From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #48 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 13 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 048 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Album covers [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Edith and The 10 Saddest Songs I've Ever Heard [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: Album covers [Em ] big yellow taxi ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 [Snapple1984@aol.com] Carjacking alert [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] Re: Album Covers [Wtking59@cs.com] Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot [Catherine McKay ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #47 [Kate Johnson ] Re: For The Roses for the hippies? ["Marion Leffler" ] Re: Album covers ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Album covers ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Album covers [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc [NormaJean ] Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc [NormaJean ] Re: Album covers ["Randy Remote" ] Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" [Susan Guzzi] Re: Album covers [hell@ihug.co.nz] Re: Album covers [Deb Messling ] Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard [kjhsf@aol.com] Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard... this week ["Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Album covers Ooh Monika. I like this subject. As CD cover designing is my hobby, I'd like to weigh in on this one. Although I love Joni's art, her best album cover is Blue. The photograph (taken by Henry Diltz I believe) is simple and captures a moment so well that must have spoken to him of the mood of that album. It sure captures it for me. The darkness and the strain on Joni's face. It was apparently a photograph of Joni performing on stage. I have a copy of it which includes the microphone stand. To me, it is one of the most recognisable album covers in history and one of the most striking. Mark in Sydney On 12/02/2007, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Album covers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:42:41 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: Edith and The 10 Saddest Songs I've Ever Heard Usually it's the words, but sometimes just the impossibly beautiful-gloomy music. Funny how almost all these lists are dominated by women: I guess we menfolk don't do naked honesty quite so profoundly. In no particular order (and I was damned hard-pressed not to include 10 Jonis: Planet Joni has always seemed such a sad place.) Joni - Edith and The Kingpin - "You know they dare not look away..." Joni - Harry's House/Centrepiece - "Paper their walls, to keep their gut reactions hid" Joni - Don't Interrupt The Sorrow - "It takes a heart like Mary's these days when your man gets weak" Laura Nyro - I Am The Blues - sadder than a miserable Basset Hound who's just learned he has to have his ears lopped off Eddie Hinton - I Can't Be Me - how DO you recapture the you when that you has been spurned? Rickie Lee Jones - Livin' It Up - nostalgia was never so bittersweet Fleetwood Mac - Gypsy - self-knowing girl from wrong side of tracks meets Lindsay Buckingham's chillingly-plaintive guitar chimes on the darkest of winter nights The Who - The Song Is Over - after denial, eventually, comes acceptance Todd Rundgren - Past - It's a dangerous place Bobby Goldsboro - Honey - I know. But losing your partner to the Grim Reaper, I would imagine, is immeasurably worse than being spurned. Probably best described as being spiritually raped, I should imagine. Do you ever get over it? I hope I never find out. Love Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Album covers gotta heave forth a "me too". "Blue" is such a distinctive album cover. Spot it from a mile away. Em - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Ooh Monika. I like this subject. As CD cover designing is my hobby, > I'd > like to weigh in on this one. Although I love Joni's art, her best > album cover is Blue. The photograph (taken by Henry Diltz I believe) > is > simple and captures a moment so well that must have spoken to him of > the mood of that album. It sure captures it for me. The darkness and > the strain on Joni's face. It was apparently a photograph of Joni > performing on stage. I have a copy of it which includes the > microphone > stand. To me, it is one of the most recognisable album covers in > history and one of the most striking. > > Mark in Sydney > > On 12/02/2007, at 7:00 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > > > Album covers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:49:23 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: big yellow taxi first period today: some of my eighth grade boys requested Big Yellow Taxi today. . they insisted I play it over and over. . one of them went to the radio and turned it up loud (disrespectful) : -) _________________________________________________________________ Search for grocery stores. Find gratitude. Turn a simple search into something more. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_gratitude&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:35:18 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2007 #64 Wow, so many things to comment on. I, for one, am scared to hear Joni incorporate hip-hop music. I don't see how this can possibly go well, but we'll see. As a child of the 90s, I really do like the cover of Song to a Seagull, to me, it seems very 60s, psychadelic and cool. I also really like the cover of Hissing of Summer Lawns. I did like the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, but I'm a little unsure of it now after hearing that "shuck and jive" is a term for the way Black people move/talk. This seems a bit borderline to me. I have more to say but I have to go. ttys - - Kira Lesley ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:10:44 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Carjacking alert Return-Path: Received: from mblk-d17 (mblk-d17.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.9]) by ciaaol-m01.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLM014-ec3345cfb7ff182; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 References: To: jenniferclinger@yahoo.com, Av8r57@aol.com, bluefortheroses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: (no subject) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: babyg5455@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 71.87.190.70 by mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:42:39 -0500 Message-Id: <8C91C55D4FFDDCB-D28-6839@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - -----Original Message----- From: Olwarior@aol.com To: ACPD16@Bellsouth.net; agape70@bell Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:10 AM Subject: (no subject) Subject: A new way of car jacking. NO JOKE!! > > Subject: FW: Fw: A warning from Highway Patrol] > >> > > >> > I thought everyone should know about this. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > BEWARE OF PAPER IN THE BACK WINDOW > >> > OF YOUR VEHICLE > >> > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:15 AM > >> > Subject: NEW WAY TO DO CAR JACKINGS > >> > > >> > (NOT A JOKE) > >> > > >> > Heads up everyone! > >> > Please, keep this circulating... > >> > You walk across the parking lot, unlock >your car and > >> > get inside. > >> > You start the engine and shift into >Reverse. > >> > > >> > When you look into the rearview mirror to >back out of > >> > your parking space, you notice a piece of >paper stuck > >> > to the middle of the rear window. 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Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:12:50 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Return-Path: Received: from mblk-d17 (mblk-d17.mblk.aol.com [205.188.149.9]) by ciaaol-r03.mx.aol.com (v114_r3.2) with ESMTP id MAILCIAAOLR037-cc8545cfb68728b; Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 References: To: Olwarior@aol.com, jenniferclinger@yahoo.com, Av8r57@aol.com, bluefortheroses@aol.com Subject: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: babyg5455@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 23546 Received: from 71.87.190.70 by mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com (205.188.149.9) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 Message-Id: <8C91C54F4E645A1-D28-67FE@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> X-AOL-IP: 205.188.149.9 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c-p1 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain - -----Original Message----- From: Olwarior@aol.com To: ACPD16@Bellsouth.net; agape70@bell Sent: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:35 PM Subject: They should be deported or better yet shot You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. 03/28/06: The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at Montebello High School in California. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo) I predict this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington . The image of the American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail. Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be "redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus one......... The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually mean something, however, hasn't even begun. If this ticks YOU off....PASS IT ON! ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:39:17 EST From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: Album Covers My personal favorite album covers of Joni's has got to be 'Hejira' (Cassy--I also have the original promo poster--dry-mounted and framed directly over my bed). However, I'm not as crazy about the disc itself, but that's another discussion. :-o Granted, the classic cover shot CAN be viewed as being a bit "overdone," I suppose, but I've always loved it. I also feel like it's not only one of her best, most flattering photographs (probably shot in late '75 or early '76 when Joni was all of 32-years-old), but one of the all-time best portrait photo's by ANYone famous in the arts. Which reminds me of a question I've been wondering about: Were the photos for 'Hejira' taken by Norman Seeff, or did Joel Bernstein take the actual shots (w/Seeff merely arranging them into the collage we all know and love)? Personally, I thought for years that Mr. Seeff took the photos himself, but others have stated that Bernstein actually shot them, so now I'm a bit confused. Does anyone know for sure? My second favorite album cover of Joni's would have to be 'Court and Spark' (also one of my all-time favorite albums), while honorable mentions include 'Turbulent Indigo' and maybe 'Chalk Mark In a Rain Storm' (gotta love those lips--LOL). And just for the record, my LEAST favorite covers are 'Dog Eat Dog,' 'For the Roses' (brilliant album, though), 'Blue' (ditto) and 'Song to a Seagull/Joni Mitchell.' XXXOOO, Billy NP: 'Martinis & Bikinis' (1994) by Sam Phillips ======================================== Motitan@aol.com asked: >>>What is your favorite album cover of Joni's?<<< Siquomb@Comcast.net (Cassy) replied: >>>I have two favorites. 'Hejira' (the original framed poster hangs on my living room wall) and 'Dog Eat Dog' because I love her use of light and mixed media.< << ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fwd: They should be deported or better yet shot Why are you forwarding this stuff to the jmdl list? You may think it's appropriate for some reason, even if I don't, but, at the very least, mark it njc. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:18:41 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni and bandwidth [This really has no Joni content, but I wanted this to go to as many JMDLers as possible] JoniMitchell.com and JMDL.com have become relatively high-traffic sites these days, you go Joni! Together, they are pulling in nearly 5,000 unique visitors each day. As you computer techies will know, this puts considerable strain on one's bandwidth. Having never asked for money on the list I'll not start now, but I am asking if anyone out there has any bandwidth they can spare. Ideally, I'd like to place a file or two in your webspace to help keep my costs down. If you don't know what I'm talking about, that's a good indication that you can just delete this message. Otherwise, please email me off list if you think you can help! Many thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:54:35 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #47 On 12-Feb-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >>>> victor asked >>>>> So what about you guys? What're your favorite tearjerkers? For me it's Joni's Little Green. And it's not just the lyrics ... it's the way she sings them. When she sings "someday there'll be soooooorrow..." I know she is singing of her own sorrow at the loss of her little girl ... it pierces right to my heart. Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 20:00:02 +0100 From: "Marion Leffler" Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet but I just have to say that I totally agree, Joni never made any hippie album (and yes, I am old enought to remember the sixties). Then again, it could be discussed what defines "hippie music"? The Byrds came pretty close, I think...And some of Joni's songs could certainly qualify, for example Woodstock and Roses Blue. But never an entire album, and she had definitely grown out of the hippie scene by Blue. Love to you all, Marion - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deb Messling" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:00 AM Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? >I never thought of FTR as a hippie album. it's way too sad, and I don't >think of melancholy as being part of hippie culture. If I had to name any >Joni album as a hippie album, I'd pick Clouds. But frankly, I think that >most people who use "Joni Mitchell" and "hippie" in the same sentence >haven't listened to her music, at least not carefully. > > > > At 01:33 PM 2/10/2007, you wrote: >> FTR was on the >>list, and Joni's only appearance on the list. So is FTR a hippie album >>more than >>any other album? Is it even a hippie album? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:55:59 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Shuck and jive > I did like the cover of Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, but I'm a little unsure > of it now after hearing that "shuck and jive" is a term for the way Black > people move/talk. This seems a bit borderline to me. Kira, what are you unsure about? "Shuck and jive" was included in the lyrics to "The Jungle Line," which is on The Hissing of Summer Lawns. Joni dressed up as a black man on the cover of DJRD. How are those two things related? Remember, too, that THOSL (I put that "T" there just for you, Lama) was released in 1975, and DJRD was released in 1977. Hardly times of political correctness. But tell us more about how you're seeing these elements. It's good fuel for discussion. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:11:41 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Album covers Em wrote: > gotta heave forth a "me too". "Blue" is such a distinctive album cover. > Spot it from a mile away. For sheer "spot-it-from-a-mile-away" points, there's the cover of Shadow Play by L.A. Express. Joni drew the cover, and I literally spotted it across a used record store in Tempe, AZ in 1979 or so. It remains one of my favorite Joni covers, although it is not the cover of one of her own records. (She did contribute a vocal to the first track.) http://sudo.3.pro.tok2.com/Quest/cards/L/LAExpress/ShadowPlay.jpg Otherwise, my favorites are Hejira, for the reasons everyone else has mentioned (plus the fun and mysterious is-it-an-arm or is-it-a-penis element), and Court and Spark, for the simplicity of its lines. That album cover is worthy of framing. I particularly love the original cover for its raised texture. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 12:59:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Album covers Hell wrote: > I would add to this category of non-Joni Joni album covers, > the cover of CSNY's compilation, So Far. It's one of my > favourite album covers ever, and I think Joni "distilled" > the character and personality of each member perfectly with > each line drawing, not to mention the background images, eg. > water for Crosby, mountains for Stills, city for Nash, > prairie for Young. I agree with you, Hell. I've always loved that cover, too. Thanks for pointing out the "water, mountains, city, prairie" thing; I hadn't noticed that before. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 09:36:49 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Album covers Lori wrote: > For sheer "spot-it-from-a-mile-away" points, > there's the cover of Shadow Play by L.A. Express. I would add to this category of non-Joni Joni album covers, the cover of CSNY's compilation, So Far. It's one of my favourite album covers ever, and I think Joni "distilled" the character and personality of each member perfectly with each line drawing, not to mention the background images, eg. water for Crosby, mountains for Stills, city for Nash, prairie for Young. http://www.cduniverse.com/images.asp?pid=1097416&cart=482995374&style=music&image=front&title=Crosby ,+Stills,+Nash+&+Young+-+So+Far+CD As far as favourite Joni album covers, I'd have to go for Hejira, but with CAS a close second - CAS seems more "Joni" as she painted it, rather than being the photographic subject, however involved she was in the design process. Hell - in very summery Auckland, NZ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc Hi Mia. I apologize for the delay commenting on Carlos Castaneda's works. I had to get into Don Juan's groove once again and read, 'The Teachings of Don Juan' to refresh the feel. I enjoy the way you write, too, Mia. It's really nice expression. Just, right on! But I don't know where to start. I remember you asking if others found Don Juan or Casataneda delusional. I don't think so, at all. Yet, I totally understand how you could be questioning the validity of the old man's wisdom. Unless you take that journey yourself to know, it would be difficult not to think, "delusional." Other cultures can lay claim to the magnificence of their architectural cathedrals and castles. Others to mathmatics and astrology. But, the Native American can stake claim to their 'links with nature.' To me, it's the ultimate path of absolute unison and respect to and for all of nature and all forms of life. Buddhism, though, is right there, too. Just another path. Don Juan was about "Mescalito" and what he has to say about communication and communion with the spirits of animals and plants and the Earth and Universe. Now, those are the secret spaces, sacred special places which only alone, can one travel. It's nothing fun as we know fun in exploration. It's very serious, with only first degree enlightenment and that's the best. Maybe, Mia, you could start a topic for us to discuss. After all, Joni gave Castaneda's work raving praise and for some reason, coming from a woman like Joni, that has to say something, no? Norma Jean mia _ wrote: > < Don Juan - the ladies > man>> > > Oh, yeah, I kinda figured that part out already. > But I guess I was thinking > of DJRD as being a product of tying things > together... double meanings... > being the Queen of Duality that she is. A chance to > poke fun at herself in > the title of DJRD; yet, at the same time, juxtapose > it inside the lyrics > with all the wonderful inspiration and serious > observations she has > accumulated over the years. > > Mia > > _________________________________________________________________ > From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN > Entertainment Guide to the > Academy Awards. > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:39:32 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Ottawa Citizen article > "I've been reluctant to birth this album," Mitchell says. "You > know, I cross my legs -- but it's coming anyway. They all come out > that way. It's like they're writing me." Good heavens, she makes it sound like she's pulling these songs out of her ass! LOL I'm sure some will think that way anyway -- mind you, they're forgetting that birth has nothing to do with our asses. I mean, except for the general area. Yeesh, what have I gotten myself into? Kate ps see article here http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/arts/story.html?id=a9a0b503- d3fc-4fd7-828a-26a51f9609de&k=8817 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:17:55 -0800 (PST) From: NormaJean Subject: Re: e: Carlos Castaneda not much jc The Incas just live in complete harmony with 'Pachamama' (Mother Earth) morning, noon and night, too. Right in the moment only, like the Buddhists. It's absolutely breath-taking to be with them way up high on those Andes! There's no comparison. You can barely breath and yet you breath as no other breaths you've taken in before. They also use a native hallucinogenic plant for communion with Nature. Utmost respectful rituals--very rigid and not to be taken lightly down to the minutest detail. No words can I find to express these experiences. Carlos Castaneda does an excellent job relaying those experiences of the Yaqui way of knowledge. Norma Jean - --- NormaJean wrote: > Hi Mia. I apologize for the delay commenting on > Carlos > Castaneda's works. I had to get into Don Juan's > groove > once again and read, 'The Teachings of Don Juan' to > refresh the feel. > > I enjoy the way you write, too, Mia. It's really > nice > expression. Just, right on! But I don't know where > to > start. > > I remember you asking if others found Don Juan or > Casataneda delusional. > I don't think so, at all. Yet, I totally understand > how you could be questioning the validity of the old > man's wisdom. > > Unless you take that journey yourself to know, it > would be difficult not to think, "delusional." > > Other cultures can lay claim to the magnificence of > their architectural cathedrals and castles. Others > to > mathmatics and astrology. But, the Native American > can > stake claim to their 'links with nature.' To me, > it's > the ultimate path of absolute unison and respect to > and for all of nature and all forms of life. > Buddhism, > though, is right there, too. Just another path. > > Don Juan was about "Mescalito" and what he has to > say > about communication and communion with the spirits > of > animals and plants and the Earth and Universe. > > Now, those are the secret spaces, sacred special > places which only alone, can one travel. > > It's nothing fun as we know fun in exploration. It's > very serious, with only first degree enlightenment > and > that's the best. > > Maybe, Mia, you could start a topic for us to > discuss. > After all, Joni gave Castaneda's work raving praise > and for some reason, coming from a woman like Joni, > that has to say something, no? > > Norma Jean > > mia _ wrote: > > > < other > > Don Juan - the ladies > > man>> > > > > Oh, yeah, I kinda figured that part out already. > > But I guess I was thinking > > of DJRD as being a product of tying things > > together... double meanings... > > being the Queen of Duality that she is. A chance > to > > poke fun at herself in > > the title of DJRD; yet, at the same time, > juxtapose > > it inside the lyrics > > with all the wonderful inspiration and serious > > observations she has > > accumulated over the years. > > > > Mia > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN > > Entertainment Guide to the > > Academy Awards. > > > http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. > Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta. > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/features_spam.html > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:34:15 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: For The Roses for the hippies? Marion >Hi, I am new on this list so maybe I shouldn't jump in yet but I just have to say that I totally agree, Joni never made any hippie album (and yes, I am old enought to remember the sixties).< Hi Marion, jump on in! You remember the sixties?! Whats that saying if you remember you weren't there? Ha, just kidding, I remember some too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 14:27:20 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Album covers Me too, me too--this is Joni at her genius-estness.. D'jya ever notice that all her albums are named after a song therein, most of them have her cover artwork, and most of those are self-portraits? I thought you did. Fave Joni cover: DED, perm and all. RR > Hell wrote: > >> I would add to this category of non-Joni Joni album covers, >> the cover of CSNY's compilation, So Far. It's one of my >> favourite album covers ever, and I think Joni "distilled" >> the character and personality of each member perfectly with >> each line drawing, not to mention the background images, eg. >> water for Crosby, mountains for Stills, city for Nash, >> prairie for Young. > > I agree with you, Hell. I've always loved that cover, too. Thanks for > pointing out the "water, mountains, city, prairie" thing; I hadn't noticed > that before. > > Lori > Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: One person's list "The 10 saddest songs I've Ever Heard" Hello Joniphiles! Well the Joni songs that are saddest I think on a personal level ; Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire - singing that at fest a couple of years ago was the first time I was ever able to get through without falling apart .... The other song I find sad and love is Trouble Child; "They open and close you then they talk like they know you - they don't know you - they're friends and they're foes too ... Trouble Child, breaking like the waves at Malibu. So why does it come as such a shock To know you really have no one Only a river of changing faces Looking for an ocean They trickle through your leaky plans Another dream over the dam And you're lying in some room Feeling like your right to be human Is going over too Well some are going to knock you And some'll try to clock you You know it's really hard To talk sense to you Trouble child Breaking like the waves at Malibu ( I can't help it it feeds my middle child syndrome) And a special mention - Ricki Lee's Company Company I'll be looking for company Look and listen Through the years Someday you may hear me Still crying for company So now you're going off to live your life You say we'll meet each other now and then But we'll never be the same And I know I'll never have this chance again No, not like you So, I'll see you in another life now baby, I'll free you in my dreams But when I reach across the galaxy I will miss your company Company The thing is though that anguish in their voices it just kills me! I can't even begin to think of 7 more - I would be totally blubbering here at work. Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 12:39:05 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Album covers Randy wrote: > Me too, me too--this is Joni at her > genius-estness.. > D'jya ever notice that all her albums are named > after a song therein, most of them have her cover > artwork, and most of those are self-portraits? I > thought you did. > Fave Joni cover: DED, perm and all. I assume you're not counting compilations, although I would argue that Travelogue is a new album with reworkings of existing songs, rather than a compilation. But it's title is from a Joni lyric, not a song title. Other compilations not named after songs: Hits Misses Songs of a Prairie Girl The Beginning of Survival So what do I win? Other than the "Smart-Ass of the Week" award.... ;o) Hell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:39:21 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Album covers My favorite is probably FTR, just because Joni looks so beautiful on the cover, and I want to reach in and touch that velvet outfit. We're talking about covers, so I suppose it's cheating to mention the inside artwork and the nude photograph, but my goodness, the whole package was so lovely. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 21:39:16 -0500 From: kjhsf@aol.com Subject: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard I've really enjoyed this thread, and recognize many of the tunes that have been previously mentioned. Here are mine, In no particular order: 1. And So It Goes, Billy Joel (I'm not a fan of his, but this tune is amazing!) 2. Hey, Bub (Rickie Lee Jones) 3. Easter Parade (The Blue Nile) 4. The Vigil (Jane Siberry) 5. The Coral Room (Kate Bush) 6. A Case of You (Joni) 7. Brand Me (Wendy MaHarry) 8. That Lonesome Road (James Taylor) 9. When October Goes (Well, written by Barry Manilow and Johnny Mercer. The song, not the singer, so much in this case) 10. What Shall We do with the Child (Carly Simon) ken ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:15:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard kjhsf@aol.com wrote: > 1. And So It Goes, Billy Joel (I'm not a fan of his, but this tune is > amazing!) > 9. When October Goes (Well, written by Barry Manilow and Johnny Mercer. Betty Buckley does gorgeous versions of both of these songs. Great choices! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:28:00 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Rickie Lee Jones on Letterman tonight This just in ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 04:33:22 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard Let me also add . . . 1) Stina Nordenstam "So This Is Goodbye" -- when Stina's elfin voice is accompanied by spare backing, it's heartbreaking. 2) "Not A Day Goes By" -- just painful and lovely and cathartic in an odd way. No singer has disappointed me yet although Mandy Patinkin brings out the theatrical quality of this song more than anyone. 3) Rickie Lee Jones - "The Moon is Made of Gold" - originally composed by Richard Loris Jones. RLJ sang this song movingly in Rob Wasserman's album called Duets. Very moving indeed as though RLJ is sobbing. - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:32:42 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Top 10 Saddest Songs I've Heard... this week These ones did it for me this past week... 1- I'm so lonesome I could cry (Hank Williams by Cowboy Junkies) 2- Do what you have to do (Sarah McLauchlan) 3-Bloody mother fucking asshole (Martha Wainwright) 4-Strange Fruit (Lewis Allan by Cassandra Wislon) 5-Let the wind carry me (Joni) 6-A case of you (Joni) 7-Marcie (Joni) 8- Sick with love (from Canticum Canticorum by Karen Young) 9-"Dis tout sans rien dire" and "Les temps sont fou" live (Daniel Bilanger) 10-The classic "Avec le temps" (Lio Ferri) sad to death and unavoidably depressing Evelyne. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #48 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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