From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #63 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 063 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- come in from the cold ["vincenzo mancini" ] Re: Portland Ukulele Association [Catherine McKay ] Re: Another 'fake' signed album on ebay [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Portland Ukelele Association [LCStanley7@aol.com] Jonifest Attendees [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] Re: More downloadable Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: come in from the cold ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Youtube ["Ruth Davis" ] Influences ["Ruth Davis" ] Re: Youtube [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Youtube ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Youtube [Catherine McKay ] Re: Influences ["Randy Remote" ] Thoughts on THOSL [Motitan@aol.com] rickie lee et joni ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: rickie lee et joni [Victor Johnson ] More on 'Miles of Aisles' [Wtking59@cs.com] HOSL & Hejira and Blue critics [] Re: rickie lee et joni [kjhsf@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:09:51 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: come in from the cold Katherine, I have an original European VHS of that I would give to you. You only have to ascertain that your player is compatible and can read the tape. Alternatively, I would give it to anybody who is able to copy it and make it available to at least you and to another jmdler. Let me know. Vincenzo Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:09:42 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: come in from the cold Does anyone know where I can buy another copy of 'Come In From The Cold' ? It was pretty old (I got it in the late 90's) and I should have made a copy of it before it was destroyed by my VCR. Now I can't find another one anywhere. I've checked with local shops and the Internet, including eBay. The catalog number was GEFV 39512. If you know of any place that might have it, I would appreciate it. Katheirne - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Portland Ukulele Association - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > On Feb 25, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > > > I'm supposing you mean "saddest" song, Brian. > > Marcie would be a sad song, "Dancing Clown" would > be a "Sadist" song. > > > > Couldn't it be argued that Marcie was torturing > herself and therefore > it would be a Sadist song? > That would make it a masochist song. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:04:25 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Another 'fake' signed album on ebay Victor wrote: > And then the signature itself is very odd. The "Joni" part > looks much more like Join as the "i" is clearly dotted way before the > "n". This time, in "Mitchell", the "e" was left out. > I looked at it... made me laugh!! I have a 'real' signed album in a shadow box here on my wall I compared it to. Joni's signature is so much more flowing on my album. Won it at the fest in 2004. It has authenticity papers with it. Love, Laura http://cgi.ebay.com/JONI-MITCHELL-SIGNED-Dog-Eat-Dog-PROMO-ONLY- ALBUM_W0QQitemZ120088813665QQihZ002QQcategoryZ306QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:14:16 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Portland Ukelele Association Bob wrote: > and > won a prize for Sadist song.> > > I'm supposing you mean "saddest" song, Brian. > Marcie would be a sad song, "Dancing Clown" would be a "Sadist" song. > > LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL Ya'll are clearing my lungs this morning! Marcie in a coat of flowers with thornes, stops inside a laxative candy store, reds are bloody and greens are from going so much... Love, Laura ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 08:48:40 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Attendees Here is an updated list of who is joining us for Jonifest. If your name doesn't appear here, WHY NOT?? There is still room, and you don't want to miss this great chance to hang with your fellow JMDLers!! Sign up NOW! Hugs, Ashara Kay Ashley (kay@kayashley.com) - Brooklyn, NY Ken Bausert (PassScribe@aol.com) - East Meadow, New York Donna Binkley (djb@binkleybarfield.com) - Houston, TX Monika Bogdanowicz (Motitan@aol.com) - Strongsville, OH cynthia burack (burack.1@osu.edu) - washington, dc Sue Cameron (scam1@freeway.net) - Clarkston, MI Nickey Catone (sadisticslayer@aol.com) - Elyria, OH Angela Gold (MoVFTYite@aol.com) - Denver, CO Jennifer Goodspeed (jrgoodspeed@yahoo.com) - Ashfield, MA Susan Guzzi (groovchacha@yahoo.com) - Plantsville, CT Jill Haas (Jillah@msn.com) - Seattle, WA Les Irvin (lesirvin@gmail.com) - Colorado Springs, CO Craig Jenkins (cactustreemotel@hotmail.com) - Round Rock, Texas Joanne Johnson (johnsonjs100@comcast.net) - Portsmouth, NH Gerald Kent (gpkm6208@comcast.net) - Bensalem, PA patrick leader (pleader@nyc.rr.com) - new york, ny Kira Lesley (Snapple1984@aol.com) - Portland, OR Barbara Little (balittle@ptd.net) - Tafton, PA Adriano Lucatello (lucatell@ictp.it) - Trieste, Jeff Mann (hintonheathcliff@yahoo.com) - Pulaski, Virginia Chris Marshall (chris@hatstand.org) - Cambridge, Cambridgeshire Laree Martin (laree@stanfordalumni.org) - Washington, DC Catherine McKay (anima_rising@yahoo.ca) - Toronto, ON John Moore (jmoore2278@charter.net) - Chincoteague, VA Bob Muller (scjoniguy@yahoo.com) - Greenville, SC Robert Murphy (smurfadelica@yahoo.com) - Charlestown, MA Mike Pritchard (ink08@hotmail.com) - Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain Marianne Rizzo (Treegreen1@hotmail.com) - W. Rush, NY Les Ross (holdall_birdcall@hotmail.com) - London, Bob Sartorius (Bobsart48@aol.com) - Lake Hiawatha, NJ Steve Shanahan (s.r.shanahan@att.net) - San Lorenzo, CA Laura Stanley (LCStanley7@aol.com) - North Little Rock, AR Ashara Stansfield (AsharaJM@aol.com) - Topsfield, MA Mike Walsh (mikiewalsh@comcast.net) - Harrisburg, PA sara wistie (alwaysproud69@yahoo.com) - waterford, wi


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 09:00:27 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: More downloadable Joni For which you must have an account to access. And you can't get an account if you don't already have one because they are already at their maximum. Jerry > This itself was sourced from the vinyl boot _Lennie and Dom_ songs, which > contained the studio versions of both "Hunter" and "Urge for Going" > Doinker, the fellow who uploaded it to DIME, removed "Urge for Going" > because it is has been officially released and DIME does not allow > officially released material: > > http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=124513 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob > Muller > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:41 AM > To: JMDL > Subject: More downloadable Joni > > http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARjmmissi.html > > Most of us have > this one but maybe some do not. It's got the complete version of "Get > Together" on it, and for some reason they threw in the studio version of > "Hunter" (which doesn't belong). > > This concert/recording was previously > bootlegged as "Lennie & Dom Songs". > > Bob > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _ > _______ > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try > it now. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 07:22:55 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: come in from the cold Hi Vincenzo, Thank you for your offer, that's so kind of you. Bruce found it online and I bought it, but according to him, Geffen videos were generally encoded with MacroVision and the copies look bad. If you or anyone else knows how to make back-up copies I'd really like to know. Vincenzo, that link to Cindy L was amazing! Thanks, Katherine On 2/26/07, vincenzo mancini wrote: > > Katherine, > > I have an original European VHS of that I would give to you. You only > have to ascertain that your player is compatible and can read the tape. > Alternatively, I would give it to anybody who is able to copy it and make it > available to at least you and to another jmdler. > > Let me know. > > Vincenzo > > > Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 14:09:42 -0700 > From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" > > > Subject: come in from the cold > > Does anyone know where I can buy another copy of 'Come In From The Cold' ? > It was pretty old (I got it in the late 90's) and I should have made a > copy > of it before it was destroyed by my VCR. Now I can't find another one > anywhere. I've checked with local shops and the Internet, including eBay. > The catalog number was GEFV 39512. If you know of any place that might > have > it, I would appreciate it. > Katheirne > > ------------------------------ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN MessengerDownload today it's FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:26:38 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Youtube Hello. I came across this Youtube clip of a guy demonstrating how to play ACOY on guitar. He makes it look so easy, and it appears he is using standard guitar tuning: http://youtube.com/watch?v=wfUHYzDxTkk I wish he would do a whole series of these. There is also a young man from Italy, I guess, named Vaniglio, who sings beautiful versions of several joni songs. His guitar playing sounds like a fairly accurate reproduction of Joni's. I wish he would do a youtube tutorial, as well. Here he is doing Coyote: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YQi2brcpJ24 Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:53:48 GMT From: "Ruth Davis" Subject: Influences I am really getting hooked on this youtube thingy! Here is a clip of musicians naming off their influences - of course Joni Mitchell is in there. Can someone identify what Yoko says? It sounds like she says Ornette Coleman and Bingo! Who is Bingo? And who would have imagined Gustav Mahler being so influential on hiphop/rhythm&blues? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHAjdrin-k&NR Much as I love Joni's music and her perspective on the world, I think sometimes she should take a wee bit of a look around to see what other people are singing and doing. She said no one was talking about the things she did in DED at that time. But what about Bruce Cockburn - he recorded If I Had a Rocket Launcher at around that time period - it's about strife in Chiappas, Mexico. Or take a look at this video Marianne Faithfull did in 1979 - certainly her theme is a friend of spirit to DED - the bass line in the music even sounds a bit like Good Friends are We (and it predated DED by 6 years): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzHAjdrin-k&NR Basta. Ruth ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 13:24:39 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Youtube Hiya Ruth! He's named Danilo, actually - and he's a member of the JMDL. If you have time, check out all of his videos - his covers are all exquisite. Bob NP: Ani, "Cradle & All" (live 1995) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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He makes it look so easy, and it appears he is > using standard > guitar tuning: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=wfUHYzDxTkk Since Joni played the dulcimer on this one, there is no "official Joni tuning" fo it. Standard tuning works fine (this fellow plays it in standard tuning, though not in a key that exists in his vocal universe!). Howard Wright has created an arrangement in an open tuning at http://jmdl.com/guitar/tab.cfm?id=180 and Steve Johnson has transcribed the chords for a version in standard tuning at http://jmdl.com/guitar/tab.cfm?id=181 I find that while it's sometimes fun to recreate Joni's guitar parts by using her tunings--I'm fond of playing "Cold Blue Steel" and "Amelia" that way-- sometimes it's better just to make your ouwn arrangements. I'm fond of playing "That Song About the Midway" in E in standard tuning, for instance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Youtube - --- Ruth Davis wrote: > Hello. I came across this Youtube clip of a guy > demonstrating how to play > ACOY on guitar. He makes it look so easy, and it > appears he is using standard > guitar tuning: > http://youtube.com/watch?v=wfUHYzDxTkk > I wish he would do a whole series of these. I wonder if he's using one of the versions posted on jmdl.com? Try this one: http://jmdl.com/guitar/tab.cfm?id=181 You're just using two fingers, mostly in the same position relative to one another, moving up and down the frets. I've tried it and it sounds pretty cool, but I find it awkward, and if it's not the right key for you, it would be difficult to transpose it, since it goes up to the 13th fret. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 11:44:19 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Influences From: "Ruth Davis" > Much as I love Joni's music and her perspective on the world, I think > sometimes she should take a wee bit of a look around to see what other > people > are singing and doing. She said no one was talking about the things she > did > in DED at that time. But what about Bruce Cockburn - he recorded If I Had > a > Rocket Launcher at around that time period - Also, the No Nukes movie and triple album were huge, there was Live Aid, Farm Aid, etc in that general era. On one hand she will say she is not plugged in to the current scene, on the other she will generalize about it's content-oh well. Sometimes I think great artists are wired to be overly opinionated, in order to sift the wheat from the chaff in their own works. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:31:56 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Thoughts on THOSL Well I've been listening to this album and Hejira a great deal lately (much to the expense of all my other albums I own!). I feel I can give my thoughts on the album now (I'll give you my opinion on Hejira probably tomorrow). Overall, it may be a bit early to say this as it is so new, but I think I love this album! THOSL was one of the albums I grabbed to take to listen to at work and I was excited to listen to it again! I even stopped working for a few seconds at a time to listen closely to my favorite parts of certain songs (hey man music comes first always!). A big change I see in this album vs. the earlier ones is Joni's perspective. It's like she's looking outside rather than inside perhaps. And I love, love, love Joni's singing on the entire album. After reading some reviews just before, I find it strange how I kept reading the word "smug" in reviews of this album. I don't find the tone of the album smug at all. I think it's very inviting to the listener as long as the listener is willing. Forget smug man. A little bit on the songs now: - -IFTKOMS: This is one of my favorites. From the very memorable guitar opening all the way through the very catchy and pleasant song this is, it stands strong. - -The Jungle Line: Another favorite! For lack of a better word, I think this song is so cool. I love the drums, the synth, and what the song conveys. It's a very experimental song and it works. This song clicked right away. It also reminds me of some of the experimental rock that came about much later---bands like Radiohead or Tool...or to a more extreme....industrial music like Nine Inch Nails. Very interesting. - -E&TK: I like this song but it's definitely one of my least favorites. I find the other songs more memorable. - -DITS: Another favorite! Once again, I love Joni's guitar on here. There's just something about this song. I have no words to describe it though. - -SOSC: Oh, such a melancholic song. Joni's singing is so honest here, this song almost breaks my heart with what it is about. - -THOSL: I like the song. It puts you in a certain mood and makes you think. Love when songs do that. - -The Boho Dance: Another wonderful song (forget Rolling Stone when they said this album was one of the worst albums of the year! Never have liked RS much.....). It makes me a bit sad. - -Harry's House/Centerpiece: Another favorite! My favorite part of this song and maybe my favorite part of the whole album is when Joni sings, "the more I'm with you pretty baby...." I suppose you'd call it the bridge. This is the cover part of the song, yes? Anyway, I love this whole part because I ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY LOVE JONI'S SINGING OF IT. Her voice is incredible man. Just gets me so much and that part even more so! - -Sweet Bird: A very beautiful song. Almost simple sounding.....it just has an elegant beauty to it. - -Shadows & Light: Another favorite! I love the vocal melody and once again Joni's singing, all of it! What an ambitious piece. I'm not religious or anything but it reminds me of a prayer in a church especially with the multiple voices responding (I haven't been to a church since my 1st communion....I like the Eastern religions to be honest....). Just beautiful. So I suppose I like the entire album now that I look at it. Once again my least favourite is Edith which is funny because I read that that song is the one that is most known from this album. Is this true? I noticed Edith And The Kingpin is the song that is on the tribute album being done by Elvis Costello. So that's that as I see it. - -Monika


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:44:44 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: rickie lee et joni Have been wanting to save my cassettes and albums to disk for quite some time. Finally figured out how to do it. Saving them to computer today. The first cassette I pulled out, at random, was 'the magazine' by Rickie Lee. Have both the cassette and the album of most of her recordings and couldn't see spending the extra money to buy the cd's of them, as well as many other artists. While recording it and listening to it intently I realize why I love her so. This album could have been named 'the masterpiece' for it truly is one. Some say 'she ain't no Joni Mitchell.' That is true, she's not. She's Rickie Lee Jones. Better? Hmmm. Apples are very sweet and good and so are peaches. mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:05:25 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: rickie lee et joni I've been wanting to check out a lot of different music (particularly jazz and classical since that's what I'm studying) and though I have picked up a few things here and there, I don't have the hundreds of dollars that I would need to purchase an excellent collection of this and other music, something I think is extremely important. I first thought of signing up for this new mp3 program, Ruckus, which offers free downloads to students. But upon further investigation, I discovered, one, it doesn't work on the Mac OS (the only way to do it is to go to a lot of trouble to run Windows which I don't want to do) and, two, once you graduate, you have to pay them a monthly fee to continue accessing the music you have downloaded. So that was a dead end. But it finally occurred to me, I'm overlooking a valuable resource....the library! While they don't have everything, they certainly have a lot and I already have discovered music I otherwise probably wouldn't have. And I don't feel guilty downloading music to my itunes library for several reasons...one, I'm a student and having this music will greatly enhance my progress, two, I've already spent a lot of money buying music and would otherwise not be able to afford any more, three, I'm doing it solely for myself, and four, the library has already paid for it so I'm simply making something more accessible to me that is available for free anyway. Anyhow, I think itunes is a wonderful thing. And I totally agree with you, Mack, about apples and peaches. I think everybody should be themselves as that is what they are probably best at. Victor NP: Charles Mingus - Epitaph On Feb 26, 2007, at 5:44 PM, mack watson-bush wrote: > Have been wanting to save my cassettes and albums to disk for quite > some time. > Finally figured out how to do it. Saving them to computer today. > The first > cassette I pulled out, at random, was 'the magazine' by Rickie > Lee. Have both > the cassette and the album of most of her recordings and couldn't > see spending > the extra money to buy the cd's of them, as well as many other > artists. While > recording it and listening to it intently I realize why I love her > so. This > album could have been named 'the masterpiece' for it truly is one. > Some say > 'she ain't no Joni Mitchell.' That is true, she's not. She's > Rickie Lee > Jones. Better? Hmmm. Apples are very sweet and good and so are > peaches. > > mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:33:40 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: More on 'Miles of Aisles' My personal opinions on 'Miles of Aisles'--track-by-track (...and side-by-side): ;-) Side 1: 1. "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio"; Impressive, updated arrangement that's considerably slower than the original version. And Joni's soaring vocal--especially towards the end--is beautiful. 2. "Big Yellow Taxi"; Fun, jazzy little surprise--even if it does sound a bit dated now. 3. "Rainy Night House"; Another jazzy "band" arrangement that completely transforms the original into something mysterious and unique. Featuring one of the most gorgeous vocals on the entire disc, this is a spellbinding highlight--for sure. 4. "Woodstock"; Uptempo, rocking "band" version that's quite different from the classic original. Side 2: 1. "Cactus Tree"; The first acoustic track on the disc remains very similar to the original. Stark and moving. 2. "Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire"; This particular version of Joni's greatest jazz composition has always struck me as sounding rather sluggish--especially when compared to the brilliant original (although both arrangements are quite similar). 3. "Woman of Heart and Mind"; This excellent acoustic version sounds very much like the original. 4. "A Case of You"; Again, quite similar to the original version--only better. Accompanied by only her dulcimer, this incredibly passionate performance is sensational in every way. This is one of the albums most brilliant tracks. 5. "Blue"; Yet another beautifully rendered highlight that's (dare I say it) actually superior to the classic original. Simply breathtaking. Side 3: 1. "The Circle Game"; Very nice acoustic version--complete with sing-along chorus--that's alot like the original in many ways. 2. "Peoples' Parties"; Nice, but nothing special. In fact, I actually prefer the original version. 3. "All I Want"; Another major highlight, and again--another dulcimer performance that's better than the original. Very impressive, and one of my absolute favorites on the disc. 4. "For Free"; Similar--but slightly inferior--to the brilliant original. 5. "Both Sides Now"; Lovely band arrangement of Joni's most popular composition. Another winner. Side 4: 1. "Carey"; As great as the song itself is--and it's STILL enjoyable--this awkward arrangement is one of the albums rare mistakes. 2. "The Last Time I Saw Richard"; The final, absolute highlight of the disc. This is a revelatory--even transcendent--band arrangement of the original tear-jerker. And as one of my all-time favorite performances by Joni, I think it's positively stunning. 3. "Jericho"; The first of two new compositions, and one of the most pedestrian songs on the disc. Not a bad performance per se, but the composition itself is a major disappointment compared to Joni's earlier classics. So what happened? My best guess is "distractions." Distractions brought on by drugs or the grind of touring--or perhaps both. At any rate, her recently neglected "muse" had largely abandoned her for the first time ever--and it showed. 4. "Love Or Money"; Another new song, this is the biggest low-point in terms of composition, almost entirely lacking the profound originality of her early classics. This proved to be an unfortunate preview of things to come, and sadly sounds like an outtake from 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns.' XXXOOO, Billy NP: '...And I Mean It!' (1979) by Genya Ravan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:51:26 -0800 From: Subject: HOSL & Hejira and Blue critics Monica wrote about the critic assessing Joni's Blue as "self-centered with no compassion for the people" and then mentions the radical 70s. Geez, I was there, age 17, when Blue was released and remember exactly where I was etc. How anyone or a critic could think that way is just a joke. I think or maybe know now that a lot of what I guess I was supposed to think in the 60s and 70s was either over my head or totally misinterpreted by me. At the time I always thought it was all about respect, understanding and tolerance for the individual. That is who "the people" were and still are to me. What, they thought Joni should co-opt her own unique expression to provide an "acceptable" product? Yeesh. What about the much bigger expression you find in Blue - that it is individual, personal and totally universal all at the same time? I don't know of anyone who would not relate to her expressions on that album. That is always why she has been so great - she is able to express the most personal and yet most everyone ("the people") can relate to it. The greatest artists channel and express the universal. Katherine commented that people found fault in women who didn't play games back then and that there was a sort of cultural norm that something inherently wrong with strong, independent women. I am so glad that part went way over my head back then. By not perceiving it, I was not held back by it. Sure there was prejuduce but it wasn't the norm and with all the social changes, that kind of prejudice still and will always endure. But it was not the overwhelming cultural norm then nor is it now. I am not trying to diminish incidents of real prejudice then and now but to believe it was/is the norm is to build one's own kind of prison in which one can never break out above and beyond whatever "ceiling" may present itself. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:24:35 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: rickie lee et joni Synchronicity! I was listening to "The Magazine" this afternoon and thinking how wonderful it was. The opening, Prelude to Gravity, is so moving and so beautiful-followed by "Gravity", which is to me, Rickie at her best. I also adore "Deep Space" which, in concert, Rickie refers to as "Equestrienne in the Circus of the Falling Star." And there is nothing more somber and precise than her opening bars on "Rorshachs"--"there must be a golden frame coming to me. But where are you? Where are you? Where are you?" Rickies voice is plaintive and beautiful. What a magnificent record. And you are right-there is no point in comparing her to Joni. They are completely different. Ken - -----Original Message----- From: darinaria@sbcglobal.net To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 5:44 Subject: rickie lee et joni Have been wanting to save my cassettes and albums to disk for quite some time. Finally figured out how to do it. Saving them to computer today. The first cassette I pulled out, at random, was 'the magazine' by Rickie Lee. Have both the cassette and the album of most of her recordings and couldn't see spending the extra money to buy the cd's of them, as well as many other artists. While recording it and listening to it intently I realize why I love her so. This album could have been named 'the masterpiece' for it truly is one. Some say 'she ain't no Joni Mitchell.' That is true, she's not. She's Rickie Lee Jones. Better? Hmmm. Apples are very sweet and good and so are peaches. mack ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #63 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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