From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #43 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 8 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 043 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- FW: Message from Website [Les Irvin ] Re: FW: Message from Website [waytoblue@comcast.net] Joni & Alberta Ballet; - Calgary Herald articles [hugo e alvarez ] Re: FW: Message from Website [Em ] Joni in International Herald Tribune ["J Harney" ] RE: FW: Message from Website ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: FW: Message from Website ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Message from Website [Victor Johnson ] Re: Message from Website [Em ] merde Joni - and 2 new songs ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: Jonifest, Raffle and kind Bob [Bob Muller ] Re: Jonifest, Raffle and kind Bob [Motitan@aol.com] Joni's guitar playing [Motitan@aol.com] Joni's singing [Motitan@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 08:50:17 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: FW: Message from Website Please copy Leonard on any responses. - -----Original Message----- HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED FOR ALL THESE YEARS NOW. Name: LEONARD JAMES email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:25:32 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the Wind" though I could be wrong. Victor NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm - ---- Original message ---------------------- From: Les Irvin > Please copy Leonard on any responses. > > -----Original Message----- > HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT > IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE > CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED FOR ALL THESE > YEARS NOW. > > Name: LEONARD JAMES > email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:14:59 -0500 (EST) From: hugo e alvarez Subject: Joni & Alberta Ballet; - Calgary Herald articles Your friend hugo_e_alvarez@yahoo.ca thought you might be interested in this canada.com story: "Dancing Joni's songs plucked from entirety of career" List of songs for the ballet http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=a99428b7-9dc4-4d1a-b109-65fc93d2abd2&k=77577 "Songs & dance" http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=6f2cd12a-e5b4-4a9b-bfb4-b2ed38cfa434&k=68585 "Influence peddling" Covers of Joni's work http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=b929b38e-aa8b-4d33-8aec-3d21171d7056&k=14868 "Joni takes world's stage" http://www.canada.com/cityguides/calgary/story.html?id=5a12e9da-4521-4281-9ce1-6faf73f3db4a&k=31436 "Social distortion shapes ballet" http://www.canada.com/cityguides/calgary/story.html?id=f126938a-ca84-4492-b2b3-1cd4dcaf4f0b&k=36853 "Dancing under pressure" http://www.canada.com/cityguides/calgary/story.html?id=6aa8ef4e-4d43-4f8a-bef9-9788243b517c&k=17591 OBS: Easiest way to reach the Herald: www.calgaryherald.com - --------------------------------- Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:36:49 -0500 From: "rflynn@frontiernet.net" Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website The rumor I heard was that Joni and Ronee Blakely were like oil and water on the Rolling Thunder Tour and that Ronee was the target of Scarlett (I know I read this probably several places, maybe even in the JMDL Library. Richard at work, in haste Quoting waytoblue@comcast.net: > Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman > in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the > Wind" though I could be wrong. > > Victor > > NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm > > > > > > > ---- Original message ---------------------- > From: Les Irvin >> Please copy Leonard on any responses. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET >> CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT >> IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE >> CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED >> FOR ALL THESE >> YEARS NOW. >> >> Name: LEONARD JAMES >> email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 13:48:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Message from Website I worked with Ronee once and believe me, she and Joni would never get along. She was a nightmare. But I believe Scarlet is a name for a type rather than a particular person. Jerry > The rumor I heard was that Joni and Ronee Blakely were like oil and > water on the Rolling Thunder Tour and that Ronee was the target of > Scarlett (I know I read this probably several places, maybe even in > the JMDL Library. > > Richard at work, in haste > Quoting waytoblue@comcast.net: > >> Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman >> in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the >> Wind" though I could be wrong. >> >> Victor >> >> NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---- Original message ---------------------- >> From: Les Irvin >>> Please copy Leonard on any responses. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET >>> CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT >>> IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF THE >>> CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED >>> FOR ALL THESE >>> YEARS NOW. >>> >>> Name: LEONARD JAMES >>> email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 11:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Scarlett Rivera? Em - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > The rumor I heard was that Joni and Ronee Blakely were like oil and > water on the Rolling Thunder Tour and that Ronee was the target of > Scarlett (I know I read this probably several places, maybe even in > the JMDL Library. > > Richard at work, in haste > Quoting waytoblue@comcast.net: > > > Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman > > > in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the > > Wind" though I could be wrong. > > > > Victor > > > > NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Les Irvin > >> Please copy Leonard on any responses. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET > >> CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT > >> IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF > THE > >> CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED > > >> FOR ALL THESE > >> YEARS NOW. > >> > >> Name: LEONARD JAMES > >> email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 21:09:03 +0000 From: "J Harney" Subject: Joni in International Herald Tribune The NY Times article about Joni that graced the front page of the Sunday, 04 Feb., edition of the Arts & Leisure section of the NY Times has been picked up in today's International Herald Trib., which is now a wholly-owned entity of the NY Times. However, the picture that they run with the IHT article is no where near as flattering as the (color) one from Sunday--the one in today's IHT is from the Canadian Songwriters induction ceremony, taken from below, which seldom is a flattering angle. Jack _________________________________________________________________ From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:11:54 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: FW: Message from Website From Clinton Heylin's _Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited_ (Morrow, 2001), pp. 426-27: [ . . . ] while the Revue was never a place for the fainthearted, when it came to ego-bruising it was the women performers who proved most willing to go the distance. Larry Johnson called it the Battle of the Berets, because "Joni and Ronnee and Baez all showed up wearing berets, and 'cause there was a lot of competition going on with those women." Baez, in particular, made little attempt to hide her distaste for Mitchell or Blakely. Larry Sloman: Joan Baez . . . was not encouraging to anybody on that tour. I mean she was like a huge prima donna and felt incredibly threatened: one, that Ronee Blakely was on that tour, and two, that Joni Mitchell came in. There was all this horrible behind-the-scenes shit going on. The endearingly naove Blakely was no match for giant ego bubbles like Baez and Mitchell. Joni had already turned her own pen on Blakely, dissecting her Norma Jean-like persona in her disarmingly beautiful "Shades of Scarlett Conquering," in which she mocked her "mimicking tenderness [that] she sees / in sentimental movies." If Joni remained secure in her judgments of others, Baez clearly viewed Blakely as competition of sorts, despite her minimal profile on stage. [lots of other juicy gossip follows, but this is enough for my tired typing hands at the end of the work day] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:00 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; waytoblue@comcast.net Cc: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org; gremisjay@msn.com Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Scarlett Rivera? Em - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > The rumor I heard was that Joni and Ronee Blakely were like oil and > water on the Rolling Thunder Tour and that Ronee was the target of > Scarlett (I know I read this probably several places, maybe even in > the JMDL Library. > > Richard at work, in haste > Quoting waytoblue@comcast.net: > > > Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman > > > in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the > > Wind" though I could be wrong. > > > > Victor > > > > NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Les Irvin > >> Please copy Leonard on any responses. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET > >> CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT > >> IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF > THE > >> CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED > > >> FOR ALL THESE > >> YEARS NOW. > >> > >> Name: LEONARD JAMES > >> email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:35:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Well that shoots my Scarlett Johansson theory all to hell. From: "Richard Flynn" > From Clinton Heylin's _Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited_ (Morrow, > Joni had already turned her own pen on Blakely, > dissecting her Norma Jean-like persona in her disarmingly beautiful > "Shades > of Scarlett Conquering," in which she mocked her "mimicking tenderness > [that] she sees / in sentimental movies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 18:26:13 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Message from Website Will the real Scarlett please stand up. Victor NP: Monk Quartet w/Coltrane - Monk's Mood On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > Well that shoots my Scarlett Johansson theory all to hell. > > From: "Richard Flynn" >> From Clinton Heylin's _Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited_ >> (Morrow, >> Joni had already turned her own pen on Blakely, >> dissecting her Norma Jean-like persona in her disarmingly >> beautiful "Shades >> of Scarlett Conquering," in which she mocked her "mimicking >> tenderness >> [that] she sees / in sentimental movies." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 15:46:52 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Message from Website maybe it was ol Scarlett Billows. :) Em - --- Victor Johnson wrote: > Will the real Scarlett please stand up. > > Victor > > NP: Monk Quartet w/Coltrane - Monk's Mood > > > > > > On Feb 7, 2007, at 5:35 PM, Randy Remote wrote: > > > Well that shoots my Scarlett Johansson theory all to hell. > > > > From: "Richard Flynn" > >> From Clinton Heylin's _Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited_ > >> (Morrow, > >> Joni had already turned her own pen on Blakely, > >> dissecting her Norma Jean-like persona in her disarmingly > >> beautiful "Shades > >> of Scarlett Conquering," in which she mocked her "mimicking > >> tenderness > >> [that] she sees / in sentimental movies." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 00:19:23 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: merde Joni - and 2 new songs Thursday night opening in Calgary ! from http://www.playbillarts.com/news/article/5969.html The ballet, a semi-abstract, narrative work in neo-classical style, is 47 minutes long and features nine songs by Mitchell, who recently began writing again after a ten-year hiatus. The production includes two new songs: If, based on the Rudyard Kipling poem about war and stoicism, and If I Had a Heart, I'd Cry. "Humbly I hope we can make a difference with this ballet," the paper also quotes her as saying. "It's a red alert about the situation the world is in now. We're wasting our time on this fairy tale war, when the real war is with God's creation. Nobody's fighting for God's creation." Amen. Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Your Space. Your Friends. Your Stories. Share your world with Windows Live Spaces. http://discoverspaces.live.com/?loc=en-CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 19:20:31 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: FW: Message from Website And now that I've quoted the Heylin book, let me blow holes in the theory. _Hissing_ was released in November of 1975 and Joni joined the RTR mid-November of 1975, though she did know Blakely previously. The timeline does call the story into question. You can't believe everything you read, now can you? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Richard Flynn Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 4:12 PM To: 'Em'; waytoblue@comcast.net Cc: 'Les Irvin'; joni@smoe.org; gremisjay@msn.com Subject: RE: FW: Message from Website From Clinton Heylin's _Bob Dylan: Behind the Shades Revisited_ (Morrow, 2001), pp. 426-27: [ . . . ] while the Revue was never a place for the fainthearted, when it came to ego-bruising it was the women performers who proved most willing to go the distance. Larry Johnson called it the Battle of the Berets, because "Joni and Ronnee and Baez all showed up wearing berets, and 'cause there was a lot of competition going on with those women." Baez, in particular, made little attempt to hide her distaste for Mitchell or Blakely. Larry Sloman: Joan Baez . . . was not encouraging to anybody on that tour. I mean she was like a huge prima donna and felt incredibly threatened: one, that Ronee Blakely was on that tour, and two, that Joni Mitchell came in. There was all this horrible behind-the-scenes shit going on. The endearingly naove Blakely was no match for giant ego bubbles like Baez and Mitchell. Joni had already turned her own pen on Blakely, dissecting her Norma Jean-like persona in her disarmingly beautiful "Shades of Scarlett Conquering," in which she mocked her "mimicking tenderness [that] she sees / in sentimental movies." If Joni remained secure in her judgments of others, Baez clearly viewed Blakely as competition of sorts, despite her minimal profile on stage. [lots of other juicy gossip follows, but this is enough for my tired typing hands at the end of the work day] - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 2:00 PM To: rflynn@frontiernet.net; waytoblue@comcast.net Cc: Les Irvin; joni@smoe.org; gremisjay@msn.com Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Scarlett Rivera? Em - --- "rflynn@frontiernet.net" wrote: > The rumor I heard was that Joni and Ronee Blakely were like oil and > water on the Rolling Thunder Tour and that Ronee was the target of > Scarlett (I know I read this probably several places, maybe even in > the JMDL Library. > > Richard at work, in haste > Quoting waytoblue@comcast.net: > > > Perhaps others could elaborate on this more but I believe the woman > > > in the song is loosely inspired by Scarlett from "Gone With the > > Wind" though I could be wrong. > > > > Victor > > > > NE: Chinese food....mmmmmmmmm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Les Irvin > >> Please copy Leonard on any responses. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> HEY...ANY CHANCE I COULD GET THE STORY BEHIND, "SCARLET > >> CONQUERING"? WHO/WHAT > >> IS SHE BASED ON; SHE IS SUCH AN ENIGMA TO ME. WHAT IS THE POINT OF > THE > >> CHARACTERIZATION? SHE HAUNTS/MYSTIFIES ME, IN A WAY I HAVE LOVED > > >> FOR ALL THESE > >> YEARS NOW. > >> > >> Name: LEONARD JAMES > >> email: gremisjay@msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 16:17:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Jonifest, Raffle and kind Bob <"I am so jealous! How my heart breaks!" Perhaps you can make copies for her also? She is dying to get her hands on "C'mon people now, smile on your brother, everybody GET TOGETHER, try and love one another right now!> Well sure, we don't want any broken hearts - not at Jonifest. I'll make sure that Ms. Monika gets them too. Bob NP: Human Marvels Podcast _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:25:52 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest, Raffle and kind Bob Well sure, we don't want any broken hearts - not at Jonifest. I'll make sure that Ms. Monika gets them too. - ---------------------------- Oh, thanks you are much too kind! I really don't deserve such kindness, haha! And thanks Jill for asking for me! This is the nicest list I have ever been a part of (I browse messageboards of different kinds as well....). - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:29:14 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's guitar playing Well, as we know, Joni is a very unique guitar player. And as a guitar player myself, I love dissecting music and such. And as a fan, I simply like talking about it. That being said, I am interested in hearing your opinions. What are your favorite guitar songs by Joni or your favorite guitar parts she has played and from which songs? Why? Or perhaps you really dig something a part played on the dulcimer.... I hope that makes sense with the wording as is. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:53:27 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni's singing What are your favorite vocal performances from Joni? What songs do you think she does a fantastic job more than whats required vocally speaking? Why? This is a followup to the guitar question from earlier........ - -Monika ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #43 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)