From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #125 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, April 25 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 125 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Review of tribute in SF Chronicle [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: DJRD soon to come [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Trib review [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] critical assement of joni's work [Randy Johnson ] Re: critical assement of joni's work ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: DJRD soon to come [Motitan@aol.com] RS 40 Songs that Changed The World [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: DJRD soon to come [Catherine McKay ] Re: DJRD soon to come [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: DJRD soon to come [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: critical assement of joni's work [Catherine McKay ] RE: DJRD soon to come ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: DJRD soon to come [Bob Muller ] Re: critical assement of joni's work ["Randy Remote" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 [Bruce Eggleston ] Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World [Smurf ] re: DJRD soon to come ["mia _" ] RE: DJRD soon to come [Catherine McKay ] Re: DJRD soon to come [Merk54@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 [Bruce Eggleston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:29:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Review of tribute in SF Chronicle There was a short (paragraph) review of the Nonesuch tribute CD in Sunday's "Pink" section (Datebook) of the San Francisco Chronicle. It was written by a guy named Aidin Vaziri, who stirs things up on a weekly basis with his "Pop Quiz" column. He interviews musicians, and is pretty irreverent, which annoys many people. Anyway, he ends the brief review with this comment: "If you've heard Mitchell do these songs lately, you know that she can no longer do them justice either." Yeah, the last time I was at her place, she did a version of "Edith and the Kingpin" that was horrible. And the way she sings "The Boho Dance" while fixing dinner is just embarrassing. When will she just accept the fact that she can't sing anymore? See, Aidin is all about the annoyance factor! (I got a good chuckle out of that one.) Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:50:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come Hi Monika, DJRD is an amazing record. It starts out with what is probably her strongest intro ("Overture/Cotton Avenue") as you may recall from an earlier question of yours. The interplay between Jaco's bass, her swooping airy vocals and acoustic guitar is awesome. And it has one of my favorite lyrics; "If you have a place to go, you just have to go there - if you've got no place special, then you go no place special." Like the best of her work it's multi-leveled and can be interpreted as simply or as complex as you wish. "Paprika Plains" is a LOT to digest - unfortunately our musical attention spans are not trained to stay that focused for that long. I recommend putting on the headphones and immersing yourself in it and blocking out other intrusions. And don't forget to follow along with the lyrics - she wrote a lot of extra verbage for this one that she doesn't sing. And realize that back in the day this was an entire album side - I think the intent was for you to be able to reflect and ponder when it was completed. As with a lot of this record, dreams are a strong subtext so you have to allow yourself some dreamtime with this one. "Talk To Me" is great fun - a marriage of her affection for the vocal synchopations of Lambert, Hendricks & Ross and the moodiness and rhythms of Hejira. "Jericho" is simply one of the most honest songs about love that I've ever heard - this take is miles ahead of the MOA version. The title track is a sister piece to "Coyote" - in fact she composed them at the same time. You'll notice the similarities immediately andd it won't hinder your enjoyment of the song in any way. "The Silky Veils Of Ardor" is a quilt of lines from various folk songs, woven together to create a song of love & longing. The album is a wonderful journey - I'm anxious to hear what YOU think. And keep in mind, when this record came out (December of 1977) Disco and the emerging punk/pop eras were in full swing. NOBODY was doing anything like this. Bob NP: Easy Star All-Stars, "Paranoid Android" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Surely every JT fan already has it - plus he sings "I wish I had a River so WIDE" which is just dumb - you want the river to be LONG so you can skate away, Mr. Taylor. Doesn't matter how wide it is...matter of fact, the wider it is the more likely it is not to freeze, and then when you're trying to skate away you plunge and die in the frosty depths. But I digress...my point is, there are so many great covers of River by lesser-known artists (who are well-deserving of wider AND longer exposure) like Ms. Crowe that it's a shame to spend this opportunity to show them off. In any event, today's the day this Joni tribute is in your nearby independent record store - go get it. Bob NP: Joni, "You've Changed" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Notaro" Subject: Re: critical assement of joni's work Randy Johnson wrote: > having been a devout fan of joni's for 33 years but a newcomer to this > discussion list could someone please send me numbers of lists where > everyone is not preaching to the choir and agreeing with everyone "our > lady of the canyons" has ever said. Considering you are a newcomer to a list over 10 years old I'd say your assessment is sadly premature. Try reading the archives. There is plenty of both negative and positive analysis of Joni's work there. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:06:01 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: critical assement of joni's work -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Randy Johnson > having been a devout fan of joni's for 33 years but a newcomer to this > discussion list could someone please send me numbers of lists where everyone is > not preaching to the choir and agreeing with everyone "our lady of the canyons" > has ever said. "Everyone" does not do anything here. And just couple of weeks ago there was much disagreement directed towards some statements Joni made in a recent interview. That actually cracks me up as this list is about as diverse as you can get. Probably the only thing everyone would agree on is that they like Joni Mitchell's music in some fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 07:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: critical assement of joni's work yeswearenotlemmingshere - --- waytoblue@comcast.net wrote: > That actually cracks me up as this list is about as diverse as you > can get. Probably the only thing everyone would agree on is that > they like Joni Mitchell's music in some fashion. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:22:21 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come And don't forget to follow along with the lyrics - she wrote a lot of extra verbage for this one that she doesn't sing - ------------------------------ Why is that? Why doesn't she sing them yet includes them on the lyric jacket? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:47:36 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World We all know that lists are debatable; there's usually something on a list that makes us wonder "why?" and other things that make us think, "why wasn't THAT included?" Of course, it's always nice to see Joni favorably included on a list, like the current issue of Rolling Stone's "40 Songs That Changed The World." In their words: # 21, "Help Me"; Joni Mitchell, January, 1974. Why The World Needed It: The seventies needed a soundtrack and Carole King couldn't do all the work, Why It Matters: Mitchell's precise enunciation and guitar playing inspired a wave of singer-songwriters who did their best to sound exactly like her, but her only Top Ten hit exemplifies the lasting influence of her confessional mode of songwriting. And the tricky bob and weave of its arrangement is the essence of the Seventies L.A. sound. Without This Song, No: Tori Amos, Jewel, Phoebe from Friends. Hummm... was I the first to get this in? Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:16:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > > The title track is a sister piece to "Coyote" - in > fact she composed them > at the same time. You'll notice the similarities > immediately andd it won't > hinder your enjoyment of the song in any way. > There's at least one live bootleg show (Philadelphia Spectrum 197... something?) where she does Coyote and DJRD together. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:23:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come 1976 - that medley was a featured part of the tour, with some early lyrics that changed when she got into the studio. Bob NP: Bruce, "Streets of Fire" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Who does she think she is, Kitty Wells? --Smurf NTO: Patti Parlette - --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:36:15 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: DJRD soon to come Joni Mitchell The Spectrum Philadelphia, PA February 16, 1976 Disc 1: 01) Help Me 02) Love or Money 03) Free Man in Paris 04) The Dowie Dens of Yarrow 05) For the Roses 06) Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 07) Big Yellow Taxi 08) Shades of Scarlett Conquering 09) For Free 10) Coyote/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 11) Just Like This Train Disc 2: 01) Shadows and Light 02) In France They Kiss on Main Street 03) Edith and the Kingpin 04) Talk to Me 05) Harry's House/Centerpiece 06) Furry Sings the Blues 07) Trouble Child 08) Rainy Night House 09) Don't Interrupt The Sorrow 10) Raised on Robbery 11) The Jungle Line 12) Twisted - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 3:24 PM To: Catherine McKay Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come 1976 - that medley was a featured part of the tour, with some early lyrics that changed when she got into the studio. 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Autos. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:30:20 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: critical assement of joni's work Hi Randy & welcome to the list-always room for another Randy : >() From: "Randy Johnson" > having been a devout fan of joni's for 33 years but a newcomer to this > discussion list >could someone please send me numbers of lists where > everyone is not preaching to >the choir and agreeing with everyone "our > lady of the canyons" has ever said. Yes-you found that list already. There are people here who like her early stuff but not her later stuff, and vice versa. Certainly many discussions about her sometimes outlandish and uninformed statements, as well as her wisdom in general. This is a Joni Mitchell list, after all, so expect it to be populated with people who dig The Joan. Doesn't mean we all drank the Kool-Aid. >since she's lately been quoted that she sequesters herself in classical >music, does she >have the equivalent of food tasters, i.e., music tasters >in her crowd, who turn her >on to the truly good stuff out there? like how did she stumble across and learn to love >the group "The New Radicals" This is one of the things I have brought up before, she simultaneously slags 'all modern music' as crap, then admits she doesn't listen to music, so...uh...how do ya know?....she has also said she likes Journey-to me it's vacuous pap but to itch his own. I could sit her down and play her a few things. I think the music scene today is as diverse and healthy as it's ever been; on the other hand, if you are judging from the Top 40, obviously it's mostly aural junkfood. The lady is opinionated, you take it with a grain of salt. The music's the thing. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 16:41:36 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World > Of course, it's always nice to see Joni favorably included on > a list, like the current issue of Rolling Stone's "40 Songs That Changed > The > World." In their words: > # 21, "Help Me"; Joni Mitchell, January, 1974. > Why The World Needed It: The seventies needed a soundtrack and Carole > King couldn't do all the work, > Why It Matters: Mitchell's precise enunciation and guitar playing > inspired a wave of singer-songwriters who did their best to sound exactly > like her, > but her only Top Ten hit exemplifies the lasting influence of her > confessional > mode of songwriting. And the tricky bob and weave of its arrangement is > the > essence of the Seventies L.A. sound. > Without This Song, No: Tori Amos, Jewel, Phoebe from Friends. > Hummm... was I the first to get this in? > Kenny B Yes, I do believe you are. And as much as I love seeing Joni appreciated, I can't really see how this song did anything to change the world. It's about as close to a "ditty" as she has done. BYT or BSN have had more impact on the cultural whatchamacallit than those. I would say maybe the album Blue changed the world in the same way Bob Dylan did, by invoking the wow factor in everyone who heard it. RR npimh: "Smelly Cat" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:38:05 +1000 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album I really like Taming the Tiger. I just love the title song. I9m haunted by the lines I watched the stars chuck down their spears/ and a plane went blinking by/ and I thought of Anna wild and dear/ like fireworks in the sky. I also really love 3Love Puts on a New Face2. In fact, I think TTT is what got me interested in Joni. A previous breakfast announcer (Angela Catterns) on my favourite news radio station (ABC 702) played several tracks when TTT was first released and it prompted me to take a look at Joni9s work. Angela played The Crazy Cries of Love and My Best To You. Imagine my delight when I started to listen to Joni9s other work via the Hits CD - I know even Joni herself was reluctant to release this, but it gave me a good introduction to her work. I then bought Blue, followed by LOTC, C&S, THOSL, Hejira and relished these for a while before venturing into all the other albums. Just my 2 cents worth. Melissa in Sydney - delurking for a while NP: Sweet Thing, Jeff Buckley, Live at Sin-e ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:47:23 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World Do you have the entire list? I mean you don't have to type out everything RS wrote but I just like to see what songs were included...or atleast the top 10 perhaps? - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 22:01:12 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World 40 songs...that's nothing! Try typing 99 songs both song and artist as well as side comments...now that would be a feat! Victor, in a jovial mood...probably because of so much studying and practicing ps. hint-the 99 songs were from the Performing Songwriter list On Apr 24, 2007, at 9:47 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Do you have the entire list? I mean you don't have to type out > everything > RS wrote but I just like to see what songs were included...or > atleast the top > 10 perhaps? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:45:47 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 Isn't it ponderous that our intoxicating moon is the archetype, that is to say that our slinking moon has no name of her own, but she owns bits of all the moons? If Earth is Gea. the Moon is Gea, Gea Mona, (I said uh) bomp, bomp bomp_bompbomp. (Say Heayyeayea Mona). we are s t a rr d uss t uh we are g oooo oo oo ll den And we got to get ourselffs back tooo (I said uh) bomp, bomp bomp_bompbomp. (Say Heayyeayea Mona) right about the starrrs, wrong about the (Say Heayyeayea Mona) Bomp bomp say wrong about the Bomp Bomp, wrong about the Bomp Bomp mmmooooooonn-uh. Kissing on Main Street, Bonneville Bruce Sunnyslope, Idaho P.S. Your assignment is to arrange and record this and we'll produce he Jonilista album, "Wrong about the Moon" Vol. Deux. On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:50:07 EDT > From: LCStanley7@aol.com > Subject: moon, njc > > Hi Ya'll, > > I was just reading some posts written right after the jonifest > because > I'm way behind on digests. I have this image in my mind of the > lunar module > moving away from the moon back toward the earth. I haven't landed > yet... and > I don't want to. > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:08:14 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 At the time that courageous Truman dropped the largest mass murder devices on Japan, the Japanese ambassadors were trying to sue for peace through side-channel diplomacy in Moscow and other avenues. Our culture didn't understand their version of peace making, with a component of face-saving and meeting of the minds. It can be argued that the war might have ended without this final slaughter of 300,00 to 600,000 people if these diplomatic channels had been allowed to open up and follow their course. This is also fact. Please do your homework before confusing the party line with facts. Japan was already defeated for all strategic and tactical aspects concerning the ability to wage further war. They were reduced to defending their homeland, there were no other significant battlefronts in the Pacific theater. They were defeated, but had no culturally acceptable way to surrender. No one knew the potential for destruction when we unleashed the atomic bomb. There was a serious side-bet at Los Alamos that the chain-reaction of the first atomic bomb would either a) stop as planned, or b) just keep going until a considerable amount of the planet was involved in the chain reaction, e.g. the Western United States, or North America. They didn't know for certain. They didn't know what would would happen when the two bombs were exploded over Heroshima or Nagasaki. They didn't know. Is this courage or insanity? Is this bad science or good war. This was not America's most courageous moment. Please don't attempt to re-write history. Read and learn from history. Peace really is the answer, you only have to ask the right question. That might be, "How can our species survive?" Facts and truths indeed! Bonneville Bruce Praying to all the gods on the Sunnyslope, Idaho. On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:25:02 -0400 > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Subject: RE: TX hooters njc > > Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and > truths ... > > >> Bree wrote: <> Truman"? ;-) >> He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. >> Yes..thousands died >> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >> >> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> >> Mia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 19:12:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: RS 40 Songs that Changed The World Here you go, Monika: http://www.rollingstoneextras.com/patron40songs/ - --Smurf - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Do you have the entire list? I mean you don't have > to type out everything > RS wrote but I just like to see what songs were > included...or atleast the top > 10 perhaps? > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:51:10 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: DJRD soon to come Monica, you are in for a real treat. I trust your tastes are like mine since we are probably the only two people on the planet who dislike Sgt. Pepper's - lol! The feel of DJRD is more like cool, sexy...some songs almost have a sinister kind of feel. Joni's acoustic guitar is sort of twangy... some of the low strings are loose, which adds a cool effect. And the dynamics on the acoustic guitar sound so.. I don't know..wild - especially combined with Jaco's bass. Jericho is one of my favorites and sounds nothing like the MOA version (which I don't really care for). Offnight Backstreet is haunting and sinister; Talk To Me is very spazola-ish...in a very cool and funny way; Don Juan's Reckless Daughter is also another favorite, the music and lyrics soar. They're all great songs - although I wouldn't say Dreamland is representative of the album, but the placement of that song on the album is a necessity that helps string the journey together - the entire album is a journey, an exploration of sorts. Happy listening, Mia <> _________________________________________________________________ Dont quit your job  Take Classes Online and Earn your Degree in 1 year. Start Today! http://www.classesusa.com/clickcount.cfm?id=866146&goto=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.classesusa.com%2Ffeaturedschools%2Fonlinedegreesmp%2Fform-dyn1.html%3Fsplovr%3D866144 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: DJRD soon to come - --- Bob Muller wrote: > My point was that there was nothing extra special > about the medley in that Spectrum show - she did it > at every stop on that abbreviated tour. Now the > "Dowie Dens of Yarrow"...that's a whole 'nuther > story. The show that Richard posted is the only time > she performed that one as far as I can tell. Guesses > at most - I've got (4) of those '76 shows and they > all have the medley, but only the Spectrum/Philly > show has that gem. > > Bob > Worth it for that alone. I was going to say 1976 but doubted myself. Lesson learned? Never doubt yourself (or look it up.) Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:12 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD soon to come Don Juan's Reckless Daughter! A-h-h-h-h-! The title alone is brilliant! It's funny, because if asked, I always say Hejira is my favorite, but if you ask which one I play the most, it's Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. The Overture to Cotton Avenue (which by the way, isn't even mentioned in the track listing on JoniMitchell.com!) is the greatest introduction I've ever heard. The guitar playing is exquisite, and it contains possibly one of the greatest bass notes ever record! Crank this baby up to 11 and it's euphoric (just be prepared to turn it down a little when Cotton Avenue kicks in). The rest of the album is also a learned delight. Jerico definitely transcends the MOA version. Paprika Plans transports you to another place and time. "They're such sky oriented people, geared to changing weather." I've never heard a farmer described so eloquently. Only Joni would have the audacity to release a double album, and have one whole side of an album be a semi-classical epic about farmers and discos and the plight of the Indian. And then there's the title track - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. I consider this her second greatest song (surpassed only by Hejira). The lyrics as a complex and wonderful as anything she's ever done. Duality is a reoccurring theme with Joni, and it's never been better served. "It was just plane shadow to train shadow, but to me it was skin to skin". How do you write something like this? There might not be a ton of melody on this song, but the rhythm and the instrumentation more than makes up for that. I've seen Joni perform live numerous times, but regrettably, I never got to see her perform this song. The rest of the album is also great, but to me, these are the highlights. It might take a listen or two, but when you finally get it, you'll be glad you did. Jack ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:08:14 -0600 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #166 At the time that courageous Truman dropped the largest mass murder devices on Japan, the Japanese ambassadors were trying to sue for peace through side-channel diplomacy in Moscow and other avenues. Our culture didn't understand their version of peace making, with a component of face-saving and meeting of the minds. It can be argued that the war might have ended without this final slaughter of 300,00 to 600,000 people if these diplomatic channels had been allowed to open up and follow their course. This is also fact. Please do your homework before confusing the party line with facts. Japan was already defeated for all strategic and tactical aspects concerning the ability to wage further war. They were reduced to defending their homeland, there were no other significant battlefronts in the Pacific theater. They were defeated, but had no culturally acceptable way to surrender. No one knew the potential for destruction when we unleashed the atomic bomb. There was a serious side-bet at Los Alamos that the chain-reaction of the first atomic bomb would either a) stop as planned, or b) just keep going until a considerable amount of the planet was involved in the chain reaction, e.g. the Western United States, or North America. They didn't know for certain. They didn't know what would would happen when the two bombs were exploded over Heroshima or Nagasaki. They didn't know. Is this courage or insanity? Is this bad science or good war. This was not America's most courageous moment. Please don't attempt to re-write history. Read and learn from history. Peace really is the answer, you only have to ask the right question. That might be, "How can our species survive?" Facts and truths indeed! Bonneville Bruce Praying to all the gods on the Sunnyslope, Idaho. On Apr 24, 2007, at 1:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:25:02 -0400 > From: "Bree Mcdonough" > Subject: RE: TX hooters njc > > Mia...it might be disturbing....but it is history. Facts and > truths ... > > >> Bree wrote: <> Truman"? ;-) >> He dropped the big one on Japan. Bringing WWII quickly to a >> close..and thus saving thousands of American lives. >> Yes..thousands died >> but thousands more were saved in the long run.>> >> >> This statement disturbs me deeply. >> >> Mia ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #125 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)