From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, April 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 122 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen [Gert] Re: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen [Catherine McKay ] STAS cover [Motitan@aol.com] Most underrated/overrated album [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen [Gertus@aol.co] Re: Most underrated/overrated album [jeannie Subject: Re: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen - --- Gertus@aol.com wrote: > _The arts column | Music | Arts | Telegraph_ > (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/04/18/baarts118.xml) > > > Rupert Christiansen is the London Daily Telegraph's > opera critic and has > shown himself in the past to be a true Joni fan. He > still is but, in this > article, has probably misunderstood Joni's role in > the ballet. He seems to think > she has written the score whereas, as I understood > it, she simply suggested > which of her songs should be included. Is that > right? > > Jacky That's my understanding as well. I found it a bit of a confusing read, not helped by the headline (most likely written by an editor, not the writer),which suggests that the article is all about the ballet. But the first half is a review of the tribute CD, whereas the second half expresses Christiansen's concerns about pop musicians (including Joni) overreaching themselves by creating "classical" works of some kind. And then there's a last line (most likely not Christiansen's either) that says the tribute CD will be released next Monday. The article coulda used a better headline, and I think Christiansen is mistaken about Joni "writing" the score. Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 08:14:41 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni's Feet exposed! Go to: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/music/captive-on-the-carousel-of-time/2007/04/20/1176697070492.html Interview and a nice pic of a barefoot Joni. I'M AN UPPITY female," Joni Mitchell says while sitting in the kitchen of her house in an upmarket neighbourhood of Los Angeles. "In the media, there's no one like me. I'm as good as - and better than - most. But I'm not given my fair shake." Mitchell's house is big, warm and rustic, very much the abode of a working artist. A large pot of brushes sits out; a giant painting is propped against a wall. She looks healthy and serene, younger than her years, dressed in a casual smock and no-nonsense boots, and laughs readily and infectiously. When Mitchell announced her retirement as a recording artist in 2002, she did so spitting bile at what the music business had become. She bowed out with Travelogue, an orchestral revisiting of her earlier work, and quietly set about directing her creativity at her surviving passion: visual art. It's hard to reconcile that embittered woman of 58 with the energised, feisty, funny 63-year-old before me now. "Here," Mitchell says when I arrive, "let me hug you." I'm here as the producer of a two-part radio series in which Mitchell talks to her friend and fellow songwriter Amanda Ghost, whose R&B song Beautiful Liar, which she co-wrote for Beyonce and Shakira, has raced up the US charts. From the next room, I can hear the elegant strains of Mitchell's work in progress. Tentatively titled Shine, featuring a new version of Big Yellow Taxi and due later in the year, it will be her first album of new songs since 1998's Taming the Tiger........................................... Laura P.S. Do you know that if you sign-up for Borders Rewards you will get 30% and/or 20% off coupons in your email to be used at BORDERS BOOKS in-store or on-line monthly? http://www.bordersrewards.com/landing.aspx It makes those CDs and DVDs you want more affordable. It's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 09:30:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's Feet exposed! This one does have a lot of the music-business-bashing and other stories we've already heard from Joni many times over, but it also comes off as more positive as well. And here's what the writer says about the ballet: "The newly inspired Mitchell has lately immersed herself in The Fiddle and the Drum, a ballet based on her songs and art by the Alberta Ballet Company in her native Canada. From merely advising on which of her songs to use, she has progressed to designing the set and collaborating with choreographer Jean Grand-Maitre." - --- est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Go to: > http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/music/captive-on-the-carousel-of-time/2007/04/20/1176697070492.html > > Interview and a nice pic of a barefoot Joni. > Catherine Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:24:38 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: STAS cover I almost forgot to mention, a little while ago I saw some music magazine (one of those British ones) that featured the greatest album covers of many different genres/styles. This mag included Joni's STAS (I forget what she was lumped in with...they had different categories like stage covers....or psychedelic covers....or soft rock, etc). It also included who designed the cover, a few little facts, and such. Always good to read something Joni in magazines! - -Mon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:55:41 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Most underrated/overrated album What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? And better yet (perhaps more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most overrated album? And of course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so don't feel bad. For example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. There are just better albums to me although I do like the album (love Within You, Without You and a Day In The Life). - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 13:30:30 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni is heading for a fall at the ballet writes Rupert Christiansen In a message dated 21/04/2007 14:07:46 GMT Standard Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: I found it a bit of a confusing read, not helped by the headline (most likely written by an editor, not the writer),which suggests that the article is all about the ballet. But the first half is a review of the tribute CD, whereas the second half expresses Christiansen's concerns about pop musicians (including Joni) overreaching themselves by creating "classical" works of some kind. Yes, but I understand what he's saying about pop artists getting involved in "classical projects" as they often don't work. I haven't heard the latest McCartney work but reviews haven't been great. I have listened to Sting's lute album and enjoyed the lute playing but felt Sting's singing just didn't come off. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: Most underrated/overrated album Maybe, Mingus is the most underrrated and Court and Spark the most overrated. If the public was not on such communal short attention span, then they'd listen and hear what Joni's awesome intensity is all about. She's a dancer, a beautiful singer, a painter, a humanitarian and lover of all mankind. By the way, I like when Joni did a self-portrait a la' Frida Kahlo. Alot alike, these two extremely passionate, sufridas (suffragettes), sensitive and lovely women of color. I too find Frida's writings so preciously provocative and her paintings color up suffering and beauty of the first degree and invoke so much sorrow. It really takes the heart of Mary to be a woman of this sort of canvas cloth of love and they certainly don't let anybody interrupt their personal sorrows because there is comfort in this sort of melancholy where there's no need to explain, so we find another ways, such as painting with words and speaking with paintings because the Spirit talks in so, so many levels and spectrums...bottom line, it's all about LOVE! - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? > And better yet (perhaps > more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most > overrated album? And of > course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so > don't feel bad. For > example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say > Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. There > are just better albums to me although I do like the > album (love Within You, > Without You and a Day In The Life). > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at http://www.aol.com. > Dreaming, dancing with blacktar babies, Jeannie jjj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 22:19:55 +0200 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Most underrated/overrated album I think that CAS is definitely overrated and THOSL is the most underrated. To me, THOSL is just as good as Hejira. Mingus might be underrated, I am not one to tell since I don't get Mingus myself. The most overrated song Joni has written is Big Yellow Taxi, if you ask me. It certainly is a nice little sing-along song but she has done so much better! I'm a little surprised to find that she has after all given in to "the business" by putting it on every collection of her work, and even the brandnew one coming up has a new version of it, or so I heard anyway. I'm not saying that it has nothing to say, we still haven't resolved our environmental problems, far from it, but "don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you got 'til it's gone" just sounds a bit too simple these days. But - it's one of her rare hits, maybe it would be asking too much of her not to go on exploiting that success. Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr Motitan@aol.com Skickat: den 21 april 2007 17:56 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Most underrated/overrated album What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? And better yet (perhaps more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most overrated album? And of course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so don't feel bad. For example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. There are just better albums to me although I do like the album (love Within You, Without You and a Day In The Life). - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:17:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album Hi Marion, Concerning the hit performed by many others, Big Yellow Taxi, yes, it may be very simple--but I don't think Joni's exploiting the success of BYT. To me, the song's true success is it's simple message which is alot more revelant now than what it was way back when Joni made the song. That song was the eye opener of many who were blind to the fact that we were destroying our planet..and still, children like my nieces who were here with me last night (we had a pajama party ages 3, 5, 7, and 49) can use the song as a reference to why we should leave spots on our apples to leave us the birds and the bees because they already took away our fireflies and so many pretty insects are dying away. They can't read the Kyoto Protocol so they have Joni's song to sing along to. They have the Keb'Mo version singing along with his little boy, they have the Amy Grant version, and they have the other version with a guy singing real nice and lively and they always play that one at the stores as you shop. And they have the Joni Mitchell version and that's their favorite. Last night they were playing claves, maracas, brazilian nut shakers, guiro and we were dancing away to Joni and her black tar babies!! Now, that to me is true success :) Hurt not the earth Neither sea Nor the trees. Revelations 7:3 - -- Marion Leffler wrote: > I think that CAS is definitely overrated and THOSL > is the most underrated. > To me, THOSL is just as good as Hejira. Mingus might > be underrated, I am not > one to tell since I don't get Mingus myself. > The most overrated song Joni has written is Big > Yellow Taxi, if you ask me. > It certainly is a nice little sing-along song but > she has done so much > better! I'm a little surprised to find that she has > after all given in to > "the business" by putting it on every collection of > her work, and even the > brandnew one coming up has a new version of it, or > so I heard anyway. I'm > not saying that it has nothing to say, we still > haven't resolved our > environmental problems, far from it, but "don't it > always seem to go that > you don't know what you got 'til it's gone" just > sounds a bit too simple > these days. But - it's one of her rare hits, maybe > it would be asking too > much of her not to go on exploiting that success. > Marion > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr > Motitan@aol.com > Skickat: den 21 april 2007 17:56 > Till: joni@smoe.org > Dmne: Most underrated/overrated album > > What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? > And better yet (perhaps > > more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most > overrated album? And of > course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so > don't feel bad. For > example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say > Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. > There > are just better albums to me although I do like the > album (love Within You, > > Without You and a Day In The Life). > -Monika > > > > ************************************** See what's > free at > http://www.aol.com. Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:23:08 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album Sorry that I wrote revelant instead of relevant--I guess I was thinking revelation or was I thinking revolucion? - --- jeannie wrote: > Hi Marion, > > To me, > the > song's true success is it's simple message which is > alot more revelant now than what it was way back > when > Joni made the song. > Hurt not the earth > Neither sea > Nor the trees. > > Revelations 7:3 Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: jeannie Subject: Fwd: Re: SV: Most underrated/overrated album I got a dizzy dancing way you feel with all that relevant stuff. What I was thinking is the phrase which keeps playing in my head 'Oh the jealousy The greed Is the unraveling and it undoes all the joy that could be I wanna talk to 'ya I wanna shampoo 'ya I wanna renew you again and again Alive, Alive Life is our cause When I think of your kisses My mind see-saws Do you see? Do you see? Do you see how you hurt me, baby? So I hurt you, too And we both get sooo blue//a little strummin' and hummin' and that's Joni Mitchell in my head! - --- jeannie wrote: > Sorry that I wrote revelant instead of relevant--I > guess I was thinking revelation or was I thinking > revolucion? > Dreaming Dreamland, Jeannie jjj Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:04:10 +0100 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Most underrated/overrated album Funny you should raise this subject Monika! I only just did a review on Amazon for Clouds, putting accross how underrated I think it is. Overrated - Hejira. Ste >From: Motitan@aol.com >Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Most underrated/overrated album >Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 11:55:41 EDT > >What do you think is Joni's most underrated album? And better yet >(perhaps >more difficult), what do you think is Joni's most overrated album? And of >course overrated doesn't mean you don't like it so don't feel bad. For >example, I love the Beatles but I can EASILY say Sgt. Pepper is OVERRATED. > There >are just better albums to me although I do like the album (love Within >You, >Without You and a Day In The Life). >-Monika > > > >************************************** See what's free at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #122 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)