From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #88 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 22 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 088 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's mama [Em ] Shine [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Download info [PassScribe@aol.com] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Blaming The Soldiers ["Colin Bishop" ] Myrtle [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Blaming The Soldiers ["Snatch N. Grabster" ] RE: BSN and Sufjan cover and more ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: dreaming [Kate Johnson ] TCE - Bessborough plate [Kate Johnson ] Guardian article [Mike and Patti Haskins ] Guardian article [Mike and Patti Haskins ] latest JM interview [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Blaming The Soldiers ["Randy Remote" ] Myrtle [Les Irvin ] re: joni's mama ["Joe Farrell" ] Re: Joni's mama, the Sax Q and Joni Dreams ["P Bear" ] Saskatoon StarPhoenix Headline ["Randy Remote" ] Mrs Anderson's obituary ["Michael O'Malley" ] Joan ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Myrtle ["Lori Fye" ] TCE - Bessborough plate ["Michael O'Malley" ] What a great week I am shining [Andeemac2006 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 04:31:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's mama and here's another - Joan Baez's father, Albert Baez, passed away yesterday. He was in his 90's also. Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > On Mar 20, 2007, at 8:18 PM, > > wrote: > > > This may have already been posted but I heard from a good source > > that Joni's > > mother passed away yesterday. It must be a terrible loss for her. > > > RIP dear > > Myrtle. > > > > Kakki > > > That's so weird as my best friend Amy's mother passed away yesterday > > as well...about 2:00am in the morning. We had been expecting her > to go pretty soon (she suffered from Parkinson's disease) but it is > never easy. Amy's mother raised her single handedly as her father > abandoned them when she was little. Amy had spent the last 5 years > or so caring for her herself and working full time. A nurse came 5 > days a week but it was still an enormous task and she always put it > before anything else. One reason I admire her so much. The memorial > > service is scheduled for Thursday and her mother told Amy several > years ago she wanted me to sing at her funeral, so I will be singing > > "Fire and Rain" by James Taylor. Oddly enough I sang in a choral > performance tonight w/orchestra accompaniment, Faure's Requiem, an > achingly beautiful peace...sad but beautiful. Maybe it was for > Myrtle and Jeri, Amy's mom. > > Victor, amazingly at peace with all of this...music is the best > medicine(and laughter) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:04:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Shine Thanks to all that posted Shine in various places so we all could hear it. Again, it points out that lower fidelity can promote speed and wideness of distribution in this digital information age we live in. I was much more impressed with the new music than some of you seem to be. I9m not one for worshipping at her altar. I9ve been critical of some of her work. But considering we thought we would never get any new music or performances from her, this is a treasure. And ANY time Joni approaches a piano is a time for celebrating. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:25:57 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Download info > From: Mark-Leon Thorne > Subject: Re: Come In From The Cold: The Return of Joni Mitchell > > For those who didn't get to hear the show or can't stream it, I think > this turned out to be a pretty good recording. I only missed the first > 3 or 4 words of Amanda's introduction. WireTap records in AIFF > uncompressed format and then I converted it to a fairly high bitrate > mp3. The file is about 79Mb. > > Download it here: http://download.yousendit.com/1D68F98A7A4ACB93 > > I signed up for an account, Mark, but I don't understand how I get to download the file. I don't see a place to put in what I want to download or a menu to search for the above file. What am I doing wrong? Kenny B P.S. I'm also looking for a part-time job, having retired from my regular full-time job in July and receiving Social Security now. Anyone with a job lead would be appreciated. ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:42:36 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] very sorry to hear about joni's mom. . my condolences. . I wish her well on her new journey (Myrtle) Joni, I wish you well on your new journey too. . (when your parent dies your life changes) very sad to hear the news. "like the turn of a page. . (time with those you love) _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:53:38 -0000 From: "Colin Bishop" Subject: Blaming The Soldiers It is a pity that Joni didn't disassociate Bob Dylan from her remark regarding the 'folkies' or 'protest singers' blaming the soldiers? Dylan is associated with both of those categories in people's minds, however much he tried to distance himself, but he didn't 'blame the soldiers'? Listen to 'Who Killed Davy Moore' for instance which questions the very fact of the assumed blameworthy person. I don't think that John Brown was blamed either in Dylan's song of the same name. This matter exhibits very well the error in putting artists into bags. Yes Dylan will be always identified with protest, but he wasn't a protest singer. Was he as superficial or literal as the genre exemplified by the protest song 'Eve of Destruction' for instance? I put Joni right up there with Dylan as an artist but maybe she was a piece wilful here? Considering I love Joni it is a surprise that I have another gripe regarding the BBC R2 show last evening. Poets muddy their meanings? Exactly the opposite surely? They attempt to give us deeper feelings, connections, experience by not using literal language? Ie widen the meaning rather than obscure it. I have only written once before in the years that I have been a JMDLer, now two in two days. No prizes for anyone who says no wonder! Colin Bishop, Northampton, England. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:59:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Myrtle I hope you all don9t mind but I left a general message of condolence from JMDL in Myrtle9s Guest Book. You can leave a message at: http://www.legacy.com/can-saskatoon/GB/GuestbookEntry.aspx?&PersonID=8688385 5 Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:17:46 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Blaming The Soldiers When exactly did Dylan reference the Vietnam War in any song? This is one issue where Bob more or less remained silent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:02:01 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: BSN and Sufjan cover While it wasn't what I was originally hearing in my head, it was the fluorish of creativity and originality that Sufjan brings to his work. For me, if a cover is going to be interesting it should feature something original, something that the interpreter brings to it that is of themselves. As far as I am concerned, changing the words is a big NO. (See Billy Squier's embarrassing take on "River"..."It's coming on twilight"...etc) So I really like it when a cover plays with melody and/or tempo or brings something new to the party. Sufjan doesn't employ a new melody as much as he shifts the melody - I hear lots of Joni's original melodic structure in it. And of course the tempo is all Sufjan - I would have been disappointed had he just done a 'karaoke' version with everything the same except for his voice in place of Joni's. As the best covers always are! FMIP has been a consistent drawing card for creative interpretation. There's Andy Milne's rap version, Jimmy Winchell's gloomy depressed version, The Rhythm Method's acapella version, Count Zero's 'Bela Lugosi' version, and of course Neil Diamond's over-the-top dramatic Vegas version. Such is the appeal of Joni's creation. And of course I'm not implying that you're WRONG, Michael - it's all a matter of personal taste and preference anyway. Bob NP: Joni, "People's Parties" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Dylan >is >associated with both of those categories in people's minds, however much he >tried to distance himself, but he didn't 'blame the soldiers'? > > > >Listen to 'Who Killed Davy Moore' for instance which questions the very >fact >of the assumed blameworthy person. I don't think that John Brown was >blamed >either in Dylan's song of the same name. This matter exhibits very well >the >error in putting artists into bags. Yes Dylan will be always identified >with protest, but he wasn't a protest singer. Was he as superficial or >literal as the genre exemplified by the protest song 'Eve of Destruction' >for instance? I put Joni right up there with Dylan as an artist but maybe >she was a piece wilful here? > > > >Considering I love Joni it is a surprise that I have another gripe >regarding >the BBC R2 show last evening. Poets muddy their meanings? Exactly the >opposite surely? They attempt to give us deeper feelings, connections, >experience by not using literal language? Ie widen the meaning rather than >obscure it. > > > >I have only written once before in the years that I have been a JMDLer, now >two in two days. No prizes for anyone who says no wonder! > > > >Colin Bishop, Northampton, England. I'm not exactly sure what you are saying here, but I don't think that many people blame the soldiers... Some do I know, but most do not I don't think... the song "universal soldier" does seem to blame them, if I understand the song correctly... I do think that war is a terrible, horrendous thing... but many of the people who join the military don't realize what they have signed up for.. they are joining for other reasons... and as sad as it is, arguably there are times when war is unavoidable... World War 2 for example, or when your country is attacked... I say arguably, becuase even in these situations there might be a better way to deal with it, but I think that it IS arguable... I blame the insane leaders like Bush, Cheney,Rumsfeld etc... who send young people off to die and be injured in unnecessary, misguided wars, while huge corporations make billions of dollars off of these wars... Dylan's "masters of war" is one of my favorite songs... _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemarch07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:49:40 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: BSN and Sufjan cover and more I can't say I'm fond of this version, but I've never been much impressed with this artist either. The lyrics are the same, the melody too severely modified, and the chord progression seems inverted. Like listening through a funhouse mirror. While not uninteresting, it strikes me as pretty pretentious. While I enjoyed the interview, I agree with what others here have said about Joni spouting off about things she doesn't really know about. Take poetry, for example: she keeps referring to "rhyme-scheme" when clearly she means "metrical pattern." She says she doesn't write lyrics first because she'll get lock into a lockstep iambic pattern. (This is undoubtedly a wise composing strategy). But then she sets the utterly regular iambic doggerel of Kipling's "If" to music. I also agree with the folks here who point out her reductive assessment of her generation's protest music. At the same time, she was quite charming in the interview. But someone's being a little too stingy with the "Shine" preview. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:54:29 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Blaming The Soldiers I'm not exactly sure what you are saying here, but I don't think that many people blame the soldiers... Some do I know, but most do not I don't think... the song "universal soldier" does seem to blame them, if I understand the song correctly... The key to "Universal Soldier" is that blame is both universal and particular. Buffy Sainte-Marie points out that no one is exempt from blame: http://www.creative-native.com/lyrics/univelyr.htm _________________________________________________________________ Exercise your brain! Try Flexicon. http://games.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmemailtaglinemar ch07 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:00:32 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: dreaming On 21-Mar-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > The weird thing is how REAL some dreams seem, to the point where I've > woken up and believed what happened in the dream actually took > place. More > than > once, I've dreamed about finding the first car I owned again (1950 > Merc > convert), after so many years, and buying it back. When I've woken > up after a > couple > of those, I actually thought it was parked in my garage until > reality set in. LOL Then you'll perfectly understand, Kenny, why I've sometimes been very angry (with good reason, naturally) at my spouse, in a dream, and when I've woken up it's taken me a while to warm up to him again. Poor bugger, I'm sure there are times he feels he can't win for losing! *** It must be nice to have your mother live into her nineties, but just as painful to have her die old as to see her die young, I bet. I suppose Joni is at the Bessborough by now ... I still haven't found out if she got the plate I left there for her. Sure hope so. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:44:14 -0500 From: Kate Johnson Subject: TCE - Bessborough plate Just called the hotel and yes, she picked up the plate a couple weeks ago. I am glad it didn't disappear into the ethers like that mask a few years ago. If anyone is interested in seeing what the plate looks like, email me offlist. I don't know how Our Joan responded to the actual item when she received it, but can tell you that she was interested enough to respond with a resounding "yes please" via her manager's office when I offered it to her. I was not expecting a thank you note or anything, but feel quite certain Joni tried to call and simply could never get through, as I am always working online via dialup and the phone's busy. Heh, right. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org actually, i'll put a photo of the plate on my site gimme a few minutes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: Guardian article Hi All, Stepping in out of lurkdom, don't know if this has been posted already and I missed it, but here's an article online from the Guardian dated March 19, 2007. http://music.guardian.co.uk/folk/story/0,,2037337,00.html Patti Haskins http://pattihaskins.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike and Patti Haskins Subject: Guardian article Hi All, Stepping in out of lurkdom, don't know if this has been posted already and I missed it, but here's an article online from the Guardian dated March 19, 2007. http://music.guardian.co.uk/folk/story/0,,2037337,00.html Patti Haskins http://pattihaskins.wordpress.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:06:58 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: latest JM interview I believe it is common knowledge that if asked about the music industry, JM, the celebrity, will say something quotable. So I find the GUARDIAN interview to be, as journalism, shamefully lazy. I don't blame JM for saying what she believes, since she was apparently asked a direct question. On the other hand, to the extent that she characterizes herself as unrecognized or unrecompensed for her pre-eminent musical accomplishments, she is, IMO, laying it on a bit thick. LAHM ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:31:34 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Blaming The Soldiers From: "Snatch N. Grabster" > When exactly did Dylan reference the Vietnam War in any song? This is > one issue where Bob more or less remained silent. > I don't think he mentioned Vietnam as such, but his anti- war songs like Masters of War came out in the Vietnam era and surely were written under it's influence. Maybe he wanted to give them more longevity. I wouldn't say he remained silent about war, although he did quickly back away from his folk/protest beginnings after his first couple of albums. Joni was more silent about it than he, writing only one antiwar song in those days. Not that she was the only one, other counter-culture icons of the time ignored it completely, too-The Grateful Dead, for instance. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:14:15 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Myrtle I will be sending flowers to Myrtle's funeral on behalf of JoniMitchell.com and the JMDL. If anyone would like to make a contribution towards this please do so here: http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:22:50 -0000 From: "Joe Farrell" Subject: re: joni's mama So sorry to hear of the death of Joni's mum. Deepest sympathy to her and her dad at this very sad time. regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 07:46:38 +1100 From: "P Bear" Subject: Re: Joni's mama, the Sax Q and Joni Dreams Hi Christopher , would you say it's not a bad life being a critic . Deadlines , etc . But as a music fan , I admit I don't know about other fans , but following many musicians , I rely on those reviews . Anyway all these singers - Dianna Ross and Joni , are elderly aren't they ? I don't expect their performances to be as tight as at their peak , say at 30 . And truthfully it's been a joy to follow Joni's Journey , and with each album she gets more laid back . I like that ! It is true about digital technology running ahead , but nothing can replace talent , and that's musicians jamming or listening to a singer and the ballads . And of course that's the experience we dream of . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with 1000s of Sexy Singles right now right now ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:59:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Saskatoon Phoenix obit Myrtle Anderson, mother of Joni Mitchell, dies at 95 By Jeremy Warren of the Star Phoenix Myrtle Anderson, the mother of musician and artist Joni Mitchell, died early Monday morning. She was 95. Anderson and her husband, Bill, moved to Saskatoon when Mitchell was nine years old. Bill, 96, continues to reside in the city. "She brought so much joy into (our) lives," family friend Ron Lamb said of Anderson. "Myrtle was a tremendous woman. She was very intelligent." Anderson and her husband were living in Fort Macleod, Alta., when Mitchell was born. The family moved to Maidstone and then to North Battleford, eventually settling in Saskatoon. Anderson taught elementary school in southern Saskatchewan until she married. Anderson's only child, Mitchell, 63, was recently inducted into the Canadian Songwriter's Hall of Fame. That occasion was the last time family friend Bob Hinitt spoke to Anderson. "We had a really nice conversation about Joni. I just let her know how wonderful Joni was that night," Hinitt said. "(But) you'd never know Myrtle had a famous daughter. She never bragged about Joni. She was a very unassuming and modest woman." Hinitt was Mitchell's French teacher and art mentor in high school. Mitchell would bring Anderson to Hinitt's house, where they would sit in the garden admiring the flowers while drinking tea and chatting. "We're always called (by the media) to talk about Joni, so it's nice to talk about Myrtle," Hinitt said. Lamb became friends with Anderson after meeting Bill during a golf game. He has known the couple about 15 years. "Myrtle had this phenomenal laugh. It was just like Joni's-it was sort of like a laugh and a giggle at the same time," Lamb said. The Andersons have always been supportive of their daughter's career, Lamb said, adding it was Anderson who instilled the love of nature in Mitchell. Lamb said Mitchell will be in Saskatoon for the funeral later this week. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:56:02 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Saskatoon StarPhoenix Headline From the Saskatoon StarPhoenix- Wed. March 21, 2007 Myrtle Anderson, mother of Joni Mitchell, dies at 95 Myrtle Anderson, the mother of musician and artist Joni Mitchell, died early Monday morning. She was 95. (This is all they give you without a subscription.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:44:30 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Mrs Anderson's obituary So sad to hear this news. I'm sure Joni spent some time with her parents this winter after her stint in Calgary. Joni was lucky to have her mother around for so long. I'm thinking of all the keepsakes that Mrs. Anderson held on to over the years, which formed the nucleus of the Mendel show last summer that portrayed Joni's childhood. Now the keeper is gone. It must be heartwrenching for the entire family. A virtual guestbook is available at the Saskatoon Star Pheonix website. http://www.legacy.com/can-saskatoon/Obituaries.asp?Page=Lifestory&PersonId=86883855 Michael in Quebec We can't return, we can only look behind from where we came _________________________________________________________________ Have Some Fun Out Of The Sun This March Break http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!142 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:02:43 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joan I am thinking of Myrtle Anderson. . so she died on the first day of spring? the partial first day of spring. . just as the seasons change. "and the seasons they go round and round. . . this song touches my heart on any day. . but today I played it for one of my classes. .(my 8th graders) over and over again. . and for my 10th graders . . (they were learning three dimensional letters.) I made the assignment: Write in 3 d letters, "you don't know what you got 'til it's gone." Shade in the 3rd dimension. and I played Big Yellow Taxi over and over again. . Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-18466&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:18:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Myrtle > I will be sending flowers to Myrtle's funeral on behalf of JoniMitchell.com > and the JMDL. If anyone would like to make a contribution towards this > please do so here: http://jonimitchell.com/donate.cfm Thanks, Les. Peace be to Myrtle ... and to Bill and to Joni. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:22:27 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: TCE - Bessborough plate Very cool plate, Kate. (http://xoetc.antville.org) So thoughtful of you. I'm sure Joni will give it a place of honour in her home in LA or Sechelt. I wonder if that is the Broadway Bridge? Michael in Quebec Kate Johnson wrote: Just called the hotel and yes, she picked up the plate a couple weeks ago. I am glad it didn't disappear into the ethers like that mask a few years ago. If anyone is interested in seeing what the plate looks like, email me offlist. I don't know how Our Joan responded to the actual item when she received it, but can tell you that she was interested enough to respond with a resounding "yes please" via her manager's office when I offered it to her. I was not expecting a thank you note or anything, but feel quite certain Joni tried to call and simply could never get through, as I am always working online via dialup and the phone's busy. Heh, right. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org actually, i'll put a photo of the plate on my site gimme a few minutes _________________________________________________________________ Have Some Fun Out Of The Sun This March Break http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!142 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:47:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: What a great week I am shining A very short glimse but the track Shine sounds wonderfull cant wait for next week, and I have just downloaded the Massey hall neil young concert and its from 1971 ??? just shows you what treasures are lurking out there on PCM or Tape, the track listing is near perfect for me at least, What an artist Neil Young is playing solo, this album is a revalation to me And as somebody said the quality is breathtaking especially from back in 1971 !!!!!!!!! But why oh why has it taken this long to be released I dont understand why prolific Artists ponder and become resitant to release to many CD's or Albums If the paying public want to buy and the Record company and the artist gain monetry advantage then where is the problem. But I am only to gratfull it has been released so far March is a very good month for me. Im shining LOL ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #88 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)