From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #113 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, April 13 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 113 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni part of Photo Exhibit in Daytona Beach ["Lindsay Moon" ] Not exactltly my opinion :-) [Paul Headon ] Re: Not exactltly my opinion :-) ["gene" ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. [Andeemac2006 ] Joni Mitchell - Music & Words [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. ["Randy Re] KVG ["gene" ] Re: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. [Motitan@a] Re: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. [Em ] Henry Diltz [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:42:37 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni part of Photo Exhibit in Daytona Beach Kenny, thanks for writing about that! I did see a Diltz exhibit here in downtown San Diego where he was there chatting with people. (Ask Kakki to chime in on her experiences with Diltz). The movie "Almost Famous" was out around that time and I remember gazing at those beautiful photos in Henry's exhibition and thinking, 'No, no, forget that made-up movie. *This* is the real experience!' I also visited his retail store in Hollywood not too long ago (right after going to the gallery to see her "Green Flag Song" exhibit) and then I know he has another store in La Jolla right near me. But at no time did I see any video footage and now I'm completely jealous. Dang! Now I have to fly to Florida?? BTW, has anyone had the experience of getting some kind of notice that the Joni Mitchell website has expired? It is my default setting and twice now when I've opened the internet, I've gotten that notice. I thought Les said he'd received enough in donations from the Fest to keep the site going another six months. Send the money, Les! My heart can't take this! Twice while in Starbucks, "Help Me" has been playing. Am waiting for some bystander to wonder aloud who that wonderful singer is and then I can have free license to go on a ramble . ; ) Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 08:06:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni part of Photo Exhibit in Daytona Beach Not at all, Lindsay - you can buy the DVD "Under The Covers" and enjoy it in the company of your wonderful family (just tell Dennis to get his headphones ready!). As for JoniMitchell.com, I got the same messages yesterday but today it's back up & running. I was getting ready to put an APB out on Les for taking the fest $$ and running, but it looks like he's an OK dude after all. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Someone else in the circle was also especially happy that we did that one... can't remember his name though. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:11:41 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re:Chronology of Joni Songs > From: Doug > Subject: 1960s Songwriting Chronology > > This is something I've wanted to compile for a few years now. ..... > ..... I would like to find the dates the songs were written, within > a few months if possible, drawing from interviews or things said during > performances. For example, in the 1968 Broadside interview, > she said that Urge For Going developed from August to October 1965. > > Any other Early Joni fanatics want to add or correct? > > Doug > Hey, Doug, According to the video I just saw at the Henry Diltz photo exhibit in Daytona Beach, the well-known photo of Joni & Graham in the back seat of the car taking CSN to a photo shoot was shot in 1969. As they were driving, Joni was writing the lyrics for "Willy" (song to Nash) so you can add that to your list. If you could find the date they did that shoot, you'd have an exact day that song was written. It's probably documented in one of the many books about CSN- if I come across any more clues for you, I'll let you know. Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:18:34 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #110 > Monika says > "next year I want to step it up. I got this idea driving home > this year. Next Jonifest, I am going to bring my video camcorder and tape > a > part of the festivities. I will then edit it down and make a > Jonifest-umentary! " > Hi, Monika, Someone actually videotaped the 2003 JoniFest performances and Ashara made it available afterward on, like, SIX DVD's... so it's been done before. But I'm sure everyone would love to have ANY gathering of Joni fans documented, so if you feel up to the task, go for it! Perhaps there are copies of the 2003 fest still available or else someone could make some up if there's a demand? Kenny B ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 11:44:12 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: Chronology of Joni Songs Thanks Kenny, Those are the kind of clues I'm looking for. For BYT Joni says she was inspired when she looked out the hotel window while with CSNY on tour in Hawaii, so I checked the tour dates. They played Honolulu on Nov 22 1969. Voila! She played the song at Worcester MA Nov 29 1969. Doug PassScribe@aol.com wrote: >> From: Doug >> Subject: 1960s Songwriting Chronology >> >> This is something I've wanted to compile for a few years now. ..... >> ..... I would like to find the dates the songs were written, within >> a few months if possible, drawing from interviews or things said during >> performances. For example, in the 1968 Broadside interview, >> she said that Urge For Going developed from August to October 1965. >> >> Any other Early Joni fanatics want to add or correct? >> >> Doug >> >> > Hey, Doug, > According to the video I just saw at the Henry Diltz photo exhibit in > Daytona Beach, the well-known photo of Joni & Graham in the back seat of the car > taking CSN to a photo shoot was shot in 1969. As they were driving, Joni was > writing the lyrics for "Willy" (song to Nash) so you can add that to your > list. If you could find the date they did that shoot, you'd have an exact day that > song was written. It's probably documented in one of the many books about > CSN- if I come across any more clues for you, I'll let you know. > > Kenny B > > > ************************************** > See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:49:06 +0100 From: Paul Headon Subject: Not exactltly my opinion :-) Here is a criticism of Joni on the BBC site here in the UK I thought you might like to see this. I laughed for minutes. "Let's face it, Joni Mitchell was a one-trick pony whose lack of real talent was cruelly exposed once the drugs wore off. Her pretentious arrogance will leave her in the lay-by of musical history with some of those other has beens mentioned, Dylan, Waits, Cohen. Sure they all wrote a few good tunes 40 years ago, but none have them have recorded anything worthwhile in at least 25 years. Can we move on please!" Paul Headon Wales ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 10:01:46 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: Re: Not exactltly my opinion :-) heh!heh!heh! the guy is either off his medication or on drugs. balderedash!! gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Headon" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:49 AM Subject: Not exactltly my opinion :-) > Here is a criticism of Joni on the BBC site here in the UK I thought > you might like to see this. I laughed for minutes. > > "Let's face it, Joni Mitchell was a one-trick pony whose lack of real > talent was cruelly exposed once the drugs wore off. Her pretentious > arrogance will leave her in the lay-by of musical history with some of > those other has beens mentioned, Dylan, Waits, Cohen. Sure they all > wrote a few good tunes 40 years ago, but none have them have recorded > anything worthwhile in at least 25 years. Can we move on please!" > > > Paul Headon > > Wales > > !DSPAM:144,461e62a577864260914551! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:03:31 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Copy Ron on any responses.. - -----Original Message----- To Whom It May Concern: Re- Joni's creative process: would you happen to know which tends to come first for her, the music or the lyrics. Thanks, Ron Jones r6164j@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:02:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. All of this started when people berated Joni for using Synths on her previews of her new album some of which I think were early mixes What is wrong with using Syths on her albums ??? its not as if playing Guitar is anything new or original, Is it?? I mean do music lovers of the last 6 years think that Guitar music is original to the Century 2000 Of coarse some of you say its boring to play Guitar solos for 2 or 3 minutes, no all we get is Strum Strum Strum Strum VERY BORING !!!!!!!!!! The plain fact is that many bands cant play Electric Guitar solos to save there life, let alone Keyboard Solos I repeat there is nothing new you can do with the Guitar that Pat Metheny, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmie Page, Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Robert Fripp, Ray Vaughn, Duane Allman, Lowell George, Paul simon and Joni Mitchell and many more specialist acoustic Guitar players that the world has seen throught the 60' 70' and 80'... havent done already. My point to another person is that leave Joni alone, there are 100 - 200 bands out there that sing boring stupid lyrics with tottaly non original riffs that they think are original to this Century!!!!!!! there tracks have hardly no Production on them all you hear is strum strum strum boring Melodys bass and drums, some thrashing the living daytlights out of them like the guy on the Muppet show. But are you saying this that these bands will rank with the all time greats???? ask your self the Question why there is so much excitment to the Police reforming soon,, I know thy Answer do you Stewart Copeland, great truly great drummer exciting drummer, Sting a great Bass player who comes up with great riffs, Andy Summer a much copied guitar player with tremendous talent, and of course Sting has written some of the most marveolous Melodys of the last two decades in PoP songs, Yes Melodys. This is why people look forward to the up and coming Police concerts. There is no comparable Band of the 2000 years around, all we get is strum strum strum thrash thrash thrash (and dont say U2 there another band from the 80's ) But this is ok!!!!!!! everybody has the right to choose there own music !!! just dont accuse Joni's music ever of being uncoool or not fashionable when the FASHION SO CALLED IS PLAYING GUITARS a medium that in originality is spent. and I still say that Depeche Mode are very ORIGINAL no one else plays there music the way they do I look forward to when keyboard players come to the fore in Pop Rock music again. It will happen eventually ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 16:26:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Joni Mitchell - Music & Words Ron, there may be some exceptions to the rule, but for the most part it's music first and then lyric. She tells two stories, one about writing "Two Grey Rooms" where she basically sat on the music for about 10 years waiting for the right lyric. She said that she kept hearing French Dipthongs in her head. The other is about the writing of Magdalene Laundries, where she set out to write a happy song, tuned her guitar to the "sounds of the day" (birds & such) and then saw a headline in the newspaper about the Scandal concerning the excavation of the unmarked graves at the Laundries. With that in her mind, she composed the not-so-happy lyrics to that song. Hope that helps. Bob - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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No, but neither are synths-at this point they've been in popular music for forty-some years, just a little less than electric guitars. If you really want original music, you will have to invent a totally new instrument. And then play it well! RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:18:03 -0700 From: "gene" Subject: KVG thanks for everything KV especially Breakfast of champions and Bluebeard. but all was good well maybe not Time quake but the charecter of the man was more than his works. he contributed to our yogurt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:47:49 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. repeat there is nothing new you can do with the Guitar that Pat Metheny, Jimi Hendrix, Jimmie Page, Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Robert Fripp, Ray Vaughn, Duane Allman, Lowell George, Paul simon and Joni Mitchell and many more specialist acoustic Guitar players that the world has seen throught the 60' 70' and 80'... havent done already - --------------------------------- Hmm....I refuse to believe that. Call me naive...call me idealistic but I think the guitar has a world of possibilities! Sure, I do agree, no one right now is doing anything original with the guitar but every now and then a "swoop" comes along bringing something special in it. I just can't give in to believing that originality and art is dead. No way. Maybe it's hibernating, but it's certainly not dead. The same goes for synths and keyboards. There's no end to these instruments. Something new can be found. Musicians just have to look! But some probably think, why look when we can sound like some other band, have a hit, make some $$$ and that's it. I think it's all about the "buck" rather than the "bang" these days as far as popular music goes. The record industry is to blame a bit for that as well. They just want another "Nickelback" to give 'em a hit, dump them, and find yet another "Nickelback." That's how I see it anyway. I mean, I see more originality going to open mic nights and playing at shows with fellow musicians/bands than I hear in the Top 40 today. That's just my opinion though. Take it or leave it but if you search, it's there man. - -Monika "Rock and roll can never die." ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 18:33:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. > repeat there is nothing new you can do with the Guitar that Pat > Metheny, > Jimi > Hendrix, Jimmie Page, Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Robert Fripp, Ray > Vaughn, > Duane > Allman, Lowell George, Paul simon and Joni Mitchell and many more > specialist > acoustic > Guitar players that the world has seen throught the 60' 70' and > 80'... > havent done already so maybe the answer is to continue the traditions of those mentioned, til the stars align and there is once more the correct cosmic fertilizer to spawn new stuff that's never been heard before. At least half those mentioned had traditional elements to all or some of their music. The answer is keep on keeping on. Just play as journeymen (and women) - and one of these decades somebody'll think of something new. In the mean time, you have to dig deeper to find the excellent. Its no longer handed to us on a silver platter, as back then. The last Red Hot Chili Peppers album had some guitar and bass and production stuff I've never heard before. New textures and ways of playing. All within the rock and roll context (thank you jesus) but still way diff. There's just lots to wade through. Some one who came up with her own style in the last 10 years or so is Laura Love. There was nothing like that before, on the whole. Whole new fresh ways of layering sounds and mixing styles. New recipes! I'll be the 1st to agree that the 60's and 70's spawned amazingly fantastic stuff, but there's still good new stuff - its just alot of it is not on mainstream radio. So you gotta hunt! But maybe people should HAVE to hunt. Then when you *find* it makes it all the more sweet and like a miracle. I would love to be able to go to some of what are thought of as "folk" festivals, but really some kick ass original songwriting is coming through there. Wish to go to Falcon Ridge someday. Would get to see Richard Shindell! there's a case right there. Proof that fine songwriting is not dead. And the man plays some very tasty guitar, too. Also, what did Paul Simon do on guitar, specifically on guitar, that was so different? I mean, yeah, in his early days before he hurt his hand, he did a competent "Angie".....but from what I understand it was all the rage to learn that tune back then. Otherwise his guitar playing was a tool for getting the songs across, and beautifully, but not sure I'd put Paul out there as a guitar god. Em http://www.myspace.com/emzdogz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 19:58:01 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni using Synths on her new album and guitar music today. > repeat there is nothing new you can do with the Guitar that Pat > Metheny, Jimi > Hendrix, Jimmie Page, Frank Zappa, Eric Clapton, Robert Fripp, Ray > Vaughn, Duane > Allman, Lowell George, Paul simon and Joni Mitchell and many more > specialist acoustic > Guitar players that the world has seen throught the 60' 70' and > 80'... havent done already Check back in 100 years and see if this statement is still valid. Les NP - Wayne Shorter "Ju Ju" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:12:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Mingus Songbook Ok...I know someone must have it. If you do, can I request a favor from you? Pretty please. The little jazz musician/vocalist wannabe over here would love to have the Joni version copy of Goodbye Porkpie Hat. Or Dry Cleaner from Des Moines. Heck, I'd love them all, but I know I can't be greedy or nuthin'. So GPPH or DCFDM would be just fine. GPPH is my first choice however. I'm pretty skeptical on it even being in the songbook because of the fact that she technically didn't write it, but it is so different from Mingus's that I am hoping she did put it in there. You know who I need? Larry Klein. Anyone got his number? Or hell, maybe even Joni's would be fine. heh heh So, I must admit, I am a little surprised that not one person replied to my idea for a summer Jonifest in Vermont. Are y'all that tuckered out from this one? Love, Jahida - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:31:11 -0700 From: Subject: Henry Diltz I really enjoyed reading Kenny's report of his Henry Diltz experience. From what I know Henry just has some kind of natural gift with photography. I don't think he does anything special to enhance the photographs. He just has something that is magic. I wish I could learn it! Last I knew a few years ago he was still taking photos with his 40 year old Nikon camera. Those old Nikons were something else. I inherited a similar one years ago and the photos are like nothing I have ever seen from any other camera. My Nikon still works but needs some work but no one will touch it because they are so valuable. Many years ago some of us jmdlers from SoCal went to his exhibit in Newport Beach and were just blown away. I called him the Ansel Adams of rock photography. About a year later I was on the CSN list and some people from L.A. were planning a get together at a dive bar by the airport to see a good CSN tribute band. I was mostly a lurker on that list but thought maybe I should venture out and meet a few people from that list. I dragged a friend along and when we walked in this group of three guys greeted us. Turned out they were Henry Diltz, Dave Zimmer (who wrote two of the CSN biographies) and Scott Oxman (the official archivist who has provided most all the photos and other artifacts for the CSN box set, Buffalo Springfield box set and several Neil Young among other projects). Talk about hitting the mother lode! ;-) It was one of the most fantastic nights of my life. We sang and drank and danced and closed the joint and had the best time together! It was a warm night and my friend and I were wearing sandals. Henry spotted this interesting wood inlay logo on the floor featuring billiard balls and pool cues. He asked my friend and I to step into the logo and took several photos of our pedicured sandaled toes framing the logo. I have met Henry a couple of times since and have always wanted to ask him if I could get a print! But I figure he probably takes 1000s of shots all over and it would be burdensome for him to try to go back and find those negatives! I have always raved about him here. He is a truly fantastic person - very friendly and warm and completely without any pretensions or affectations whatsoever. I'm not sure if the video Kenny saw was the Under the Covers DVD or part of something called his "slide show" which I've heard is something else. At any rate, he told me once that he would be happy to come over and do the slide show if we ever have a SoCal Jonifest event! I still have his card so maybe someday! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #113 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)