From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #39 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, February 5 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 039 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New York Times interviews Joni, 100% JC ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Heckman's review of BLUE [Dflahm@aol.com] Rudyard Kipling, If [LCStanley7@aol.com] grrrr! [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: questions for Joni [LCStanley7@AOL.COM] Re: grrrr! ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Sad news ["Randy Remote" ] With Great Pleasure - Lynne Truss [Gertus@aol.com] I have a new blog!!! Go look at it!!! [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] OOPS...lol addy for the blog...... [BlueForTheRoses@aol.com] BYT time warp?? [] Re: Sad news [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: questions for Joni ["gene" ] RE: questions for Joni ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Rudyard Kipling, If [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Rudyard Kipling, If [Deb Messling ] RE: questions for Joni [mags h ] Re: grrrr! [Motitan@aol.com] RE: Rudyard Kipling, If ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Returning Joni discs to the library [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #38 [PassScribe@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: New York Times interviews Joni, 100% JC I'm re-posting the link because it's a big interview. It seems like Joni Mitchell is in a good place right now. I hope everyone has a pleasant Sunday. Jim L. cc: JoniFest list Les said, >Wow. one of those interviews that comes around only rarely: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:10:29 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Another Joni anecdote BTW, are you going to try to make it to JoniFest? I would love to meet you! - --------------------------- Hmm. I haven't signed up for anything yet. I have been looking at prices and such though, I can't deny that. It would be my heart's desire to go but....we'll see. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:47:40 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New York Times article Les, this is a fantastic and revealing article! Thanks so much for posting it! I especially like the part (and I paraphrase) where she doesn't like to be worshipped but she also doesn't like to be spat out either. Wow! Sherelle From: "Les Irvin" Wow. one of those interviews that comes around only rarely: http://jmdl.com/library/view.cfm?id=1547 Les NP: Pat Metheny "Two Folk Songs" with Michael Brecker.. _________________________________________________________________ Valentines Day -- Shop for gifts that spell L-O-V-E at MSN Shopping http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8323,ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24095&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:31:28 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Heckman's review of BLUE Don (not Dan) Heckman is a good friend of mine and was one of the most astute writers about jazz during the 1960s. But this sentence, at the end of his review of BLUE, per the JMDL Library, (however justified it might have seemed in 1971) turned out to be so completely off the mark that it's laughable: "The audience for art songs is far smaller than that for folk ballads, and Joni Mitchell is on the verge of having to make a decision between the two." Don's mistake was not to foresee that Joni would create her own kind of music, which could not be categorized under any name known at the time. DAVID LAHM ____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:32:40 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Rudyard Kipling, If This poem inspires Joni and so I'm posting it here... it moves me too. Love, Laura IF If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you, If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you But make allowance for their doubting too, If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, Or being lied about, don't deal in lies, Or being hated, don't give way to hating, And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise: If you can dream--and not make dreams your master, If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim; If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster And treat those two impostors just the same; If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken, And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools: If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss, And lose, and start again at your beginnings And never breath a word about your loss; If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone, And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!" If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch, If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you; If all men count with you, but none too much, If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds' worth of distance run, Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it, And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son! --Rudyard Kipling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:40:10 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: grrrr! "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western musical theory." David Yaffe, Syracuse Univ.Professor, writing about JM in today's NYT. Such ignorance-or is it an attempt to get our attention with something "outrageous?"-is just infuriating. To me, JM did something far more admirable than break rules: she showed how fresh and original, how sensual, music can sound although it uses only traditional materials. If Yaffe were correct...how could there be a songbook with "Amelia" in it? The best that can be said for Yaffe is that he might have been disoriented by the unusual sounds that result from conventional chords being played on guitar in non-standard tunings. smoke issuing from ears, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:56:59 EST From: LCStanley7@AOL.COM Subject: Re: questions for Joni > magaine you meet up with Joni and > you can actually speak. . . > > what are the 100 questions you would ask her? (add to the list) > > 1. Who is Martha? > Hi Mariannie, "Magaine"... asking too many questons might give Joni one. The question I'd ask is: "Can I have the clothes you no longer want to wear?" I know I'm a beggar, but I love her style and love hand me downs. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:06:46 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: grrrr! Ha-yeah my eyebrows raised there, too---sure they have technical names-sometimes more than one! When it comes to chords, are there really any rules? I think not. RR From: "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western > musical theory." > > David Yaffe, Syracuse Univ.Professor, writing about JM in today's > NYT. > > Such ignorance-or is it an attempt to get our attention with something > "outrageous?"-is just infuriating. To me, JM did something far more > admirable than > break rules: she showed how fresh and original, how sensual, music can > sound > although it uses only traditional materials. > > If Yaffe were correct...how could there be a songbook with "Amelia" in it? > > The best that can be said for Yaffe is that he might have been > disoriented > by the > unusual sounds that result from conventional chords being played on guitar > in non-standard tunings. > > smoke issuing from ears, DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:00:33 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Sad news Oh man-there are no words to say-but we are with you dear friend Michael- so sorry to hear about your loss- We are stardust - BYT played on the radio as I read Sherelle's post. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:40:23 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: With Great Pleasure - Lynne Truss Lynne Truss is a popular British writer, probably most famous for her book, "Eats, Shoots and Leaves". Last week the literary passions which shaped her writings were featured in the BBC radio 4 series "With Great Pleasure". Guess what? She includes A Case of You which is both played and recited in the program. You can hear the program here:- _BBC - Radio 4 - With Great Pleasure_ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/withgreatpleasure/) Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:45:14 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: I have a new blog!!! Go look at it!!! Hey everyone I now have a new blog all of my own....Feel free to go read it and post your thoughts! I'm going to regularly be adding to it and posting comments and thoughts on various things, so check back from time to time and see what you think about it.....Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:50:40 EST From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: OOPS...lol addy for the blog...... The addy for the blog is.....http://blondeinthebleachers.blogspot.com Hope you all enjoy! Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:15:28 -0800 From: Subject: BYT time warp?? Mingus sent a great article yesterday and then there was a list of Joni's song's inducted into the HOF. But where oh where did the information below come from?? BYT was on the Ladies of the Canyon album which came out in 1970 not 1975!! Sure, she wrote it about Hawaii but it was on an obviously earlier trip. The '73 event was a concert there with Jackson Browe (although I recall it being summer of '72 because friends were there). Anyway, whether '72 or '73 she did perform it there and it was huge because of the theme and the Hawaii slack key feel. It has been recorded by several local Hawaiian artists over the years. Kakki SONG INDUCTEE: BIG YELLOW TAXI MODERN ERA. 1956 to 1981 YEAR: 1975 LYRICIST & COMPOSER: JONI MITCHELL (b. Fort Macleod, Alberta, 7 November 1943) Big Yellow Taxi is Joni Mitchells most recognized song despite having only reached number 24 on the Billboard charts upon its release in 1975 from her album Ladies of the Canyon. Admired for Mitchells unique melody and soothing vocal work, the song currently ranks as number nine on CBC Radios Top 50: The Canadian Version. Big Yellow Taxi was written in 1973 after Mitchell was in Hawaii peering out of her hotel window hoping to glimpse the breathtaking scenery, only to see an enormous parking lot. The song is about taking nature for granted. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 17:41:54 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad news I spoke with Michael earlier today...he said Rosie, I was just thinking about you...are you coming to the show? It was just then that I remembered he's in Vineland, NJ today! What time does it start? 3:00 he tells me....it's just turned 2PM. No, I exclaimed, I don't think I'll be making that one! lol I was just thinking about you as well, I'm burning your Dave Matthews vine disks I just received this week. I've lost 2 sibblings as well as both parents, so I think I know just how Michael must be feeling right about now, but I didn't want to get him started.... Rosie in NJ w/o a TV...aaarrgggggghhhhhhhh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:45:19 -0800 From: "gene" Subject: Re: questions for Joni nice thread, i'll delurk for this one. i would ask what she does with her artwork she doesn't like. gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 11:56 AM Subject: Re: questions for Joni >> magaine you meet up with Joni and >> you can actually speak. . . >> >> what are the 100 questions you would ask her? (add to the list) >> >> 1. Who is Martha? >> > > > Hi Mariannie, > > "Magaine"... asking too many questons might give Joni one. > > The question I'd ask is: "Can I have the clothes you no longer want to > wear?" I know I'm a beggar, but I love her style and love hand me downs. > > Love, > Laura > > !DSPAM:144,45c63b3b261391116226921! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:27:07 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: questions for Joni Joni: Once and for all, is it "You're notches liberation doll" or "Your notches liberation doll"? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:19:57 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If Ooh, that's a very good poem. I think I'll keep it here and read it when I feel the need. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:29:55 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If The one thing that makes me extremely nervous about Joni's new project is her reverence for this Kipling poem. I admire the sentiments expressed, but I'd scarcely call it a poem at all, merely admirable sentiments expressed in verse. For example, this line: >If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster >And treat those two impostors just the same; reminds me of Joni's lines in DJRD: "puffed up and strutting when I think I win / down and shaken when I think I lose." Joni's lines are a mini-portrait of someone (temporarily, anyway) failing at Kipling's little moral test. But isn't it more striking? And more immediate? Joni is a better poet than Kipling ever dreamed of being. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: RE: questions for Joni les list meister!!!! lol ...rascal! mischief maker...okay, i'm saying it's you're notches..as in notches on the bed post. so there. and new ones want to make comments on that? as for a question to Joni...I'd ask her what she'd like for dinner? And yes, I'd let her smoke in my place :-)) ~mags Les Irvin wrote: Joni: Once and for all, is it "You're notches liberation doll" or "Your notches liberation doll"? ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:34:46 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: grrrr! "Her chords break harmonic rules, have no technical names and defy Western musical theory." - ------------------------------- Well maybe, maybe not. But that is one of the reasons why her music is so original and inspiring. She doesn't fall into the whole traditional way of writing songs. It doesn't always have to be verse-chorus-verse-chorus, etc. She has been a huge inspiration for me lately when it comes to songwriting. Just today I wrote a new song. For what I thought was going to be the last verse, I had written two different verses. I was going to choose which I thought was better but said fuck it, and tacked an extra verse at the end where technically it shouldn't belong. I even thought of Joni for a moment after I did that and thought, "thanks." But its funny how everyone differs. Some people like apples, some like oranges. I like it all. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 20:14:49 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Rudyard Kipling, If I agree, Deb. Kipling's "If" does not represent the best of his work. Kipling, the children's author (Jungle Books, Just So Stories, Kim) is a great artist. "If" is awful--condescending, didactic and coercive. I don't even admire the sentiments expressed. At least Joni is altering the "Man" part of the last line. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Deb Messling Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 7:30 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Rudyard Kipling, If The one thing that makes me extremely nervous about Joni's new project is her reverence for this Kipling poem. I admire the sentiments expressed, but I'd scarcely call it a poem at all, merely admirable sentiments expressed in verse. For example, this line: >If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster >And treat those two impostors just the same; reminds me of Joni's lines in DJRD: "puffed up and strutting when I think I win / down and shaken when I think I lose." Joni's lines are a mini-portrait of someone (temporarily, anyway) failing at Kipling's little moral test. But isn't it more striking? And more immediate? Joni is a better poet than Kipling ever dreamed of being. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:33:51 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Returning Joni discs to the library In a message dated 2/4/07 3:02:27 AM, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: > Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 21:17:42 EST > From: Motitan@aol.com > Subject: STAS/MOA why oh why?!?! > > About a couple weeks ago or so I had to return Song To A Seagull back to the > library because someone else had ordered it and it was therefore on hold. > Checking the system, it is due back on 02/20 and one other person is in > line > ahead of me! That means another 3 weeks more without it after the 20th > unless > the person returns it beforehand. I've been thinking I should just go out > and buy it already but my cd rack is full! > - -Monika > Why not just make a tape (or a CD copy) of the library disc and be done with it? Not having room in your CD rack for another is certainly no reason to not acquire more music... what else in life is more important than music? Okay... you don't need a rack to hold love! Kenny B > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 22:38:30 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #38 > I have this > annoying obsession with wanting to convert people to the things I like. I > just want to spread the joy! Anyone else like this? > - -Monika > I don't seek to convert anyone who doesn't show an inclination to be converted. But, if someone shows the slightest interest in something I'm obsessed with, I will do everything in my power to answer their questions and satisfy their hunger. Kenny B ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #39 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)