From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #75 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 075 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Voice ["Ross, Les" ] mash ups albums ["mike pritchard" ] Word article [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: Word article [Les Irvin ] The Word article [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: Word article ["Richard Flynn" ] Joni Complete on ebay [Victor Johnson ] Re: Word article ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Word article [Victor Johnson ] Re: Word article [Victor Johnson ] Re: Word article [Motitan@aol.com] AUDIO CDs of Canadian Sonwriters Hall of Fame induction and Both Sides Now radio broadcast [Brian Gross ] Fw: Joni's voice/Word article [] Re: The Word article [] Re: Joni's Parker, and guitars of yours [Bruce Eggleston ] Word article [] RE: Joni question - amnesty concert ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's Voice Azeem wrote on the subject of Joni's interview in Word: I'm afraid so. For the longest time now, every time i read Joni in interview i'm groaning a little inside at the way she bangs on about her misperception, misrepresentation, misappropration, miscellaneous. Joni, we know, we heard it already. Those of us who listen to you got the message a time ago. Those not listening to you, well, they don't and wont. You've been going on about the same thing for what feels like decades - (I'm talking in relation to herself and her place in the world as an artist.) Now, as far as i'm concerned, she can rail endlessly about the state of the world. That i have no problem with that. Her insights and sensitivities i can listen to til the cows come home whether i agree with them or not. See, for me the big schism is the way she is presented by Kakki and others who've had the good fortune to have met the old bird in the flesh and passed the time of day with her. This is the Joni i've always held out was there. This "Interview Joni" is a pain in the arseberts. I'd sooner she didn't bother if she's just going to talk about herself and how hard done-by she feels. Life can be like that sometimes, get on with it. Can't help thinking too that if she just got on with her work in whatever form it manifests and took it and her world views to the public domain her perceived stock would rise if only by virtue of her putting her creative money where her Sire of Sorrow mouth is. I mean. Aren't we all just a little sick of people yacking on about stuff. Do the thing whatever it is and be judged by that. Les (digest boy...I liked that crack Bobbit Mu) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:32:32 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: mash ups albums http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1485693/20040311/jay_z.jhtml?headlines=true/ Story about Danger Mouse's Gray Album which mixes the Beatles White Album and Jay-Z's Brown Album. It finishes with the following paragraph: "Someone asked me if I would ever use Joni Mitchell's Blue album with Weezer's 'Green Album' or R.E.M.'s Green and make The Turquoise Album," Burton said, smiling. "While that's funny to say, it could be interesting if I sat down to do it." Mark-Leon, what are you waiting for? mike in bcn np Gorillaz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:22:47 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Word article Well so I promised Katherine to scan the Word article yesterday but got delayed with everything and today it turned out that our scanner has been locked up in some room and you need to ask permission to use it... and when I finally managed I couldn't scan the text into anything readable. Maybe it's partly due to my brains being slowly grilled these days... But I did manage to scan some photos which I'll send via YouTube. I like the one from the front cover! she looks sparkling. BN ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 11:34:21 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Word article missblux wrote: >Well so I promised Katherine to scan the >Word article yesterday but got delayed London Les has graciously scanned this article. It's currently being typed for the Library but if you can't wait, you can read it here: http://jmdl.com/library/typing/2007-04Word.pdf Thanks Les! The other Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:07:13 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: The Word article Hi, well I agree that some of the things she says are fairly grumpy and some are arrogant. For instance, about her new album: this time its not as wordy as it has been. That was another experiment - -- how many words could I get in line -- then Paul Simon started doing that when I heard that I thought "this is a bad idea". Woe be to the imitators. I wonder if the last sentence was really hers and not the journalist's. She also mentions, about her work, that I wasn't ready for retirement, for gardening and watching old movies, which is basically what I'd been doing for ten years... I agree with Kakki that it sounds like someone who has been going through a bad time. But I like her defiance, and in some sense her arrogance as well. I wonder how these things would have come across if they had come from a man? Hmm... I would have said more, but there's too much! For those who haven't read the interview, here is a quote which I guess she'd want us to think about: Ever since I saw those pictures of North America at night I turn lights off at night. All that energy is sucking from nature, the man-made has taken over the natural world. All over the globe war is accelerating, we need that energy diverted into saving the planet, while the planet is trying to shake us off its back. It is our host and we are this bacteria, this infection. We insist on wounding it more and more. War is ridiculous at this time and then to add insult to injury by calling it a holy war is just obscene, ignorant and tragic. Well said ma'am. Bn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:35:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Word article This isn't nearly as grumpy as I'd been led to believe by reading people's posts here. Or maybe I'm as grumpy as Joni is. I agree with her that calling the current war a holy war is "just obscene and ignorant and tragic." And I agree with her critical assessment of "an American culture that says once you are past first year of college you shouldn't be worrying about the world. You are supposed to grow up and go with the programme." I found this to be one of the most informative of recent interviews, and I was very interested in her working methods. Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 1:34 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Word article missblux wrote: >Well so I promised Katherine to scan the >Word article yesterday but got delayed London Les has graciously scanned this article. It's currently being typed for the Library but if you can't wait, you can read it here: http://jmdl.com/library/typing/2007-04Word.pdf Thanks Les! The other Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:05:05 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Joni Complete on ebay The Joni Complete songbook is up on ebay again. Bidding is up to $56.75. I think I'll wait till it's revised and released again.....whenever that is. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=130085953670&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:12 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:27:32 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Word article Thanks for that, Leses- She could talk like a fool, I'd listen. Did you see, lower on the cover, a feature "100 Years of Bitching"? Interesting about her tangle with the gov't over not having a producer. What the heck? RR > London Les has graciously scanned this article. It's currently being > typed > for the Library but if you can't wait, you can read it here: > http://jmdl.com/library/typing/2007-04Word.pdf > > Thanks Les! > The other Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:11:47 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Word article Interesting read, thanks Lesb I like the way she talks. Victor NP: John Coltrane Slow Dance On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:27 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > Thanks for that, Leses- > She could talk like a fool, I'd listen. > Did you see, lower on the cover, a feature > "100 Years of Bitching"? > Interesting about her tangle with the gov't over > not having a producer. What the heck? > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:23:58 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Word article It looks like I said thanks Lesb(ian) but it actually read Les (squared) but when the plain text converted the 2 into a b. Computers are funny. Victor NP: John Coltrane Lush Life On Mar 9, 2007, at 5:11 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: > Interesting read, thanks Lesb > > I like the way she talks. > > Victor > > NP: John Coltrane Slow Dance ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:34:19 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Word article Hmm, I haven't read it in its entirety. I plan to when it's put in the JMDL library. I appreciate the scanning---the pictures were nice, and I skimmed some of it but I couldn't read the writing on the black page at all so I decided not to try and read it fully until I could see it properly. It sounds interesting from what you all have said. See, I may be young but my eyesight still sucks! - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:42:07 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: AUDIO CDs of Canadian Sonwriters Hall of Fame induction and Both Sides Now radio broadcast Dr. Katherine wrote: >Thank you Jill. Yesterday I received the 3 JMDL master CDs (CBC Both Sides >Now 1 & 2 and Songwriters Hall of Fame)! They will be ready to ship again >on Monday so the first person to write me off-list with their mailing >address will be the lucky jmdler. These cds arrived today and I have copied them and I'm ready to pass them along to the next jmdler who emails me offlist with a mailing address. I'm expecting the VIDEO DVD of the CBC broadcast of the Induction ceremony to arrive next week from Michael in Quebec. I've got a sleeve of 50 dvd+r blanks that I want to use for this recording, so email me with a mailing address if you'd like one of these copies. Michael, thank you for recording this broadcast. I will return your original dvd in pristine condition after I burn the copies. Have a good weekend everyone. Brian nw: 'Philly's Favorite Kids Show Hosts' on WHYY-TV (featuring clips of people like Sally Starr, Pixanne, Chief Halftown, Uncle Pete Boyle, Wee Willy Weber, Gene London, and Dr Shock) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: AUDIO CDs of Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame induction and Both Sides Now radio broadcast - --- I wrote: > Dr. Katherine wrote: > >Thank you Jill. Yesterday I received the 3 JMDL master CDs (CBC Both Sides > >Now 1 & 2 and Songwriters Hall of Fame)! They will be ready to ship again > >on Monday so the first person to write me off-list with their mailing > >address will be the lucky jmdler. > > These cds arrived today and I have copied them and I'm ready to pass them > along > to the next jmdler who emails me offlist with a mailing address. The audio cds are going to Victor on Monday. Brian - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 19:49:24 +1100 From: "don whiteman" Subject: Re: and guitars of yours Well I have been paying and collecting for many years. Current stable is 2003 Martin D42, 1987 Martin D18, Martin LXM (for travelling), 1980 Maton CW80(Aussie handmade) Dreadnought, 57 Reissue Strat, 1986 Ibanez Artist Solid body, 1988 Yamaha nylon String, Mid Missouri Mandolin (from Mandolin Bros), Deering B6 6string Banjitar, Mahalo Uke, Sitar, Dan bo (single string Vietnamese Instrument) , Dan Trahn (16 string Vietnamese Instrument), Fender Rhodes 77 piano, a box full of percussion bits and a box full of harps. I use a Genz Benz Shenandoh Acoustic Amp and Rode NT1A, SM57 and SM58 mikes. My wife keeps asking where am I going to put it every time I by a new imstument. Thing is I play every day. Don in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:19:11 -0800 From: Subject: Fw: Joni's voice/Word article Thanks to Les R. for transcribing part of the article and Azeem for some highlights. There are some new and interesting insights on the vocal problems. I always suspected the vocal chords had been damaged or somewhat "blown out" over the years from various strains, misuse or overuse and also suspected that the post-polio syndrome was affecting her. Now, the partial digestive problems, I can't imagine how that comes in! Hiatal hernia? But the joint and bone structure degeneration that can often affect women, and especially someone with neurological and muscular damage from polio, could most definitely throw all kinds of areas out of "alignment." It's good to hear that maybe she is getting some enlightened treatment these days and I hope it helps her. Blaming the smoking for everything just never washed with me. There are so many incredible female and male singers in every genre who smoked all through their career. The smoking can also give one more range, but I'm not trying to advocate that. Plus, look at all the singers we know who smoked lots of other substances over the years and still have their voice ;-) It's kind of like blaming North America for all the pollution on the planet when all scientific studies and other easily observable phenomena (such as looking at satellite maps with the naked eye) clearly and dramatically show that the developing industrial countries of China and India, to name a few, are leaving the biggest and baddest "carbon footprint." But it's chic to blame North America just like it's chic to blame smoking (or currently George Bush) for every ill known to man. Even Joni's doing it now! Oy! LOL Wishing I had an island I could skate away to, sometimes. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 21:26:05 -0800 From: Subject: Re: The Word article Bene, I kind of have an opposite take. I really am not bothered by any arrogance or whining or grumpiness that may come across in Joni's interviews. Well, maybe except for her going over the same particular complaints, over and over forever - it's true that is not a good place to be. What troubles me a bit is her sometimes facile or perhaps not well thought out pronouncements on the state of the world. I always thought she was so much more intelligent and focused than that but maybe I was projecting something on her that wasn't all there. Some of the portions of the article you provided made me shake my head and wonder. Such as: > Ever since I saw those pictures of North America at night I turn > lights off at night. All that energy is sucking from nature, the > man-made has taken over the natural world. Why single out North America? Most of us have seen those Google night time satellite photos. The entire world has and uses electricity to light up the night. We've read for years that Joni stays up all night and sleeps by day. Does she paint, eat and clean her house by candlelight or a propane lantern? Does she have solar generated power? Why not - she could afford it. Why not offer more of an example other than saying she turns off her lights at night. She also had a nice big SUV last I knew (maybe she has gone to a hybrid now, however). She should also at least note that her electricity in Calfornia is coming from many green friendly sources besides fossil fuel. We get a significant blend from bio, geothermal, hydro, nuclear and wind power in addition to oil. And "man," like it or not is PART of the natural world and always has been! > All over the globe war is accelerating, we need that energy diverted > into saving the planet, while the planet is trying to shake us off its > back. It is our host and we are this bacteria, this infection. We > insist on wounding it more and more. Sure, man has wounded the world but she acts like this is happening on some catastrophic scale. Natural disasters, meteors, asteroids, fire, solar flares, volcanos, earthquakes, hurricanes and the like have always "wounded" and affected the world to a far, far greater extent than "man." > War is ridiculous at this time and then to add insult to injury by > calling it a holy war is just obscene, ignorant and tragic. Yes, it is and always has been. In another part of the interview she talks about the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco where she spoke a couple years ago (I was there). She describes the club as "one of those groups of very wealthy people who buy presidents, the power behind the throne." While there may indeed be some groups that one might reasonably describe as such, I think she is way off on this one. The San Francisco jmdlers can correct me if I am wrong, but to me, it seemed like a sort of Toastmasters Club/upscale "Speakers Bureau" for all kinds of notables from every walk of life and every country. She misses the mark in making such a gratuitous comment about an organization that invited her to speak. I feel bad about being critical of Joni but I expect so much more from her than this kind of discourse. Maybe that is wrong of me and uncharitable. I struggle. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:50:12 -0700 From: Bruce Eggleston Subject: Re: Joni's Parker, and guitars of yours I love to talk about guitars. I have some nice photos of Joni playing one of her Parkers at the Gorge at George, Washington concert Sunday May 17, 1998 (playing second with Mr. Dylan opening and Mr. Morrison closing). Her outfit matched the guitar. The guitar, a medium brown, Joni, a fawn-colored pants-suit. She played real good for some hefty dough. I imagine it took most of the money to unscrew Van's porkpie hat offen his haid. If any of you would like a scan of the Joni at the Gorge photo, please let me know and I'll send it along (with love, from me to you). I also got photos of Van's porkpie hat bobbin' above the amplifier behind which he hid for most the show. No photos of Bobin, he banned 'em. Bobman did play a real fine 3- burst Fender Stratocaster very well. It was one of his guitar-slinger shows and Mr. Dylan played some righteous lead on that purty Strat. My collection of fine Fender instruments are all gifts from my lovely and creative bride. The first she bought me for our 25th wedding anniversary July 10, 2001. It is a inordinately cool Fender Stratocaster 50's Classic model in the inestimably subtle Surf Green finish with a "bread and milk" purloid pickguard. As you guitarist know, these temperamental instruments need companionship. My famously kind wife then bought me a 1972 Fender Thinline Telecaster and! a 1969 Fender Thinline Telecaster, each in the tantalizingly exquisite Surf Green finish. These are all reissues of those venerable models and fine craftsmanship shows through on all three of them. They are beautiful to the eye and the ear. You note a trend? Yes, you are deductively tuned, I do freely abuse adjectives! Oh, you may also say that I also admire Fender guitars in the fetching and ethereal hue of the foamy crest of a clean wave breaking on the West Coast just before sunset as the tide rises to meet the moon. Surf Green is a perfect color for a twangy guitar born near the west coast of These United States. Well done, Leo! Then I was even more deserving, so my gorgeous and brilliant wife got me a spectacular Fender 12-string Stratocaster, a very recent design crafted in Japan, land of the Shell Pink sunrise surf. This magnificent instrument is finished in the traditional 3-colored sunburst which graced the first Stratocasters in 1955. This instrument is so fine, in both tone and style, that my pickin' buddies called it Guitar Porn. It makes you wanna shout, and it makes your big toe shoot straight up in your boot, in the immortal words of Little Richard. The real prize is a an almost urban-fable-worthy yard sale find. I paid $70, talked him down from $80, for a 1946 Fender Princeton lap steel six-string guitar. The thing plays like a fiend and it is in good shape. It came in an appropriately funky case from the period, thermometer-shaped with fuzzy medium blue liner. It would easily sell for ten times the price. It has one of the most soulful and rockabilly tones I have ever heard. Pure slide guitar magic. I also have Mother-0f-Toilet-Seat brown Supro lap steel that my mother acquired during the Hawaiian Guitar craze of the late 40s. It, too plays pure slide magic. I also am blessed with a Fender Jazz bass, in the three-tone burst of the 12-string Strat, and a free Yamaha acoustic with a bowed neck suitable for slide. I play all these lovelies through a small Fender Blues Jr. all-tube amplifier that fits with these fine instruments like a growl to a grizzly bear, just perfect. That was fun, Bonneville Bruce Strummin' and a slidin' on the Sunnyslope, Idaho ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:20:51 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Word article Great interview, one of the best I've read in years. Thanks for the scan, Les and Les (who are both more)! Randy wrote: > Interesting about her tangle with the gov't over > not having a producer. What the heck? I'm very interested to know more about this. Anyone have a take on it? Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:40:12 -0800 From: Subject: Word article Well, I just got to read the entire article. Whew! ;-) It was pretty good as far as just letting her talk and not paraphrasing her. I about spit out my diet coke on a few of the comments, though! Since when was Reaganomics a scheme to tax the affluent?! Neither Reagan nor Reaganites made those laws to tax music producers. And I recall Reagan was president of the U.S. and not governor of Calif. when she was fighting the State against the tax liens. It was probably an old law that didn't keep up with the times when people like her became their own producers. By winning the case she probably set some good case precedent so that the tax man could not come so easily after people in her position in the future. And the "culture" of Americans is to stop caring about the world after their first year in college?! Now THAT is arrogant! I better shut up now, but will make the observation that in this article she seems to be guilty of something I am often also criticized for - talking too much! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:48:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni question - amnesty concert >chalkmark was released not much later and i adored, and still adore that album.< That makes two of us ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #75 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)