From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #54 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 19 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 054 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book [Bob Muller ] Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article [Victor Johnson ] Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book ["Randy Remote" ] ashara jonifest ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: Joni [Victor Johnson ] I had forgot.....Joni's piano playing... [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Joni ["Dr. Katherine Whited" ] Re: Joni [Victor Johnson ] Re: For The Roses for the hippies? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Guitar Parts [Bobsart48@aol.com] RE: Guitar Parts ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:43:01 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Well, he loves C&S, that's for sure - the last chapter (and I'm not sure why it's even included) pretty much pisses on everything she did after it. I'll give him points for being honest and I even agree with some of what he says but you get the feeling he hasn't really given it much of a chance because it sounds so dramaticaly different from C&S. Oh well, that's Joni - always moving forward. I still stand by what I said about the book - it's a splendid analysis of C&S, at least from Sean's perspective. Bob NP: The Swimming Pool Q's, "Just Property" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:56:18 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Yeah, Evelyne: what you said. I did not appreciate the tone of that interview. I did like the things Joni said. Way to go Joni! _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:01:33 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Carlos Castaneda not much jc >Regarding Castaneda, I think I just don't like the way his book is written >- the book is crap Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:01:14 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc Norma Jean wrote: <> Oh, I totally agree. I love Native American culture, I've loved it since I was a young child. And I totallly get the whole "link with nature" lifestyle - such a beautiful, pure, natural way to live one's life. And I don't even have a problem with the ritualistic hallucinogenic drugs - I have the utmost respect for native cultures. Sometimes I wonder if I have a bit of Native American blood in me. Joni has some, and my grandmother's face looks almost identical to Joni's. Sure, this is much wishful (and probably delusional) thinking on my part; however, my grandmother's background has always been kept a secret from the family, not sure why - it is such a mystery. Regarding Castaneda, I think I just don't like the way his book is written - maybe the writing style - I dunno - it just seems like so many details that would be so pertinent and interesting have been left out. There are gaps or something in the writing, and I get the feeling some of his experiences are made up, but I can't really explain why I feel that. My problem. _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:05:17 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Thanks for posting that. It was an interesting read. Funny how the guy implies that the body is a "microcosm" of the world and smoking is no different than polluting or tainting the Earth! LOL! It's very strange he chose to concentrate on her smoking. Lord knows if ANYONE ELSE actually got to interview her we wouldn't dare ask anything more about the ballet....or about her new songs....or about any past work she's done...or her perspective on things. Smoking is just that interesting. I mean, no one else smokes, right? Haha. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:23:55 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at all. I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this discussion list (for the most part anyway, everyone has their own perspective obviously) and when reporters don't mirror the same great admiration that is felt here, they come across as lacking or not presenting her in the proper light that is befitting to someone of her magnitude. I think the way Alexandria Gill presented her is pretty honest to the way a lot of people view her. It wasn't written for the jmdl per say. I found the part about smoking very interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette to the RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to her health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just heard things I already know or believe. Just my two cents. Victor NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > > > I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was > portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on > where > she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say > historically), > what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic > lines > and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... > > I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:44:49 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Paradise Paved Bon dimanche, tout le Jonimonde! Marianne wrote: I love hearing stuff like that. Thanks Kenny. ***** Moi, aussi. Merci, Kenny. Joni, Joni, everywhere! Here's a little headline from my Sunday paper: *** "Area Churches Going Back to the Garden: Faithful Take Small Steps to Address Global Warming" **** "And we've got to get ourselves....." And speaking of global warming, have you heard about.... Oh, wait a sec.....I'll make that a separate post. Love, Patti P. >From: PassScribe@aol.com Hey, gang, I know some folks enjoy hearing about even minor mentions of Joni or references to her, so I'm forwarding the following bit of news. On the front cover of (Long Island's) Newsday, Part 2, is a photo of an old barn here on LI (by someone I know in the Huntington CC, no less) and the lead-in under it: "They may have paved paradise, but the Heckscher Museum Of Art looks past the parking lot to a time now lost", and- of course- it's all about preserving the island's past history, etc. That's it... no big deal... Kenny B _________________________________________________________________ Refi Now: Rates near 39yr lows! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,399/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-17727&moid=7581 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:56:47 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Gotta chime in. As for the reporters's coming down on Joni's smoking habits - well, lets face it, nowadays smoking does bother a lot of people and anyway, it's not "politically correct" so I am not surprised. Her persistence might encourage other hopeless smokers to hold their ground but in the end it's her own business. It's also in accordance with her image as an independant person who does her own thing whether it's in or out. (She obviously did try to quit at some point. In earlier interviews she mentioned that she did a lot of knitting to keep herself from smoking). Journalists write for a certain public - in this case obviously not for Joni's fans which is why so many of us here on this list are dissatisfied with the article. I don't think that objecting to the way she is being portrayed necessarily should be interpreted as an inability to have any kind of objective view. In everyday life we can see when people are being treated unfairly regardless of our own views of them, can't we? Why shouldn't we be able to do so when reading an article on somebody we admittedly do not know personally but do know a lot about? Just my thoughts, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Evelyne Dubois" Cc: "Michael O'Malley" ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 5:23 PM Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article >I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at all. >I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this discussion list >(for the most part anyway, everyone has their own perspective obviously) >and when reporters don't mirror the same great admiration that is felt >here, they come across as lacking or not presenting her in the proper >light that is befitting to someone of her magnitude. I think the way >Alexandria Gill presented her is pretty honest to the way a lot of people >view her. It wasn't written for the jmdl per say. I found the part about >smoking very interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette >to the RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. > I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to her > health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. > > Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just > heard things I already know or believe. > > Just my two cents. > > Victor > > NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > >> >> >> I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was >> portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on >> where >> she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say >> historically), >> what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic >> lines >> and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... >> >> I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:17:36 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article On Feb 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Marion Leffler wrote: > Journalists write for a certain public - in this case obviously not > for Joni's fans which is why so many of us here on this list are > dissatisfied with the article. Then we're in agreement. Although the term "Joni's fans" encompasses a broad range of people, fans of all degrees from slight fans to huge fans > I don't think that objecting to the way she is being portrayed > necessarily should be interpreted as an inability to have any kind > of objective view. In everyday life we can see when people are > being treated unfairly regardless of our own views of them, can't > we? Why shouldn't we be able to do so when reading an article on > somebody we admittedly do not know personally but do know a lot about? > Just my thoughts, > Marion Nobody said there was an inability to have any kind of objective view. I just don't agree that she was really treated unfairly. Both opinions are valid. Victor YES - Take the Water to the Mountains ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 12:56:59 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book Hi, gang, I decided to get the C&S 33 1/3 book after hearing so much about it on this site. I went to a nearby Borders but the clerk said they have never stocked it at that store. She checked the warehouse but none were available; she said there were six "used" copies available at prices like $30 to $40. Apparently, a lot of people think it's scare and very collectable already. I went home, found it online through one of the stores on Amazon.com, and ordered it (new, softcover) for $9.95 plus $3.49 S&H. There were other "used" copies online for big bucks as well... what's going on here? Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:12:50 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Good afternoon dear people, I too did appreciate some things that were said, or quoted I should say. Michael phrased it well. Like all of us, Joni must be irritated (and irritating) at times and not so open and graceful as she can be. But you know, I'm not sure I was nagged by the fact that the journalist didn't admire her as much as I. For myself, angelism brings about the same feelings. I've never been totally comfortable with the term "fan", or "guru" neither. In an ideal world, I'd like to see people that have some sort of "authority" or "power" (journalists being one important type cuzzz reaches a wide audience) take the TIME to reflect a bit more upon the meaning of things. True she's not treated THAT unfearly, but I felt the article missed depth and discernement, more of what you get from a pedestrian view. But I'll admit being a bit impulsive and intense at times :-). Thank you for your comments. We're thick in snow up here in Montreal, snow flacks are HUGE. Beautiful. Evelyne. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Johnson" To: "Evelyne Dubois" Cc: "Michael O'Malley" ; ; Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article > > I read the article again and honestly it didn't really bother me at > all. I think there is a way Joni Mitchell is viewed on this > discussion list (for the most part anyway, everyone has their own > perspective obviously) and when reporters don't mirror the same > great admiration that is felt here, they come across as lacking or > not presenting her in the proper light that is befitting to someone > of her magnitude. I think the way Alexandria Gill presented her is > pretty honest to the way a lot of people view her. It wasn't written > for the jmdl per say. I found the part about smoking very > interesting...I liked the comparison of smoking one cigarette to the > RV's puffing out so many obnoxious fumes. > I also think Joni is very lucky she hasn't suffered more detriment to > her health from smoking. Many people have been far less fortunate. > > Anyway, I found this interview intriguing, more so than if I had just > heard things I already know or believe. > > Just my two cents. > > Victor > > NP: YES - I Would Have Waited Forever > > > > > > > > > On Feb 17, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Evelyne Dubois wrote: > > > > > > > I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was > > portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on > > where > > she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say > > historically), > > what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic > > lines > > and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... > > > > I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:17:40 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: 83 tour I saw this tour in SB... I remember she introduced the bass player as her husband, I think somehow I knew she'd gotten married... although I'd been a joni fan since her first record, this was my first time seeing her in concert... Lesli >and I was lucky enough to go to all three shows in the la area on her 83 tour. That was a long tour, beginning with the segment in japan and ending i think late in July. I thought joni played the same songs each night but in a different order. the night at irvine meadows was different. Joni seemed to be straining, fighting her way through the songs to. Right after " For Free" joni left the stage leaning on klein, only about 2/3 of the way though the show. there was no "heard it through the grapevine encore that night! remember the crowd booing--does this sound familiar jill? or anyone? somebody said the universal or irvine show was pretty choeorgraphed. imho that was due to klein. the band was actually wearing uniforms, black leather pants and white shirts. Then, she introduced klein as her husband. a big gasp from the crowd! how could this be so? i had heard she'd gotten married but DID NOT BELIEVE IT . crown and anchor joni? i never thought marriage was ever something she'd consider doing again. Do these recollections ring any bells? all so long ago before i realized i should write all things about joni down immediately.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 10:47:27 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Court & Spark 33 1/3 book > Hi, gang, > I decided to get the C&S 33 1/3 book after hearing so much about it on > this site. I went to a nearby Borders but the clerk said they have never > stocked it at that store. She checked the warehouse but none were > available; she > said there were six "used" copies available at prices like $30 to $40. > Apparently, a lot of people think it's scare and very collectable already. > I went home, found it online through one of the stores on Amazon.com, > and ordered it (new, softcover) for $9.95 plus $3.49 S&H. There were > other > "used" copies online for big bucks as well... what's going on here? > > Kenny B But was anyone buying? Maybe because Amazon had it listed for so many months as unavailable before it was published, people assumed it was rare or OOP. As I said, I enjoyed the book, although he did kind of trash "Raised On Robbery" as insincere fluff-one of my favorites! So after reading the book, I put on the headphones and had a good listen to C&S, and after all that, totally ignored the lyrics anyway. One thing I hadn't really noticed before was the bridge part of "Just Like This Train" where Max Bennett's bass playing sounds very much like Jaco. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:43:19 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: ashara jonifest Ashara, can I still send you my check Sorry I am late. Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:21:47 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Joni Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. http://www.canada.com/cityguides/edmonton/story.html?id=cfb665e2-b9df-487e-a36a-50ea70cfbb20&k=66889 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:44:30 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. > I checked it out and I think it actually is Joni! Victor ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 19:20:24 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: I had forgot.....Joni's piano playing... I had asked your favorite singing and guitar playing of Joni's but didn't ask what are your favorite piano peformances or piano bits by her. I mean she's played almost as much piano as guitar if not the same amount (well I'm not familiar with her later works yet so I don't know about those) so it's almost unfair not to ask. So what are your favorite piano parts/piano songs by Joni? Why those? - -monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:49:55 -0700 From: "Dr. Katherine Whited" Subject: Re: Joni spelling error. I meant 'of' not 'if' On 2/18/07, Victor Johnson wrote: > > On Feb 18, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > > > Nice collection of articles, photos and video if Joni. > > > > > I checked it out and I think it actually is Joni! > > Victor ;-) > - -- "In every culture and in every medical tradition before ours, healing was accomplished by moving energy." Albert Szent-Gyorgyi, Nobel Laureate in Medicine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:06:03 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Joni I figured as much. I was just having fun pretending it was 'if'. The English language can be hilarious sometimes...I was listening to the radio the other week and someone was reading a list of actual headlines that were hysterical. Victor NP: NBA Allstar game in Sin City. On Feb 18, 2007, at 8:49 PM, Dr. Katherine Whited wrote: > spelling error. I meant 'of' not 'if' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:48:58 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? In a message dated 2/13/2007, Marion wrote: "Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet but I just have to say that I totally agree, Joni never made any hippie album (and yes, I am old enough to remember the sixties). Then again, it could be discussed what defines "hippie music"? The Byrds came pretty close, I think...And some of Joni's songs could certainly qualify, for example Woodstock and Roses Blue. But never an entire album, and she had definitely grown out of the hippie scene by Blue. Love to you all, Marion" I think that Joni would agree. From "The Boho Zone" "I was a hopeful in rooms like this When I was working cheap It's an old romance the Boho dance It hasn't gone to sleep But even on the scuffle The cleaner's press was in my jeans And any eye for detail Caught a little lace along the seams..................... Nothing is capsulized in me On either side of town The streets were never really mine Not mine, not mine, these glamour gowns" Along the lines of "never an album, but maybe a song" (never is a big word) - - I would agree with your choice of Woodstock, although it not only captures the spirit of the movement and the event, but has a timelessness about it that reflects the best of that movement. And, by use of the first person, Joni throws her hat into the spirit - "We've got to get ourselves back to the garden". I do not really agree with Roses Blue, which is to me more a troubled if not scathing commentary on the foibles of the scene and its shortcomings - not to say potential failings (directionally, think Charles Manson). Morning Morgantown comes closer to the genre, IMO. Or Sisotowbell Lane. Or even Chelsea Morning. Or Morning Morgantown. And you know there may be more :-) Maybe we could collect a dozen and make an album of them after all........ :-) OK here goes my shot at songs that IMO capture a bit of the hippie sentiment - - all from Joni's first 4 albums. I like all the songs, but I'm glad she spread them out ;-) Michael From Mountains Marcie Nathan La Franeer Sisotowbell Lane Chelsea Morning The Fiddle and the Drum Morning Morgantown Big Yellow Taxi Woodstock All I Want My Old Man California Bobsart PS - on the subject of sad songs, two sad ones from PP&M that always got to me were their cover of Bob Dylan's Dream, and The Great Mandella. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:47:14 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitar Parts Lamadoo wrote: "* The slapping duel at the beginning of "God Must Be A Boogie Man" on MINGUS. * The loosely strung intro to "Cold Blue Steel". When someone plays this in person, as Catherine did at JoniFest, it's even more amazing. Jim L. >What are your favorite guitar songs by Joni or your favorite guitar parts she has played and from which songs?>" I have posted in the past about a number of Joni guitar compositions that I have admired over the years (including CBSASF). This week's batch is biased by having put DJRD in my car CD player and leaving it there all week. The whole record is really something in terms of guitar composition, but I am particularly taken by the Overture and Cotton Avenue and by Otis and Marlena. That said, Silky Veils and Off Night Backstreet are outstanding examples too. And the rhythm playing on Talk to Me and DJRD just drives those two pieces. I am even coming to love Jericho - which was a sad song for me, in that I felt it revealed something of a lack of essential insight into what love is about on Joni's part. Lately, I have come to appreciate it as a very honest and open reflection of her feeling and thoughts, which overshadows the human weakness I perceive (and that is just my perception). The guitar work is very strong on Jericho. I would have to say that the album DJRD contains her most interesting work in terms of guitar composition, and is way up there on my favorites list overall. Unlike Kakki, I love Hejira - she was thinking, thinking, and I love to think, think and hear Joni thinking, thinking. Then, one record later, she changes pace, and is living, living, reckless multiplicity. Unconscious. The incredible progression of the seven record span from LOTC to DJRD is truly mind blowing to me - not a mediocre song in the entire span, and the end is nothing like the beginning. Mingus represented a diversion of sorts and a deflection of sorts, as the work was not all hers, and her subsequent work went in a very different direction althogether. I repeat my earlier query as to what her next record would have been like if Mingus had not beckoned. She was on her way out of orbit altogether, and then she sort of found her way back to earth - - maybe something about getting married, I dunno. At that time, she had lost me anyway - glad I eventually caught up. Bobsart PS - I attended a concert last Saturday night at Carnegie Hall by Paco de Lucia. May the Lord strike me dead if I ever again refer to myself as a person who plays the guitar, much less as a guitarist. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 02:08:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Guitar Parts You said that the arc from LOTC to DJRD is mind blowing for many reasons including "the end is nothing like the beginning". Right. In addition, the middle (BLUE) is nothing like the beginning or the end either. It's not just that she had a wide palette. She swapped out entire palettes and STILL kept the quality up above most solo-Beatle albums. I enjoyed reading this. Bob, I hope someday you'll hear Marian Russell play "Overture" for you. It was a shock. Jim L. Bobsart said, in part, > I would have to say that the album DJRD contains her most interesting work in terms of guitar composition, and is way up there on my favorites list overall. Unlike Kakki, I love Hejira - she was thinking, thinking, and I love to think, think and hear Joni thinking, thinking. Then, one record later, she changes pace, and is living, living, reckless multiplicity. Unconscious. The incredible progression of the seven record span from LOTC to DJRD is truly mind blowing to me - not a mediocre song in the entire span, and the end is nothing like the beginning. Mingus represented a diversion of sorts and a deflection of sorts, as the work was not all hers, and her subsequent work went in a very different direction althogether. I repeat my earlier query as to what her next record would have been like if Mingus had not beckoned. She was on her way out of orbit altogether, and then she sort of found her way back to earth - maybe something about getting married, I dunno. At that time, she had lost me anyway - glad I eventually caught up. > ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #54 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)