From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #76 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, March 11 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 076 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) [] Re: Word article [Victor Johnson ] Jonatha Brooke's new one - vljc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) [Michael Paz] Re: Jonatha Brooke's new one - vljc [Michael Paz ] CBC Both Sides Now Documentary Pt. 2 [Bob Muller ] Re: joni...love of nature ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: the word magazine article [David Sapp ] Re: The Definitive 200 Albums list..... [seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article [] Re: the word magazine article [Victor Johnson ] Fwd: Don Alias "Remembrance" [Michael Paz ] Re: Word article ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: The Word article ["Bree Mcdonough" ] the word [Smurf ] Re: the word [Victor Johnson ] The good, the bad, the ugly, the bold, the beautiful.... [Bryan Subject: Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) The Divine Miss Sherelle is spending a week out here in California and we got to spend a wonderful time yesterday catching up. I haven't seen her since the first Jonifest in Pittsburgh 9 years ago. It was just fantastic to visit with her again. She is such an inspiration and good lady. I figured she might like to go see some jazz and magically my fave Kurt Eilling was in town with band playing at Catalina Bar & Grill. We scored a table right next to the left stage. Kurt was blowing us away and then announced a special guest - none other than the legendary Bob Sheppard on alto sax! Bob toured with Joni throughout the 2000 Both Sides Now concert. Sherelle just loved getting "close to Joni" in a sense and they were smiling back and forth a bit with each other. Bob and Joni's 2000 tour drummer Peter Erskine have both recorded on Kurt's albums. He really attracts the cream of the "cats." Jeff Clayton of the Clayton Hamilton Jazz Orchestra (the "house" jazz orchestra of the Hollywood Bowl) was also sitting behind us. It was some stunning music. Afterward I just had to take her by the Hotel Bel Air bar where we sat by the fire reminiscing and I walked her through the Van and Joni 1998 tour parties there ;-) We both kept saying how lucky and appreciative we have been to have made so many incredible friends over the years through this list. She took off on the coast train to visit Kate B. in Santa Barbara wine country this morning. I'm sure she is going to have many great tales to tell when she gets back home. Sherelle, thank you again for taking the time to meet up and please come back again! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:42:56 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Word article Reading the article (thanks Les and Les) I got a distinct feeling of deja vue. Maybe that's because I have read a lot of intervies in the jmdl-library lately. Sure, Joni keeps whining about some things but then again, the journalists keep asking her the same questions over and over! I am inclined to admire her patience with this and bothering to answer at all...As for her world views, on the whole I agree with her although some of it is narrowed by her perspective, by the way she lives. She doesn't live an ordinary life, after all. For example, her struggle with the taxman turned her into a political person - that's what she says in the interview. I find that a bit self-centered. I can imagine lots of other reasons for people to become political than a struggle over the size of their income taxes - social injustices in general, for example. But then again, Joni's world is different from mine, and she is doing the best she can from her point of view. I admire her confidence and do not think she is arrogant. There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is her constant rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that feminists are "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest time that her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". I think it is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, and how could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? Have a nice weekend, Marion ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:39:42 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Word article On Mar 10, 2007, at 5:42 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > > There is one thing that puzzles me about her, though, and that is > her constant > rejection of feminism. In some interviews, she has said that > feminists are > "too aggressive". In the Word article, she repeats for the umptiest > time that > her music is raceless and genderless. And that it isn't "feminine". > I think it > is!! She certainly speaks with a woman's voice in all her lyrics, > and how > could she not? Anybody else baffled by this? I agree Marion, I thought that was an odd thing to say. People should be proud of what they are and something as deep and personal as music should reflect that, not hide it. When I listen to Stevie Wonder, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, I'm totally aware that they are black men and it is something that is intertwined with their music, inseparable. Maybe the blind piano player meant that her music transcends all barriers but he just had a funny way of saying it. She goes on to say later that straight white males have trouble dealing with her music and emotionality...being a straight white male I have to take exception to that. I am not afraid of emotionality and I love sneaky chords. Even if she meant that as a generalization, I'm not even sure that is true. Sure, maybe she's confronting a stereotype that certainly exists but it seems a little dated in my opinion, like she's stuck in the past. We're not in the '50's JOni. There are plenty of straight, white male songwriters who are highly emotional and use unusual chords that will catch you off guard. Jeff Buckley comes to mind. And I also have to take exception to her statement that classical music today is elevator music. I've heard and also met some contemporary classical composers (Golijav, and Gandolfi who ironically is actually a big fan of hers and wanted to bring her to Tanglewood) and her statement is way off base. They're certainly not in the spotlight (when have they ever been?) but there are amazing composers writing music that is both stimulating and invigorating. I certainly don't like all of it and there are pieces/composers out there that would fit her description but as a general statement it is clearly uninformed. Maybe she needs to search a little harder just people wade through popular music to find her. Also, maybe she is a fan of Debussy but he is hardly the only classical composer who was different from all the others. Stravinsky comes to mind (going to see Rite of Spring in April), Chopin, Mahler, Bach who was pretty much written off and forgotten till Felix Mendelsshon discovered him and resurrected his music from the dead. I agree with Kakki, that in some instances she does come across as a bit arrogant. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:34:03 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Jonatha Brooke's new one - vljc I rec'd this e-mail because I'm on the Jonatha Brooke mailing list. Her new CD drops soon and you can pre-order at her website - you can also listen to clips of the new songs and a full version of one. Interesting what she has to say about the record business. It sounds kind of familiar and somewhat depressing. I've ordered mine already. I really do love Jonatha's music. - -------------------------------------------------------- Hi all, Jonatha here, I know you're barraged with email every day. BUT, it occurred to me late last night, gearing up for this pre-order release that if every one of you reading this (you all did sign up at some point!) bought the new CD here, we'd be able to cover our costs for three months!! No small feat. So, it's true, we're ready to start taking pre-orders for my new record "Careful What You Wish For." We'll start sending them out next week, and of course, I will autograph every single one. Place your order now! http://www.jonathabrooke.com/music/careful-what-you-wish-for/ As I'm sure you know, the record business is as tough as it's ever been. Tower is gone, and most retail stores will only stock the top sellers. So whether you buy the record here, at Amazon or Borders or Barnes and Noble, every sale counts. Spreading the word to your friends and family is incredibly helpful too. We're still making changes to the site, the new discussion board should be functioning soon. And I plan to be as present as I can with new journals and pictures. So check in often and say hello. Many thanks for your support over the years. I'm so excited about this record. I think you're gonna love it. Cheers Jonatha Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:58:36 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sherelle and Kurt Elling and Bob Sheppard (Joni moments) Sounds like you guys had a great time. Wish i could have been there. In Ft. Wayne Indiana to tonight and home tomorrow. Love Paz On Mar 10, 2007, at 2:14 AM, wrote: The Divine Miss Sherelle is spending a week out here in California and we got to spend a wonderful time yesterday catching up. I haven't seen her since the first Jonifest in Pittsburgh 9 years ago. It was just fantastic to visit with her again. She is such an inspiration and good lady. I figured she might like to go see some jazz and magically my fave Kurt Eilling was in town with band playing at Catalina Bar & Grill. We scored a table right next to the left stage. Kurt was blowing us away and then announced a special guest - none other than the legendary Bob Sheppard on alto sax! Bob toured with Joni throughout the 2000 Both Sides Now concert. Sherelle just loved getting "close to Joni" in a sense and they were smiling back and forth a bit with each other. Bob and Joni's 2000 tour drummer Peter Erskine have both recorded on Kurt's albums. He really attracts the cream of the "cats." Jeff Clayton of the Clayton Hamilton Jazz Orchestra (the "house" jazz orchestra of the Hollywood Bowl) was also sitting behind us. It was some stunning music. Afterward I just had to take her by the Hotel Bel Air bar where we sat by the fire reminiscing and I walked her through the Van and Joni 1998 tour parties there ;-) We both kept saying how lucky and appreciative we have been to have made so many incredible friends over the years through this list. She took off on the coast train to visit Kate B. in Santa Barbara wine country this morning. I'm sure she is going to have many great tales to tell when she gets back home. Sherelle, thank you again for taking the time to meet up and please come back again! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:59:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke's new one - vljc Ordered mine day before yesterday. She has not done so well with sales. It sounds rather desperate really. I love her though. Paz On Mar 10, 2007, at 7:34 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: I rec'd this e-mail because I'm on the Jonatha Brooke mailing list. Her new CD drops soon and you can pre-order at her website - you can also listen to clips of the new songs and a full version of one. Interesting what she has to say about the record business. It sounds kind of familiar and somewhat depressing. I've ordered mine already. I really do love Jonatha's music. - -------------------------------------------------------- Hi all, Jonatha here, I know you're barraged with email every day. BUT, it occurred to me late last night, gearing up for this pre-order release that if every one of you reading this (you all did sign up at some point!) bought the new CD here, we'd be able to cover our costs for three months!! No small feat. So, it's true, we're ready to start taking pre-orders for my new record "Careful What You Wish For." We'll start sending them out next week, and of course, I will autograph every single one. Place your order now! http://www.jonathabrooke.com/music/careful-what-you-wish-for/ As I'm sure you know, the record business is as tough as it's ever been. Tower is gone, and most retail stores will only stock the top sellers. So whether you buy the record here, at Amazon or Borders or Barnes and Noble, every sale counts. Spreading the word to your friends and family is incredibly helpful too. We're still making changes to the site, the new discussion board should be functioning soon. And I plan to be as present as I can with new journals and pictures. So check in often and say hello. Many thanks for your support over the years. I'm so excited about this record. I think you're gonna love it. Cheers Jonatha Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - ------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:27:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: CBC Documentary, Part 1 Happy weekend to my JMDL brethren! Since the CD's of this 2-hour broadcast are slowly making the rounds, I thought I would go ahead and post a link for those who want to hear it. Here is Hour #1 of the 2-hour broadcast. http://download.yousendit.com/9D278C4F0DDB418B It's good for 200 downloads and two weeks, so even if you're as behind as Smurf you can probably still get it. Karen O'Brien has a very sexy voice. Bob NP: Lucinda Williams, "Unsuffer Me" (my favorite track from one of my favorite 2007 releases) - --------------------------------- Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:15:00 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: CBC Both Sides Now Documentary Pt. 2 And here is hour/part/CD #2: http://download.yousendit.com/9D578AA50824FDD5 Bob NP: Albert Hammond, Jr, "Scared" - --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 17:38:35 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: joni...love of nature The complete download of Joni's 2005 Earth Day lecture at the Commonwealth Club is available on their website at http://www.commonwealthclub.org/archive/05/05-04mitchell-audio.html photos here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/squidish/sets/1374483/ Our man Julius cornered Joni in an elevator at this event ; ) ! Ask Patti P. Anyway, back to the talk. It's quite interesting, especially when Joni describes her Ameridian vision of life's competing and complementary poles. Unfortunately the host at the CWclub sidetracks her into talking about her career, instead of sticking to the more pressing matters at hand. Michael in Quebec NP: Diane Nalini Marianne wrote: Yes, how do we do this? "teach your children. . ." How do we instill a love of nature in this world to people who distance themselves from the very thing that gives them life (and beauty). I would like to have gone to this lecture. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Have Some Fun Out Of The Sun This March Break http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-ca/?v=2&cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!142 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:41:03 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article Kakki wrote <> She probably has GERD (acid reflux). I only say that because I know when I treat mine, my voice improves - greatly. Smoking, btw, is a contributing factor of GERD. <> I've talked to singers who have said they have to keep smoking or their voice worsens. I think this is true because the smoke kills the cilia (hairs) in the respiratory system. The cilia are responsible for bringing up the junk in the lungs. No cilia, the junk stays in the lungs and away from the vocal cords. Best not to start smoking. I'm sure there are many factors other than smoking, like the ones you mentioned, that have contributed to Joni's voice deterioration; however, I still think Joni is in denial about smoking. Mia _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:36:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: the word magazine article Well I loved the article and have always so enjoyed Joni's way of speaking in such epic like fashion. It brought to mind: You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky They're going to aim the hoses on you Show 'em you won't expire Not till you burn up every passion Not even when you die Come on now You've got to try If you're feeling contempt Well then you tell it If you're tired of the silent night Jesus well then you yell it Condemned to wires and hammers Strike every chord that you feel That broken trees And elephant ivories conceal As Joni ages it becomes more apparent that she has taken her own advice. ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:47:16 -0500 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: The Definitive 200 Albums list..... The 200 Albums you should own.....according to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Joni makes one appearance on this list. Although I warn you, there is some crap on here as there always is on lists. Some of it makes me sick to my stomach to be completely honest. And of course there are some albums that should be higher or that should be on here that aren't. But it is just a list....which is subjective and that's all. Enjoy. _http://www.definitive200.com/_ (http://www.definitive200.com/) - - -Monika >> This list is completely moronic. Why is John Coltrane on a rock and roll list? He's among my favorite musicians, but it makes no sense. Even worse to see muzak man Kenny G on there! And how can there be a Top 200 Rock Albums list without Janois Joplin or jerry Lee Lewis? Absurd! - - Scott ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 07:35:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article kbhla@fastmail.fm wrote: Now, the > partial > digestive problems, I can't imagine how that comes in! Reflux. The gases from the digestive acids can be quite destructive. They can damage the vocal chords. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:59:40 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: the word magazine article Yeap! I really like your take on this David... Evelyne - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Sapp" To: "joni list" Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 1:36 PM Subject: Re: the word magazine article > Well I loved the article and have always so enjoyed Joni's way of speaking in such epic like fashion. It brought to mind: > > > > You've got to shake your fists at lightning now > You've got to roar like forest fire > You've got to spread your light like blazes > All across the sky > They're going to aim the hoses on you > Show 'em you won't expire > Not till you burn up every passion > Not even when you die > Come on now > You've got to try > If you're feeling contempt > Well then you tell it > If you're tired of the silent night > Jesus well then you yell it > Condemned to wires and hammers > Strike every chord that you feel > That broken trees > And elephant ivories conceal > > > > As Joni ages it becomes more apparent that she has taken her own advice. ... signing off for now, > Peace, David > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:11:11 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article Mia and Jerry - yes, that occurred to me after I wrote! Hiatal hernias also cause reflux. (I know from personal experience). Smoking would aggravate both conditions. Kakki > Reflux. The gases from the digestive acids can be quite destructive. They > can damage the vocal chords. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:12:00 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: the word magazine article On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:36 PM, David Sapp wrote: > > > As Joni ages it becomes more apparent that she has taken her own > advice. It also becomes more apparent that she's not putting a lot of thought into what she's saying. Victor, who loved the article as well but is not issuing her a free pass ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:14:23 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Fwd: Don Alias "Remembrance" HEADS UP NEW YORK CITY Best paz Begin forwarded message: From: Music@TundraEnterprise.com Date: March 10, 2007 11:29:08 AM CST To: Remembrance@DonAlias.com Subject: Don Alias "Remembrance" Reply-To: Music@TundraEnterprise.com Hello, On April 1, 2007, 1-4p, there will be a gathering to celebrate the memory and spirit of Don Alias. Please see: http://www.DonAlias.com/ for details. Hope to see you there. Tundra Enterprise ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:34:44 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Word article Les and Catherine, Oh man this is so awesome. I just downloaded it to read when I grab some time. Thank you, thank you! -Katherine On 3/9/07, Les Irvin wrote: > > missblux wrote: > >Well so I promised Katherine to scan the > >Word article yesterday but got delayed > > London Les has graciously scanned this article. It's currently being > typed > for the Library but if you can't wait, you can read it here: > http://jmdl.com/library/typing/2007-04Word.pdf > > Thanks Les! > The other Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 15:29:46 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: The Word article I give Joni pass after pass because I love her music so. I have been in love with her many years now...since 1976.....and where others are spouting stuff like she does..on the environment...evil man destroying the planet....I haven't an ounce of tolerance.. Then with the rhetoric she unleashes..I find myself being way more lenient..listening to every word..trying to understand where she is coming from. I can't seem to separate her music from the person. I guess I want her to be superhuman..able to understand what very few do...to be above it all. (guru-like) That's my fault..not hers. Confucius say: Do not peel back the skin of^THE banana for the soul lives in them. Bree >I feel bad about being critical of Joni but I expect so much more from her >than this kind of discourse. Maybe that is wrong of me and uncharitable. I >struggle. > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 19:08:52 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: the word "I have a big black audience, fans who are warriors all round the world. The second in command of the Crips in LA is a 300-pound black man and he is a fan. They are emotional people who do not fear to listen to me." - --Joni Mitchell Jesus Christ, she's finally lost it! - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:46:40 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: the word LOL....literally! Victor On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:08 PM, Smurf wrote: > "I have a big black audience, fans who are warriors > all round the world. The second in command of the > Crips in LA is a 300-pound black man and he is a fan. > They are emotional people who do not fear to listen to > me." > > --Joni Mitchell > > > Jesus Christ, she's finally lost it! > > --Smurf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:08:09 -0800 (PST) From: Bryan Subject: The good, the bad, the ugly, the bold, the beautiful.... >she might point the finger at herself for inflicting sludge like Dancing Clown, Reoccurring >Dream, the Windfall and Number One (and I fear there are others...) on us - these are not >just crummy songs by her previously stratospheric standards, they're crummy by any >standards. Ouch! I can't defend Clown (though I enjoy it) and none of these songs rank up there with her best (Dream and Number aren't even songs really, they're more like sketches), but, honestly, aren't they fun to listen to? Do we have to take all of Joni's work so seriously? Doesn't anyone else find Windfall danceable? Bryan ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #76 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)