elvis were really on stage with Celine Dion and > if the audience in the venue could "see" him. It was > very 3D in any case. > > Maybe people never really did land on the moon... > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:25:34 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Borders Rewards Members & Joni Tribute CD FYI: Check your email for your Borders email. Under "Shortlist Index Click to View" Click on Joni Mitchell or scroll down to her picture. Click on Borders Rewards Coupon $12.99 (List Price $18.99) this will take you to an in-store coupon you can print. BORDERS REWARDS EXCLUSIVE OFFER VALID 4/24/07 THROUGH 4/30/07 Valid only in US Borders stores. or click here: http://www.bordersmedia.com/coup/mitchell.htm Here's an additional 20% off coupon http://www.visitborders.com/index.php?c=A&o= Laura ********************FREEBIES****************************** Get a FREE 12-song CD from Take It To The Max Tour! (Must enter sweepstakes) Go To: http://www.takeittothemaxtour.com/ Click on 'Register for Prizes' @ top left of page. Click on 'Register to Win & Get a Free 12 song CD'....lower right of page. Fill out form and make sure you check the 'Yes, send me the free Send it to the Max CD' . Free Advance Screening Passes to see Shrek the Third (Select Cities) Go To: http://www.ew.com/ew/static/freescreening/shrek3/ Free Computer Screen Cleaning Wipes http://www.edigitex.com/promo.php (FYI: I didn't leave my phone # and it took my information anyway) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Hiroshima And not a word about the U.S. occupation forces which continued the forced sexual slavery for the "comfort" of American soldiers? Jerry srobe444@aol.com wrote: > Can't really let this one go. > > Although it seems popular now to pretend the Japanese were really > interested in peace (I think Gore Vidal was urging this view in Why We > Fight) the reality is they wanted to end the war on their terms and > essentially pretend that they had never engaged in genocide, violations of > the rules of war, human experimentation, forced sexual slavery, etc. and > etc. They wanted to keep an army and navy, etc. > > Since they were not in any position to dictate terms, being defeated > militarily, as seems to be conceded, it really was a non-starter to speak > of a culturally acceptable surrender. > > Had they capitualted when unconditional surrender was demanded (nothing > vague about that) they could have spared themselves Nagasaki and > Hiroshima. > > Instead they decided to bluff Truman (talk about false and misguided > courage!) and dare him to take the mainland. > > I thank God for Harry Truman, who I believe hoped there was a way around > the A-bomb, but finally came to the reluctant conclusion there was not. > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:25:39 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Hiroshima Jerry..you many times give a good argument...and a lot of good material for me to chew... but this is one of the lamest statements you have ever made on the JMDL. Wow..talk about deflecting from the salient points and undeniable truths that srobe has made. You being a Librarian..I don't know what all your job duties are in a day..but if your particular job is ordering books..I would encourage you to order...AND READ....the last book...the brilliant..(a word way over-used today because it cheapens it when using it in a description of someone who truly is)........ Jeane Kirkpatrick wrote.."Making War To Keep Peace". I don't particularly like Donald Trump..he sort of bugs me... but when I heard him yesterday... when referring to Rosie O'Donnell ...."Sometimes you have to hit a bully right between the eyes" ...I thought..yes...there is some truth in that..and one could apply that from a individual to a nation...Japan was once such a bully. Once a foe ..now a friend... there is a lesson in this. Bree >And not a word about the U.S. occupation forces which continued the forced >sexual slavery for the "comfort" of American soldiers? > >Jerry > >srobe444@aol.com wrote: > > Can't really let this one go. > > > > Although it seems popular now to pretend the Japanese were really > > interested in peace (I think Gore Vidal was urging this view in Why We > > Fight) the reality is they wanted to end the war on their terms and > > essentially pretend that they had never engaged in genocide, violations >of > > the rules of war, human experimentation, forced sexual slavery, etc. and > > etc. They wanted to keep an army and navy, etc. > > > > Since they were not in any position to dictate terms, being defeated > > militarily, as seems to be conceded, it really was a non-starter to >speak > > of a culturally acceptable surrender. > > > > Had they capitualted when unconditional surrender was demanded (nothing > > vague about that) they could have spared themselves Nagasaki and > > Hiroshima. > > > > Instead they decided to bluff Truman (talk about false and misguided > > courage!) and dare him to take the mainland. > > > > I thank God for Harry Truman, who I believe hoped there was a way around > > the A-bomb, but finally came to the reluctant conclusion there was not. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > > from AOL at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:25:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Tribute (imho) I am excited about this Tribute CD based on some of the favorable responses from many of you. I think part of the interest and the excitement spring from the specific artist/s covering a Joni song. Being one of the few who haven't heard of Bjork's version of The Boho Dance all I can say is that I am wild with anticipation. And even those versions I already heard of like James Taylor's River and Sarah McLachlan's Blue I am still curious how segues and transitions from one song to the other flow and cohere. Randy mentioned Caetano Veloso and I agree that more than a singer, he is also one of the prefects of the so-called Tropicalia or Tropicalismo movement that swept not just Brazil but much of Latin America in the late-50s early-60s. Along with Chico Buarque, Maria Bethania and Tom Ze, Veloso has this voice that I heard some people label as unschooled and untrained. Without resorting to reductionism, I took 'untrained/unschooled' to mean as being not classically trained. I like my classically trained singers alright but give me 'untrained' anytime. Caetano Veloso's voice is certainly an acquired habit that I had the pleasure of acquiring. Much like Astrud Gilberto, Nara Leao, Gal Costa, Elis Regina, Tom Ze, etc., there is a plaintiveness to it that works well in the context of the bossa beat. Maybe because I am socialized to associate this summer-in-Ibiza type of music with cool and tropical conditions, I just respond to it, to (mis)use Neruda, without knowing why where when what. Jamie, the song that you mentioned is called Cucurucucu Paloma just like you said. I love this song very much especially when sung ultra-slow just like what Caetano did in his album called Fina Estampa en Vivo in 1995-96. And yes it was used in Kar Wai Wong's Happy Together. I kinda liked Annie Lennox's version of Bridge Over Troubled Water last night in AI but the exquisite bloom in her voice seems to be slowly disappearing. But more than anything in the Tribute album, the one piece I'd like to hear is pianist Brad Mehldau's Don't Interrupt the Sorrow. Obviously schooled in the impressionistic style of pianism, he evokes Bill Evans, Ahmad Jamal and Fred Hersch and still possesses a highly individual sound or voice. His album Places places me in spaces of ecstasy when I hear it. Somehow I see Places as a musical parallel to Joni's hejira via Hejira where the loneliness of travel, the ennui, the angst informs much of the music that was incorporated in the album. A musical bildungsroman if you please. Joseph (back) in Chapel Hill np: Les Georges Leningrad - "Didi Extra" Jamie's Box of Paints a icrit : He has a beautiful version of 'Cucurucucu Paloma' (might actually just be called 'Paloma') which was featured in a film about two gay chinese travellers in South America. The sequence where the song is used is one fo the most beautiful committed to celluloid. It think it's called 'Together' or 'Happy Together'. Wong Kar Wai? Maybe? The tribute is astounding. I'd kinda hoped that Annie Lennox's version would be different to the b-side of No More I Love You's mainly cuz of the arrangements but hey, it's different to anything else on there... no reverential guitars, she just takes it and runs... Jamie On 26/04/07, Randy Remote wrote: > From: "Brian Gross" > > 3. Caetano Veloso (unknown to me) - The vision that popped into my head > > was the > > film Borat. This version of Dreamland would have worked perfectly there. > > He's one of the most revered songwriter/singers in Brazil, > with an international following. He's credited as one of the > originators of the Tropicalia movement in the sixties, that > blended psychedelia, bossa nova, and Brazilian rhythms. > When Brazil's government went fascist, he took refuge > in England briefly, then was jailed in Brazil for his political > views. (Luckily, the government changed for the better). > I had the chance to see him a few years ago in San > Francisco, and it was a wonderful experience. Lovely > voices in the audience sang along in Portugese (a language > I don't understand) like I'd never heard before-harmonies > and all- > I can't quite get my head around the Borat idea-although > rhythmic, the soundtrack to that movie sounds very > different to me from the Brazilian sound (then again, I > haven't heard Veloso's "Dreamland" yet). > RR > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk Facebook me! - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:28:29 EDT From: SMC1254@aol.com Subject: tribute My favorite is Bjork. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:47:52 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Hiroshima Jerry, Bree, but most of all srobe444, forgive me for saying this: as important as this discussion maybe I seriously question if it belongs on this list. Being a professional historian myself I could comment but I won't. I'm on this list to discuss all things Joni and very little else...Now, you might argue that the war between Japan and the US is remotely relevant to this list since Joni advocates peace - but really, that's a little far fetched. Sticking my neck out, probably, nevertheless, Peace! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bree Mcdonough Skickat: den 26 april 2007 19:26 Till: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; srobe444@aol.com Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Hiroshima Jerry..you many times give a good argument...and a lot of good material for me to chew... but this is one of the lamest statements you have ever made on the JMDL. Wow..talk about deflecting from the salient points and undeniable truths that srobe has made. You being a Librarian..I don't know what all your job duties are in a day..but if your particular job is ordering books..I would encourage you to order...AND READ....the last book...the brilliant..(a word way over-used today because it cheapens it when using it in a description of someone who truly is)........ Jeane Kirkpatrick wrote.."Making War To Keep Peace". I don't particularly like Donald Trump..he sort of bugs me... but when I heard him yesterday... when referring to Rosie O'Donnell ...."Sometimes you have to hit a bully right between the eyes" ...I thought..yes...there is some truth in that..and one could apply that from a individual to a nation...Japan was once such a bully. Once a foe ..now a friend... there is a lesson in this. Bree >And not a word about the U.S. occupation forces which continued the forced >sexual slavery for the "comfort" of American soldiers? > >Jerry > >srobe444@aol.com wrote: > > Can't really let this one go. > > > > Although it seems popular now to pretend the Japanese were really > > interested in peace (I think Gore Vidal was urging this view in Why We > > Fight) the reality is they wanted to end the war on their terms and > > essentially pretend that they had never engaged in genocide, violations >of > > the rules of war, human experimentation, forced sexual slavery, etc. and > > etc. They wanted to keep an army and navy, etc. > > > > Since they were not in any position to dictate terms, being defeated > > militarily, as seems to be conceded, it really was a non-starter to >speak > > of a culturally acceptable surrender. > > > > Had they capitualted when unconditional surrender was demanded (nothing > > vague about that) they could have spared themselves Nagasaki and > > Hiroshima. > > > > Instead they decided to bluff Truman (talk about false and misguided > > courage!) and dare him to take the mainland. > > > > I thank God for Harry Truman, who I believe hoped there was a way around > > the A-bomb, but finally came to the reluctant conclusion there was not. > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > > from AOL at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp= 33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863& encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:32:10 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Miles Beyond NO way, Bob--I completely disagree. 'Miles of Aisles' is, well, MILES beyond what you've stated (see below). Her swooping, soaring vocals were never more gorgeous than they are here. And--most noteworthy--the majority of classics from 'Blue' ("A Case of You," "The Last Time I Saw Richard," "All I Want" and "Blue") completely transcend their original versions (the sole exception being "Carey"). And unlike the completely unsuitable, often bombastic accompaniment on 'Shadows and Light' (courtesy of Pat and Jaco's over-the-top guitar and bass virtuosity, which--on S&L--were nearly the instrumental equivalent of hearing Whitney's and/or Mariah's often histrionic approach to singing), on 'Miles of Aisles' the focus is squarely on Joni and her uniquely profound "earlier" compositions (and the songs she'll always be best remembered--and most acclaimed--for), as opposed to the post-'74 stuff. In short, MOA is mostly "unfettered and alive" so-to-speak, compared to the flashier, more desperate sounding S&L. So, no question about it--'Miles of Aisles' showcases Joni's artistic (not to mention, performing) brilliance at it's absolute--and most appropriate--zenith. Promptly thereafter, she was sadly replaced with a "pod person" (LOL) ...straight outta 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers.' XXXOOO, Billy ... on a roll today ;-) ====================================== The Mullerman (scjoniguy@yahoo.com) wrote: >>>It's ('Miles of Aisles') very dated. The sound of the band has not held up very well over time. And almost every one of the songs are better in their studio incarnations, "Rainy Night House" being the one big exception. And in that case, the studio version is pretty damn excellent as well. Bob<<< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:44:08 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Backstabbing..? No my mistake! Nope Gus completely fooled me! Am glad I didn't go into details to explain why I thought this was so very rude....! Bn On 4/26/07, Catherine McKay wrote: > I thought you both were joking - it just goes to show > you... > > --- missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hey, > > > > I told Gus off yesterday for backstabbing our > > goddess.... not > > realizing that he was joking. Uhm. Apologies all > > around, I guess I > > was having a humourless day. At least it gives me > > something to laugh > > about today! > > > > Sorry Gus! > > > > Bn > > > > > Catherine > Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:05:51 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Hiroshima Well, it IS a community - and as such has many very facets, the common link being an interest in Joni's music, poetry and art.(as well as personal gossip about JM and friends) As long as the subject line contains "NJC" I don't see much harm in people discussing anything and everything. Just don't read the "NJC"s if your interest in the groups discussions go no further. The "necessity" of the deaths of over a quarter of a million people seems to me to be a valid reason to pause and think a bit without our getting too upset and divided. After all most of us were either not there or too young to have a say in the matter. We DO (possibly) have a say in the future. /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Marion Leffler Sent: den 26 april 2007 13:48 To: 'Bree Mcdonough'; notaro@stpt.usf.edu; srobe444@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: SV: Hiroshima Jerry, Bree, but most of all srobe444, forgive me for saying this: as important as this discussion maybe I seriously question if it belongs on this list. Being a professional historian myself I could comment but I won't. I'm on this list to discuss all things Joni and very little else...Now, you might argue that the war between Japan and the US is remotely relevant to this list since Joni advocates peace - but really, that's a little far fetched. Sticking my neck out, probably, nevertheless, Peace! Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Bree Mcdonough Skickat: den 26 april 2007 19:26 Till: notaro@stpt.usf.edu; srobe444@aol.com Kopia: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Re: Hiroshima Jerry..you many times give a good argument...and a lot of good material for me to chew... but this is one of the lamest statements you have ever made on the JMDL. Wow..talk about deflecting from the salient points and undeniable truths that srobe has made. You being a Librarian..I don't know what all your job duties are in a day..but if your particular job is ordering books..I would encourage you to order...AND READ....the last book...the brilliant..(a word way over-used today because it cheapens it when using it in a description of someone who truly is)........ Jeane Kirkpatrick wrote.."Making War To Keep Peace". I don't particularly like Donald Trump..he sort of bugs me... but when I heard him yesterday... when referring to Rosie O'Donnell ...."Sometimes you have to hit a bully right between the eyes" ...I thought..yes...there is some truth in that..and one could apply that from a individual to a nation...Japan was once such a bully. Once a foe ..now a friend... there is a lesson in this. Bree >And not a word about the U.S. occupation forces which continued the >forced sexual slavery for the "comfort" of American soldiers? > >Jerry > >srobe444@aol.com wrote: > > Can't really let this one go. > > > > Although it seems popular now to pretend the Japanese were really > > interested in peace (I think Gore Vidal was urging this view in Why > > We > > Fight) the reality is they wanted to end the war on their terms and > > essentially pretend that they had never engaged in genocide, > > violations >of > > the rules of war, human experimentation, forced sexual slavery, etc. > > and etc. They wanted to keep an army and navy, etc. > > > > Since they were not in any position to dictate terms, being defeated > > militarily, as seems to be conceded, it really was a non-starter to >speak > > of a culturally acceptable surrender. > > > > Had they capitualted when unconditional surrender was demanded > > (nothing vague about that) they could have spared themselves > > Nagasaki and Hiroshima. > > > > Instead they decided to bluff Truman (talk about false and misguided > > courage!) and dare him to take the mainland. > > > > I thank God for Harry Truman, who I believe hoped there was a way > > around the A-bomb, but finally came to the reluctant conclusion there was not. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > ____ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about > > what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp= 33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863& encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 16:21:06 EDT From: AMARY559@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: DJRD soon to come In a message dated 25/04/2007 08:02:38 GMT Standard Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: RE: DJRD soon to come Hi I have been moving house (though still om the IOW) so there have been a couple of discussions I have missed contributing to. One of them was on the great intros. I have to agree that the start of DJRD is fabulous, mysterious, and sexy. However, DQRD also contains 3 of what I consider to be "songs I wish Joni did not write": Talk to Me - after a wonderful opening image it quickly spirals away lyrically (though the music is lively and fun) and the chicken-squawking just makes me cringe and want to shout "Joni, No!". Off-night backstreet - There are times when I can listen to it but it is such a depressing dirge that most times I skip it However, he really piece de la crapola is "Silky Veils,,,". If she had written this when for STAS I would not have minded - but for a mature Joni it is too much like bad school-girl poetry. In comparison the rest of the album is magnificent with Jericho a love song to rival "Willy" as her most perfect, the twin titans of the title track and Paprika Plains. I love Dreamland and I can even get into 10th World - although the animal noises at the end do take the edge of it. The other ones to go on the "wish Joni did not write list" (at least from the period from STAS to before WTRF) are "Fiddle and the Drum" and "Blue Motel Room". So quite a short list with 3 from DQRD! Cheers Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:30:04 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Second Thought Yo, The songbooks aren't the final word on chords. Better to trust the ears of Marian Russell and Sue McNamara, at least until Joel Bernstein's book is finalized. There's some kind of parable in the Bible about teaching a man to fish. With that in mind, you can do the research on this page: http://jmdl.com/guitar/ Find the "Album" dropdown box and you can figure it out from there. Jim L. Matt asked about Dog Eat Dog, >specifically some of teh harmonies, timbres/ textures on the record, etc. However, my transcriptions do not accurately reflect the complexity of Joni's harmony. Does anyone have (or do they even exist?) chords for the Dog Eat Dog album? I've managed to get a number of songbooks off ebay, but I've never been able to find the 80s material: WTRF, DED, CMIARS. Any assistance available?> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 15:48:03 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Wild Things Run Fast Joni was real upbeat on the album, WTRF. I wonder what made her happy at that time. I just got an idea/ Gonna go to the Chinese Cafe, Ding How now for some Tofu amd vegetables. Yummy!! Jeannie ` Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:54:57 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Fiddle and the Drum From: <<< The other ones to go on the "wish Joni did not write list" (at least from the period from STAS to before WTRF) are "Fiddle and the Drum" and "Blue Motel Room". So quite a short list with 3 from DQRD! >>> Kevin, Have you ever heard the "Fiddle and the Drum" cover by A Perfect Circle? It brought me a whole new perspective of the song as it's performed completely a capella and the harmonies are so tight it sometimes gives me chills when I listen to it. I have uploaded it for your listening pleasure to: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=711B786C0E8CB89E Perhaps this recording will help you re-evaluate the song. Warmly, Cassy NP: David Lahm - Song For Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:42:04 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. The other ones to go on the "wish Joni did not write list" (at least from the period from STAS to before WTRF) are "Fiddle and the Drum" and "Blue Motel Room". So quite a short list with 3 from DQRD! - --------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, well I can't comment on the DJRD tunes yet but I can say this. I remember when I first got Hejira (not too long ago) I read a bunch of reviews on it and the one unanimous thought was that Blue Motel Room was a weak song. At that time, I thought "why on Earth would this song get bashed so much?" I really liked it afterall. It's got an old jazzy feel to it which was interesting. Now (I'm very fickle) "I think I understand." I still don't agree that it's a bad song as some reviews suggested as much as it probably is the weakest song on Hejira. And I only say that because Hejira is filled with some top of the line songs, atleast in my opinion. As far as the Fiddle And The Drum goes, well I always skip it (except a live version I have). I like the concept behind the song but I can't help but wish there was musical accompaniment to it. Is there a version that Joni ever did with guitar or piano on that song? Although, I think she did a damn fine job on the song Shadows And Light from the HOSL. Now I know that's not just singing (as Joni plays the farfisa or however/whatever it is spelled or called....my mind fails right now) but it's pretty close to it. It's got a very light music background with Joni's central voice carrying the song and what sounds like a hundred Joni voices responding (I know it's not really a hundred). That's perfect if you ask me! I was really blown away with the singing on that song on first listen (which again was not too long ago).... - -Monika NP: I'm A Loser-the Beatles ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:42:19 -0400 From: srobe444@aol.com Subject: Re: Hiroshima This story is old news, and was reported at least 6 - 7 years ago. The story today actually glossed over the fact that it was the Japanese authorities idea, on the assumption that if there were not prostitutes, there would be mass rape. An assumption made by the Japanese because that was the MO of the Japanese occupying forces. Interesting that Macarthur stopped the practice, isn't it? - -----Original Message----- From: notaro@stpt.usf.edu To: srobe444@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:35 AM Subject: Re: Hiroshima And not a word about the U.S. occupation forces which continued the forced sexual slavery for the "comfort" of American soldiers? Jerry srobe444@aol.com wrote: > Can't really let this one go. > > Although it seems popular now to pretend the Japanese were really > interested in peace (I think Gore Vidal was urging this view in Why We > Fight) the reality is they wanted to end the war on their terms and > essentially pretend that they had never engaged in genocide, violations of > the rules of war, human experimentation, forced sexual slavery, etc. and > etc. They wanted to keep an army and navy, etc. > > Since they were not in any position to dictate terms, being defeated > militarily, as seems to be conceded, it really was a non-starter to speak > of a culturally acceptable surrender. > > Had they capitualted when unconditional surrender was demanded (nothing > vague about that) they could have spared themselves Nagasaki and > Hiroshima. > > Instead they decided to bluff Truman (talk about false and misguided > courage!) and dare him to take the mainland. > > I thank God for Harry Truman, who I believe hoped there was a way around > the A-bomb, but finally came to the reluctant conclusion there was not. > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Hiroshima srobe444@aol.com wrote: > This story is old news, But true, nonetheless. In fact, American soldiers did the very same thing in Africa, enslaving African women. Funny how those history books Bree keeps referring to leave these truths out. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:22:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast Don't know if you're serious about this question, Jeannie, but in case you're not - she was crazy in love with Klein and in that new love-infatuation stage. What makes you happier than that? Nothing, I would say. Bob NP: Bruce, "The Angel" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:32:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. I'm with ya, Monika - I love BMR and I have ever since I first heard it. When I met Joni, this was the song we talked about. Everything about it is great, it's really a great pleasure to sing too. "Fiddle & The Drum" is great too - I don't skip it - ever. And Cassy is right, the Perfect Circle cover will chill you to your bones. Joni doesn't do things at random - the song is done acapella so you can absorb with full impact what she's saying. Bob, happy for every song Joni ever wrote as it makes his search for covers a bigger challenge NP: Jonatha Brooke, "How Deep Is Your Love" - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:45:03 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. Joni doesn't do things at random - the song is done acapella so you can absorb with full impact what she's saying - -------------------------------------------------- Oh, of course. I understand that. Joni's well aware man! Like I said, I do like what the song has to say and I give credit for her to go acapella. There's no hiding behind a guitar anymore like that (not that she has any need to...she has a beautiful voice). But still it's a very brave and ambitious move to make--singing acapella. I don't know but for some reason on Clouds, I do skip it. However, I did enjoy her performance of it on the Dick Cavett Show though. But that could be because like I said before on this list, seeing is believing! I'm a sucker when it comes to anything good live. It just kills me. - -Monika, happy for every song Joni ever wrote as every song and album is part of one big never-ending Joni journey I am currently traveling on....and because the creativity shines in every song whether you like it or not and I love creative people.... ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:40:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come/Blue Motel Room/Fiddle..etc.. - --- Bob Muller wrote: > song get > bashed so much?" > I really liked it afterall.> > > I'm with ya, Monika - I love BMR and I have ever > since I first heard it. When I met Joni, this was > the song we talked about. Everything about it is > great, it's really a great pleasure to sing too. I love "Blue Motel Room" too, anachronisms and all. I've never considered the possibility that maybe it doesn't fit the rest of the concept of the Hejira album. Maybe it was the brief interlude in all Joni's travels. It has an old-timey feel to it, like she was listening to a tinny old radio playing jazz on the porch in the rain. > "Fiddle & The Drum" is great too - I don't skip it > - ever. I gotta admit. I'd just as soon skip "F and the D". Most of the time, it makes me squirm. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:46:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast I am serious, Bob. I'm not always joking. :) I know Larry Klein made her happy but Joni was glowing. Joni's glow comes from within herself. Are you sure it was all infatuation and creativity with Larry Klein? Taming The Tiger is one of content. Was it her new boyfriend then, too? Thank you, Bob, for answering my questions and I mean that with all of my heart. I'm serious, too! Sincerely, Jean Music is your own experience, your thoughts, your wisdom. If you don't live it within yourself, it won't come out of your horn. ~Charlie Parker~ NP: Mister Betty by the Gourds Playing all nite long tonight: My Name is Buddy by Ry Cooder. I just got it last night! It's new and I'm glowing and happy! - --- Bob Muller wrote: > what > made her happy at that time.> > > Don't know if you're serious about this question, > Jeannie, but in case you're not - she was crazy in > love with Klein and in that new love-infatuation > stage. What makes you happier than that? Nothing, I > would say. > > Bob > > NP: Bruce, "The Angel" > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? > Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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