From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #53 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, February 18 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 053 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Paradise Paved ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Long Globe & Mail weekend article [Bob Muller ] Re: Long Globe & Mail weekend article [Victor Johnson ] Re: JoniFest ["anne@sandstrom.com" ] Jonifest ["Jill Haas" ] Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc ["mia _" ] Re: Jonifest [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Jonifest [Motitan@aol.com] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Fw=3A=20=27=38=33=20Concert=20at=20Irvin e=20Meadows=20and=20=38=37=20concert=20at=20pacific=20amphitheater?= ["=] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=20memories=20not=20really=20jc?= ["=?ISO-8859] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20book?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: Paradise Paved I love hearing stuff like that. Thanks Kenny. Marianne >From: PassScribe@aol.com Hey, gang, I know some folks enjoy hearing about even minor mentions of Joni or references to her, so I'm forwarding the following bit of news. On the front cover of (Long Island's) Newsday, Part 2, is a photo of an old barn here on LI (by someone I know in the Huntington CC, no less) and the lead-in under it: "They may have paved paradise, but the Heckscher Museum Of Art looks past the parking lot to a time now lost", and- of course- it's all about preserving the island's past history, etc. That's it... no big deal... Kenny B _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:41:12 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Long Globe & Mail weekend article http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070217.JONI17/TPStory/TPEn tertainment/Music/ An extensive article - another song title ("Shine") and a mention about her current estrangement with Kilauren (maybe that's why she's writing again?) Happy weekend! Bob NP: The Uptown Trio, "Song For Sharon" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:35:00 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Long Globe & Mail weekend article Thanks for the link! Interesting interview... Victor NP: Joe Gransden "Green Dolphin Street" On Feb 17, 2007, at 9:41 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20070217.JONI17/ > TPStory/TPEn > tertainment/Music/ > > An extensive article - another song title ("Shine") and a > mention about her current estrangement with Kilauren (maybe that's > why she's > writing again?) > > Happy weekend! > > Bob > > NP: The Uptown Trio, "Song For Sharon" > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______ > _______ > Do you Yahoo!? > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. > http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:45:44 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Joni Mitchell in Person, by ALEXANDRA GILL, From Saturday's Globe and Mail This is a rather unflattering article/interview from the Calgary ballet opening. Gill seems obsessed by the fact that Joni is a smoker and devotes several column inches to the subject. Anyway, there are a few good lines, such as ``She pauses, staring into space, and then returns with a bang. To enjoy my music, you need depth and emotionality. Those two traits are bred out of the white, straight males who control the press. `` Viewers comments to the article on the website are also interesting ! More here, including a glam photo oj Joni taken on opening night in a dressing room. She's looking rahthah regal... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070216.wxjoni0217/BNStory/Entertainment/home Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:34:19 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article Salut ` tous, I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on where she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say historically), what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic lines and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... I'm not saying Joni should be portrayed like an above faults godess or anything but come on! Gill wrote: "On surface.... Mitchell's life since then (following Blue and C&S) looks like that of a troubled diva... she would often berate her audiences if they weren't paying close enough attention" . or again "...when Mitchell felt the need to grow as an artist, she turned her back on her fans (sic- so unrelevant) and almost abandoned melody altogether ...". Add to this the importance Gill waited on the logistics preceding the interview: "For this story, I was told she would do two interviews on Thursday or Friday, but the exact date couldn't be confirmed.It would depend on how she felt that day. There was no telling how long she might talk. And, of course, the interview wouldn't take place until after 2 p.m.; that's when the night owl typically wakes up." I don't know, something about this building on "objective facts" while deliberatly avoiding context and lacking insight always bothers me A LOT! And what about the poor discernment Gill shows writing about some of (trusting) Joni's spontaneous thoughts (momentarily forgetting she's being interviewed) regarding her relationship with Kilauren: "She and her daughter are currently estranged. She has lots to say about the problems they've encountered. The stories spill out, easily and ugly (sic- unecessary statement)...Until she suddenly remembers this is an interview....Can you please keep the kid out of it? she asks, trustingly. It will only fan the flame. Let's just say it's a work in progress. Sorry for splashing my miscontent this way on such a beautiful sunny Saturday, I felt a little pissed-off after reading this article. We're only particals of change orbiting around the sun, I know I know, and I'm aware other critics have been much harsher at times, but boy does this type of spirit reminds me of the power of breathtaking ignorance. I feel it misses honesty. Cheers my friends. Evelyne. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael O'Malley" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article > Joni Mitchell in Person, by ALEXANDRA GILL, From Saturday's Globe and Mail > This is a rather unflattering article/interview from the Calgary ballet > opening. Gill seems obsessed by the fact that Joni is a smoker and devotes > several column inches to the subject. Anyway, there are a few good lines, > such as ``She pauses, staring into space, and then returns with a bang. To > enjoy my music, you need depth and emotionality. Those two traits are bred > out of the white, straight males who control the press. `` Viewers > comments to the article on the website are also interesting ! > > More here, including a glam photo oj Joni taken on opening night in a > dressing room. She's looking rahthah regal... > > http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070216.wxjoni0217/BNSto ry/Entertainment/home > > Michael in Quebec > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live > Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:54:05 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article I would have hoped the interviewer would have walked a way thinking...."Wow...what beautiful fresh air she brings round the table....despite all that smoke." "AND....even though she does smoke...it somehow balances her." "Who cares?!" "Live and let live!" "And just to get the interview with one of the greatest singer songwriter's of all time...how lucky am I?" "I must remember to get down on my knees tonight....thank you...thank you..." But desperately trying to be grown-up and oh so sophisticated..chocked-full of the world's idiocy ...we know about all things haute...but just below the surface ...uptight.stupid..scared. And Joni..... my hat off to you for sitting there and taking that crap ....you are a better woman than I. Bree >>Salut ` tous, > >I've read the article and didn't appreciate one bit the way Joni was >portrayed. God, leave her alone with the smoking and concentrate on where >she's coming from (personally AND generation wise, not to say >historically), >what she's pointing to!! Leave the damn shallow journalistic critic lines >and give us the substance we're all desperatly in need of ...... > >I'm not saying Joni should be portrayed like an above faults godess or >anything but come on! > >Gill wrote: >"On surface.... Mitchell's life since then (following Blue and C&S) looks >like that of a troubled diva... she would often berate her audiences if >they >weren't paying close enough attention" . > >or again >"...when Mitchell felt the need to grow as an artist, she turned her back >on >her fans (sic- so unrelevant) and almost abandoned melody altogether ...". > >Add to this the importance Gill waited on the logistics preceding the >interview: >"For this story, I was told she would do two interviews on Thursday or >Friday, but the exact date couldn't be confirmed.It would depend on how she >felt that day. There was no telling how long she might talk. And, of >course, >the interview wouldn't take place until after 2 p.m.; that's when the night >owl typically wakes up." > >I don't know, something about this building on "objective facts" while >deliberatly avoiding context and lacking insight always bothers me A LOT! > >And what about the poor discernment Gill shows writing about some of >(trusting) Joni's spontaneous thoughts (momentarily forgetting she's being >interviewed) regarding her relationship with Kilauren: "She and her >daughter >are currently estranged. She has lots to say about the problems they've >encountered. The stories spill out, easily and ugly (sic- unecessary >statement)...Until she suddenly remembers this is an interview....Can you >please keep the kid out of it? she asks, trustingly. It will only fan the >flame. Let's just say it's a work in progress. > >Sorry for splashing my miscontent this way on such a beautiful sunny >Saturday, I felt a little pissed-off after reading this article. We're only >particals of change orbiting around the sun, I know I know, and I'm aware >other critics have been much harsher at times, but boy does this type of >spirit reminds me of the power of breathtaking ignorance. I feel it misses >honesty. > >Cheers my friends. Evelyne. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael O'Malley" >To: >Cc: >Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:45 AM >Subject: Joni Mitchell in Person, new G&M article > > > > Joni Mitchell in Person, by ALEXANDRA GILL, From Saturday's Globe and >Mail > > This is a rather unflattering article/interview from the Calgary ballet > > opening. Gill seems obsessed by the fact that Joni is a smoker and >devotes > > several column inches to the subject. Anyway, there are a few good >lines, > > such as ``She pauses, staring into space, and then returns with a bang. >To > > enjoy my music, you need depth and emotionality. Those two traits are >bred > > out of the white, straight males who control the press. `` Viewers > > comments to the article on the website are also interesting ! > > > > More here, including a glam photo oj Joni taken on opening night in a > > dressing room. She's looking rahthah regal... > > > > >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070216.wxjoni0217/BNSto >ry/Entertainment/home > > > > Michael in Quebec > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows >Live > > Spaces. http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN. Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:05:31 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Fw: '83 Concert at Irvine Meadows Hi Laurent, As I recall, the concert was an "only Joni" one--she was the headliner. The women behind me were, I'm sure, "fans," but they wanted Joni to keep her wings tucked in. Personally, I've always loved to see her fly. If those fans had their way, we wouldn't have the great body of material she's produced. Her work has a life of its own, IMHO. There were times that it took a bit of patience before I could "get it" when new (and different) material came out, but it always worked its way into my world, and my life is much richer for it. Pardonez mois for the gushing admiration--sometimes I just can't help myself. Jill Laurent wrote: A copy of the Forest Hill TREE is on its way to Michael Paz. I was at Irvine too. Was it the one where Joni opened for Willie Nelson? Lots of Willie fans talking indeed. Joni as usual didn't try pleasing the crowd. That is part of why we love her, isn't it? Laurent Jill wrote: Finally, I did get to see Joni in '83 at Irvine Meadows Amphitheater (CA) and sat second row center. I think I cried through the entire concert, and then at the end threatened to punch out the two women sitting behind me who where criticizing her for playing new material. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:13:31 +0000 (UTC) From: "anne@sandstrom.com" Subject: Re: JoniFest Hi Steve, I don't want to oversell this, but when I read "I'm hoping the Jonifest might spark the creative feelings I used to have and am looking forward to relaxing and enjoying the excitement and music," I had to smile. Why? Because that's a little like hoping that you won't be too hungry after Thanksgiving dinner. :-) My only advice is to sleep before and plan to sleep after, but don't expect to sleep much DURING JoniFest. You just won't want to. OK, I'll stop now and let the magic unfold for you during 'Fest. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:59:36 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Jonifest JMDLers and especially ChuckE: I love y'all, man. Thanks to your generous contributions, I now have a full scholarship that will cover my stay at Jonifest. I'm getting there the old-fashioned way--driving from Seattle so I can bring some goodies--instruments and such. And yet, your kindness continues. ChuckE sent me a check for my first tank of gas at "Barangrill." Bless you, ChuckE. I have been bragging about your generosity to everyone I know. Your gift qualifies as one of the best random acts of kindness I've ever received. In return for all of this love, I'll do my best to fulfill my promise to Paz to take over as "the Human Jukebox" and do whatever I can to make this event fun for all of us. Anybody want to work on a song? I hear that I sing a mean harmony, I play guitar rather sadly, but I do know just about every tuning Joni ever came up with (or can figure it out). I may even bring a dulcimer. Love, Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:01:14 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc Norma Jean wrote: <> Oh, I totally agree. I love Native American culture, I've loved it since I was a young child. And I totallly get the whole "link with nature" lifestyle - such a beautiful, pure, natural way to live one's life. And I don't even have a problem with the ritualistic hallucinogenic drugs - I have the utmost respect for native cultures. Sometimes I wonder if I have a bit of Native American blood in me. Joni has some, and my grandmother's face looks almost identical to Joni's. Sure, this is much wishful (and probably delusional) thinking on my part; however, my grandmother's background has always been kept a secret from the family, not sure why - it is such a mystery. Regarding Castaneda, I think I just don't like the way his book is written - maybe the writing style - I dunno - it just seems like so many details that would be so pertinent and interesting have been left out. There are gaps or something in the writing, and I get the feeling some of his experiences are made up, but I can't really explain why I feel that. My problem. <> I take it you've been there? You are so fortunate! I've always wanted to explore the Andes. I'd love to hear more about your personal experiences there. My cousin, who married a Peruvian, recently had a baby. The family now refers to the baby as an "Inca Stinka" (tee hee). Mia _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft. Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:58:41 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest mean harmony, I play guitar rather sadly, but I do know just about every tuning Joni ever came up with (or can figure it out). I may even bring a dulcimer - ---------------------------- If you bring a dulcimer, will you teach me a bit on how to play it???????? I've been looking around for one.... - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:14:47 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest And....welcome aboard! I think EVERYONE should go to Jonifest. What could be better? I look forward to meeting you and hearing you play/sing! - -monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 16:54:12 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Fw=3A=20=27=38=33=20Concert=20at=20Irvin e=20Meadows=20and=20=38=37=20concert=20at=20pacific=20amphitheater?= hi all First of all i want to apologize for all the typos when i post. i never learned to type and i usually write late at night and can't see or don't care about what i post. so for those of you who have complain sloppy writing. sorry laurent wrote: - -"Was it the one where Joni opened for Willie Nelson? - -Lots of Willie fans talking indeed. Joni as usual didn't try pleasing the - -crowd. That is part of why we love her, isn't it?" ever the intrepid explorer, i'd say. that's a big part of my admiration for the lady. I was at that concert too - it was COWBOYS FOR INDIANS, joni always riding that range, like the games of her childhood. it was a benefit for justice for Leonard Peltier, an American Indian Movement activist, who many believe was framed by the FBI. Kris Kristofferson, willie, joni and many others played. It was at the Pacific Amphitheater, costa mesa in 1987. Joni's talked about it having been a stuck in traffic kinda day. I thought she and willie sang cool water that night. the audience was mostly not there to see her. but i remember wayne playing with her and my floating out after the show. and I was lucky enough to go to all three shows in the la area on her 83 tour. That was a long tour, beginning with the segment in japan and ending i think late in July. I thought joni played the same songs each night but in a different order. the night at irvine meadows was different. Joni seemed to be straining, fighting her way through the songs to. Right after " For Free" joni left the stage leaning on klein, only about 2/3 of the way though the show. there was no "heard it through the grapevine encore that night! remember the crowd booing--does this sound familiar jill? or anyone? somebody said the universal or irvine show was pretty choeorgraphed. imho that was due to klein. the band was actually wearing uniforms, black leather pants and white shirts. Then, she introduced klein as her husband. a big gasp from the crowd! how could this be so? i had heard she'd gotten married but DID NOT BELIEVE IT . crown and anchor joni? i never thought marriage was ever something she'd consider doing again. Do these recollections ring any bells? all so long ago before i realized i should write all things about joni down immediately. - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:05:31 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" To: Subject: Fw: '83 Concert at Irvine Meadows >Hi Laurent, >As I recall, the concert was an "only Joni" one--she was the headliner. The >women behind me were, I'm sure, "fans," but they >wanted Joni to keep her wings tucked in. Personally, I've always loved to >see her fly. If those fans had their way, we wouldn't have the great body of >material she's produced. Her work has a life of its own, IMHO. > >There were times that it took a bit of patience before I could "get it" >when new (and different) material came out, but it always worked its way >into my world, and my life is much richer for it. > >Pardonez mois for the gushing admiration--sometimes I just can't help >myself. > >Jill > >Jill also wrote: > >Finally, I did get to see Joni in '83 at Irvine Meadows Amphitheater (CA) >and sat second row center. I think I cried through the entire concert, and >then at the end threatened to punch out the two women sitting behind me who >where criticizing her for playing new material. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:43:33 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Joni=20memories=20not=20really=20jc?= what a great remininse. it's funny so many can totally visualize and remember the first time they heard joni. for me it was when i was i my bedroom supposedly doing marine biology homework, instead dancing around, listening to knx, a popular fm station in la, and i heard someone singing my beloved "clouds" and i thought badly mauling it. i waited to hear who had dared ruin that song- they announced joni mitchell. ( i'd always loved that songits words and the tune and had sung along from the bottom of my heart with judy collins. so so pret-ty! a little later i found out joni had written it and intrigued i began to explore the world with joni a guide. we all come and go unknown. god after my first soul shattering breakup how that resonated in my soul. - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:38:35 -0800 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" To: jmdl Subject: Joni moments this past week or so >Joni moment # 1: There was a short discussion here about the new Court and >Spark book and the author said he first heard Joni on AM Radio - the song >'Help Me'. Well that's how I first heard Joni - Help Me on AM radio - and >it was one of those pivotal little moments in life that send you on a >slightly different path than you would have been on without it. So that >made me smile. > >That day turned out to be a long one and I felt under the weather and was >exhausted, but I had to go to the pharmacy after work and I was dreading it >b/c I was so beat. So I dragged my butt into the CVS and stood there for a >moment trying to muster up some energy when "Help Me" came on over the loud >speaker and everything got much better after that. > >Joni moment #2: That weekend I whisked my better half up to Vermont for an >impromptu birthday celebration. We had a lovely time and I didn't want it >to end, so I was determined to take the back roads home. All of them. No >highways allowed. I put Hejira on and it was the perfect catalyst for an >hour or so of bliss. Winding roads I'd never been on before, a fresh cover >of snow, woods and farms, and new england main streets and the sun on it's >way to setting. > >For once I didn't sing along, I just listened. And the great thing about >Hejira is, even if you've listened to it for more than half your life, you >*still* hear a lyric you never heard before, or you understand a song in a >new way. Anyway, it was magical, and it's tough for me to capture in words >(need Mags or Lucy or someone like that) but i had to share that with people >that might actually understand the experience. > >Hejira and winter go hand and hand. Hm, if Hejira is winter, and HOSL is >summer, what is spring and what is autumn? > >Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:15:59 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=33=33=20=31=2F=33=20Court=20and=20Spark =20book?= obviously the writer loved joni's work and this little book will turn some people on to her talent and . that is cool and magical. BUT hey i wasn't enamoured either. with me it's a gut reaction thing. emotion. Joni's peak period? please. his thoughts just kept on coming - where was the space? breathy. Just like this train, not shaking into town but speeding away with you along. that's a hard style to master. some can and others need to edit. funny comment from the typo queen eh? seemed like a thesis or a master's i thought. nice tight focus analysis line by line. y'all read it and see where it leads you. i just wish joni would get around to writing her own book. - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:34:59 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" To: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book >From: "Richard Flynn" > >>I don't get it, Randy. Am I the only person who thought this book was >> dreadful? >> > >SO FAR - but most people haven't read it yet. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #53 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)