From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 18 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 083 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) ["P Bear" ] St. Patrick's Day [Garret ] Re: The Club 47 bootleg cleaned up for ya... [Mark-Leon Thorne ] re: joni on bbc radio 2 ["Joe Farrell" ] Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) [Bob Muller ] Re: holy Madonna batman [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered [David Sapp ] remasters and digital formats [Dave Blackburn ] Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #117 [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered [Brian Gross ] Re: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download [Bob Muller ] Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered ["Kate Bennett" ] SV: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download ["Marion Leffler" ] yet another list - but guess who's no 1 ["ron" ] Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered, now CSHOF ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) [Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) Hi Debra , yes your explanation is correct . But she spent a great deal of time , after she became known , improving her ability as a folk artist , and studying traditional folk . I'm not really familiar with Richard Thompson or many traditionalists , but I'm open to anyone emailing , or wanting to chat on the topic to me . Also , Hi to Cassy . Thanks to both for your replies . - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Find new & used iPods; designer clothing and more. Join free at http://www.ebay.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:25:38 +0000 From: Garret Subject: St. Patrick's Day Happy Paddy's day gang, I hope you eat something green and drink a pint of plain for yisserselves. La Fhiile Padraig Shona Duit GARRET NP- Kim Carnes, Bette Davis Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:49:34 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: The Club 47 bootleg cleaned up for ya... This was a bit of an experiment on my part. I have been so impressed with the remastering you've achieved so far on Joni's albums, I was wondering if anything could save some of these poor quality bootlegs. Dave, you have achieved more than I could have imagined. The Club 47 performance was one of the worst quality recordings of all. I am amazed. It is so clear. It's like it was recorded this year, using digital equipment to my ears. You mislabelled Cactus Tree as Marcie so, therefore, all the tracks are there. You did a particularly amazing job with Cactus Tree. It was the worst part of the recording with tape stretching in parts. I thought that track would have been irreparable. I don't know which recording has the correct track listing but, I sent you this one because it contains Come To The Sunshine. The other recording doesn't. Incredible job, Dave. I have designed a CD cover for this recording. If you would like to use it, download it here http://download.yousendit.com/D7620A7D05461FFA Mark in Sydney NP Conversation (Club 47) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:01:58 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered Thanks for the Mps Dave. you did a fabulous job. Oh by the way I did have the original :-) cheers Paul from Wales ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 05:51:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Retro Joni Covers, Lucky #13 As promised, here is an oldie-but-goodie to keep you Joni cover fans happy until a brand new volume gets released in a couple weeks. Volume 13 can be found here: http://download.yousendit.com/115D2CE023C2744F And has lots of great stuff - mailny: 1. Bettie Serveert - River 2. Catherine McKinnon - Both Sides Now 3. Parasites - Both Sides Now 4. Shawn Colvin - River 5. Buddy Holly - You're So Square (Baby I Don't Care) 6. Manfred Mann's Earth Band - Banquet 7. Marcel Dadi - Both Sides Now 8. Chaka Khan - Man From Mars 9. Lydia van Dam Group - All I Want 10. Ralph Martin Willey - Chelsea Morning 11. Vera Haime - Carey 12. Bette Midler - Twisted 13. Lydia van Dam Group - Down To You 14. David Hay - Chinese Cafe 15. Vera Haime - Big Yellow Taxi 16. Lydia van Dam Group - Shadows And Light 17. Treasure - Both Sides Now 18. E-Clypse - This Flight Tonight Dig it. Bob NP: Seal, "Newborn Friend" - --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:28:03 -0000 From: "Joe Farrell" Subject: re: joni on bbc radio 2 Hi, In this weeks Radio Times, TV and radio listings magazine in the uk,on page 5 there is a short write up about the upcoming programmes. They are called "Come in from the Cold: the Return of Joni Mitchell" apparently. On page 119 there is an interview, short, with Amanda Ghost. Radio Times asks Amanda "Joni's notoriously media-shy. How did you persuade her to do a radio interview?" To which she replies "I just called her up and asked her!". Seems obvious really, so simple. Anyway it promises to be a really interesting couple of programmes and I am really looking forward to them. Regards, Joe Farrell. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 06:12:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) Hello P Bear, and let me throw in my "welcome" to you as well. (And a big welcome back to Debra - I've missed you muchly). Since you state the above with such certainty, I'm curious as to your source for the information. I'm willing to believe it, but it doesn't ring consistent with what I've previously read about the arc of Joni's career, which generally states that she entered the game early on via 'folk music', but quickly abandoned it in pursuit of other stylings. You say "after she became known" which to me indicates late 60's/early 70's. Would appreciate any additional illuminations you can provide - after all, life is for learning. Bob NP: Todd Rundgren, "Flaw" (still loving this record) - --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:19:21 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: holy Madonna batman From a Joni interview: > Yet someone like Madonna can be seen as a feminist hero because she's > exploiting her own sexuality rather than being exploited by some man. > > That's an interesting idea, but what's the difference between her and a hard > hooker, you know? Who's being exploited there? She's reveling in herself > too. But she can take it. I guess that's what it is. It's just being able to > take it, you know. > Hi Joni, The difference in my opinion is that Madonna treats men like pets rather than being treated like a pet by men. Love, Laura ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:43:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered Well you did a great job Dave... the sound is so intimate as this album should be... very clear, I like it very much. Song to a Seagull I have always loved... and consider it the finest of Joni's first four albums (yes that includes the vaunted Blue)... and it usually ends up anywhere from number four to number eight if I want to make a list of Joni favorite albums. I'll save the story of my discovery of this album for later. I'm downloading Club 47 as we speak. Thanks for your great work... and maybe someday will have a new remastered Turbulent Indigo... ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:42:44 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: remasters and digital formats This post from Snatch N. Grabster is quite true in its claims about lossy compression and its shortcomings. Subject: Re: The Club 47 bootleg cleaned up for ya... Cleaned-up, remastered recordings are best circulated in a compressed, lossless format. Otherwise, if they circulate only in mp3, and are burned to CDs, this somewhat defeats the purpose of remastering, as mp3 is lossy and degrades the sound of the source files. The situation gets worse when someone burns a CD from the mp3s and someone else makes new mp3s from that CD, and so on... FLAC is the standard for compressed, lossless file sharing, and the preferred method of distribution for recordings like Club 47 is bit torrent.> However, there are other factors to consider. In my case I don't have access to the original master tapes so I am already processing someone else's idea of a digital master of an analog source, for the most part done in the 80's when a/d converters were garbage by a label that was rushing to fill their catalog with the new fangled CD format (in itself a lossy format). Add to that the eternal Mac/ Windows divide (as a Mac user I have never once used FLAC but didn't subject anyone to Apple Lossless either for the same reason.) In my opinion, and that of many pro musicians, the AAC/mp4 file format encoded at 256 kpbs is the best sounding lossy format to date which is what I usually provide for folks on this list. But I received numerous emails from people who didn't use iTunes and couldn't open the files. So the next option is 320 kpbs Variable Bit Rate mp3s which sound pretty decent. Many people still don't have broadband (I live in the country and it only became available last summer) so lossless files of any stripe would be too big for them. The Club 47 bootleg was truly horrible sounding at source and not even the best golden ears could hear the difference between formats. STAS was also a horrible piece of audio to start with. TRIAGE. I do what I can to make the listen a better experience. Perfect is not available to me. The circulating CD concept is all well and good but it would take two years for the same number of people to enjoy the music as can be done overnight with the lossy format, and judging by the responses I've had from the last six Joni albums I've worked on, people are very happy with them. If you absolutely can't bear the thought anything less than AIFF CD format, Paypal me $5 and send me your mailing address off list and I'll burn you CDs, as I have done for several people. Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:53:31 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download Found this in my email box. Download Sufjan Stevens - Free Man In Paris http://savefile.com/files/553584 Track #1 from the upcoming Joni Mitchell Tribute Laura ************************************************************************* FIRST day of SPRING FREEBIE* Mark the calendar Free iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts on March 21 - ----------------------------------------------- "All day long, Dunkin' Donuts locations all over the US will be giving away free 16-ounce iced coffees. Their iced coffees are "double brewed" for smoothness and come in nine different flavors, in addition to regular coffee." Win a candy bar http://www.nestlecrunch.com/crunchandwin/login_register.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:03:58 EDT From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #117 In a message dated 3/17/2007 12:05:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, owner-joni-digest@smoe.org writes: Folk (myfav) Joan Baez, who lady became Lady Grumpy. Hey! I love Joan! What do you mean Lady Grumpy? I wasn't even close to being around when she first debuted but from what I've read and seen it seems to me she's actually mellowed a bit over the years. Maybe I'm wrong. I think Lady Grumpy could have been applied to her early Madonna years - sitting absolutely mournfully, in the spotlight of a dark coffeeshop, singing "Greenwood Side" or "Mary Hamilton." - - Kira ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered Dave and Jerry, You've done a miraculous job with STAS. You've really outdone yourself this time. It's like you found the key to the translucent box that David Crosby locked Joni's debut in so many years ago. He has always blamed the death of the recording engineer during the project for the original tracks he needed to "bell jar" but with your remastering, you have redeemed everyone. It is a shame that the now-crystal clear Dawntreader comes too late for our dear departed Mary Grace to hear. She would have been thrilled with the results. Thank you! - --- Dave Blackburn wrote: > To all Joniamigos, > After seven attempts and some back and forth consulting with my > listening assistant Jerry Notaro, I have finally got STAS much closer > to where it should be sonically. Given the rather extreme problems of > the source (early 60's panning -dated by 1968 even- , harsh guitar > tones, distorted vocal phrases, tape hiss and excessive chamber > reverb along with withered tape stock before the source CD was > originally transferred) there are still some unfixable problems but > Jerry and I believe they have improved considerably. I had to resort > to some pretty bizarre methods to get there but the results are here > now for you to hear. - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:25:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download Oh Laura, Laura Laura...yes I do - I love you!! I'm sending you great big wet sloppy cyber-kisses for this. This is probably my most eagerly-awaited listen on this album, and he does indeed put his own stamp on it. Awesome. I bought an advance promo copy of the Tribute CD last week on ebay - hopefully I will get it this coming week - international mail can be fickle. In the meantime I'm digging this one. Bob NP: Sufjan, "Free Man In Paris" - --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered, now CSHOF And speaking of great jobs - a BIG BIG Gracias Amigos to Brian and Michael for the DVD of Joni's induction into the Canadian Songwriter's HOF - as luch would have it, yesterday was my off-Friday so when it arrived in yesterday's mail I was able to pop it in the player instantly. As much as I enjoyed the audio, watching the video really took it to whole 'nuther level. And Chaka sounds so much better on the DVD! :o) Luckily I had access to the box of Kleenex as I needed a couple - some very touching moments, especially when Joni herself gets choked up. Thanks again Michael & Brian for this treasure. JMDLer's rule. Bob NP: Sufjan Stevens, "Free Man In Paris" (for the 3rd time) - --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered I appreciate Dave's mention of me but the credit all goes to him. He is incredible. It is so much more than his considerable skill but his love and sensitivity to Joni's work that makes these remasterings so wonderful. And as a Media Librarian who has spent a career on the distribution of information through media, I have to echo his words on format. It's like criticizing the printed Bible because the hand made manuscripts were superior. We wouldn't have these recordings at all if some un-tech soul hadn't recorded it over the FM radio onto a cassette (talk about lossy) to give out to fans in the first place. Jerry Brian Gross wrote: > Dave and Jerry, > > You've done a miraculous job with STAS. You've really outdone yourself > this > time. It's like you found the key to the translucent box that David > Crosby > locked Joni's debut in so many years ago. He has always blamed the death > of the > recording engineer during the project for the original tracks he needed to > "bell jar" but with your remastering, you have redeemed everyone. > > It is a shame that the now-crystal clear Dawntreader comes too late for > our > dear departed Mary Grace to hear. She would have been thrilled with the > results. > > Thank you! > > > --- Dave Blackburn wrote: > >> To all Joniamigos, >> After seven attempts and some back and forth consulting with my >> listening assistant Jerry Notaro, I have finally got STAS much closer >> to where it should be sonically. Given the rather extreme problems of >> the source (early 60's panning -dated by 1968 even- , harsh guitar >> tones, distorted vocal phrases, tape hiss and excessive chamber >> reverb along with withered tape stock before the source CD was >> originally transferred) there are still some unfixable problems but >> Jerry and I believe they have improved considerably. I had to resort >> to some pretty bizarre methods to get there but the results are here >> now for you to hear. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love > (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. > http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:55:43 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: The Club 47 bootleg cleaned up for ya... Oops...Mark pointed out that I mislabeled "Cactus Tree" as "Marcie" in the Club 47 set. Please fix at your end if you already downloaded it. I'll reupload a corrected version. Dave BTW does anyone know if Joni actually hired the Warrior Drummers of Burundi or, as I suspect, found an LP of their drumming, transferred it to her multitrack and wrote a song over it (when I remastered HOSL I heard LP surface noise only on that song.) I wonder if they got paid ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:08:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: The Club 47 bootleg cleaned up for ya... Dave, Her engineers most likely got it from an archive. Probably the Library of Congress. Jerry Dave Blackburn wrote: > Oops...Mark pointed out that I mislabeled "Cactus Tree" as "Marcie" > in the Club 47 set. Please fix at your end if you already downloaded > it. I'll reupload a corrected version. > > Dave > > BTW does anyone know if Joni actually hired the Warrior Drummers of > Burundi or, as I suspect, found an LP of their drumming, transferred > it to her multitrack and wrote a song over it (when I remastered HOSL > I heard LP surface noise only on that song.) I wonder if they got > paid ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:59:12 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: holy Madonna batman > From a Joni interview: >> That's an interesting idea, but what's the difference between her and a >> hard >> hooker, you know? Who's being exploited there? She's reveling in herself >> too. But she can take it. I guess that's what it is. It's just being able >> to >> take it, you know. > > Hi Joni, > The difference in my opinion is that Madonna treats men like pets > rather > than being treated like a pet by men. Love, Laura Then again, many prostitutes specialize in fetishism. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:56:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered This was my desert island joni disc- Dave's version is the one I'm taking! It is sooooo beautiful, thank you Dave! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:34:52 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: SV: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download Thank you Laura! Interesting interpretation, very original! It reminds me of the Beatles' album Sergeant Pepper's lonely heart clubs band... Marion - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-onlyjoni@smoe.org] Fvr est86mlm@ameritech.net Skickat: den 17 mars 2007 16:54 Till: joni@smoe.org Dmne: Free Man In Paris - Sufjan Stevens download Found this in my email box. Download Sufjan Stevens - Free Man In Paris http://savefile.com/files/553584 Track #1 from the upcoming Joni Mitchell Tribute Laura ************************************************************************* FIRST day of SPRING FREEBIE* Mark the calendar Free iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts on March 21 - ----------------------------------------------- "All day long, Dunkin' Donuts locations all over the US will be giving away free 16-ounce iced coffees. Their iced coffees are "double brewed" for smoothness and come in nine different flavors, in addition to regular coffee." Win a candy bar http://www.nestlecrunch.com/crunchandwin/login_register.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:23:39 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Hello New York and New England+Joni Music ? Hello from out here in the Catskills. I can't believe that I am close yet so far away. We are playing in Peekskill tonight and Manchester, New Hampshire tomorrow. I am feeling so blue knowing that next week there will be so many of you in this area and I will be in New Orleans. Rosalita called me today to let me know she is going and it made me even bluer. It was a terrible storm in Philly last evening which prevented me from getting together with my old friend Nikki. So much sorrow, please let it be interrupted. Love Paz Does anyone have the exact time and website address in est that we can hear the Joni stuff on sunday??? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:24:44 -0400 From: Michael Paz Subject: Manchester, NH If anyone in the NE area wants to come to the show tomorrow night please email me or call me on the old shoe fone. Showtime is 7pm Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:10:19 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: yet another list - but guess who's no 1 hi wyep;s list of top 50 women in music: http://wyep.org/music_programs/topwomen.asp ron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 02:09:10 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Song to a Seagull Remastered, now CSHOF My feeling when watching this show (CSHOF) was that Joni was actually very touched by this particular award, compared to others she's received, where her acceptance speeches have been somewhat cool or ambivalent. Michael in Quebec, wearing green today ; ) _________________________________________________________________ Have Some Fresh Air Fun This March Break http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!147 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:30:48 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: yet another list - but guess who's no 1 Well good! I'm glad Joni has topped a list. I'm glad there are people who can recognize for once. - -Monika, having the worst St. Patrick's Day ever ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:33:22 EDT From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni and the Wonder Years Well I received my Wonder Years DVD I ordered from Ebay the other day. In the pilot episode they were showing some "old footage" of the characters and a little clip of "Both Sides Now" was playing. I must say this show would have a fine, fine soundtrack if it ever were to be made. - -Mon ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:17:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) - --- Debra wrote: > I'm 4,500 messages behind Debra, that is so cool. I am only 2,178 behind as of right this minute! XO, - --Smurf ____________________________________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:40:51 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni and Folk (Re: Bob's Digest) Well according to my computer, I have 10,295 unread messages in my jonilist folder. If they're not read now, I somehow doubt that they ever will be. But that's okay...I have plenty to read and feel pretty caught up with everything for the most part. Victor NP: Tom Waits - Christmas Card From a Hooker in Minneapolis On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:17 PM, Smurf wrote: > --- Debra wrote: > >> I'm 4,500 messages behind > > > Debra, that is so cool. I am only 2,178 behind as of > right this minute! > > XO, > > --Smurf > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ______________ > Don't get soaked. Take a quick peek at the forecast > with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#loc_weather ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #83 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)