From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 7 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 072 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 80'es stuff & a Q for songwriters ["Martin Giles" ] RE:Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV [Cather] Re: Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV [Doug] Joni mention in the workplace ["Patti Parlette" ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] FW: Message from Website 2 ["Les Irvin" ] FW: Message from Website 3 ["Les Irvin" ] RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 [Warrenkeith91354@aol.com] [none] ["Patti Parlette" ] Alice's Restaurant & Joni ["Randy Remote" ] FW: Message from Website 4 ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Alice's Restaurant & Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Alice's Restaurant & Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance [Victor Johnson ] RE: Message from Website 3 ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 23:23:36 -0000 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: 80'es stuff & a Q for songwriters Hi Bene. I write songs with my lyricist 'Strings'. I can't write lyrics to save my life, but I write music. We both have notebooks on the go at all times. Mine's an audio scratchpad on the computer. Hers is of the traditional paper variety. If I get a melody in my head I'll sing it into the computer, or if I come across a musical phrase I like while messing on the guitar. Strings jots down stuff; phrases, fractions of verse etc. as they occur to her. We get together when we can to try and match up words to musical ideas. If we find a promising match, we start developing and extending. I quite often have ideas for melodies that never get used. Mainly this is because Strings writes fairly free verse with little regular rhythm or rhyme. Melodies tend to be much more rigidly structured. Most of the melodies that end up on our songs come when we get together with our notepads. A scrap of an idea will come together and we work out a melody from there. Martin. > (1) How do you write a song? > (2) Does the melody or the song come first, or do they sometimes come > at the same time? > > - -Since I'll probably not get to meet her: how would the rest of you > (those who write songs) answer this one? I'd be very interested to > know! > > Have a nice Sunday! > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:29:26 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Castaway - Desert Island Discs >>**"jelly" to you in the US - which does not scan as well as "jam") - I love the way he plays with "harvest" (grain), "bread", "jam" and then a brilliant image of throwing the bread to the birds.<< OMG - after years of my students confusing 'ham' and 'jam', and 'jam' and 'marmalade' (mermelada is jam in Catalan), I now discover that UK jam is jelly in the US. So what is UK jelly called? Nice to hear a jonilista mentioning MacAloon, seriously undervalued, I think. mike in bcn, wondering what he'll get for breakfast at jonifest. Np - the secret life of the love song - Nick Cave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE:Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > I caught the CSHOF show tonight on CBC. It was very > edited indeed. Not a > note about the French songs or the French singers > inducted. You'd think it > was an entirely anglo event, when in fact, it was > very bilingual. They even > cut out James Taylor's tribute to Joni in French. > Not at all happy about > that. I didn't get to see it or tape it. If i could get a copy, I'd happily reimburse you for costs or trade you something back. I can't make copies of DVDs, so wouldn't be able to pass it on. (Maybe when I get my next computer?) It pisses me off that they separated the English and French. Do you know if they're playing the French part on CBC French? I imagine they would and I suppose it could be found by checking the website. Talk about widening the gap between the two solitudes. Very sad, really, when music is probably the one thing that unites people. God forbid people should hear a little French now and then. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:10:43 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV Years ago, one of the Ottawa radio stations wanted to adopt a bilingual format. The French stations objected, the CRTC prevented it. The people of Ottawa didn't object, I thought it was a great idea. Though I don't understand much French, I listen to French radio for the great music. Singers like Laurence Jalbert and Marjo could blow any Chick Rocker out of the water. Catherine McKay wrote: > > It pisses me off that they separated the English and > French. Do you know if they're playing the French part > on CBC French? I imagine they would and I suppose it > could be found by checking the website. Talk about > widening the gap between the two solitudes. Very sad, > really, when music is probably the one thing that > unites people. God forbid people should hear a little > French now and then. > > > > Catherine > Toronto > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:34:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni mention in the workplace Bonjour Joniami(e)s! No great shakes here, but I was emailing a colleague across campus on official business when he wrote back this, out the BLUE: Patti, Did you see that wonderful PBS doc on Joni? It was superb, I thought. I fell in love all over again. R So of course I had to write back all kinds of Joni stuff and it was hard to stop. (TIC! How Do You Stop?) Okay, c'est tout. Back to work if I can get "Help Me" by Joni and "Falling in Love Again" by Marlene Dietrich out of my head! Peace, Patti P., in sub-zero Storrs (with the wind chill) (TIC! "Come in from the cold, come in, come in, come in from the cold....") Uh oh! Full-blown JMOCD again, from one little emai. "When I get this crazy feeling I know I'm in trouble again...." _________________________________________________________________ Win a Zunemake MSN. your homepage for your chance to win! http://homepage.msn.com/zune?icid=hmetagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:22:11 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Copy Donald on any replies. - -----Original Message----- Was it Joni who sang her 'Songs To Aging Children' in the soundtrack of Alice's Restaurant? I'm told it was Tegar Outlaw, wife of Geoff Outlaw, the guy who played Roger in the film. Thanks! Name: Donald Clarke email: doneth@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:31:02 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website 2 Anyone know? Copy Bruce on any responses. - -----Original Message----- I am writing to inquire whether the back cover photo, from the Miles of Aisles CD/Albumm was taken by Jonim at the Temple Ambler Music Festival auditorium. She performed there for two nights in August, 1974. The photo looks like that place. It is located outside of Phila. Pa. Name: Bruce Tuller email: brucetuller@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:34:29 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website 3 Copy Lucy on any responses... - -----Original Message----- Could you please tell me when Joni was in residence at the Hotel Chelsea in NY city? How long did she stay there for and which room did she stay in? Name: Lucy Beaumont email: lucy.beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:10:29 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 If you ask me tomorrow this list might be totally different; here are my picks today... For The Roses Hejira Turbulent Indigo FTR for it's sheer beauty, Hejira for taking me on the journey, and TI for it's simplicity and completeness. -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Motitan@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:18 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 > > Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl > album > poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni > album. > > Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those > ones > that > make them your favourite? > -Monika >


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:26:29 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: [none] Catherine wrote: "And in the last week or so, we've had several very weird snowstorms, with very fast, driving snow that covered the roads in no time." Ha! Meme chose ici. You could not see or a forest or a highway, never mind the black road double yellow line, and certainly not the fine white lines of the free free way as the road leads cursed and charmed with all those bolts of lace everywhere. But...... Listen! Strains of Joni Mitchell Coming through the snow and the pinewood trees.... So*that's* where the weather in this moody sky is coming from today. O Canada. "The wind is in from Canada...." No, it's Africa, of course. Sorry. Hey, that reminds me of something. A few months ago we were experiencing a very unusual warm spell. I think it was right after Christmas came on. One of our grad students had just returned from Morocco (his home, that he knew when he saw it again), and this he told me: "The weather is from Africa." I said: "WHAT did you say?" He repeated: "The weather is from Africa." Then I just had to laugh, and said: "Oh, I thought you said 'the WIND was in from Africa'....have you ever heard of Joni Mitchell?" Ha ha....he had not, but *now* he has! ; ) "This was accompanied by strong winds and, get this, thunder and lightning! (only a couple of bolts, but still...)" So you shook your fists, of course! And did a thunderhead of judgment gather in your gaze? Oh dears, I have it bad today. Just one email, that's all it took. Shooby doo bop, Patti P., with the wind howling outside my window, and it doesn't sound like applause, although the traffic is writing words and bars in her head romantic and snow blind here in suffragette JONI FLIP CITY! NP: Canada geese honking over Mirror Lake and flying, in a blue blue sky..... Don't worry 'bout me I'll get along Forget about me Just be happy my loves _________________________________________________________________ Play Flexicon: the crossword game that feeds your brain. PLAY now for FREE. http://zone.msn.com/en/flexicon/default.htm?icid=flexicon_hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:32:22 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Alice's Restaurant & Joni According to Arlo hisself: It's Tigger for sure... She and Geoff (who were married in those days) used to do gigs, and she used to do the song. Part of the problem is that there are some reputable sources (within United Artists) who have been getting it wrong for decades, crediting Joni for singing the song. I guess it doesn't hurt to advertise even if the info is wrong. from this forum: http://www.risingsonrecords.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=9d7616aefaa3b3dd6a9 e83724d0b2778&topic=386.msg2885 I have seen no evidence that Joni attended Woody Guthrie's funeral-he died in 1967, the song was released in 1969. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:46:43 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website 4 The age-old question... - -----Original Message----- Query for Joni: In your song California you describe a man that did the "Goat Dance" very well. A friend of mine and myself were listening to Blue and this song came on and we were intrigued to what the goat dance is. Name: Colby email: colbyd_2@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:19:14 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Alice's Restaurant & Joni I had a spirited off-list discussion about a month ago; apparently the subject came up on another discussion list and they contacted me through the Joni Undercover page. Some guy was insisting that all the information out there was false and that he was 100% certain that it was Joni, which I found hilarious because anyone who has HEARD the track can easily discern that it is not. Bob NP: Prince, "Sign O' The Times" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Some guy was insisting > that all the information > out there was false and that he was 100% certain > that it was Joni, which I > found hilarious because anyone who has HEARD the > track can easily discern > that it is not. > Does anyone watch "Ugly Betty"? When the ditzy blonde receptionist meets Betty's father, she says, "Hola" and pronounces the /h/. He tells her it's pronounced "Ola", but she insists she's right because it starts with an /h/. Some people just have to be right, even when they're wrong. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:13:36 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance From a website regarding Romanian culture : http://cimec.cilea.it/ With the Romanians, the goat was believed to be the animal that could show if the weather was to be fine or foul. Most certainly at first the "capra" dance (the kiling, the mourning, the burial, the resurection) was a solemn ceremony, a part of the cult. As part of the agrarian festivities the dance has become a ritual designed to bring fertility in the coming year, an increase in the number of animals in the shepherdsb flocks, bumper crops - invoked and evoked by the grains flung by the host over the procession of the bcapra". The "capra" dance, generalized all over the country by the end of the 19th century and considered a pagan dance, a lot of members of the clergy refused to receive the procession in their houses, considering it bforbidden by the Christian religion". (Gr.Tocilescu) Nowadays the dance is only a pretext for one of the traditional artistic events, an opportunity for displaying beautiful ornaments, carpets, towels, and so on, all in bright colours, at times rather loud, to cheer up the householders and to express best wishes on the occasion of the New Year. In the villages and townships of MaramureB: - two distint types of this dance are performed: the "capra" dance - based only on a musical accompaniament (at Ieud, only one piper; at Botiza, four or six pipers) the "capra" dance included in a complex folk show. The same as in the other dances with masks performed during the winter holidays, in the "capra" dance, besides the classical masks, the goat, the shepherd, the gipsy, the woodman masks of bdevils" and of bgreybeards" were introduced, where yells, lusty cheers, funny gestures, intensified the cheerful, humorous aspect, at times lending it a nuance of grotesque. > Query for Joni: > In your song California you describe a man that did the "Goat > Dance" very well. A friend of mine and myself were listening to > Blue and this song came on and we were intrigued to what the goat > dance is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:52:31 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance Gee Victor, maybe if Joni was in Romania that Capra dance might apply. But, Joni met a redneck on a grecian isle, you know the one who cooked good omelets and stew and kept her camera to sell. In Greece they celebrate Carnival (mardi gras) and some places still include the Goat Dance during the Carnival celebration. The most noted Goat Dance is on the island of Skyros. If any of you go, beware the red, red rouge. Katherine On 3/6/07, Victor Johnson wrote: > > From a website regarding Romanian culture : http://cimec.cilea.it/ > > > > With the Romanians, the goat was believed to be the animal that could > show if the weather was to be fine or foul. Most certainly at first > the "capra" dance (the kiling, the mourning, the burial, the > resurection) was a solemn ceremony, a part of the cult. As part of > the agrarian festivities the dance has become a ritual designed to > bring fertility in the coming year, an increase in the number of > animals in the shepherdsb flocks, bumper crops - invoked and evoked > by the grains flung by the host over the procession of the bcapra". > > > > The "capra" dance, generalized all over the country by the end of the > 19th century and considered a pagan dance, a lot of members of the > clergy refused to receive the procession in their houses, considering > it bforbidden by the Christian religion". (Gr.Tocilescu) Nowadays > the dance is only a pretext for one of the traditional artistic > events, an opportunity for displaying beautiful ornaments, carpets, > towels, and so on, all in bright colours, at times rather loud, to > cheer up the householders and to express best wishes on the occasion > of the New Year. In the villages and townships of MaramureB: - two > distint types of this dance are performed: > > the "capra" dance - based only on a musical accompaniament (at Ieud, > only one piper; at Botiza, four or six pipers) > the "capra" dance included in a complex folk show. > The same as in the other dances with masks performed during the > winter holidays, in the "capra" dance, besides the classical masks, > the goat, the shepherd, the gipsy, the woodman masks of bdevils" and > of bgreybeards" were introduced, where yells, lusty cheers, funny > gestures, intensified the cheerful, humorous aspect, at times lending > it a nuance of grotesque. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Query for Joni: > > In your song California you describe a man that did the "Goat > > Dance" very well. A friend of mine and myself were listening to > > Blue and this song came on and we were intrigued to what the goat > > dance is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:15 +0000 From: "Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Hi folks, I've probably mentioned the Word before, easily the best UK music mag at the moment. Well, guess who's this month's cover star? That's right. A fairly meaty interview, focusing initially on the ballet, but also covering the forthcoming album and (sigh) Joni's tired old beefs about the music business and the critics. I've always devoured Joni features, and I have to say this one left a distinctly sour taste. It was composed almost entirely of a mixture of grievance and self-aggrandisment, and I really found it hard going for that reason. I won't say much more for now, though I'd be fascinated to know what anyone else makes of it. Martin? Chris? Stephen? Jacky? Jamie? On a more positive note, there is a detailed account of what went wrong with her voice, and how some of the problems have been remedied. Smoking, the Usual Suspect, was apparently not the main cause of the deterioration, although she concedes that it may have buggered up her sinuses, which won't have helped. Anyway, she admits what some of us thought about the last two records, that her singing really *was* underpowered, and insists that it's recovered well. Makes me all the more intrigued to hear the new record... Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:58:27 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance For all we know, maybe she was in Romania and just said Greece for the sake of the song. In any case, it clearly has ancient origins in both countries (separated only by Bulgaria) and since I haven't studied comparative religion, I can't make any definitive statements about it, though I imagine they are very similar. I've never been to Skyros or Carnival but I was on the mystical island of Janitzio for the Day of the Dead in Mexico, one of the most noted celebration sites, along with Mixquic, an ancient Aztec town. Victor On Mar 6, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > Gee Victor, maybe if Joni was in Romania that Capra dance might > apply. But, Joni met a redneck on a grecian isle, you know the one > who cooked good omelets and stew and kept her camera to sell. > > In Greece they celebrate Carnival (mardi gras) and some places > still include the Goat Dance during the Carnival celebration. The > most noted Goat Dance is on the island of Skyros. If any of you go, > beware the red, red rouge. > Katherine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:12:39 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni interview and cover of Word magazine Thanks for the heads up on this one Azeem... Joni on cover _http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/_ (http://www.wordmagazine.co.uk/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:39:49 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance Victor I can't make any definitive statements about it, though I imagine they are very similar. KW Nope. Capra Dance is a pagan Winter celebration related to blessings, plenty, etc of the coming year. The Goat Dance is, like I mentioned before, part of the Carnival (Mardi Gras) celebration which is before lent and Easter and is a Spring celebration. Victor For all we know, maybe she was in Romania and just said Greece for the sake of the song. KW When California was written, Romania was still a communist country under the harsh rule of Ceau:escu. Even on a Canadian passport I don't think she could enter Romania ...more to the point, it was a very oppressed country back then, why she would even want to? Until the overthrow in '89 they didn't they let westerners in as far as I know. Joni said she was on a Grecian Isle and mentions the Goat Dance. There is a Grecian Island, Skyros, that is famous for the Goat Dance. Pretty clear to me. On 3/6/07, Victor Johnson wrote: > > For all we know, maybe she was in Romania and just said Greece for > the sake of the song. In any case, it clearly has ancient origins in > both countries (separated only by Bulgaria) and since I haven't > studied comparative religion, I can't make any definitive statements > about it, though I imagine they are very similar. > > I've never been to Skyros or Carnival but I was on the mystical > island of Janitzio for the Day of the Dead in Mexico, one of the most > noted celebration sites, along with Mixquic, an ancient Aztec town. > > Victor > > > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > > > Gee Victor, maybe if Joni was in Romania that Capra dance might > > apply. But, Joni met a redneck on a grecian isle, you know the one > > who cooked good omelets and stew and kept her camera to sell. > > > > In Greece they celebrate Carnival (mardi gras) and some places > > still include the Goat Dance during the Carnival celebration. The > > most noted Goat Dance is on the island of Skyros. If any of you go, > > beware the red, red rouge. > > Katherine > > > > > > - -- Love and Light, Katherine www.drkatherine.info www.mcs.drkatherine.info "In every culture and in every medical tradition before ours, healing was accomplished by moving energy." Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:19:49 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Goat Dance, also known as Capra Dance Yes, I can read and I also know the difference between Winter and Spring. My point was they are both traditional dances involving the persona of a goat so they are not so alien from each other. And its not as if she goes into great detail in the song. Either one works for me. Victor On Mar 6, 2007, at 7:39 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > Victor > I can't make any definitive statements > about it, though I imagine they are very similar. > KW > Nope. Capra Dance is a pagan Winter celebration related to blessings, > plenty, etc of the coming year. > The Goat Dance is, like I mentioned before, part of the Carnival > (Mardi > Gras) celebration which is before lent and Easter and is a Spring > celebration. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:02:52 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Alice's Restaurant & Joni I absolutely LOVE Ugly Betty. Catherine wrote: Does anyone watch "Ugly Betty"? When the ditzy blonde receptionist meets Betty's father, she says, "Hola" and pronounces the /h/. He tells her it's pronounced "Ola", but she insists she's right because it starts with an /h/. Some people just have to be right, even when they're wrong. Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:04:14 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Message from Website 3 Lucy got her response days ago! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:34 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: FW: Message from Website 3 Copy Lucy on any responses... - -----Original Message----- Could you please tell me when Joni was in residence at the Hotel Chelsea in NY city? How long did she stay there for and which room did she stay in? Name: Lucy Beaumont email: lucy.beaumont@sunday-times.co.uk ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #72 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)