From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, March 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni question [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Joni question [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Joni question ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Joni question [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Joni question ["Laurent Olszer" ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] Re: Joni question ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] RE: Joni question [Les Irvin ] Re: Joni question ["Randy Remote" ] Joni on Word [missblux@googlemail.com] RE: Joni question - amnesty concert ["patrick leader" ] Goat dance [] Joni's Voice [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:39:07 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance It's pretty clear to me too, Katherine. Thank you very much for that fascinating insight to Carey and the cultures of that region. Thanks to Victor too for the cultural lessons of Romania. My advice, Katherine; this guy will never let up. He will flood your in box forever if you continue. You are obviously spot on in your analysis but, Victor will never let up. He is just one of those people who will always insist is right. There were all kinds of theories about the goat dance some months back when we were discussing this topic but yours is the most plausible of all. This is fascinating and I am going to research this some more. Thanks again. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 19:43:59 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Castaway - Desert Island Discs Hi Mike. Australians tend to use the British terms for these things more. We say "jam" as well as "conserve" for fruit spreads and "jelly" is a generic term for the substance made out of gelatine. Americans tend to use brand names in place of generic terms and call, "jelly", "Jello" which is a brand of dessert jelly. Much the same way many British use the brand name, "Hoover" in place of the word, "vacuum". I hope this makes it a little clearer. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:33:26 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Hi Azeem, thanks for the reference! I'll go get the magazine today! I don't read many magazines but Word does seem to be good. The last issue I bought some months ago had a long interview with Tom Waits that sparked some of my interest in song writing and was just generally a good read. I'll read it tonight and give my account! Bene Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:15 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Hi folks, I've probably mentioned the Word before, easily the best UK music mag at the moment. Well, guess who's this month's cover star? That's right. A fairly meaty interview, focusing initially on the ballet, but also covering the forthcoming album and (sigh) Joni's tired old beefs about the music business and the critics. I've always devoured Joni features, and I have to say this one left a distinctly sour taste. It was composed almost entirely of a mixture of grievance and self-aggrandisment, and I really found it hard going for that reason. I won't say much more for now, though I'd be fascinated to know what anyone else makes of it. Martin? Chris? Stephen? Jacky? Jamie? On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong with her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Smoking, the Usual Suspect, was apparently not the main cause of the deterioration, although she concedes that it may have buggered up her sinuses, which won't have helped. Anyway, she admits what some of us thought about the last two records, that her singing really *was* underpowered, and insists that it's recovered well. Makes me all the more intrigued to hear the new record... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 04:13:31 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Azeem: On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong with her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Katheirne Thanks Azeem. I looked into buying a copy, but wow it is really expensive here in New Mexico. What I really want to know is what happened to her voice...and any other things you found interesting in the article you'd care to share. thanks On 3/7/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hi Azeem, > > thanks for the reference! I'll go get the magazine today! > > I don't read many magazines but Word does seem to be good. The last > issue I bought some months ago had a long interview with Tom Waits > that sparked some of my interest in song writing and was just > generally a good read. > > I'll read it tonight and give my account! > > Bene > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:15 +0000 > From: "Azeem Ali Khan" > Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine > > Hi folks, > > I've probably mentioned the Word before, easily the best UK music mag at > the > moment. Well, guess who's this month's cover star? That's right. A > fairly > meaty interview, focusing initially on the ballet, but also covering the > forthcoming album and (sigh) Joni's tired old beefs about the music > business > and the critics. I've always devoured Joni features, and I have to say > this > one left a distinctly sour taste. It was composed almost entirely of a > mixture of grievance and self-aggrandisment, and I really found it hard > going for that reason. I won't say much more for now, though I'd be > fascinated to know what anyone else makes of > it. Martin? Chris? Stephen? > Jacky? Jamie? > > On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong > with > her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Smoking, the > Usual Suspect, was apparently not the main cause of the deterioration, > although she concedes that it may have buggered up her sinuses, which > won't > have helped. Anyway, she admits what some of us thought about the last > two > records, that her singing really *was* underpowered, and insists that it's > recovered well. Makes me all the more intrigued to hear the new record... > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 04:30:11 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance Thanks for the advice Mark. When I read Catherine in Toronto's Ugly Betty comment in the Alice's Restaurant & Joni thread, I thought it pretty much described the situation on this tread, too. Everyone bases their 'reality' on their own individual perceptions. Katherine On 3/7/07, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > It's pretty clear to me too, Katherine. Thank you very much for that > fascinating insight to Carey and the cultures of that region. Thanks to > Victor too for the cultural lessons of Romania. > > My advice, Katherine; this guy will never let up. He will flood your in > box forever if you continue. You are obviously spot on in your analysis > but, Victor will never let up. He is just one of those people who will > always insist is right. > > There were all kinds of theories about the goat dance some months back > when we were discussing this topic but yours is the most plausible of > all. This is fascinating and I am going to research this some more. > > Thanks again. > > Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:50:11 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Once I get hold of it I'll scan it and see if it reads well. If it does I'll post it on YouTube. Bn On 3/7/07, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > > > Azeem: > On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong > with > her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. > > > Katheirne > Thanks Azeem. I looked into buying a copy, but wow it is really expensive > here in New Mexico. What I really want to know is what happened to her > voice...and any other things you found interesting in the article you'd care > to share. thanks > > > > > > > > > > On 3/7/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > Hi Azeem, > > > > thanks for the reference! I'll go get the magazine today! > > > > I don't read many magazines but Word does seem to be good. The last > > issue I bought some months ago had a long interview with Tom Waits > > that sparked some of my interest in song writing and was just > > generally a good read. > > > > I'll read it tonight and give my account! > > > > Bene > > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:15 +0000 > > From: "Azeem Ali Khan" > > Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine > > > > Hi folks, > > > > I've probably mentioned the Word before, easily the best UK music mag at > the > > moment. Well, guess who's this month's cover star? That's right. A > fairly > > meaty interview, focusing initially on the ballet, but also covering the > > forthcoming album and (sigh) Joni's tired old beefs about the music > business > > and the critics. I've always devoured Joni features, and I have to say > this > > one left a distinctly sour taste. It was composed almost entirely of a > > mixture of grievance and self-aggrandisment, and I really found it hard > > going for that reason. I won't say much more for now, though I'd be > > fascinated to know what anyone else makes of it. Martin? Chris? > Stephen? > > Jacky? Jamie? > > > > On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong > with > > her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Smoking, the > > Usual Suspect, was apparently not the main cause of the deterioration, > > although she concedes that it may have buggered up her sinuses, which > won't > > have helped. Anyway, she admits what some of us thought about the last > two > > records, that her singing really *was* underpowered, and insists that it's > > recovered well. Makes me all the more intrigued to hear the new record... > > > > Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:34:22 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance Whatever Mark. I've never flooded anyone's inbox and you shouldn't say things that aren't true. I'm not sure why you insist on holding some grudge against me but that's your problem and not mine. And lately I've totally agreed with things you've said, like the link around the world and having no idea about people which again is very pertinent here. Anyhow, it didn't even occur to me there was an issue about being right and wrong. I said I am not an expert on comparative religions and that they are most likely similar dances. But I have studied different cultures and their customs do, in many cases, overlap and influence each other. To me, all of this is about learning and not about trying to be more right than someone else. Apparently its really important to Katharine to be right though. Victor On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:39 AM, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > > My advice, Katherine; this guy will never let up. He will flood > your in box forever if you continue. You are obviously spot on in > your analysis but, Victor will never let up. He is just one of > those people who will always insist is right. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:35:06 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Haven't got word magazine in years I think. The bit about Joni talking about her voice in recent years does sound very interesting! >From: "Azeem Ali Khan" >Reply-To: "Azeem Ali Khan" >To: "Joni LIST" >Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:15 +0000 > >Hi folks, > >I've probably mentioned the Word before, easily the best UK music mag at >the >moment. Well, guess who's this month's cover star? That's right. A >fairly >meaty interview, focusing initially on the ballet, but also covering the >forthcoming album and (sigh) Joni's tired old beefs about the music >business >and the critics. I've always devoured Joni features, and I have to say >this >one left a distinctly sour taste. It was composed almost entirely of a >mixture of grievance and self-aggrandisment, and I really found it hard >going for that reason. I won't say much more for now, though I'd be >fascinated to know what anyone else makes of it. Martin? Chris? Stephen? >Jacky? Jamie? > >On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong >with >her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Smoking, the >Usual Suspect, was apparently not the main cause of the deterioration, >although she concedes that it may have buggered up her sinuses, which won't >have helped. Anyway, she admits what some of us thought about the last two >records, that her singing really *was* underpowered, and insists that it's >recovered well. Makes me all the more intrigued to hear the new record... > >Azeem in London _________________________________________________________________ Match.com - Click Here To Find Singles In Your Area Today! http://match.engb.msn.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:07:54 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Joni question Hi Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there. If I recall, someone from the UK (Pete Townshend, Mc Cartney?) didn't make it on time and they opted to fill the slot with Joni at the last minute. Does anybody have more details please? Also, is this where the encounter with Jackson Browne took place that led to the argument that was discussed recently on the list? I didn't quite get the jist of it, if someone can please summarize it? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:27:13 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni question Hi Laurent, according to her Bio information the problem was that she was essentially the warm-up for U2 and as such met with mucho hostility: At the Amnesty International Benefit "Conspiracy of Hope" held at Giants Stadium in New Jersey on June 15,1986, Joni was sandwiched in between Bryan Adams and U-2. The unruly crowd had been in the stadium for more than 6 hours when she went on. By then, they weren't very receptive to Joni's slow and plaintive song "The 3 Great Stimulants." At one point someone from the crowd tossed something onstage and it hit Joni's water glass causing the liquid to splash in front of her as the camera caught her blinking at the sudden trail of water. Before singing her next song, Joni chastised the crowd by saying "Save the bombs for later. I'm not that bad, you dig? Quit pitching shit up here!" Bob NP: Tom Waits, "2:19" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Also i like the fact that she didn't rehearse with the < borrowed > musicians. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:03:38 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni question Yeah, I didn't really mean it that way - I applaud Joni's chutzpah and fortitude to go on when she was clearly being ignored and abused. That bad vibe is evident in the *crowd's reception* of her performance - that bad vibe is what makes it awful, not what Joni was actually giving (or trying to give) to the crowd. It's pretty amazing actually how tolerant she had become by that point; I was just listening to a '76 show last week where she's singing Harry's House and has to stop because someone is taking her picture. 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In a way she throws shit at the public (I mean aggressive lyrics) so how can she expect anything else but getting shit thrown back at her? Don't get me wrong, that's why I love her. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:26:54 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Laurent asked: >Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, >I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there? From http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=171 "I went there just to see [then-husband Larry] Klein, I had no intention of playing. Then Pete Townshend cancelled and Bill Graham came up to me and said "Joni, can you play a couple songs? We've got a great spot for you - number three on the bill." I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always ends up in disaster. So I thought, "Oh no, this is exactly what I said not to get into!" "The first song was with acoustic guitar and the crowd completely drowned it out. On the second song I picked up the electric. I hit the first chord and it was like a power chord - it drowned everyone else out. If you watch the video you can see me looking back for the soundman to turn it down but by this time he was long gone, nowhere to be found. He didn't care." "The songs were perfect for the event - I picked them for that purpose. But of course, by that time no one was interested in the message. During "Number One" they started pitching shit up onto the stage - things were whizzing by my head. I thought, "Go ahead, stone me up here! It will be perfect to capture this on film - this is exactly what this song is about!" - ----------- The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it with a grain of salt. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:53:10 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Laurent asked: >Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, >I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there? From http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=171 "I went there just to see [then-husband Larry] Klein, I had no intention of playing. Then Pete Townshend cancelled and Bill Graham came up to me and said "Joni, can you play a couple songs? We've got a great spot for you - number three on the bill." I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always ends up in disaster. So I thought, "Oh no, this is exactly what I said not to get into!" "The first song was with acoustic guitar and the crowd completely drowned it out. On the second song I picked up the electric. I hit the first chord and it was like a power chord - it drowned everyone else out. If you watch the video you can see me looking back for the soundman to turn it down but by this time he was long gone, nowhere to be found. He didn't care." "The songs were perfect for the event - I picked them for that purpose. But of course, by that time no one was interested in the message. During "Number One" they started pitching shit up onto the stage - things were whizzing by my head. I thought, "Go ahead, stone me up here! It will be perfect to capture this on film - this is exactly what this song is about!" - ----------- The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it with a grain of salt. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:56:15 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Bob wrote re Conspiracy of Hope: >No I don't - that is a pretty forgettable performance >because it was so awful. I'm sure Joni has tried to >block it out of her mind as well. Joni's performance of "Number One" at this event is one of my all-time favorite performances of hers. So there. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:00:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Bob wrote re Conspiracy of Hope: >No I don't - that is a pretty forgettable performance >because it was so awful. I'm sure Joni has tried to >block it out of her mind as well. Joni's performance of "Number One" at this event is one of my all-time favorite performances of hers. So there. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:00:07 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Laurent asked: >Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, >I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there? From http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=171 "I went there just to see [then-husband Larry] Klein, I had no intention of playing. Then Pete Townshend cancelled and Bill Graham came up to me and said "Joni, can you play a couple songs? We've got a great spot for you - number three on the bill." I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always ends up in disaster. So I thought, "Oh no, this is exactly what I said not to get into!" "The first song was with acoustic guitar and the crowd completely drowned it out. On the second song I picked up the electric. I hit the first chord and it was like a power chord - it drowned everyone else out. If you watch the video you can see me looking back for the soundman to turn it down but by this time he was long gone, nowhere to be found. He didn't care." "The songs were perfect for the event - I picked them for that purpose. But of course, by that time no one was interested in the message. During "Number One" they started pitching shit up onto the stage - things were whizzing by my head. I thought, "Go ahead, stone me up here! It will be perfect to capture this on film - this is exactly what this song is about!" - ----------- The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it with a grain of salt. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:06:56 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Joni question Les: The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it with a grain of salt. KW: LOL ;-) I really enjoyed that so much. Although I must confess to being a Little Green with envy. Les/Joni "You know, I only sell about 300,000 records. It takes about 600,000 to break even. I make no money on records, only on song royalties." She seemed a little vulnerable for the first time this afternoon. "I think there are 600,000 people who would buy my record, don't you? For every one there has to be another somewhere in the world." KW This quote is amazing. I had no idea and am amazed how talent like her's isn't making more money. LES: I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always ends up in disaster. KW Even Joni makes that same dumb mistake that I find myself doing, forgetting to take my own advice. Sad how when she does it, it's so public. Dealing with it must be part of Taming the Tiger when your success is so public. Thanks so much for sharing that article link, I had missed reading it on the website. Katherine On 3/7/07, Les Irvin wrote: > > Laurent asked: > >Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, > >I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there? > > From http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=171 > > "I went there just to see [then-husband Larry] Klein, I had no intention > of > playing. Then Pete Townshend cancelled and Bill Graham came up to me and > said "Joni, can you play a couple songs? We've got a great spot for you - > number three on the bill." I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at > those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always > ends up in disaster. So I thought, "Oh no, this is exactly what I said not > to get into!" > > "The first song was with acoustic guitar and the crowd completely drowned > it > out. On the second song I picked up the electric. I hit the first chord > and > it was like a power chord - it drowned everyone else out. If you watch the > video you can see me looking back for the soundman to turn it down but by > this time he was long gone, nowhere to be found. He didn't care." > > "The songs were perfect for the event - I picked them for that purpose. > But > of course, by that time no one was interested in the message. During > "Number > One" they started pitching shit up onto the stage - things were whizzing > by > my head. I thought, "Go ahead, stone me up here! It will be perfect to > capture this on film - this is exactly what this song is about!" > > ----------- > > The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it > with a grain of salt. > > Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:52:12 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: RE: Joni question Laurent asked: >Listening to the Conspiracy of Hope 86 show yesterday, >I was wondering the circumstances that led to Joni playing there? From http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=171 "I went there just to see [then-husband Larry] Klein, I had no intention of playing. Then Pete Townshend cancelled and Bill Graham came up to me and said "Joni, can you play a couple songs? We've got a great spot for you - number three on the bill." I once told Peter Gabriel to never perform at those type of events without your own soundman and equipment - it always ends up in disaster. So I thought, "Oh no, this is exactly what I said not to get into!" "The first song was with acoustic guitar and the crowd completely drowned it out. On the second song I picked up the electric. I hit the first chord and it was like a power chord - it drowned everyone else out. If you watch the video you can see me looking back for the soundman to turn it down but by this time he was long gone, nowhere to be found. He didn't care." "The songs were perfect for the event - I picked them for that purpose. But of course, by that time no one was interested in the message. During "Number One" they started pitching shit up onto the stage - things were whizzing by my head. I thought, "Go ahead, stone me up here! It will be perfect to capture this on film - this is exactly what this song is about!" - ----------- The author this article, however, has always been a bit suspect so take it with a grain of salt. Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:49:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni question I watched it live via satellite, and didn't consider it a failed performance at all, just wished the buttheads would shut up. I was happy to get me some Joni, and far prefer these two songs to the studio versions. I thought the story was that a water balloon landed at her feet-? > Bob wrote re Conspiracy of Hope: > >>No I don't - that is a pretty forgettable performance > >>because it was so awful. I'm sure Joni has tried to > >>block it out of her mind as well. > > > > Joni's performance of "Number One" at this event is one of my all-time > favorite performances of hers. > > > > So there. > > > > Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:08:14 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni on Word There she is all over the front cover of The Word, looking a bit like on that painting on the Travelogue cover, but with a sparkling twinkle in her eye! The headlines read: I couldn't face any more stupidity JONI MITCHELL on the goons who've brought her back into battle The interview is interesting, but as you may have guessed from the headlines, at times the journalist is being too silly I think, at times she seems to get over the top in some sort of arrogance, but it's GOOD! Some of the things she has said in other interviews, it has to be said. But still.... I'll see if I can scan it tomorrow night! Bene (wondering if this seems such a nice day just because I got hold of this silly magazine...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:41:19 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni question - amnesty concert you know, it was the first time i can remember seeing joni live on tv. i wasn't even the hugest fan at the time, i owned and adored 'shadows and light', as well as 'blue' and 'court and spark', but joni wasn't on my i-must-own-everything list, and didn't get on that list until about '96. but i video'd the concert and watched her performance a lot. the bottle thrown on stage (which was during 'stimulants', not 'number one', contrary to the interview excerpt) was disturbing, but i thought she was very professional. 'stimulants' and 'number one' were aggressively political songs on a very aggressively political event; i don't think there was anything particularly chutzpahish (ok, i know it's not an adjectivizable word [and adjectivizable isn't even a word]) in playing those songs, though stimulants, just being so soft, was maybe not a showmanly choice. 'stimulants' baffled me, though it was beautiful (i didn't hear the album 'dog eat dog' until many years later). but i loved number one from the first time i heard it. she brought in a back up singer (from peter gabriel's band?) and they gave a great, energized performance. chalkmark was released not much later and i adored, and still adore that album. and i think the performance of 'hejira' is completely magnificent. at the end, when she normally sings 'until love sucks me back that way' she repeated the end first verse 'petty wars that shell shock love away' and she really spat out the line. i think that's the only thing she did to exorcise any bad feelings she had. if i remember, she gave a perfectly calm interview backstage after. i provided the source for the first jmdl video tree. i haven't watched the concert in years, but i remember two other things: that peter gabriel did 'san jacinto', which was just hauntingly beautiful, and that jackson browne and darryl hannah were interviewed and i have never seen two such baked people on tv, before or since. i get a contact buzz just thinking about it... patrick np - britten, serenade for tenor, horn and strings, robert tear, tenor - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Laurent Olszer Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 3:49 PM To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni question I applaud Joni's chutzpah and fortitude to go on when she was clearly being ignored and abused. . Bob By the same token we all know that she didn't play songs that would gain her wide acceptance and recognition, as always since DED. So I can't help thinking that her picks of Number One and the 3 Great Stimulants are very sarcastic/tongue in cheek towards the public and the millions of listeners. Definitely chutzpah to throw such powerful lyrics at a crowd of strangers! Forget Hejira, she only played it because it was in the same tuning. So it's not so much that she has become tolerant IMO. In a way she throws shit at the public (I mean aggressive lyrics) so how can she expect anything else but getting shit thrown back at her? Don't get me wrong, that's why I love her. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:47:52 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's guitars & equipment I was wondering if there was a list of all the guitars Joni has used and all the amps she has used? Or perhaps a website that would lead me the right way...or an interview with her discussing her setup. I've seen her with Martins as far as acoustic goes but what models has she used? And then when she has plugged in, what electric guitars does she use? I always need to know what equipment guitar players have! - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:53:28 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni's guitars & equipment (the following has not been checked for accuracy- correct as neccesary) I don't think all that info has been assembled in one place- it's scarcely discussed-but from memory a few things: Richard says Martin D-28's, and I have no reason to think otherwise. Before she went electric, she would have several of them onstage in different tunings. Before that, she would retune! I think I have seen her playing a Gibson acoustic (maybe?) in an old picture, and her first instrument was a Martin ukelele. And there are photos of her with a Strat-but her main electric in the Shadows & Light era was the hollowbody Ibanez George Benson model, again she had 3 or 4 (?). A couple of them had come up for sale a few years back, and someone on the list got one and brought it to Jonifest-forgive me for forgetting names, I wasn't there-but people got to play & admire it. Joni claims to have been given one of the first phase shifters, and says that Jaco immediately took it from her! Or maybe it was a Roland stereo amp with phase built in, in any case, I suppose she got another, and used it to thicken up her sound. After the Ibanez came the Parker Fly and the G-8 (right?) Roland system that allows virtual tuning- that is, hit a footswitch, change the tuning without ever touching the strings. This synth/modeling system is what you hear on Taming the Tiger, was introduced to her by Graham Nash, and again members of this list own this system and it's predecessor and have Jonifested with it. Joni went to the Parker Fly electric because it's a super lightweight model, under 5 lbs, and she was having back pain from the heavier guitars. A "Joni Gear" database would be nice. Besides guitars, there is the JoEllen dulcimer, Fender Rhodes piano on Woodstock, Farfisa, Fairlight keyboards, AYKTMBM... RR From: >I was wondering if there was a list of all the guitars Joni has used and >all > the amps she has used? Or perhaps a website that would lead me the right > way...or an interview with her discussing her setup. I've seen her with > Martins as far as acoustic goes but what models has she used? And then > when she > has plugged in, what electric guitars does she use? I always need to > know what > equipment guitar players have! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:18:42 -0800 From: Subject: Goat dance Hee! I recall a bit of a thread long ago where it was "established" that the goat dance was, ahem, doin the wild thing. Not any particular type of wild thing, just the thang. ;-) Maybe we were historically wrong? At any rate, I would love a trip someday to the Greek Isles to study more of the culture. And quit picking on Victor! Geesh! I can be very discriminating about people, but FGS, Victor gets a pass. He is a totally sweet soul and aint got no fleas on him. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:30:40 -0800 From: Subject: Joni's Voice I'm on digest so maybe the question has been answered but I would also love to know what was determined in the article. Azeem, please let us know if you haven't already. I have always had my take on why and it did not have to do with her smoking. It's somewhat trivial but I am interested in what was said. And Azeem, I know you have been here long enough to know I was always one of Joni's big defenders with regard to articles that may have portrayed her wrongly. Indeed, I used to be flamed as being a "sycophant" and worse when it came to defending her. However, I have come to think that she is becoming eccentric, to say the least. Maybe those who saw it a while back were right. That doesn't diminish my love and admiration for her, but she has been worrying me a bit lately. Just an observation and ultimately doesn't change my respect for her. I just worry a bit. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #73 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)