From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #49 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 14 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 049 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni and hip hop, my five pence [missblux@googlemail.com] Shadows and Light [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard... this week [Em ] Another JoniFest dream [PassScribe@aol.com] Saddest songs ["MIKE HICKS" ] Saddest songs ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Joni moments this past week or so ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] Re: Saddest songs [Em ] Re: Saddest songs [waytoblue@comcast.net] The Saddest Song [JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com] Re: Saddest songs [NormaJean ] Re: The Saddest Song [NormaJean ] Intro and saddest songs ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Saddest songs ["L. Bruce Vaughn" ] RE: Shadows and Light ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Saddest songs ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Saddest songs ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Saddest songs [hell@ihug.co.nz] RE: Saddest songs ["Richard Flynn" ] Shadows and Light ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Saddest songs [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Saddest songs [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Another JoniFest dream [Motitan@aol.com] Joni to work with.......? [Motitan@aol.com] Joni incorporates rap ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Joni moments this past week or so ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Shadows and Light [Michael Flaherty ] If I Could Only Remember My Name ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Another JoniFest dream [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni to work with.......? ["Evelyne Dubois" ] RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Joni to work with.......? ["Les Irvin" ] Saddest songs ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni to work with.......? ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: If I Could Only Remember My Name ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:46:36 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni and hip hop, my five pence Hi Kira, here is a long rant about Joni and hip hop, inspired by what you said below... I guess I got a bit carried away...! I can definitely see her incorporate rap. One of the things that always fascinated me about her singing, especially on Hejira, is how song comes flowing naturally from her as if she was just talking. Many of the lines in these songs sound more like 'talk' than 'poetry' to me. 'I went to Staten Island Sharon...' I am listening for the first time to Shadows and Light, the concert DVD, (thanks to Laurent!!), and there is a sequence where she kind of sings and talks at the same time, I don't know, maybe she raps? Does anyone know what the style is called? I don't know... I just think that the kind of poet she is I'd think she'd pay some attention to rap because some rappers are so eloquent with their words, and rap is spoken song and sung poetry at the same time. I am also thinking of her references to black culture. On the Shadows and Light DVD, there is a short sequence where she is dressed up as a black man, and there is that album cover where she is dressed like a 'brother'. I'm thinking of rap as not a recent phenomenon in music. When I listen to how smart someone like Louis Jordan is with his words (is you is or is you ain't my baby) I get the impression that juggling with words has deep roots in black culture. In any case, it would be fun if she reinvented herself as a hip-hopper!! The reactions on this list...! Yo man I see a black crow man.... Hehe Bene NP Louis Jordan Five guys named Moe - ------------------------- Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:35:18 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 Wow, so many things to comment on. I, for one, am scared to hear Joni incorporate hip-hop music. I don't see how this can possibly go well, but we'll see. - - - Kira Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:04:25 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Shadows and Light Hi, so there was a Jonifest taking place last Saturday afternoon in Hampstead, London! Participants were Laurent and his daughter Eve who some of you have heard singing, myself, and a man named Bob completed the picture, no Jonifest without one I guess! We spent a lovely sunny afternoon together, bought a lot of scarves(...), and I got my copy of Shadows and Light. I promised to tell Sherelle what I think of the music. I don't even know what to say.... It's VERY GOOD MUSIC! Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker together - they fly! They are so tuned together and so... I don't know, sometimes I want them to stop because it completely goes over my head. How can people play music like that??! I like her stage appearance. I suddenly understood why my friend who is a jazz singer used to insist on dressing very moderately on stage although she is really beautiful and could easily attract all the attention. She used to say that she wanted her voice to be one of the instruments, or something similar. She did not want to stand out any more than the sax or the bass. Same thing with Joni playing with these people: she shines, and its obviously her music, but the orchestra is not built up to lift her up on a pedestal. What a cool woman... Wow...! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:08:06 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard... this week - --- Evelyne Dubois wrote: > These ones did it for me this past week... > 3-Bloody mother fucking asshole (Martha Wainwright) her father's (the bloody MFing asshole) song "Red Guitar" has choked me up a time or two. Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:29:44 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Another JoniFest dream Hi, gang, I guess it must be on my subconscious mind but, for whatever reason, I just had another dream about the JoniFest. The last time, a couple of years ago, we were all gathered in a big old house on the North shore of LI, overlooking the LI sound. We were all sleeping on cots & sleeping bags throughout the rooms of the house; it was raining & the roof was leaking. Michael Paz was sleeping next to me and we kept moving our cots so the water leaking in would miss us. The best part was, Joni was THERE! Sleeping on a cot in the same room with us... weird, I know. This time, we were in another old house, somewhere near NYC, and one of the ladies in attendance was excited because she was relocating permanently to the area. The house was owned by an old man who everyone called "Grandpa," and once again, we were all sleeping on cots & sleeping bags throughout the various rooms. As we were trying to get to sleep, the soundtrack from Disney's "Fantasia" was playing on someone's CD player. No Joni present this time (maybe her cat was sick again ;-) Anyone into figuring out what dreams mean? See you all in six and a half weeks at the REAL JoniFest, Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:13:19 -0500 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: Saddest songs Haven't posted in about a year but couldn't resist this one, and I had to add some lyrics too if you don't mind. It's good for me. The saddest songs I could think of are: George Jones - He Stopped Loving Her Today He stopped loving her today They placed a wreath upon his door. And soon they'll carry him away He stopped loving her today. You know she came to see him one last time. Oh and we all wondered if she would. And it kept running through my mind This time he's over her for good. :( Genesis - Ripples The face in the water looks up and she shakes her head as if to say. That it's the last time you'll look like today. Ripples never come back, they've gone to the other side. Dive to the bottom and go to the top to see where they have gone. Oh, they've gone to the other side. Moody Blues - Melancholy Man. Mike NP - Imogen Heap Aiken County Schools ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:07:18 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Saddest songs I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. It's hard to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I could listen to them conveniently somewhere. Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring me to tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak - that I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. depressing songs: 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) Two Grey Rooms Prelude in E Minor (Chopin) Pacing the Cage (Bruce Cockburn) This is Baghdad (Bruce Cockburn) songs that choke me up: Little Green I Saw a Stranger with your Hair (John Gorka) Love at the Five and Dime (Nanci Griffith) Deadwood, South Dakota (sung by Nanci Griffith) Move on and Sunday from Sunday in the Park with George The Beautiful Creatures are Going Away (Bruce Cockburn) Simple This Farewell (Beth Amsel) Beth has a lot of songs that choke me up actually (disclaimer: she's my best friend). This song was written after she lost a loved one suddenly. It's a waltz. If you want to hear it: http://www.bethamsel.org/song_pages/kindling_8.html I know, I know, this sounds like a shameless plug. I swear it's just one of the saddest songs. Simple This Farewell I hear a sweet refrain through the open screen I feel the season's upon me again how long has it been? You come and wake me, you wake me again come out and haunt through this hour with me in the coolness of the evening I won't tell a soul that you're here No one will know After all you found me again nimble your fingers you pluck at my grief an empty heart beats with relief the blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again One look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell The blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again one look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:38:35 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Joni moments this past week or so Joni moment # 1: There was a short discussion here about the new Court and Spark book and the author said he first heard Joni on AM Radio - the song 'Help Me'. Well that's how I first heard Joni - Help Me on AM radio - and it was one of those pivotal little moments in life that send you on a slightly different path than you would have been on without it. So that made me smile. That day turned out to be a long one and I felt under the weather and was exhausted, but I had to go to the pharmacy after work and I was dreading it b/c I was so beat. So I dragged my butt into the CVS and stood there for a moment trying to muster up some energy when "Help Me" came on over the loud speaker and everything got much better after that. Joni moment #2: That weekend I whisked my better half up to Vermont for an impromptu birthday celebration. We had a lovely time and I didn't want it to end, so I was determined to take the back roads home. All of them. No highways allowed. I put Hejira on and it was the perfect catalyst for an hour or so of bliss. Winding roads I'd never been on before, a fresh cover of snow, woods and farms, and new england main streets and the sun on it's way to setting. For once I didn't sing along, I just listened. And the great thing about Hejira is, even if you've listened to it for more than half your life, you *still* hear a lyric you never heard before, or you understand a song in a new way. Anyway, it was magical, and it's tough for me to capture in words (need Mags or Lucy or someone like that) but i had to share that with people that might actually understand the experience. Hejira and winter go hand and hand. Hm, if Hejira is winter, and HOSL is summer, what is spring and what is autumn? Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:41:57 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Saddest songs On 2/13/07, Em wrote: > > yeah that one piece of footage of Stills singing "4 and 20", where > someone in the audience is kind of giving him a hard time...its real > old..not sure if its Woodstock or Monterey...anyway that REALLY got to > me at the time I don't think I've ever heard that Em. Would love to. I do recall have a cassette somewhere and Stephen is playing the intro to Black Queen, and someone is goofing around and Stephen says in his cranky drawl, 'One thing the Blues ain't..is funny'. And the crowd goes nuts. Maybe that's on the box set? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 06:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Saddest songs yeah that one piece of footage of Stills singing "4 and 20", where someone in the audience is kind of giving him a hard time...its real old..not sure if its Woodstock or Monterey...anyway that REALLY got to me at the time. Em - --- Jenny Goodspeed wrote: > I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. > It's hard > to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I > could > listen to them conveniently somewhere. > > Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring > me to > tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak > - that > I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. > > depressing songs: > 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:09:45 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: Saddest songs When I had my first acid trip in Mexico I was listening to Deja Vu in headphones and this song came on...it sounded so depressing and bleak. Victor > depressing songs: > 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:39:28 EST From: JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com Subject: The Saddest Song I Believe Easily the Saddest Tune Ever Written is a Track on one of Janis Ian's Unreleased Archive Series Cd's. Titled "Morning Alone, After You." She Writes For a Friend who had Lost Her Only Child. " People say I'm Crazy For Hanging on so Long But How can I Get Over You When Your Not Really Gone" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:29:10 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: Saddest songs I forgot to mention one of my all time favorite sad songs. Willie Nelson's, Turn Out The Lights. The original version from way back in the early Sixties. My siblings and I were enraptured with this sad "the party's over" song. We had it on a 45 and were stuck on that song over and over on that big stereo console for most of our childhood. ~We can't find the original version anymore Any help, anybody? Please! Maybe the original was just too country. But remember, I'm a country station constantly waving over to Willie. A Willie Nelson country wildflower. I'm also a little bit corny but I LOVE Willie most of all! My number 1 sweet, mean ol' daddy!!! Willie is most definitely in my blood like holy wine, eternally. I love my sweet mean ol' daddy like y'all cannot believe. I'm listening to his latest. There's this beautiful song called, 'Songbird.' It's a bittersweet song about true love which brings tears to my eyes and joy to my soul. And, I dedicate this song to Joni. It's just that in our dreams we fly and fly and fly, across raging rivers to reach the ones we love.. njeanne For you, there'll be no more cryin' For you, the sun will be shinin' And I feel that when I'm with you It's all right I know it's right... To you, I'll give the world To you To you, l'll give the world I'll never leave home Cause I feel that when I'm with you It's alright I know it's all right I give the world to you I never leave home Because I feel when I'm with you I know it's all right And the songbirds are singing like they know the score And I love you, I love you, I love you like never before And I wish you all the love of the world But most of all I wish it for myself And the songbirds keep singing like they know the score And I love you like never before.. I surely do love this twin sister of spirit, truth and beauty... ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 08:58:16 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: The Saddest Song This is most beautiful! I've always liked Janis Ian. Thank you! How true. One abortion can dry up the spirit and drench you with eternal pain It nearly did me in I tried to die with her After she was sucked out of me And I got so damn hurt when I heard Joni gave Kilauren up for adoption "Where was all the love you talk about, Joni?", I thought And I thought I'd leave her side when I found out But then I realized she was filled with more love than I could have ever been filled for her child For she let her baby girl live and I let my baby girl go from me straight to heaven without ever knowing her Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa, little girl I'm so sorry.. Please don't have abortions, girls. Be careful, all ye fair maidens. Believe me, abortions kill the soul faster than the speed of sound ~Cause I feel when I'm with you, little girl It's all right And I love you, I love you, I love you, little girl, like never before.. And I wish you all the love in the world But most of all I wish this love for myself and for my lost little green... And for you, there'll be no cryin' And for you the Son's always shinin' His radiant glory... And I love you, I love you, I LOVE YOU, My Little Green Like never, ever before,,, You're in me like holy wine.. And your spirit feels so very tender and so bitter and so very sweet,, And that's just the way it is, little darlin'.. My very own little green... Way up in the sky, little darlin'.. :(:::::: me, with Joni and Rickie Lee and those eternally flowin' tears and fears.. - --- JOSEPHBMCGOWAN@aol.com wrote: > I Believe Easily the Saddest Tune Ever Written is a > Track on one of Janis > Ian's > Unreleased Archive Series Cd's. Titled "Morning > Alone, After You." She Writes > For a Friend who had Lost Her Only Child. > > " People say I'm Crazy > For Hanging on so Long > But How can I Get Over You > When Your Not Really Gone" > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:14:12 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Intro and saddest songs Hi everyone, and thank you Lori and Kate for encouring me to take part in the discussions. Lori asked for an introduction so here it is: I am in Sweden (where Joni wasn't that well known in the sixties and seventies but received the Polar prize some years ago, anyway). My first encounter with Joni's music was in England in 1970, when a newfound friend played the album Clouds. I was completely taken by the words, the music and Joni's voice and way of singing. And that's the way it still is. As for the saddest songs poll on this list I must say that I find it very hard to chose from Joni's songs since she has written so many really moving ones. But I can pick out the saddest lines. They are from Down to you: oh, love is gone written on your spirit this sad song love is gone. If you take the word love in these lines to refer to more than just romantic love the feeling of sad emptiness can nearly make your heart stop beating. Yet, I don't feel that Joni's sad songs are depressing since they always have some comforting element, something that tells you she (and therefore you, too) can work through it all. It's down to you. Other sad songs I play repeatedly are: So long, Marianne (Leonard Cohen) Hey, that's no way to say goodbye (LC) Bright eyes (Art Garfunkel) Smoke and ashes (Tracy Chapman) Okay, this is a bit long, so bye for now. I do enjoy this list! Marion ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 10:37:45 -0700 From: "L. Bruce Vaughn" Subject: Re: Saddest songs Glad to see someone mention Emmylou. One could compile a great sad songs list just from her back catalogue but a personal favorite is A River For Him from her much overlooked album Bluebird. This one she wrote herself and it will really make you feel. Harris doesn't talk about her personal life much but I suspect this one had to do with the end of her marriage to songwriter Paul Kennerly. Then if one can find a reasonably priced and decently mastered copy of her album White Shoes, she does a cover of Donna Summer's On The Radio where she totally transforms the track into something Ms. Summer only dared dream it could be (and no I'm not knocking Ms. Summer at all, other than she doesn't seem to want to record anymore). Bruce in AZ >Off the top of my head: > >Most of "Blue" > >Emmy Lou Harris's version of "No >Regrets" > >Damien Rice: Lots, but I'll just go with "The Blower's Daughter" >Ricki Lee Jones's version of "Coming Back to Me" > >Jane Siberry: It Won't Rain >all the Time > >so many more .... > >Michael Flaherty >_____________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new >Mail arrives. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:50:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Shadows and Light Dear Bene, Thanks so much for letting me know what you think of Shadows and Light! I'm so happy you feel the same way I do about it! Yes! Jaco and Michael do fly together and Pat and Don's solos are heavenly! A friend I made in West Virginia was at one of those shows that was taped. He said that the sound of the Persuasions and Joni together singing "Shadows and Light" was absolutely unbelieveable! He said you had to be there to truly feel how intense that song was! Of course he had me drooling because this is my dream concert. For me, a show doesn't get any better than this one! I'm so happy that your Jonifest went well! Claudia San Soucie had a mini one when Michael Paz stopped in Baltimore last week and it was nice as well! Love, Sherelle >From: missblux@googlemail.com > >Hi, > >so there was a Jonifest taking place last Saturday afternoon in >Hampstead, London! Participants were Laurent and his daughter Eve who >some of you have heard singing, myself, and a man named Bob completed >the picture, no Jonifest without one I guess! > >We spent a lovely sunny afternoon together, bought a lot of >scarves(...), and I got my copy of Shadows and Light. > >I promised to tell Sherelle what I think of the music. I don't even >know what to say.... > >It's VERY GOOD MUSIC! Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker together - >they fly! They are so tuned together and so... I don't know, sometimes >I want them to stop because it completely goes over my head. How can >people play music like that??! > >I like her stage appearance. I suddenly understood why my friend who >is a jazz singer used to insist on dressing very moderately on stage >although she is really beautiful and could easily attract all the >attention. She used to say that she wanted her voice to be one of the >instruments, or something similar. She did not want to stand out any >more than the sax or the bass. Same thing with Joni playing with these >people: she shines, and its obviously her music, but the orchestra is >not built up to lift her up on a pedestal. What a cool woman... > >Wow...! > >Benedicte _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:00:29 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Saddest songs I think I told this story here before, but in 1966, when I was 11, I learned "The Circle Game" off of Ian & Sylvia's _So Much for Dreaming_ album. I played it for my mother, who burst into tears. Thereafter, she'd always ask me to play it and always cry when I did, till one day I said, "No, I don't want to play that. It always makes you cry." - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jenny Goodspeed Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:07 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Saddest songs I love how this thread is drawing everyone out, lurkers and all. It's hard to grasp the sadness just reading lyrics people are sending. Wish I could listen to them conveniently somewhere. Some songs choke me up - some of them aren't even sad they just bring me to tears for some reason. Then there are the songs that are just bleak - that I almost don't want to hear because they are just plain depressing. depressing songs: 4 and 20 (Stephen Stills) Two Grey Rooms Prelude in E Minor (Chopin) Pacing the Cage (Bruce Cockburn) This is Baghdad (Bruce Cockburn) songs that choke me up: Little Green I Saw a Stranger with your Hair (John Gorka) Love at the Five and Dime (Nanci Griffith) Deadwood, South Dakota (sung by Nanci Griffith) Move on and Sunday from Sunday in the Park with George The Beautiful Creatures are Going Away (Bruce Cockburn) Simple This Farewell (Beth Amsel) Beth has a lot of songs that choke me up actually (disclaimer: she's my best friend). This song was written after she lost a loved one suddenly. It's a waltz. If you want to hear it: http://www.bethamsel.org/song_pages/kindling_8.html I know, I know, this sounds like a shameless plug. I swear it's just one of the saddest songs. Simple This Farewell I hear a sweet refrain through the open screen I feel the season's upon me again how long has it been? You come and wake me, you wake me again come out and haunt through this hour with me in the coolness of the evening I won't tell a soul that you're here No one will know After all you found me again nimble your fingers you pluck at my grief an empty heart beats with relief the blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again One look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell The blue dome above I would gladly give in for your company again one look from you and I'll know one word from you and I need nothing more no nothing simple, this farewell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:01:11 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Saddest songs OK, OK! Today's list in no particular order: "Loving You Again" - (written by Roger Ferris) as done by Emmylou Harris. "Old Folks" - (Jaques Brel) as done by Michael Johnson "857-5413" - Greg Brown "Strange Fruit" - John Martyn's version is particularly painful. "Ruby's Arms" and "Train Song" - Tom Waits (I've always thought of these two songs as one) "Beloved Wife" - Natalie Merchant "Lush and Green" - Paul Westerberg aka Grandpaboy "The Angel in the House" - The Story "Late for the Sky" - Jackson Browne "Frank's Song" - Stryngs "Promises" - Lyle Lovett ..and you know there may be more. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 07:34:18 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Saddest songs Jenny wrote: > I don't think I've ever heard that Em. Would love > to. I do recall have a cassette somewhere and > Stephen is playing the intro to Black Queen, and > someone is goofing around and Stephen says in his > cranky drawl, 'One thing the Blues ain't..is > funny'. And the crowd goes nuts. Maybe that's > on the box set? Yep, it's on the box set. On the subject of sad songs, here's one of my top (bottom?) 10 - all the more poignant when you know Graham wrote it the day he and Joni split up... Simple Man - Graham Nash I am a simple man So I sing a simple song Never been so much in love And never hurt so bad at the same time. I am a simple man And I play a simple tune I wish that I could see you once again Across the room like the first time. I just want to hold you I don't want to hold you down I hear what you're saying and you're spinning my head around And I can't make it alone. The ending of the tale Is the singing of the song Make me proud to be your man only you can make me strong Like the last time. I just want to hold you I don't want to hold you down I hear what you're saying and you're spinning my head around And I can't make it alone. More from my sad songs list still to come... Hell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:55:05 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Saddest songs Speaking of Emmylou, for a long time, I would cry whenever I heard "Boulder to Birmingham." Also her version of Danny Flowers's "Before Believing." I was pretty obsessed with Emmylou. Post-Gram and pre-"Pieces of Sky," I saw her countless times at local DC clubs: CHildre Harold, Red Fox Inn, Mr Henry's Tenley Circle. She has heartbreak built into that still-lovely voice of hers. NP Lucinda Williams _West_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:23:45 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Shadows and Light Incidentally, this is one of the few soundboards from that tour, currently on dimeadozen Laurent JONI MITCHELL FOREST HILLS TENNIS STADIUM FOREST HILLS,NY AUGUST 25,1979 Joni Mitchell Electric Guitar, Piano Don Alias Drums, Percussion Michael Brecker Sax Lyle Mays Keyboards Pat Metheny Lead Guitar Jaco Pastorius Bass The Persuasions Vocals ** CD1 1-BIG YELLOW TAXI 2-JUST LIKE THIS TRAIN 3-IN FRANCE THEY KISS ON MAIN STREET 4-COYOTE 5-EDITH AND THE KINGPIN 6-FREE MAN IN PARIS 7-GOODBYE PORKPIE HAT 8-THE DRY CLEANER FROM DES MOINES 9-AMELIA > 10-PAT'S SOLO ( FADES OUT ) CD2 1-HEJIRA 2-DREAMLAND 3-BLACK CROW 4-FURRY SINGS THE BLUES 5-TALK 6-GOD MUST BE A BOOGIE MAN 7-RAISED ON ROBBERY 8-BAND INTROS 9-SHADOWS AND LIGHT ** 10-THE LAST TIME I SAW RICHARD 11-WHY DO FOOLS FALL IN LOVE ** 12-WOODSTOCK ( FADES OUT ) SB UNKNOWN LINEAGE > REEL > M-AUDIO TRANSIT > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:09:48 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Saddest songs From: L. Bruce Vaughn >>>Glad to see someone mention Emmylou. One could compile a great sad songs list just from her back catalogue but a personal favorite is A River For Him from her much overlooked album Bluebird. This one she wrote herself and it will really make you feel. No Regrets is also on Bluebird, if anyone is keeping score. That's my favorite Emmylou album (not that I've heard anywhere near all of them). Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:12:40 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest songs On the subject of sad songs, here's one of my top (bottom?) 10 - all the more poignant when you know Graham wrote it the day he and Joni split up... Simple Man - Graham Nash - -------------------------------- I love this song. It really kills me to listen to it. I always have to get ready "mentally" before I put it on. It's so simple and so sad and yet says more than you would think. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:12:57 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Another JoniFest dream Anyone into figuring out what dreams mean? See you all in six and a half weeks at the REAL JoniFest, - ------------------------ I love dreams and that sort of thing but I'm not too good at figuring them out. They fascinate me. I've even got a dreams book but its very vague and usually doesn't help much anyway. Perhaps your dream means you have an obsession with your Mother. Freud would say so anyhow, haha! See you at Jonifest! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:14:00 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni to work with.......? Ok, well Joni hasn't "collaborated" with too many people (Mingus and so forth). She's worked with people sure, bounced ideas off them, but has only collaborated with a few people. Songwriters are independent creatures I think. Anyway, this being said, and since she's writing again, is there anyone you would like to see her work/collaborate with today? Not that she needs to but I'm just throwing it out there. Why? - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:28:39 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni incorporates rap Since Joni has said negative things about rap in the past, it's hard to imagine that she's using it in the new collection. I hope she brought in a rapper. That's how Mike Timmins added rap to "I Don't Want To Be A Soldier" and it worked. On the other hand, there's a song on contemporary country where the 'singer' tries to rap and he sounds exactly like a bad radio commercial. Joni knows how to expand her palette without ruining the painting. I hope she's not rusty but then, she's had a fantastic album after a hiatus before. Can you believe it's been 9 years since "Taming The Tiger" (1998)? Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:52:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni moments this past week or so Spring is CLOUDS. Autumn is MINGUS (slow fade to black). That thread about depressing songs doesn't tempt me at all. I guess I'm in a good place now... or maybe just superstitious. Jim L. Jenny Goodspeed asked, >Hejira and winter go hand and hand. Hm, if Hejira is winter, and HOSL is summer, what is spring and what is autumn?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:36 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni to work with.......? Well Monika, it's a good question, but if I had my choice, I'd prefer Joni with just her guitar (and not that horrible sounding VG8) or, even better, the piano. I think she could do some interesting collaboration with Bjork, perhaps. It would also be interesting for her to do something with a modern classical composer, maybe Arvo Paart. I have not really taken to the symphonic stuff on Travelogue, but would have liked to have heard her works fleshed out with an orchestra without that plodding, bombastic orchestration. Ken - -----Original Message----- From: Motitan@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Joni to work with.......? Ok, well Joni hasn't "collaborated" with too many people (Mingus and so forth). She's worked with people sure, bounced ideas off them, but has only collaborated with a few people. Songwriters are independent creatures I think. Anyway, this being said, and since she's writing again, is there anyone you would like to see her work/collaborate with today? Not that she needs to but I'm just throwing it out there. Why? - -Monika ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 18:52:45 -0500 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Joni moments this past week or so well thank you for chiming in jim. i was prepared to have yet another post go out into the ethernet all by it's lonesome. hey my therapist says that's good for me though. helps me grow a thicker skin in the face of rejection (kidding, i don't have a therapist...anymore). good suggestions. i was thinking Clouds or LOTC for Spring. But I get stuck on autumn. I wouldn't have thought of Mingus, but now I'll have to go give that a listen. jenny On 2/13/07, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > > Spring is CLOUDS. Autumn is MINGUS (slow fade to black). > > That thread about depressing songs doesn't tempt me at all. I guess I'm > in > a good place now... or maybe just superstitious. > > Jim L. > > Jenny Goodspeed asked, > >Hejira and winter go hand and hand. Hm, if Hejira is winter, and HOSL is > summer, what is spring and what is autumn?> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:43:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni moments this past week or so Well, it's not like the JMDL is hurting for lack of posts - dang, it's as busy as it's been in a long time, and I'm loving it. Especially all the new voices. But since you're my pal and shamelessly begging for feedback, I'll chime in and say that I really liked what you said about every listen to Hejira revealing something new - I was totally wagging my head up and down like a bobblehead in the backseat while reading that comment. Bob NP: Claire Martin, "Black Crow" (awesome!) _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:53:38 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Shadows and Light >>Incidentally, this is one of the few soundboards from that tour, currently on dimeadozen Laurent I saw that. With Pat and Jaco's solos cut, I to decided to pass it by. Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: If I Could Only Remember My Name Coming out Thursday from Rhino. Hope there is loads of Joni content on the DVD: DAVID CROSBY If I Could Only Remember My Name (Deluxe Edition) $24.98 CD A deluxe two-disc CD/DVD reissue of the Rock Hall of Famer's classic 1971 solo debut. Includes the previously unreleased "Kids And Dogs" (featuring Jerry Garcia on guitar), 5.1 mixes, and rare video footage. Songwriter, rock icon, social justice activist, and master of harmony, David Crosby is a two-time Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, inducted as a member of both The Byrds and Crosby, Stills & Nash. His resume also includes a decades-long solo career, multiple albums with Graham Nash, and a wealth of jazz-flavored work with CPR, the trio Crosby formed with his son James Raymond in 1995. A native Californian, Crosby began his storied career in the coffee house scene of the early 1960s and went on to influence the sound of country rock, the face of the Woodstock generation, and the vocal techniques employed by the Grateful Dead on such classics as Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:57:44 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Just finished this, and recommend it highly. Normally I don't like song-by-song review type books, but the author has lots of insights into the themes and meanings Joni had for these songs, some no doubt his own imagining. He also delves into the lyrical content of songs from Blue and FTR along the way. He considers "Down To You" the pinnacle of Joni's artistry, and has little praise for her later period. I'm a music-first person, so it was fun to read such well written views from a lyrics- first person. It gives me a new respect for what David Crosby says, that when the dust settles, she will be...well,,,dusty I guess, but head and shoulders above her contemporaries. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:50:02 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Another JoniFest dream In a message dated 2/13/07 5:12:57 PM, Motitan writes: > Anyone into figuring out what dreams mean? > See you all in six and a half weeks at the REAL JoniFest, > ------------------------ > I love dreams and that sort of thing but I'm not too good at figuring them > out. They fascinate me. I've even got a dreams book but its very vague and > usually doesn't help much anyway. Perhaps your dream means you have an > obsession with your Mother. Freud would say so anyhow, haha! See you at > Jonifest! > -Monika > > Odd that you should say that, as I HAVE been thinking a great deal about my mom recently, and how much more I miss her lately, since she passed away in 1980. I've been researching my family roots and writing a book about my findings. But my dreams of JoniFests seem to revolve around the attendees sharing rooms in a big house, so I've probably got this theme stuck in my brain since many people DO share rooms at Full Moom Resort, in large old houses/buildings. I wish the dreams would progress to where everyone plays the music so I'd at least have some entertainment before I wake up. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:14:37 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Joni to work with.......? Not that I would know much about it from the inside but I yeah it make sense to me, songwriters/poets are independent "creatures" :-) or maybe I just like to think so ... Still, collaborations, the melting of personal colours between brilliant souls can bring out wonders as was the case with Joni and JP. I wouldn't mind seing a Joni - Cassandra Wilson collaboration. Actually, wasn't there a rumour about this tandem a few years ago? If not (I haven't checked the jmdl library.. ), it probably just seemed a good idea to me. Evelyne. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 5:14 PM Subject: Joni to work with.......? > Ok, well Joni hasn't "collaborated" with too many people (Mingus and so > forth). She's worked with people sure, bounced ideas off them, but has only > collaborated with a few people. Songwriters are independent creatures I think. > Anyway, this being said, and since she's writing again, is there anyone you > would like to see her work/collaborate with today? Not that she needs to but > I'm just throwing it out there. Why? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:29:47 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book I don't get it, Randy. Am I the only person who thought this book was dreadful? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:58 PM Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book Just finished this, and recommend it highly. Normally I don't like song-by-song review type books, but the author has lots of insights into the themes and meanings Joni had for these songs, some no doubt his own imagining. He also delves into the lyrical content of songs from Blue and FTR along the way. He considers "Down To You" the pinnacle of Joni's artistry, and has little praise for her later period. I'm a music-first person, so it was fun to read such well written views from a lyrics- first person. It gives me a new respect for what David Crosby says, that when the dust settles, she will be...well,,,dusty I guess, but head and shoulders above her contemporaries. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:32:08 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Joni to work with.......? From: Evelyne Dubois >I wouldn't mind seing a Joni - Cassandra Wilson collaboration. >Actually, wasn't there a rumour about this tandem a few years ago? Yes, they've already collaborated! On an interview, that is. http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=96 I would certainly agree that the two would make a great musical collaboration. Cassandra and Bjork (gasp!?) are two of the few musical artists these days that (to me) are pushing the boundaries - much like Joni did in the 70's. Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:48:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Saddest songs How could I forget- Long Ride Home by Patty Griffin (hi Les). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:03:14 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Joni to work with.......? Very interesting article, thank you for pointing it out Les (hmm...reminds me I should use the library tool more often). So Joni-Cassandra does make sense don't it! Unfortunately, we can only fantasise about what the end-product would sound like . The article mentions Joni and Brian Blade working on an album, a "drums-only" accompaniment that should have been released sometime in Feb of 97... heuuu, did I miss something ??!! or would this be Joni collaborating on some Blade production? (I'm not familiar with his works). "... Mitchell's latest work involves drums-only accompaniment. With her arsenal of created guitar timings, she and Brian Blade (That's right, Joshua Redman's drummer) have formed a music both spare and florid, improvisational even as it surrounds that inimitable voice, (Untitled at presstime, the album is scheduled for a February release date.)..." Note: For some reason I would imagine a Cassandra-Bjork tandem to be more obvious than a Joni-Bjork tandem, but then again, i'd love to be suprised otherwise ! Evelyne. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: RE: Joni to work with.......? > From: Evelyne Dubois > >I wouldn't mind seing a Joni - Cassandra Wilson collaboration. > >Actually, wasn't there a rumour about this tandem a few years ago? > > Yes, they've already collaborated! On an interview, that is. > http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=96 > > I would certainly agree that the two would make a great musical > collaboration. Cassandra and Bjork (gasp!?) are two of the few musical > artists these days that (to me) are pushing the boundaries - much like Joni > did in the 70's. > > Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:28:40 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: If I Could Only Remember My Name From: "Gerald A. Notaro" > Coming out Thursday from Rhino. Hope there is loads of Joni content on the > DVD: > A deluxe two-disc CD/DVD reissue of the Rock Hall of Famer's classic 1971 > solo debut. Includes the previously unreleased "Kids And Dogs" (featuring > Jerry Garcia on guitar), 5.1 mixes, and rare video footage. It actually came out in early November. Rhino did some funny things. Like saying there is video when there is not; only a few photos (and none of Joan). They labled the disc HDCD but buyers have reported that the CD doesn't play as HDCD on the appropriate player. Also, for some odd reason, the engineer (intentionally, I've heard) decided to do the surround mix without a sub (bass) channel, so it's really a 5.0 mix. I don't have the setup for surround, anyway, (maybe they gave Joni her own channel for her vocal cameo on "Laughing"), but the hi rez dvd-audio sounds mighty fine, and the new song is a low-key, rough-hewn delight. This is such a great album-also Croz' "Voyage" box which I have only begun to explore, which has a whole disc of unreleased stuff, and a thick CD sized book-some Joni mention, verifying that they were lovers, sailing around Florida and swapping notes on weird guitar tunings. Also Croz saying that "Guinnevere" was about 3 women, Joni's verse is the last, she "had golden hair"....I thought for sure she drew pentagrams! RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:34:59 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: 33 1/3 Court and Spark book From: "Richard Flynn" >I don't get it, Randy. Am I the only person who thought this book was > dreadful? > SO FAR - but most people haven't read it yet. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #49 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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