From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #107 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 7 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 107 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's taste in books [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase [missblux@googlemail.com] SJC 80'es [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #143 [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: SJC 80'es ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. [missblux@googlemail.com] Roxana Amed singing Amelia live [Bob Muller ] RE: Need some Scandinavian language help. ["Rob Argento" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=27s=20taste=20in=20books?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?L] Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Joni and John Lennon ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Joni and John Lennon ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: Joni's taste in books [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's taste in books ["Sherelle Smith" ] sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: A fly on Joni's wall ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] Re: a fly on joni's wall [Motitan@aol.com] VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? [Motitan@aol.com] Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? ["Jill Haas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:51:05 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Yes, Garret, she has spoken about Lord of The Rings and I believe there was a discussion here about the influence of that book on I Think I Understand. Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing. That was before SIQUOMB. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:14:09 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase Hi Kaare, first of all, one of my next projects is to listen to some more Cyndi Lauper, after I heard that version of Carey! I knew some of her music form the eighties but in those days I was more into jazz, so all I've got is Miles Davies' cover of Time after Time. One of them is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-VHuM0TJc&mode=related&search= Secondly, I may be brining the reformation to Olso this summer! If I get my act together I'll be attending a conference there first week of July. Thirdly, Susanne Sundfor is amazing! Its wild and pretty at the same time. I'll be back in Copenhagen soon and will look out for her coming that way. http://www.myspace.com/susannesundfoer Wow...! Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:35:11 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: SJC 80'es Am just listening to Miles playing Time after Time, It reminds me of the many discussions we've had about Joni's music in the eighties. I remember when the record came out, I think some people thought it was daring of a jazz musician to play a pop-song - does anyone remember? Also about the same time I got a record with Herbie Hancock playing electronic music; I don't think anyone remembers it as a highlight, but it was new and different. And I got Dog eat Dog.... and a perm, and so did Joni! It was a strange decade, wasn't it? There were so many new things going on and I think people were generally fascinated and disoriented at the same time but had a lot of determination to live a new kind of life - hi tech from now on, or someting along those lines. But a lot of the music and the design and the fashion and the ideas that came from it were somehow abortive. It is almost as if people couldn't really cope with where society was going. Any thoughts? I always thought it was just me being young that made the whole decade feel like that, but maybe it was the decade... I wonder if this sounds garbled. But I also wonder how much Joni's music from that decade was emblematic of the decade as such. I mean, look at pictures of yourself in the eighties - did you look like someone out of Dog Eat Dog perhaps...? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:42:45 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #143 I never realized that it was normal to use 'my old man' in this way, not even listening to that Joni song. Its an interesting observation Em, I don't think they used that sort of expressions in Scandinavia. Bene Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:31:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books now sorta NJC I find alot of that aspect in the culture of the 60 and early 70's. A kind of age weariness well beyond the years of the people. Kind of a beat thing I guess. But even referring to regular pelvic affiliates as one's "old man" or "old lady" ties into that. It seems weird now to think of people in their early 20's, still wet behind the ears, using those phrases. Even understanding the blues connection, and their desire to use that language for the sake of hipness. Seems overly world-weary. Would be interesting to read Steppenwolf again, now that I'm probably at least as old as Harry Haller. Em ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:59:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: SJC 80'es Wondering if anyone else watched Wayne Shorter and Herbie Hancock on the Thelonius Monk Tribute last night? missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Am just listening to Miles playing Time after Time, It reminds me of > the many discussions we've had about Joni's music in the eighties. > > I remember when the record came out, I think some people thought it > was daring of a jazz musician to play a pop-song - does anyone > remember? > > Also about the same time I got a record with Herbie Hancock playing > electronic music; I don't think anyone remembers it as a highlight, > but it was new and different. And I got Dog eat Dog.... and a perm, > and so did Joni! > > It was a strange decade, wasn't it? There were so many new things > going on and I think people were generally fascinated and disoriented > at the same time but had a lot of determination to live a new kind of > life - hi tech from now on, or someting along those lines. > > But a lot of the music and the design and the fashion and the ideas > that came from it were somehow abortive. It is almost as if people > couldn't really cope with where society was going. > > Any thoughts? I always thought it was just me being young that made > the whole decade feel like that, but maybe it was the decade... > > I wonder if this sounds garbled. But I also wonder how much Joni's > music from that decade was emblematic of the decade as such. I mean, > look at pictures of yourself in the eighties - did you look like > someone out of Dog Eat Dog perhaps...? > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 14:48:58 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase Thanks Bene ! Very inspiring to hear from you ! And Cyndi Lauper won't let you down The album "True colours" is especially good - But "She's so unusual" also has a great energy ! I will be in Oslo - when you attend your conference - If you're up for a mini-joni fest - I'm sure that would be fun ! Susanne Sundfor is doing some concerts at that time - but i see they are all set outside of Oslo - but i'm sure we will hear more from her. Glad you enjoyed her music. She is amazing. Only 21 years old. And on her blog was this Joni quote " i don't want to be a human jukebox" Hope that doesn't mean she will not give concerts - because I'm sure it's great to hear her live, But you can always check her website for updated iformation : www.susannesundfor.com All the best ! Oddmund On 4/7/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hi Kaare, > > first of all, one of my next projects is to listen to some more Cyndi > Lauper, after I heard that version of Carey! I knew some of her music > form the eighties but in those days I was more into jazz, so all I've > got is Miles Davies' cover of Time after Time. One of them is here: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-VHuM0TJc&mode=related&search= > > > Secondly, I may be brining the reformation to Olso this summer! If I > get my act together I'll be attending a conference there first week of > July. > > Thirdly, Susanne Sundfor is amazing! Its wild and pretty at the same > time. I'll be back in Copenhagen soon and will look out for her coming > that way. > > http://www.myspace.com/susannesundfoer > > Wow...! > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:52:02 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Breaking through the delurk-phase I don't think I'll ever understand how some people can be so great when they are so young... 21...? How does that work?? Benedicte On 4/7/07, Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: > Thanks Bene ! > Very inspiring to hear from you ! > And Cyndi Lauper won't let you down > The album "True colours" is especially good - > But "She's so unusual" also has a great energy ! > > I will be in Oslo - when you attend your conference - > If you're up for a mini-joni fest - I'm sure that would be fun ! > > Susanne Sundfor is doing some concerts at that time - but i see they are all > set outside of Oslo - but i'm sure we will hear more from her. Glad you > enjoyed her music. She is amazing. Only 21 years old. And on her blog was > this Joni quote " i don't want to be a human jukebox" Hope that doesn't mean > she will not give concerts - because I'm sure it's great to hear her live, > But you can always check her website for updated iformation : > www.susannesundfor.com > > All the best ! > Oddmund > > > On 4/7/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hi Kaare, > > > > first of all, one of my next projects is to listen to some more Cyndi > > Lauper, after I heard that version of Carey! I knew some of her music > > form the eighties but in those days I was more into jazz, so all I've > > got is Miles Davies' cover of Time after Time. One of them is here: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY-VHuM0TJc&mode=related&search= > > > > > > Secondly, I may be brining the reformation to Olso this summer! If I > > get my act together I'll be attending a conference there first week of > > July. > > > > Thirdly, Susanne Sundfor is amazing! Its wild and pretty at the same > > time. I'll be back in Copenhagen soon and will look out for her coming > > that way. > > > > http://www.myspace.com/susannesundfoer > > > > Wow...! > > > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 06:17:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Need some Scandinavian language help. Hi Bene & Oddmund, I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three Joni covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't French. It looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of Scandinavian languages is right up there with Bush's foreign policy skills.. I thought maybe you along with other JMDLer's in the vicinity with more knowledge than me could help. Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: "Lund ja und mu silme ees, sulgpehmeid losse korgustes ja valgeid lambaid sinivees nii pilvi nainud ma" And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce here. So what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if that would help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children Come, and BSN. For me, it's quite a rare treasure. Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to see your name in my mailbox again. Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" - --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:17:33 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. Uhm you knw Im the comparative linguist here so I should know.... It doesn't really look like Finnish to me, but some... SO I am betting on Estonian, but Iill find out, just wait a sec! Benedicte On 4/7/07, Bob Muller wrote: > Hi Bene & Oddmund, > > I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three Joni > covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm not the > sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't French. It > looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of Scandinavian languages is > right up there with Bush's foreign policy skills.. I thought maybe you along > with other JMDLer's in the vicinity with more knowledge than me could help. > > Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: > > "Lund ja und mu silme ees, > sulgpehmeid losse korgustes > ja valgeid lambaid sinivees > nii pilvi nainud ma" > > And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce here. So > what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if that would > help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children Come, and BSN. > For me, it's quite a rare treasure. > > Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to see > your name in my mailbox again. > > Bob > > NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" > > > > ________________________________ > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 15:19:39 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. Oh and hello to Robert - do you live in Sweden...?! Bn On 4/7/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > I know Lithuanian, some at least, and it ain't Lith, so cant really be > Latvian either...! > BN > > On 4/7/07, Rob Argento wrote: > > After 40 years living in Scandinavia and on the Baltic, I say that it, of > > course isn4t Swedish, Danish or Norwedgian in which I quite familier. > > Finnish is MUCH different and it surely does not LOOK Finnish even if i only > > speak a smattering of phrases. Also, Finnish does not use accent marks very > > extensively. Many double vowels, etc. > > > > "Pilved" DOES funly enough trasnslate in Swedish to "Willow wood" but this > > is only a coincidence. > > > > OK. Now for the answer: I believe it is Estonian, the same language family > > of Finnish - but quite different. COULD be Lithuanian or Latvian - but i am > > not as familier with those. Let4s see what Oddmund says! > > > > Hdlsningar, > > > > /Robban > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > > Bob Muller > > Sent: den 7 april 2007 09:17 > > To: missblux@googlemail.com > > Cc: JMDL; Oddmund Kaarevik > > Subject: Need some Scandinavian language help. > > > > Hi Bene & Oddmund, > > > > I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three Joni > > covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm not the > > sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't French. It > > looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of Scandinavian languages is > > right up there with Bush's foreign policy skills.. I thought maybe you along > > with other JMDLer's in the vicinity with more knowledge than me could help. > > > > Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: > > > > "Lund ja und mu silme ees, > > sulgpehmeid losse korgustes > > ja valgeid lambaid sinivees > > nii pilvi nainud ma" > > > > And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce here. > > So what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if that > > would help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children Come, and > > BSN. For me, it's quite a rare treasure. > > > > Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to see > > your name in my mailbox again. > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to > > friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 07:31:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live This might be the best thing I've seen on YouTube - since we're talking about the beauty of other languages, take 7 minutes out of your day and enjoy this gorgeous live Spanish-language duet of Joni's "Amelia". We have Roxana's studio version in the collection already (she sings it in both English & Spanish on her CD) but this duet with guitarist Pedro Aznar will really move you. I forget who I was talking to at the fest when I commented that I fall in love at least twice a day. I definitely fell in love watching this clip and I'll bet you will too, either with her or him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-SFKsDE5tk Bob, thinking it's time to start the Saturday chores.. NP: Roxana & Pedro, "Amelia" - --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 09:51:45 -0400 From: "Rob Argento" Subject: RE: Need some Scandinavian language help. After 40 years living in Scandinavia and on the Baltic, I say that it, of course isn4t Swedish, Danish or Norwedgian in which I quite familier. Finnish is MUCH different and it surely does not LOOK Finnish even if i only speak a smattering of phrases. Also, Finnish does not use accent marks very extensively. Many double vowels, etc. "Pilved" DOES funly enough trasnslate in Swedish to "Willow wood" but this is only a coincidence. OK. Now for the answer: I believe it is Estonian, the same language family of Finnish - but quite different. COULD be Lithuanian or Latvian - but i am not as familier with those. Let4s see what Oddmund says! Hdlsningar, /Robban - -----Original Message----- From: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: den 7 april 2007 09:17 To: missblux@googlemail.com Cc: JMDL; Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: Need some Scandinavian language help. Hi Bene & Oddmund, I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three Joni covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't French. It looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of Scandinavian languages is right up there with Bush's foreign policy skills.. I thought maybe you along with other JMDLer's in the vicinity with more knowledge than me could help. Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: "Lund ja und mu silme ees, sulgpehmeid losse korgustes ja valgeid lambaid sinivees nii pilvi nainud ma" And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce here. So what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if that would help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children Come, and BSN. For me, it's quite a rare treasure. Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to see your name in my mailbox again. Bob NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" - --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:07:57 +0100 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. Oh, just realized that I wrote to Bob without cc'eing the list. Damn gmail! The language is Estonian - related to Finnish but looking slightly like Baltic! Ill see if I can provide a translation! Bn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:55:58 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live On 7 Apr 2007, at 15:31, Bob Muller wrote: > This might be the best thing I've seen on YouTube - since we're > talking about the beauty of other languages, take 7 minutes out of > your day and enjoy this gorgeous live Spanish-language duet of > Joni's "Amelia". We have Roxana's studio version in the collection > already (she sings it in both English & Spanish on her CD) but this > duet with guitarist Pedro Aznar will really move you. That's quite the find. I'm surprised at how well Joni's phrasing survives in another language: most covers monkey around with that, and it's interesting to find that while the language is different, this one still flows as expected. Irritatingly, this Pedro dude is not only a good looking bastard, but a killer bass player too:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpLTOW64mc - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 08:37:40 -0700 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=27s=20taste=20in=20books?= for "be here now", I WAS THE PCTURES. since this thread started i've been wondering what books are inspiring the youngsters. any cult classics i need to read? cassie you must be right around my age- 53. we have the same frame of reference! - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2007 20:59:18 -0700 From: "Cassy" To: "JMDL" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books >From: "LESLI A WATTS" > ><<< Do people my age remember when we'd all walk around with siddartha and >Steppenwolf tucked under our arms? >>> > >Absolutely and also "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass. The acid-tripping journey of >a Harvard Psychiatrist traipsing around India to delve into Hindu religion . >I liked looking at the pictures too! > >Warmly, >Cassy > >NP: The Tubes - Attack of the 50 Foot Woman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:56:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. I've sent it to a student of mine who is Lithuanian. He may be able to translate it. Jerry Bob Muller wrote: > Hi Bene & Oddmund, > > I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three > Joni covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm > not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't > French. It looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of > Scandinavian languages is right up there with Bush's foreign policy > skills.. I thought maybe you along with other JMDLer's in the vicinity > with more knowledge than me could help. > > Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: > > "Lund ja und mu silme ees, > sulgpehmeid losse korgustes > ja valgeid lambaid sinivees > nii pilvi nainud ma" > > And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce > here. So what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if > that would help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children > Come, and BSN. For me, it's quite a rare treasure. > > Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to > see your name in my mailbox again. > > Bob > > NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and > always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 12:50:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: My Eternal Gratitude I'm glad you had a wonderful time, Jill. I forgot to ask you how you were feeling when we were at Jonifest with your broken rib and all. You seemed to be pretty "up" the weekend so I'm glad you didn't let it get you down! It was a pleasure to meet you and I really enjoyed our conversation at dinner the one night. Good for you for coming and making it! And next year, definitely play a set and make sure you incorporate the dulcimer into your set! Thanks for the dulcimer pamphlet. It's such a beautiful instrument. - -Monika P.S. I loved how at ease you were with adding on harmonies in the song circle and really getting into it. P.S.S. In my Jonifest pictures, I have a pic of you where you look like you're up to no good! NP: Hunter- Joni ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:14:59 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni and John Lennon Ok, I had read (in the Shadows and Light book) that Joni had met John Lennon and he asked her why she let other people have her hits? And his humorous advice to her in getting hits, was "put some fiddles on it." I find that very funny (but then Court & Spark came out and she did find some commercial success on her own minus fiddles, hehe). Anyway, does anyone know if Joni ever ran into John Lennon again? And even more so, what do you think Joni said to John's comment? What can you say? Haha. I wonder though. - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Need some Scandinavian language help. It's not Lithuanian, but he is working on it. Gerald A. Notaro wrote: > I've sent it to a student of mine who is Lithuanian. He may be able to > translate it. > > Jerry > > Bob Muller wrote: >> Hi Bene & Oddmund, >> >> I'm wondering if you can help me - I bought an LP on ebay with three >> Joni covers; the seller said they were in French. Now I know that I'm >> not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I also know that this ain't >> French. It looks like it might be Finnish but my knowledge of >> Scandinavian languages is right up there with Bush's foreign policy >> skills.. I thought maybe you along with other JMDLer's in the vicinity >> with more knowledge than me could help. >> >> Both Sides Now is called "Pilved" and the first verse goes like this: >> >> "Lund ja und mu silme ees, >> sulgpehmeid losse korgustes >> ja valgeid lambaid sinivees >> nii pilvi nainud ma" >> >> And of course there are lots of accent marks that I can't reproduce >> here. So what do you think? Is that enough to tell? I can send an mp3 if >> that would help. She does Morning Morgantown, Songs to Aging Children >> Come, and BSN. For me, it's quite a rare treasure. >> >> Thanks in advance if you can help me out. Oddmund, it's been great to >> see your name in my mailbox again. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Bryan Thomas, "cycle" >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and >> always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 10:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: A fly on Joni's wall If you could have been a fly on Joni's wall at any point in her career what would you choose? I would have liked to have been a fly in the car that Joni drove solo from New York to LA along the Gulf route, precariously without a license but interesting nonetheless. It was during this solo flight that much of Hejira was written... ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:12:44 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni and John Lennon From: > Ok, I had read (in the Shadows and Light book) that Joni had met John > Lennon > and he asked her why she let other people have her hits? And his > humorous > advice to her in getting hits, was "put some fiddles on it." I find that > very > funny (but then Court & Spark came out and she did find some commercial > success on her own minus fiddles, hehe). Anyway, does anyone know if > Joni ever > ran into John Lennon again? And even more so, what do you think Joni > said to > John's comment? What can you say? Haha. I wonder though. > -Monika > Considering that he was with Harry Nillson, and they were both notorious drunks at the time, and Lennon was 3 sheets to the wind, I doubt she had much to say. She has related this story several times-often with a ridiculous cockney accent. If she had met Lennon again, she probably would have mentioned it. I do think Joni and John are very similar as artists, more so even than Joni and Dylan, because of the way they could seamlessly wed lyrics and music. John's language was usually more direct, less flowery. They both took active control of producing their records. They were both artists before getting into music, and continued to do artwork throughout their lives. Many times, when I've been making a 'mix tape', I've found myself following one with the other-it's a good flow. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 19:56:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading this right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel so close to her emotionally right now! (smile) Sherelle Mark wrote: Yes, Garret, she has spoken about Lord of The Rings and I believe there was a discussion here about the influence of that book on I Think I Understand. Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing. That was before SIQUOMB. Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:07:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Roxana Amed singing Amelia live Holy Cow Chris! This is awesome! Just awesome! I can still feel the emotion of the song even though I can't understand the words. I can feel what they are singing and playing. Wow! Also, check them out on "Hotel Room" as well! Whoa! That beginning bass solo kicks major butt! Her vocals are so, so great! Thanks for introducing me to these two! Hello! Sherelle Chris wrote: That's quite the find. I'm surprised at how well Joni's phrasing survives in another language: most covers monkey around with that, and it's interesting to find that while the language is different, this one still flows as expected. Irritatingly, this Pedro dude is not only a good looking bastard, but a killer bass player too:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBpLTOW64mc - - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage refinance is Hot. *Terms. Get a 5.375%* fix rate. Check savings https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h2bbb&disc=y&vers=925&s=4056&p=5117 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:18:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Well, her first publishing compnay was Gandalf - and there are some Tolkien references in her songs, at least in "I Think I Understand". She did not know about Tolkien until Chuck turned her on to his work. Bob NP: Blue Mountain, "Home Grown" - --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 11:29:25 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books > From: "LESLI A WATTS" > > <<< Do people my age remember when we'd all walk around with siddartha and > Steppenwolf tucked under our arms? >>> > > Absolutely and also "Be Here Now" by Ram Dass. The acid-tripping journey > of a Harvard Psychiatrist traipsing around India to delve into Hindu > religion . I liked looking at the pictures too! > Warmly, > Cassy Yes, much wisdom in that book-and remember-? it cost $3.33? I would add "Stranger In A Strange Land" to the list, and Kurt Vonnegut, and Richard Bratigan. And 1984, Brave New World, Dune, Catch 22, The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Steal This Book, The Whole Earth Catalog, Zap Comics.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:44:03 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Joni and John Lennon Some of Joni's early albums (Blue or especially Ladies of the Canyon), being stripped down in nature, are akin to demos in terms of production. That's what I like about them- Joni's piano has to stand in for an orchestra, nowadays you'd have the whole orchestra instead of the piano. But circa 1970 this kept some of her songs from getting more airplay. Back then, if your song didn't have a certain type of instrumentation, it might not get played. Finding that "rock" musicians couldn't do justice to her material, she naturally developed an affinity with jazzers. So, actually, Lennon's advice was pretty sound- in order to have her own hits, stop making what are essentially demos for other artists. Make records with more elaborate instrumentation yourself. Which is what she did. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 13:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A fly on Joni's wall You took my first choice, David - I'd like to have tagged along on that Hejira, but I'd also settle for being a fly on the wall in the studio when she was recording Blue. Bob - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 16:24:28 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books On Apr 7, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading > this right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel > so close to her emotionally right now! (smile) > > Sherelle I knew there was a reason I like you so much Sherelle! Victor, a huge "Lord of the Rings" fan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:33:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Thanks for sharing that with me Bob! I don't care who turned her on to Tolkien just as long as she likes him! I am a reading novice (can't seem to sit still through a novel) but I love J.R.R. Tolkien and the way he wrote. I don't have all of Joni's CD so I must ask which one "I Think I Understand" is on...embarrasing! Sherelle Bob wrote: > > Well, her first publishing compnay was Gandalf - and there are some >Tolkien references in her songs, at least in "I Think I Understand". She >did not know about Tolkien until Chuck turned her on to his work. > > Bob > > NP: Blue Mountain, "Home Grown" > > > > > >--------------------------------- >Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate >in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglineapril07 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 20:35:05 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Ah...Ditto! Ditto my friend! And this is one reason of many why we both love Joni! Love, Sherelle Victor wrote: > > >On Apr 7, 2007, at 3:56 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > >>Holy Cow! Holy Cow! Joni likes "Lord of the Rings"? Am I reading this >>right? Please correct me if I'm wrong! If it's true...I feel so close to >>her emotionally right now! (smile) >> >>Sherelle > > >I knew there was a reason I like you so much Sherelle! > >Victor, a huge "Lord of the Rings" fan _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:41:59 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc? Roundabout to Joni Fest Dear Ones: I've been kinda watching it from the wings this week, just skimming what digests I can and enjoying each and every fest report (I will go back and read them in greater depth, when good fortune allows), because my heart and mind were somewhere else. I was spiritually with Joni and her new grief, as we almost lost my mom this week. She was in ICU....long scary story, but she is recovering now, and I didn't have to take this flight tonight. I am greatly relieved and ready to throw some lightness on these things now and laugh it all away. Well, not really laugh, because it was so serious, but you know what I mean. Musik Meister Muller wrote, in "that Post about the Fest, Part I": "Friday AM Bob & I set out and after a couple of rush hour traffic jams we hit the open road and it was really an easy drive and a scenic one as well. For our soundtrack we were playing the new Amy Winehouse and Bob is right - it's a killer of a CD. (Tried to make me go to rehab...I said no, no, no....) Of course, the ONLY time I needed Bob to help with navigation was when Patti P called and he totally dropped the ball with helping me off the crazy roundabout. But we quickly resolved that and by lunchtime we were at the Full Moon." Yikes! I'm sorry I called back at that critical juncture. But I had fun sitting in the back seat with you guys, singing a Joni song, side by side. And hey, at least you didn't drive it into a ditch, you son of a b@#ch! (ONLY KIDDING!) But then again, YES! Roundabout I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out you spend the day your way. Call it morning driving through the sound and in and out the valley in and around the lane mountains come out of the sky and they stand there one mile over we'll be there and we'll see you ten true summers we'll be back and laughing too twenty-four before my love you'll see I'll be there with you. The music dance and sing they make the children really ring I spend the day your your way. Call it... I will remember you your silhouette will charge the view of distant atmosphere. Call it... Along the drifting cloud the eagle searching down on the land I'll be the roundabout the words will make you out and out catching the swirling wind the sailor sees the rim of the land I'll be the roundabout... The eagles dancing wings create as weather spins out of hand I'll be the roundabout... go closer hold the land feel partly no more than grains of sand I'll be the roundabout... We stand so lose all time a thousand answers by in your hand I'll be the roundabout... next to your deeper fears we stand surrounded by a million years I'll be the roundabout... That song sounds so Joni-ish, and Joni-fest-ish, doesn't it? But don't mind JMOCDed me. I see something of Joni in everything just at this -- and every - -- moment of the world! I'm so glad you all had such a wonderful time. You went looking for a party, looking to raise JEEEEEEsus up from the dead, and it looks like you DID! Happy Easter (or whatever you celebrate)! Love & Peace, Patti P. P.S. Bob and Oddmund and Bene and Jerry et al: I sent those "it sure ain't French" lyrics to my friend who runs our Critical Languages Program (CRLP, for you Catherine) which includes all the LCTs (Less Commonly Taught languages). She will know. She knows the answer. (I don't know.) _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:50:40 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: A fly on Joni's wall On 4/7/07, Bob Muller wrote: > her career what would you choose?> Chelsea Hotel, first time she went to New York. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 18:55:51 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Breaking through the delurk-phase Great question. Here are 3 possible answers. Short version: it's a gift from God. Mystical version: Joan Anderson's maternal grandmother, Sadie, wanted to play piano but never got the piano. Joni said it might be that she (Joni) got the chance to make her grandmother's dream come true. It's as if Joni's muse was inherited, fully formed, from an adult. Is it Joan or is it Sadie? My version: I think it's Joni with a head full of great ideas, including the notion that it is her destiny to be an artist. There's no room for doubts if you are fulfilling your desitny, eh? Jim L. Benedicte said, >I don't think I'll ever understand how some people can be so great when they are so young... 21...? How does that work??> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:58:05 EDT From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: re: a fly on joni's wall Hi...as a fly I'm sitting next to David whose sitting next to Joni on her solo hejira in '76... but if there wasn't room I'd like to be around the studio and such during the court and spark time/ hosl days...or if they were swatting me out of there I'd like to be buzzing around Joni's Vancouver house as she was building it and writing FTR..oh yes..the studio during Blue!!...oh no..now I really can't decide??!! judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:32:05 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Her first publishing company was Gandalf Publishing - ----------------------------------------- My favorite character from LOTR is Gandalf. If he were real, I'd have many, many questions for him....ones he'd be able to answer! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 17:34:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books Tut tut tut, Sherelle - hang your head in shame. OK, done? It's on Clouds - one of my favorite Joni songs because it's so uplifting to me (Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty). Here's the Tolkien reference from the JM glossary: http://jonimitchell.com/research/g_entry.cfm?id=66 Of course, I can't think of this song without thinking of the private performance I was given by Anita in France, and Donna turned in a fine performance of it as well last weekend at the Full Moon. Bob NP: Ani, "Serpentine" - --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:43:24 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: a fly on joni's wall What an interesting question! And may I add, what a difficult question to answer! I suppose I would have liked to be a fly up in Canada when Joni went away around the For The Roses time to be by herself and write and so forth. I guess it'd be nice to see her get so many song ideas (see her working them out), see her try and relax, and just see her being "Joni," the person as opposed to Joni the musician or Joni the image I or you or the world may have of her. I think a person is really themselves when he/she is alone.....there's a comfort in isolation and when you know no one's looking....too bad that's impossible to actually see! Or perhaps, I'd like to be a fly when she was away in Crete I believe, living in caves and meeting new people and sharing new experiences. I guess seeing her out of her element would be interesting to witness as well. There's something to be told there. What a good question man! - -Monika ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 21:07:02 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Given that there is alot of talent on this list, I figured I would bring this up here. I had posted this on my My Space blog but fear I won't get any real response from it. What can I say, I'm feeling philosophical and that in itself usually scares people away. However, I have been thinking about music and creativity and wondering if it may be a step towards tapping into enlightenment of some sorts or of self knowledge or happiness or something special you just can't explain....(not achieving it fully....but maybe giving you a head start or something....my apologies if I'm not making any sense...) For all you fellow musicians and people in other creative fields, do you find this to be true? I mean, I think a step to enlightenment or happiness or satisfaction (whatever you want to call it) is knowing yourself. Once you know yourself, you can seek the world out. This being said, I think music plays a greater role in personal gain than anyone could ever imagine. I think music unlocks certain parts of yourself that would otherwise be unknown (all the creative arts for that matter). Do you think that's true? Does music, art, writing, sculpting, anything creative bring out something hidden within yourself? Now we're almost talking Psychology here.....what do you think? But if you do think it brings out something in yourself, what if that something is very, very dark? Is it getting out your angels as well as devils (Joni made some mention of ridding your angels and devils)? Is that a healthy notion? Is it a way of purging? Opinions welcome! - -Monika, they call me the seeker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 20:06:55 -0700 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Since I was a child, I drew, painted, sang, danced and wrote. I'm not sure it helped me know myself--that came with time--but I know it helped me keep from destroying myself. Channeling pain and self-destructive energy into creative pursuits was a life-saver. I always knew I could go to my room and try to find the tuning and the chords to "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire," or write in my journal, or paint a picture and get through whatever was going on by focusing on a creative act. Any enlightenment I might have came more from forgetting myself. Sublimely and paradoxically, I then began to know myself better. A little bit of Zen for you, folks. Not always a perfect example of selflessness, Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:07 PM Subject: VLJC Music and creativity, go from a to b? Given that there is alot of talent on this list, I figured I would bring this up here. I had posted this on my My Space blog but fear I won't get any real response from it. What can I say, I'm feeling philosophical and that in itself usually scares people away. However, I have been thinking about music and creativity and wondering if it may be a step towards tapping into enlightenment of some sorts or of self knowledge or happiness or something special you just can't explain....(not achieving it fully....but maybe giving you a head start or something....my apologies if I'm not making any sense...) For all you fellow musicians and people in other creative fields, do you find this to be true? I mean, I think a step to enlightenment or happiness or satisfaction (whatever you want to call it) is knowing yourself. Once you know yourself, you can seek the world out. This being said, I think music plays a greater role in personal gain than anyone could ever imagine. I think music unlocks certain parts of yourself that would otherwise be unknown (all the creative arts for that matter). Do you think that's true? Does music, art, writing, sculpting, anything creative bring out something hidden within yourself? Now we're almost talking Psychology here.....what do you think? But if you do think it brings out something in yourself, what if that something is very, very dark? Is it getting out your angels as well as devils (Joni made some mention of ridding your angels and devils)? Is that a healthy notion? Is it a way of purging? Opinions welcome! - -Monika, they call me the seeker ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2007 19:31:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Re: Joni's taste in books... Hey, I was not around then, but Siddhartha is my favorite book of all time. Changed my life. Really. Jahida, who's on Easter break, and so glad to get a moment to sleep. Who knew playing Fraulein Schneider would be so involving, yet so rewarding? Also, I think that I have to have a summer Jonifest up here in Vermont. Who would come to that? nw: (now watching): The Ten Commandments (one of my favs...oh Anne Baxter, you slay me!) - --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. 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