From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #71 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, March 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 071 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni and "harmonic rules" [Dave Blackburn ] e-ribbon around the planet ["Music Is Special" ] RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Castaway - Desert Island Discs [AMARY559@aol.com] RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 ["Stephen Toogood" ] RE:Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV ["Michae] Re: Topper/poppermost [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV [Doug ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:21:04 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Joni and "harmonic rules" I think it is plain ignorance to claim that Joni uses unnameable chords and breaks harmonic "rules". The harmonic rules of post-jazz music are not the harmonic rules of the 18th century. A lot of music of the last 50 years uses harmonic movement that would have been alien to Bach and his contemporaries, the era when the original rules were drawn up, and Joni is no exception, if that is any grand claim at all. Of course, she did indeed break the very constricting "rules" of " 60's folk-singer guitar playing" and paved the way for others to do the same. Mostly she employs unresolved suspensions and a few clusters that the alt tunings provide but that is hardly ground breaking, merely surprising for a self taught musician to seek out. As for chord naming, the majority of Joni's chords are very straightforward and nameable (whether they require an alternate guitar tuning or not). The ONLY exception I can think of is the middle portion of Paprika Plains where the chords are indeed pretty hard to name. Just my 2c on this thread. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:54:26 -0600 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: e-ribbon around the planet Given some of the views expressed on this list, I thought this might be of interest to you and your friends. This is legit -- a friend from Stanford is doing this project: We're all frustrated by the idea that as the health of the planet spirals downward, we have to sit and wait to see if business and government will do anything about it. And will they will do enough and fast enough? Well, what if we didn't have to wait? And further what if we believe this: individuals matter. Since the problem afflicts us all-and all of our children-the conclusion is obvious. Let's lead this one ourselves. So here's our idea: Use the power of the internet to reach out to individuals in every country and to rally them around the idea of embracing the changes needed to heal the planet. Together let's build a ribbon on the internet that's long enough to wrap around the entire earth-a gesture that's big enough, and crazy enough, that there's a chance it just might work. We each create a panel 6" (15 cm.) square made of a photo or drawing of what we love most about this planet, a statement of why we love it, and at least one thing we can to do to help the planet's health. You can do it in as little as three minutes and it's fun and easy. Our manifesto: Individuals, waiting for no one's else's leadership, standing up for what they believe, can change the world. Hence it's called PlanetFesto. Author Wendall Berry said "What we do not love, we will not save." Why participate? Well, we'll literally never make it without you. With each panel 6"/15cm, it will take 262, 965,120 of us. A totally insane number (but that's what we like about it.) How you join. http://www.planetfesto.org Please help us start in a big way on Valentine's Day and tell your friends about it too. It takes less than three minutes to make and post a panel. We have photos you can use if you haven't got one. Everyone participating on Day One will have a permanent #1 on the corner of their piece of the ribbon. To show you were among those who started it. Our promises: We will never ask you for money, share your name with other groups, try to sell you anything. This is a grassroots movement with no other agenda than to improve the quality of our life on Earth. But we do ask you for one more thing: your help in getting others involved. Everywhere. Soccer teams, bike clubs, places of worship, businesses, schools, blogs, MySpace postings. Anybody who wants to stand up and say they love this planet and want it to thrive. Who we are: We are just two people, and some friends, in the Western U.S. who think we have an idea. We're convinced about that enough that we've spent the last 10 months putting it together. But without your help, it'll turn out we really don't have an idea at all. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:17:31 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl album poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni album. Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those ones that make them your favourite? - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:37:21 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 Hejira and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter because I find the music on both of these especially magical. Especially like Jaco's bass but more than that, I like the overall texture that is achieved and the variety of moods and textures, the way Joni's voice sounds, the variety of dynamics and timbres...my third favorite would be the first I suppose, STAS as it has a mystical quality of its own and was the first album I discovered. Victor NP: Ray Brown Trio Down By the Riverside , and my piano being tuned in the other room! On Mar 5, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the > jmdl album > poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite > Joni album. > Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about > those ones that > make them your favourite? > -Monika >


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AOL now > offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 I can't narrow it down to 3, but I can narrow it down to 4. STAS, LOTC, FTR and C&S. Em - --- Motitan@aol.com wrote: > Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl > album > poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni > album. > Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those > ones that > make them your favourite? > -Monika >


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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:25:55 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 For the Roses Hejira Blue These are the albums I consistently replay. Though I've been listening to HOSL lately since it's been under discussion. My reasons are personal as well as musical. Blue came out when I was 16, and "River" in particular spoke to my troubled self then. I taught myself to play it on the piano shortly after hearing it, but I could barely get through it dry-eyed. My first love broke up with me the first time we listened to For the Roses (I was 17) and strangely enough the album consoled me after that for a long time. Hejira came out when I was 21--a senior in college--and its restlessness appealed to me as I was contemplating settling down. Less personal--I think each album was musically and lyrically adventurous but also transitional in her career. Nothing on LOTC prepared one for the intensity and raw energy of Blue, the slightly more elaborate instrumentation of FTR, along with its being less directly confessional than Blue, but still dark in its vision, preceded but is preferable to Court and Spark. I still don't much care for that album as a whole; though there are striking songs on it, there are songs I couldn't and still can't stand on it, namely "Help Me" and "Raised on Robbery" and "Twisted" bugged me too. Hejira seemed a real change from the C&S-HOSL-Miles of Aisles period, which really wasn't my favorite (with HOSL being the truly great lp among the three) and of course Hejira had great musicians--a wonderful antidote to the annoying pop-jazz stylings of Tom Scott & Co. But again personally Hejira was the kind of album I'd listen to in the dark on headphones letting the music wash over me. So I'd say my reasons are mainly soundtrack of my life kinds of reasons. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Motitan@aol.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl album poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni album. Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those ones that make them your favourite? - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:40:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 oh sh_t! I forgot BLUE!!!!!!! Can narrow it down to only 5. Em - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > For the Roses > Hejira > Blue > > These are the albums I consistently replay. Though I've been > listening to > HOSL lately since it's been under discussion. > > My reasons are personal as well as musical. Blue came out when I was > 16, > and "River" in particular spoke to my troubled self then. I taught > myself > to play it on the piano shortly after hearing it, but I could barely > get > through it dry-eyed. My first love broke up with me the first time > we > listened to For the Roses (I was 17) and strangely enough the album > consoled > me after that for a long time. Hejira came out when I was 21--a > senior in > college--and its restlessness appealed to me as I was contemplating > settling > down. > > Less personal--I think each album was musically and lyrically > adventurous > but also transitional in her career. Nothing on LOTC prepared one for > the > intensity and raw energy of Blue, the slightly more elaborate > instrumentation of FTR, along with its being less directly > confessional than > Blue, but still dark in its vision, preceded but is preferable to > Court and > Spark. I still don't much care for that album as a whole; though > there are > striking songs on it, there are songs I couldn't and still can't > stand on > it, namely "Help Me" and "Raised on Robbery" and "Twisted" bugged me > too. > Hejira seemed a real change from the C&S-HOSL-Miles of Aisles period, > which > really wasn't my favorite (with HOSL being the truly great lp among > the > three) and of course Hejira had great musicians--a wonderful antidote > to the > annoying pop-jazz stylings of Tom Scott & Co. > > But again personally Hejira was the kind of album I'd listen to in > the dark > on headphones letting the music wash over me. So I'd say my reasons > are > mainly soundtrack of my life kinds of reasons. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Motitan@aol.com > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:18 PM > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 > > Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl > album > poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni > album. > > Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those > ones > that > make them your favourite? > -Monika >


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AOL now offers > free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:08:51 EST From: AMARY559@aol.com Subject: Re: Castaway - Desert Island Discs Late entry - the bottle got stuck in the Doldrums * HOSL - Joni (simply sublime) * Unforgettable Fire - U2 (for Bad, Pride, Wire, etc) * The Lion & The Cobra - Sinead O'Connror (for "Troy" a vivid, emotive protrayal of a woman "cast iron & frail") * Steve McQueen - Prefab Sprout (quirky but intelligent lyrics - a bit like the Beautiful South only a bit heavier. Paddy McAloon does have a way with words: "They were the best days, the harvest years With jam** to lace the bread Oh, Oh, Oh, Goodness knows why I threw it to the birds" (**"jelly" to you in the US - which does not scan as well as "jam") - I love the way he plays with "harvest" (grain), "bread", "jam" and then a brilliant image of throwing the bread to the birds. * Cold cuts - Show of Hands: a dynamic duo of Phil Beer a virtuouso violinist and guitarist and Steve Knightley, a wonderful vocalist, who along with good cover versions of other artists is a vivid and witty observer of people, especially his native Cornishmen. Note: Of all the things on my hate-list, number one is lists - hence I have not numbered them! Looking at the list I can see my Irish/Celtic roots are in evidence in every selection, even Joni - I think it is the storytelling. Of course, man does not live on Rock, Folk, Pop alone. Top of my playlist at the moment is someone who (and I never thought I would say this) matches Joni in lyrics, poetry, intelligence and musicianship,namely, Richard Wagner. I just cannot get enough of "Tristan und Isolde" - all 3.5 hours of it. Like Joni he makes full use of language, including the spaces, breathes, pauses, like the way he turns: "Nicht hornershall tont so hold die Quelle sanft riseinde Welle rauscht so wonnig daher" into something truly beautiful is astonishing, in the same way Joni breathes new meaning and pathos into common phrases, "the walking green" (Real Good For Free) and "georgeous" (Richard - Blue). Similarly I could not live with Maria Callas (say, Madama Butterfly) or Jussi Bjorling (e.g., Turandot - move over Pavarotti and make way for the king!). All the best Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:58:44 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 STAS HOSL MOI STAS - musically so interesting and haunting. The storytelling is first class and the originality and individuality is bettered by no other album I've heard. Also the only album I will put on when going to sleep from time to time - not I might add because it bores me into a comma but because it's so peaceful and full of imagination. These songs really evoke. HOSL - what can I say another one off! Joni's voice and lyrics dance together with the music in an inseparable rhythm. No one else but Joni could have made this album, though of course I'm stating the obvious. MOI - still the best live album I've heard. Joni had really mastered performing live by this stage and it shows. There is a real sense that she enjoys playing these songs too. The jazzy touches really change the originals, but still keep the intimacy. Steve >From: Motitan@aol.com >Reply-To: Motitan@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Toppermost of the poppermost, top 3 >Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:17:31 EST > >Well I noticed from the deserted island question (and from the jmdl album >poll site) that Hejira seems to be a lot of peoples' favourite Joni album. >Well, what are your top 3 favorite albums by Joni? What about those ones >that >make them your favourite? >-Monika >


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AOL now offers free >email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at >http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Exclusive Ed Byrne daily comedy clips on MSN Video http://specials.uk.msn.com/edbyrne/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:12:36 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV Help Me sounded much better this time around. Must have been a little studio magic and/or vocal re-recording. I was recording off the antenna, so there's a few specklies on the screen, not too bad, sound is perfect. Brian, send me your address offlist, I'll have a dvd ready in a day or two. Doug I'll be recording this tomorrow night. and you reminded me, I want to pick up that new Patty Griffin CD Doug Brian Gross wrote: > Just a reminder that the CBC-TV broadcast (highly edited to fit a 1 hour slot) > is scheduled for this coming Monday evening at 8PM. > > Do we have any Canadians set up to record it (on dvd maybe)? > > I'm set up to copy and burn dvd+R's here in south jersey usa. > All I need is a non-protected dvd or a vhs tape to copy. > > Have a good weekend everyone, and Happy Purim, > Brian > > np: Patty Griffin, Children running through > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. > And usually for the same reasons. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Finding fabulous fares is fun. > Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Topper/poppermost Hejira Blue For the Roses I can never do 'best movie ever' or favorite song polls, but that was easy. XO, - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:22:05 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: RE:Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV I caught the CSHOF show tonight on CBC. It was very edited indeed. Not a note about the French songs or the French singers inducted. You'd think it was an entirely anglo event, when in fact, it was very bilingual. They even cut out James Taylor's tribute to Joni in French. Not at all happy about that. They also replaced the Chaka segment where she performed Help Me. Those naughty folks rerecorded the entire song for TV, using a band, back up vocals and even Herbie Hancock at the piano. They replaced Chaka by Ms Divine Brown, who does a fine job. Looks like there was a general concensus (and conspiracy) about Chakas' less than stellar performance ! The sh*t's gonna hit the fan ! When all is done, the Joni moments are few and brief, but sweet. Hancock's short speech is very moving, and Joni was close to tears when he highlighted her work on Mingus. Brian, I have one copy of it on DVD, in case you don't get any other offers. Cheers, Michael in Quebec Brian wrote, Just a reminder that the CBC-TV broadcast (highly edited to fit a 1 hour slot) is scheduled for this coming Monday evening at 8PM. Do we have any Canadians set up to record it (on dvd maybe)? I'm set up to copy and burn dvd+R's here in south jersey usa. All I need is a non-protected dvd or a vhs tape to copy. Have a good weekend everyone, and Happy Purim, Brian np: Patty Griffin, Children running through _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:01:07 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Topper/poppermost Hejira HOSL DJRD The jazz-influenced moods, the direct yet open lyrics, the musicians, her voice ... everything. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:48:18 -0500 From: Doug Subject: Re: Joni's Canadian Songwriters HOF induction broadcast on CBC-TV Hi Michael Your copy might be best. I was recording off air and the weather is bad tonight - incredibly windy and cold. Wind chill of -36C, damn Global Warming!!;) You're right, I forgot Help Me was sung by Chaka. They had to do something about it. It sounded real bad. Doug Michael O'Malley wrote: > I caught the CSHOF show tonight on CBC. It was very edited indeed. Not > a note about the French songs or the French singers inducted. You'd > think it was an entirely anglo event, when in fact, it was very > bilingual. They even cut out James Taylor's tribute to Joni in French. > Not at all happy about that. > > They also replaced the Chaka segment where she performed Help Me. > Those naughty folks rerecorded the entire song for TV, using a band, > back up vocals and even Herbie Hancock at the piano. They replaced > Chaka by Ms Divine Brown, who does a fine job. Looks like there was a > general concensus (and conspiracy) about Chakas' less than stellar > performance ! The sh*t's gonna hit the fan ! > > When all is done, the Joni moments are few and brief, but sweet. > Hancock's short speech is very moving, and Joni was close to tears > when he highlighted her work on Mingus. > Brian, I have one copy of it on DVD, in case you don't get any other > offers. > > Cheers, > > Michael in Quebec > > > > > Brian wrote, > > Just a reminder that the CBC-TV broadcast (highly edited to fit a 1 > hour slot) > is scheduled for this coming Monday evening at 8PM. > > Do we have any Canadians set up to record it (on dvd maybe)? > > I'm set up to copy and burn dvd+R's here in south jersey usa. > All I need is a non-protected dvd or a vhs tape to copy. > > Have a good weekend everyone, and Happy Purim, > Brian > > np: Patty Griffin, Children running through > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows > Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #71 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)