From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 10 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 045 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [Em ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Mitchell's Ballet Sparks a Love-In ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering ["rflynn@frontiernet.net" ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering [Jerry Notaro ] Joni's Hall of Fame Audio ["Thea Chesney" ] Joni's Hall of Fame Audio ["Patti Parlette" ] Paz report (joni content also) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Joni's guitar playing ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio [Mark-Leon Thorne ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 07:19:42 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio Merci Doug and Bob for sending this......can hardly wait to listen to this!!!!!!!! rosie in nj xxxxxxoooooooooooo ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 04:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering hey Jim, great post. I guess if nothing else, # 7 pretty well nails it. :) Em - --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: > I'll catalog some references in the 1st verse. Maybe someone will > take it > from there. > > Joni said, > 1.Out of the fire like Catholic saints > 2.Comes Scarlett and her deep complaint > 3.Mimicking tenderness she sees > 4.In sentimental movies > 5.A celluloid rider comes to town > 6.Cinematic lovers sway > 7.Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns > 8.Take her breath away > > 1. "Gone With The Wind" is the story of a southern woman, Scarlett > O'Hara > (if I recall) who's world is crumbling. In fact, the jewel of the > south, > Atlanta, burned. > > 2. Yet Scarlett rose again. I didn't read the book, but in the > movie, > Scarlet was a deeply conflicted character who was secretly in love > with a > married man. Through it all, she imagined everything was going to > magically > congeal into her imagined life. If I recall, her last words were "I > can't > think about that now. If I did, I'd go crazy. I know; I'll think > about > that tomorrow." > > 3/4. Joni wrote a composite of characters. Here, she's tying the > present-day character to an idealized past. But it's not just > Scarlett's > idealized past, it's also the present-day character dreaming about a > life as > good as her imagined life. The present-day character is imagining > that her > dreamscape will come to life, just as Scarlett imagined the > plantation would > be made whole, and she'd marry Ashley. > > 5/6. The author reminds us 3 times that the second character is > illusory, > imaginary, a work of fiction. (sentimental movies, celluoid rider, > cinematic lovers) The present-day character is a dreamer too. But > Scarlett > is doubly a dreamy character. Not only is she locked in dreams, but > she > only exists in fiction. For today's character, Scarlett is both a > looking > glass and an imperfect mirror. She is both the ideal and the > cautionary > tale. > > 7/8. Imagery from "Gone With the Wind". > > > Jim L. > > PS, Scarlet is a synonym for "blood-red" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 07:44:16 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering My take has always been Joni is referring to a generic female who sits in movies imagining herself as a movie heroine - a throwback to the Age of Romanticism - one that Joni pokes at here in the song. They are like the readers of romance novels, swept away to another world to escape the reality of their own. Woody Allen did the same brilliantly in The Purple Rose of Cairo. Jerry > I'll catalog some references in the 1st verse. Maybe someone will take it > from there. > > Joni said, > 1.Out of the fire like Catholic saints > 2.Comes Scarlett and her deep complaint > 3.Mimicking tenderness she sees > 4.In sentimental movies > 5.A celluloid rider comes to town > 6.Cinematic lovers sway > 7.Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns > 8.Take her breath away > > 1. "Gone With The Wind" is the story of a southern woman, Scarlett O'Hara > (if I recall) who's world is crumbling. In fact, the jewel of the south, > Atlanta, burned. > > 2. Yet Scarlett rose again. I didn't read the book, but in the movie, > Scarlet was a deeply conflicted character who was secretly in love with a > married man. Through it all, she imagined everything was going to magically > congeal into her imagined life. If I recall, her last words were "I can't > think about that now. If I did, I'd go crazy. I know; I'll think about > that tomorrow." > > 3/4. Joni wrote a composite of characters. Here, she's tying the > present-day character to an idealized past. But it's not just Scarlett's > idealized past, it's also the present-day character dreaming about a life as > good as her imagined life. The present-day character is imagining that her > dreamscape will come to life, just as Scarlett imagined the plantation would > be made whole, and she'd marry Ashley. > > 5/6. The author reminds us 3 times that the second character is illusory, > imaginary, a work of fiction. (sentimental movies, celluoid rider, > cinematic lovers) The present-day character is a dreamer too. But Scarlett > is doubly a dreamy character. Not only is she locked in dreams, but she > only exists in fiction. For today's character, Scarlett is both a looking > glass and an imperfect mirror. She is both the ideal and the cautionary > tale. > > 7/8. Imagery from "Gone With the Wind". > > > Jim L. > > PS, Scarlet is a synonym for "blood-red" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 08:24:21 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering It was, but it was written by Stephen Holden and not Crosby, just for the record. I love HOSL on every level - everytime I play it it's over before I want it to be (if that makes any sense). Happy Friday everyone. 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I think "Scarlett" is pretty condescending and full of sterotypes about the south and southern womanhood--though of course such sterotypes like all sterotypes have some basis in reality. Richard Transplanted Yankee Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > take > on that song as well as on the entire album. Well worth the read.> > > It was, but it was written by Stephen Holden and not Crosby, just for the > record. I love HOSL on every level - everytime I play it it's over before > I want it to be (if that makes any sense). > > Happy Friday everyone. > > Bob > > NP: Ani, "Back Around" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message > are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect > the views of the company. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 09:08:25 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I think Joni is referring to the romanticized stereotypes that have been portrayed on screen, worshipped by lonely women in audiences, not to those in Joni's mind as author of the lyrics. Jerry rflynn@frontiernet.net wrote: > I love HOSL, too. But I disagree with Stephen Holden. I think > "Scarlett" is pretty condescending and full of sterotypes about the > south and southern womanhood--though of course such sterotypes like > all sterotypes have some basis in reality. > > Richard > Transplanted Yankee > > Quoting Bob.Muller@Fluor.com: > >> > take >> on that song as well as on the entire album. Well worth the read.> >> >> It was, but it was written by Stephen Holden and not Crosby, just for >> the >> record. I love HOSL on every level - everytime I play it it's over >> before >> I want it to be (if that makes any sense). >> >> Happy Friday everyone. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: Ani, "Back Around" >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> The information transmitted is intended only for the person >> or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, >> business-confidential and/or privileged material. >> If you are not the intended recipient of this message you >> are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, >> dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken >> in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received >> this in error, please contact the sender and delete the >> material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message >> are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect >> the views of the company. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:20:28 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni's guitar playing and singing >>Vocally, her singing on "Sweet Sucker Dance" is simply amazing - she sings with total accuracy through some strange intervals with very little instrumental cueing to give her the notes or pitch. Her singing on all of Mingus is amazing but that one just blows me away.<< >>As far as Joni's singing and I would say Sweet Sucker Dance from Mingus<< Bob (and later David and CC) said it all, and the rest of Mingus is great too. That is why I love this album almost as much as Hejira. Personally I could live without the raps but there you go. Great singing. I like DJRD (album and track) very much too, for her singing. mike in bcn np - John Hammond - Shore leave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 15:24:55 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I agree with you here, Jerry. I also get the feeling that Joni was writing about a woman who self-identifies with a heroine(s) in fiction -- be it Scarlett O'Hara in "Gone With The Wind" or Blanche Du Bois in "A Streetcar Named Desire". And an intertextual wink at the actress who immortalized both heroines on the screen -- Vivien Leigh. The first verse, to me at least, talks about the juxtaposition of the immortal personae of Scarlett O'Hara and Blance DB. It is as if the woman slips in between the two characters: "Mimicking tenderness she sees" - - reminds me of Scarlett O'Hara's condescension for the Tarleton (sp?) twins in the opening scene of Margaret Mitchell's book. Both boys besotted by her beauty and personality, but Scarlett subconsciously thinks she deserves more than this. She plays their game of love but seethes within from some uncontrollable desire to deserve someone/something. "A celluloid rider comes to town" - - reminds me of the first time Blanche set foot in Elysian Fields. Anachronistically dressed in a working-class neighborhood. Tennessee Williams himself I think wrote a line that highlighted Blanche's moth-like fragility and out-of-place-ness in the rather crude neighborhood where her boorish brother-in-law and servile sister live. " Chasing the ghosts of Gable and Flynn Through stand-in boys and extra players" - - somehow the two lines from the second verse makes apparent that the woman conjures a sort of hyper-real conversations between the characters of Scarlett O'Hara and Blanche. Both women desiring something that is impossible to get -- Ashley (and later Rhett Butler) for Scarlett and a mysterious love for a younger man that ended in a scandal for Blanche. The latter consoled herself in the Flamingo Hotel and met random guys. The next couple of verses can have character-specific references but it eluded me. Or they may be people Joni met on the road whose presence must have resonated with her. Joni has this almost uncanny ability to observe quotidian things that make her lyrics both abstract and yet so familiar (anybody else thinks so?). Joni's 4th verse says: "Beauty and madness to be praised 'Cause it is not easy to be brave To walk around in so much need To carry the weight of all that greed Dressed in stolen clothes she stands Cast iron and frail With her impossibly gentle hands And her blood-red fingernails" - - really reminded me of Scarlett O'Hara and Blanche DuBois (especially Blanche in the first line and the last four lines). Both women already saw the horrors and cruelties of Fate. One already descended to madness, with reality and illusion already blurred and will now rely on "the comfort of strangers", while another will stake her ground, maybe tomorrow. "A woman must have everything" is like a transliteration of "I will come back to Tara, after all tomorrow is another day". Like Bob, I really really loved HOSL as an album even if my first love is "Blue" and LOTC. Joni is in top form and HOSL is an album where she created imageries that draw upon pop literature, the every-day life (in a de Certau sense) and intertextual conversations between characters and the person who imagines them. And don't get me started on "Edith and the Kingpin" . . . Joseph in Chapel Hill (with flat and hoarse voice on a cold but sunny Friday morning in the South) Jerry Notaro a icrit : My take has always been Joni is referring to a generic female who sits in movies imagining herself as a movie heroine - a throwback to the Age of Romanticism - one that Joni pokes at here in the song. They are like the readers of romance novels, swept away to another world to escape the reality of their own. Woody Allen did the same brilliantly in The Purple Rose of Cairo. Jerry > I'll catalog some references in the 1st verse. Maybe someone will take it > from there. > > Joni said, > 1.Out of the fire like Catholic saints > 2.Comes Scarlett and her deep complaint > 3.Mimicking tenderness she sees > 4.In sentimental movies > 5.A celluloid rider comes to town > 6.Cinematic lovers sway > 7.Plantations and sweeping ballroom gowns > 8.Take her breath away > > 1. "Gone With The Wind" is the story of a southern woman, Scarlett O'Hara > (if I recall) who's world is crumbling. In fact, the jewel of the south, > Atlanta, burned. > > 2. Yet Scarlett rose again. I didn't read the book, but in the movie, > Scarlet was a deeply conflicted character who was secretly in love with a > married man. Through it all, she imagined everything was going to magically > congeal into her imagined life. If I recall, her last words were "I can't > think about that now. If I did, I'd go crazy. I know; I'll think about > that tomorrow." > > 3/4. Joni wrote a composite of characters. Here, she's tying the > present-day character to an idealized past. But it's not just Scarlett's > idealized past, it's also the present-day character dreaming about a life as > good as her imagined life. The present-day character is imagining that her > dreamscape will come to life, just as Scarlett imagined the plantation would > be made whole, and she'd marry Ashley. > > 5/6. The author reminds us 3 times that the second character is illusory, > imaginary, a work of fiction. (sentimental movies, celluoid rider, > cinematic lovers) The present-day character is a dreamer too. But Scarlett > is doubly a dreamy character. Not only is she locked in dreams, but she > only exists in fiction. For today's character, Scarlett is both a looking > glass and an imperfect mirror. She is both the ideal and the cautionary > tale. > > 7/8. Imagery from "Gone With the Wind". > > > Jim L. > > PS, Scarlet is a synonym for "blood-red" - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez une nouvelle fagon d'obtenir des riponses ` toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expiriences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Riponses. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:43:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering >>>From: Jerry Notaro My take has always been Joni is referring to a generic female who sits in movies imagining herself as a movie heroine - a throwback to the Age of Romanticism - one that Joni pokes at here in the song. They are like the readers of romance novels, swept away to another world to escape the reality of their own. Woody Allen did the same brilliantly in The Purple Rose of Cairo. You and I see eye-to-eye on this, Jerry. She covers her eyes during the X-rated scenes: how is that Scarlett O'Hara? It makes more sense that it's someone watching "Gone with the Wind" than a character in Gone with the Wind. It's like what I said about reading Blue as an album "about Graham Nash". Joni's songs are rarely about just one thing or one person (although I'll admit that JT's presence seems very heavy in much of FtR). Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 06:47:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering >>>From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" Bob.Muller@Fluor.com I love HOSL on every level - everytime I play it it's over before I want it to be (if that makes any sense). Lots of sense. Always in my top 2, and often my favorite Joni album. Michael Flaherty _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 12:29:00 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering A generic female to whom she positions herself as superior. Though in the context of the self-criticism, perhaps not. Even among the radical chic and Bohos the cleaner's press in her jeans. "Harry's House" would suffer from the same kind of overreliance on cliche that Scarlett suffers from, but is rescued by the appearance of "Centerpiece." I might be convinced that Scarlett is rescued by it's brilliant spoken repetition of "A woman must have evertything" that indicates that Joni isn't letting her judgmental self off so easily. It's also the first album in which she successfully does third person, but for moral complexity and vision, give me Hejira (album and song) any day. "I looked at the granite markers Those tributes to finality to eternity Then I looked at myself here Chicken-scratching for my immortality" The critique of suburbia and of Scarlett-types I think is a lessser subject. BUT let me repeat again, I love HOSL and listen to it often--not as much as FTR or Hejira, but way more often than Court and Spark. Quoting Michael Flaherty : >>>> From: Jerry Notaro > > My take has always been Joni is > referring to a generic female who sits in > movies imagining herself as a movie > heroine - a throwback to the Age of > Romanticism - one that Joni pokes at here > in the song. They are like the > readers of romance novels, swept away to > another world to escape the reality > of their own. Woody Allen did the same > brilliantly in The Purple Rose of > Cairo. > > You and I see eye-to-eye on this, > Jerry. > > She covers her eyes during the X-rated scenes: how is that Scarlett > O'Hara? It makes more sense that it's someone watching "Gone with the Wind" > than a character in Gone with the Wind. > > It's like what I said about reading > Blue as an album "about Graham Nash". Joni's songs are rarely about just one > thing or one person (although I'll admit that JT's presence seems very heavy > in much of FtR). > > Michael Flaherty > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > Don't pick lemons. > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 10:08:20 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering I am still hundreds of posts behind and trying to stay current, but I couldn't resist throwing 2 cents in here . . . Right now I have a houseguest -- my college girlfriend, Hannah! Talk about a trip down memory lane! Anyway, when this album came out we used to call a classmate of Hannah's 'Scarlet' because she was from a well-known Southern family, was quite good looking, loved to flirt, she had a melodramatic flair, a love for 'sentimental movies' of the 30s and 40s, she was quite tragic and possibly mentally ill, and she was prone to acting out -- especially on alcohol binges. I think Joni was writing about a certain type of young woman, perhaps a type that was especially prevalent in the early and mid 70s. Who knows. Maybe Joni had one person in mind. And maybe that person was Jose Feliciano. - --Smurf . _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:22:45 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering Not superior, but certainly Scarlet is a worthy object of criticism. And for that, Joni as author, has succeeded. Jerry > A generic female to whom she positions herself as superior. > > Though in the context of the self-criticism, perhaps not. > > Even among the radical chic and Bohos the cleaner's press in her jeans. > > "Harry's House" would suffer from the same kind of overreliance on > cliche that Scarlett suffers from, but is rescued by the appearance of > "Centerpiece." > > I might be convinced that Scarlett is rescued by it's brilliant spoken > repetition of "A woman must have evertything" that indicates that > Joni isn't letting her judgmental self off so easily. > > It's also the first album in which she successfully does third person, > but for moral complexity and vision, give me Hejira (album and song) > any day. > > "I looked at the granite markers > Those tributes to finality to eternity > Then I looked at myself here > Chicken-scratching for my immortality" > > The critique of suburbia and of Scarlett-types I think is a lessser subject. > > BUT let me repeat again, I love HOSL and listen to it often--not as > much as FTR or Hejira, but way more often than Court and Spark. > > Quoting Michael Flaherty : > >>>>> From: Jerry Notaro >> >> My take has always been Joni is >> referring to a generic female who sits in >> movies imagining herself as a movie >> heroine - a throwback to the Age of >> Romanticism - one that Joni pokes at here >> in the song. They are like the >> readers of romance novels, swept away to >> another world to escape the reality >> of their own. Woody Allen did the same >> brilliantly in The Purple Rose of >> Cairo. >> >> You and I see eye-to-eye on this, >> Jerry. >> >> She covers her eyes during the X-rated scenes: how is that Scarlett >> O'Hara? It makes more sense that it's someone watching "Gone with the Wind" >> than a character in Gone with the Wind. >> >> It's like what I said about reading >> Blue as an album "about Graham Nash". Joni's songs are rarely about just one >> thing or one person (although I'll admit that JT's presence seems very heavy >> in much of FtR). >> >> Michael Flaherty >> _____________________________________________________________________________ >> _______ >> Don't pick lemons. >> See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. >> http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:10:49 -0800 From: "Thea Chesney" Subject: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio Thank you so much for putting this up! I was disappointed not to be able to listen to any of it before, so am really looking forward to hearing it! Peace, Thea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:45:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio Oh, sweet Jesus and heaven above and astronauts and all the Catholic saints!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is sublime. Merci beaucoup, Doug and Bob! Je m'abaisse devant votre grandeur! Holy merde, Catherine. You were THERE! No WONDER you were all gooey afterward -- all Joni/all the time I think you said from work. Just as I am, just at this moment of the world (you know how to call it, Muller!). If you haven't heard it yet, stop reading now. You must experience it on your own. If you *have* heard it, let's jump up and down together! I only got to hear bits on my lunch hour, but what I heard was just absolutely there-are-no-words. Herbie Hancock narrating in between her earlier songs and then later ones brought me back to when I first fell in love with Joni (it seems like the first time), but now it's even deeeeeper, that Joni love, after all the hope and hopeless we've witnessed for well over thirty years... (NPIMH: Help me! I think I"m falling in love again, when I get that crazy feeling *at work* you know I'm in trouble again.....) Yikes. I had a total meltdown at my desk. Total. ( My dept. head walked in and thought someone had died. Ha ha ha....then I started to tell her about the audio and she stopped worrying. She's so nice....she didn't even roll her eyes. She takes me as a I am.) And then to hear JT speak in such eloquent French about our Joan....so heartfelt and appropriately adoring and grateful. He crowned and anchored it, imo. I pulled my friend Lucy out of the hallway and into my office (I mean PULLED!) to hear this. She adores JT. She's a 60-something very hip French prof (she's very open, she wouldn't mind me saying this here) and she's always busybusybusydoingtoomanythingsatonce but I would not let her get away until she heard this. She started crying, too! So now there are TWO of us crying in my office. A few people came in and walked back out again rather quickly, knowing something pretty intense was happening. Oh the beauty and the glory. We couldn't step outside the Joni Zone, even if bad fortune allowed. I told Lucy how Joni said JT was her best lover ever and Lucy cried out: "I never knew that. BUT I'M SO GLAD THEY WERE!" Then she had to run to class so I went looking for my next "victim". Ha ha! I found E, another French prof, and one of my very best friends. Her husband adores Joni. So I drag HER down the hall, knowing she'll be less excited than Lucy who always wanted to marry JT, but still excited to share some of this with her. So I go back to the beginning of JT's little tribute en francais, and watch E's face. For the first few seconds she looks skeptical, like she might be critical of his accent, but then she quickly softens and says: "Pas mal." Then a "bien". Then a "tres bien." By the end her face is aglow and she is near tears, too. Tu parles tres bien, JT! Formidable! And all the applause, applause! You could TELL the crowd was joyous and jubilant to be there honoring Notre Dame and in her presence. And she sounded so touched and joyful herself...talking about dear friends....from 4th grade.....wow wow wow wow. And her laugh. I love to hear her laugh! I laugh inside her laughter. Laughing and crying, you know..... Racing away (stoopid job!), with boundless and re-ignited Joni love, Patti P. OK, kids - I'll bet many of you are as excited to hear this as I was - thanks to JMDL'er Doug Meek (man among men) here it is! http://download.yousendit.com/CBDBBA665C7F469A It's a wonderful program - if you're like me you'll have a hair or two stand and even get a little watery-eyed. And Patti P, when you hear JT speaking all that French, you will turn into a puddle of goo. Here is the order for the tracks: 1. Intro comments 2. Help Me - Chaka 3. Margaret Atwood 4. JT - Woodstock 5. Herbie, Joni's Career, Joni accepts 6. Both Sides Now 7. Closing comments A BIG BIG thanks to Doug for doing this for us all. Doug, as JB would say, you can "jump back and kiss yourself". Hope we can get the video too - this will help make the wait for that more bearable. Bob NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up & Hold On" _____________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 20:49:35 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Paz report (joni content also) Hi everyone, I wanted to tell you that I spent the day with our dear Michael whose last name is prounced "Paws" instead of "Passz" (Donna, he said you started that one!). He'd just gotten back from his brother's funeral that was held the day before. I told him that I was just there for support so whatever he needed me to do, I would help. Well the phone was ringing off the hook, there were reports, there was merchandise to be counted, there were scheduling changes...my goodness! He had no time to be sad. So I helped him count merchandise that would be sold at the next show and just kept him company. Sometimes, it is better to just "be there". Words aren't always necessary. There was a rehearsal at 3:30 at the symphony hall there in Baltimore. Paz introduced me to the band who are a crazy and wonderful bunch of guys and we all rode together to the rehearsal. I felt so honored! Claudia would be meeting us later for dinner but could not join us for the rehearsal as she had some work deadlines to make. Paz, in his usual, genorous spirit introduced me to The Preservation Hall band as a jazz singer but I didn't feel right about that so I added, "but today, I'm just a friend..." My whole reason for being there was just to support a dear friend to whom I owe a huge debt of gratitude. I was thrilled beyond words to be present for the rehearsal and for the show in Bethesda the following night. I felt like royalty sitting in the third row show night and some of the band members who saw me sitting there with Rob waved hello when entering the stage. That was special too. They are all funny, talented, crazy, oh yeah, and even more talented! The show was absolutely phenomenal and I have become a believer in keeping the legacy of New Orleans Jazz alive. They make the instruments speak a language of their own. During one song "Just A Closer Walk With Thee", the saxophonist Darryl Adams actually made the sax sound like it was weeping. I was flabbergasted! Sitting there, I got New Orleans Jazz and I got why it is so important to preserve its legacy. It's just as important as the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial and any other landmark because it is American History. The house was packed and everyone enjoyed the second line dance at the end. I was too far in the middle of the row to join in my our Paz jumped in with his white hankerchief and did his thing around the auditorium! It was a magnificent experience and one that I will never forget. Most of all, I hope I made my friend's day after a little easier. Claudia and John will be attending the Saturday night performance along with a wonderful singer/songstress friend of hers named Karen who sounds reminiscent of Patti Griffin. Carl who plays banjo with Preservation Hall hung out with us until the wee hours of the morning jamming. What a gifted player he is! Paz played and sang and it was so nice to see the smile on his face as he strummed the guitar. Carl and the rest of us Joni-onlies got into a discussion and debate about Joni's open tunings but he knew he was outnumbered! In the end, Joni writes for herself. We are welcome to come along for the ride, but she's writing in her own way and for her own need to express her music. Her music is a challenge and it is innovative. In years to come, I think it will be studied regularly in music theory classes. She is truly a groundbreaking songwriter. So all in all, we had a great time just being together, going to dinner, watching Paz savor his oysters and clams in a concoction of ketchup, horseradish and hot sauce and just being with people who mean so much to you. Sherelle _________________________________________________________________ Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 16:49:19 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Paz report (joni content also) Thanks for the report Sherelle! I wish I could have been there. I enjoyed the last trip up and hanging with Pawz, you, Rob, Claudia, and John. I'm looking forward to seeing Paz and Co. at the end of May...I'll even be on a break from school! Victor On Feb 9, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I wanted to tell you that I spent the day with our dear Michael > whose last name is prounced "Paws" instead of "Passz" (Donna, he > said you started that one!). He'd just gotten back from his > brother's funeral that was held the day before. I told him that I > was just there for support so whatever he needed me to do, I would > help. Well the phone was ringing off the hook, there were reports, > there was merchandise to be counted, there were scheduling > changes...my goodness! He had no time to be sad. So I helped him > count merchandise that would be sold at the next show and just kept > him company. Sometimes, it is better to just "be there". Words > aren't always necessary. > > There was a rehearsal at 3:30 at the symphony hall there in > Baltimore. Paz introduced me to the band who are a crazy and > wonderful bunch of guys and we all rode together to the rehearsal. > I felt so honored! Claudia would be meeting us later for dinner but > could not join us for the rehearsal as she had some work deadlines > to make. Paz, in his usual, genorous spirit introduced me to The > Preservation Hall band as a jazz singer but I didn't feel right > about that so I added, "but today, I'm just a friend..." My whole > reason for being there was just to support a dear friend to whom I > owe a huge debt of gratitude. > > I was thrilled beyond words to be present for the rehearsal and for > the show in Bethesda the following night. I felt like royalty > sitting in the third row show night and some of the band members > who saw me sitting there with Rob waved hello when entering the > stage. That was special too. They are all funny, talented, crazy, > oh yeah, and even more talented! The show was absolutely phenomenal > and I have become a believer in keeping the legacy of New Orleans > Jazz alive. They make the instruments speak a language of their > own. During one song "Just A Closer Walk With Thee", the > saxophonist Darryl Adams actually made the sax sound like it was > weeping. I was flabbergasted! Sitting there, I got New Orleans Jazz > and I got why it is so important to preserve its legacy. It's just > as important as the Washington Monument, the Lincoln Memorial and > any other landmark because it is American History. The house was > packed and everyone enjoyed the second line dance at the end. I was > too far in the middle of the row to join in my our Paz jumped in > with his white hankerchief and did his thing around the auditorium! > It was a magnificent experience and one that I will never forget. > Most of all, I hope I made my friend's day after a little easier. > > Claudia and John will be attending the Saturday night performance > along with a wonderful singer/songstress friend of hers named Karen > who sounds reminiscent of Patti Griffin. Carl who plays banjo with > Preservation Hall hung out with us until the wee hours of the > morning jamming. What a gifted player he is! Paz played and sang > and it was so nice to see the smile on his face as he strummed the > guitar. Carl and the rest of us Joni-onlies got into a discussion > and debate about Joni's open tunings but he knew he was > outnumbered! In the end, Joni writes for herself. We are welcome to > come along for the ride, but she's writing in her own way and for > her own need to express her music. Her music is a challenge and it > is innovative. In years to come, I think it will be studied > regularly in music theory classes. She is truly a groundbreaking > songwriter. > > So all in all, we had a great time just being together, going to > dinner, watching Paz savor his oysters and clams in a concoction of > ketchup, horseradish and hot sauce and just being with people who > mean so much to you. > > Sherelle > > _________________________________________________________________ > Dont miss your chance to WIN 10 hours of private jet travel from > Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/ > mcrssaub0540002499mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:09:47 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Today Show Interview I went to the library today for various reasons and watched some YouTube on their computer since it doesn't work on my home computer. Anyway, I caught an interview with Joni Mitchell on the Today Show. I was wondering what year was this from? Late 90's perhaps? Katie Couric had her short hair look which she hadn't sported for a while now! Plus she's not even on the Today Show...you know. Everyone bashed Katie Couric in the reviews on You Tube in terms of the side of her interview. It was great to see some of the different clips that they did show and even greater to see/hear Joni talk about various things. I think I love to hear her speak. I mean I don't always have to agree with everything she says but I find her fascinating all the moreso. One thing that did catch my attention more than anything else, was when Katie Couric had said that Joni hadn't written in a while because she was "blocked" and because she felt she wasn't needed. I'm glad that feeling has passed! I just wanted to scream aloud right there in the quiet library, "Joni you are needed! You're needed more than ever!" But like I said, I'm glad that feeling has passed and she is writing again and got involved with the ballet. She seems to have that fire in her still and its been reignited by something that though it is negative (the war, the world, a big ol' crazy mess really) will be turned positive if Joni can get a message across. What's more positive than that? - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:22:27 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: braids and bandana anyone "Stakenas' long grey braids and '60s-style bandanna gave her away as a longtime Mitchell fan." ... what are you people wearing...??? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:58:26 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: braids and bandana anyone Pants, a shirt, an undershirt, socks, underwear, and a Boston Red Sox jacket if I go outside because its so cold and nasty out there. Victor NP: Grieg- Piano Concerto in Am On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:22 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > "Stakenas' long grey braids and '60s-style bandanna gave her away as a > longtime Mitchell fan." > > ... what are you people wearing...??? > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 17:45:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Shades of Scarlet Conquering Hi Cassy, At the bottom it says the author is Stephen Holden. Didn't sound like Crosby's 'voice' in the review. http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/davidcrosby/albums/album/214346/review/5 945041/the_hissing_of_summer_lawns ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:00:15 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Subject: Joni's guitar playing * The slapping duel at the beginning of "God Must Be A Boogie Man" on MINGUS. * The loosely strung intro to "Cold Blue Steel". When someone plays this in person, as Catherine did at JoniFest, it's even more amazing. Jim L. >What are your favorite guitar songs by Joni or your favorite guitar parts she has played and from which songs?> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:07:59 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: braids and bandana anyone I love Greig in Am. Paz (blue jean pants(es) black faux turtle neck and sox in cold ass Baltimore and all my pals are asleep) On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:58 PM, Victor Johnson wrote: Pants, a shirt, an undershirt, socks, underwear, and a Boston Red Sox jacket if I go outside because its so cold and nasty out there. Victor NP: Grieg- Piano Concerto in Am On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:22 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > "Stakenas' long grey braids and '60s-style bandanna gave her away as a > longtime Mitchell fan." > > ... what are you people wearing...??? > > Bene ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:13:49 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni's Hall of Fame Audio This is such a unique opportunity for those of us who are about as far from Toronto as you can get. I would never have had the chance to hear any of this if it weren't for Bob and Doug. I am so grateful for this. Thank you both so much. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for the video. I doubt this presentation will ever be shown on Australian TV. Mark in Sydney NP Music Matters - Faithless ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #45 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)