From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #27 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 27 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 027 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cocktails anyone? [Victor Johnson ] Re: Jonifest 2007 [Michael Paz ] Re: Live reclusive [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Joni's parents [LCStanley7@aol.com] Jonifest store is open! [AsharaProducLLC@aol.com] sjc, Marianne's Headful of Quandary about Corks ["Patti Parlette" ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN [David Sapp ] downbeat's review of MINGUS: on ebay ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric ["Jill Haas" ] Win a free "Court and Spark" book - Trivia question. ["Les Irvin" ] RE: sjc, Marianne's Headful of Quandary about Corks ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN [Deb Messling ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?downloading=20joni=27s=20parents?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=20DJRD?= ["=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: Re: Cocktails anyone? "Rye whisky, rye whisky, Rye whisky, l cry, If you don't give me rye whisky, I surely will die." On Jan 26, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Darice wrote: > Free Man in Paris > Hirsch Rye Whiskey, CrC(me de Griotte, Ricard, > and a dash of bitters. served up with a lemon twist. > 9 > Here's the recipe and price for a local restaurant's creative > cocktail. > my Joni reference of the day > > Maybe someone on the list can experiment with the amounts and it > can be served at the next Joni-fest. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 07:45:34 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest 2007 Ashara- I am so sad this am. I have to pull out of the fest for this year. My tour schedule is not going to allow it. I am heart broken cause I was so looking forward to gathering with you guys. I also wanted to be there with Sarah. I have not spoken to her yet but will call her today to find out if she is still going to go. I was hoping maybe Mary Pitassi could accompany her in my place. I thought it better to release my room now cause I know you will be short. I will have to fone in my tribute to Jack. Down in Talladega, Alabama Love Paz P.S> By the way my cell is NOT working here so I can only communicate by email and IM at the moment. On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:11 PM, AsharaProducLLC@aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone! The time is getting closer and closer to JONIFEST!!!!!!!!!! Some quick items: 1) I have just finished updating the database with all the money received so far, including donations and release forms checked off. Please take the time to check the database and make sure whatever you've sent to me has been credited to you. 2) While you are there, please enter all your information, filling out as much as you can at this time. 3) If you are planning on attending the Pre-Fest (Thursday) please make sure you have checked the box for that, and all appropriate extra meals you would like. 4) All money, release forms, donation pledges and donations to Les is due on Friday, February 16th. It would be WONDERFUL if I didn't have to chase after money after that date!! :-) 5) Please send all items for the raffle to me at: Ashara Stansfield 40 Parsonage Lane Topsfield, MA 01983 USA Even if you are not coming to Jonifest, all donations for the raffle are welcome!! (You can also just bring them to Fest if you are attending.) 6) If you are not attending and would like to donate to either the scholarship fund, or to Les for the website, please send money to the same address. Checks payable to Ashara Productions, LLC (Please note on the check what the money is for.) 7) If you are on fence, and have not registered for Jonifest yet, WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR???????? There aren't a lot of rooms left, so SIGN UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! See you soon! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 06:23:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Re: Live reclusive Bene! I've had a really tough time! Seems people don't agree with your email about Joni being reclusive- just as well you wrote it, so we can learn some more from other's experinece of her. Good that you voiced some opinion. Don't you think Joni is just about the most intellectual musician ever? ...certaiunly in terms of her attention to lyrics, but just as much the music. Her orginality in words and meaning combined with her musical originality is just so profound. Unlike what I'm sounding! It's natural to think of a genius like her tending towards reclusivity. But what people describe as a uncomplicatedness in her relating to her fans also seems likely to be true. Maybe your're reclusive, Bene....estranged by your intellect?! Keep well. You obviously have a passionate connection to Joni. I've missed so much correspondence, and I hope to become more acquianted with the others' thoughts, but just by my short exposure and the nature of how I experinece Joni's music I think perhaps touches us all in a place which we can hardly describe.Has the thesis gained shape and are you perhaps now looking for a job, and have you any plans regarding the Joni Fest. I want to go but right now it seems unlikely. I initially just assumed you were American, and it was a nice surprise to hear that you are Danish. I wish you a 24-hour connection to the internet! cheers ingrid - ----- Original Message ---- From: "missblux@googlemail.com" To: Ingrid Lochrenberg Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:57:21 PM Subject: Re: Live reclusive Hi Ingrid! How have you been? I'm about to log off now, and I'll respond to your email (and to Norma Jean's at the same time) tomorrow, but I just thought I'd say hi. I hope all is well! Best Bene _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:27:16 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Joni's parents Michael pointed us to: > http://www.cbc.ca/jonimitchell/ > Thanks Michael, I hadn't listened to the short clips of the 2006 interviews of Joni's parents before that are on this website. It really moved me to hear them. To be in their 90's, so sharp, and together with each other.... that in it's own right regardless of who their daughter is, is incredible. Joni is good fruit from good seed. I am very moved by them. They strike me like a beautiful impressionist painting in living medium that changes me for the better and are now painted on my soul. Love, Laura NPIMH: "Tell me the story of long long ago..." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:17:47 EST From: AsharaProducLLC@aol.com Subject: Jonifest store is open! The Jonifest Store is now open! If you'd like to purchase memorabilia from Jonifest 2007, with the new logo, go here to order: _http://jonifest.jmdl.com/_ (http://jonifest.jmdl.com/) and click on the store link. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 16:47:39 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc, Marianne's Headful of Quandary about Corks Yesterday a child came out to wonder: >I jUSt >don't >KNow whAT >to do with >ALL ThESe CORKS > And Catherine replied: "Put a cork in it!" Put a cork in what, mon amie? Hey (bright as a neon light)! I have got a thing That's unique and new To prove it I'll have The last laugh on you Cuz instead of one idea, I've got two! 1. I know no one's going to show you everything, but try this, Little (Miss Tree) Green. Go up in your sterilized room, and put them in a Circle Game! Voila: "WINE CORKS: Wrap 75 or so (that's some party) in a tight circle with a strip of bent wood, like walnut. Secure the ends of the wood, and make a trivet." I'd recommend arbutus or pinewood, though. Or go to a tree museum and look for other nice wood. You know there may be more. : ) And only use Rhine wine (Milk of the Madonna) corks, naturellement. Anyway, fwiw, that suggestion is from a column by someone named Marni Jameson, and that particular suggestion is from "Re-Creative: 50 Projects for Turning Found Items in Contemporary Design" by Steve Dodds. On a more serious, Joni-environmentalist note, shes goes on to write: "DON'T BUY NEW. Everything you need is already made. If people would buy more home decor from flea markets, garage sales and antique stores instead of from the mall, they'd do the plantet a favor and have more fun. When we redistribute instead of buying new, we save not only the planet's resources but also all the costs of advertising, packaging, shipping and distributing." Back to silly.... Idea #2: I jUSt >don't >KNow whAT >to do with >ALL ThESe CORKS > Hey farmer, farmer: put them with all this tossed salad and scrambled eggs you've stared a hole into while watching the waitresses legs. Shooby doo bop, it's Saturday! Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: CNN reporting on the anti-war protest in DC. I hope they spread their light like blazes all across the sky. Regrets, coyotes -- I wish I could have gotten off the pillows and followed my wanderlust there. _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Inspiration for "You Turn Me On" Out of lurkdom for a few moments here. I read a review of Marc Fisher's book "Something in the Air" in a NYTimes Book Review article (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/books/review/Marsh.t.html) and there is a passage about Joni's inspiration for "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio" that in my 10 years here on the list I had not heard: "Fisher has little to say about anything that happened outside the East Coast. B. Mitchell Reed, the great Los Angeles disc jockey who inspired Joni Mitchells You Turn Me On, Im a Radio, is mentioned only briefly, for his work in San Francisco." Can any of you long-time left coasters shed a litle light here? Thanks, and happy birthday wishes to Jody (of the ever-present Johnson family!) and Danilo too! take good care everybody, Brian in south jersey - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:40:24 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. - -----Original Message----- Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." Name: Tom email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:17:00 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN I was listening to the CBC radio snippets with Bill and Myrtle Anderson -- they were talking about Chuck Mitchell and Bill commented that Chuck did not treat Joni well and in fact sold the copyright to the Both Sides Now song for a couple hundred dollars -- could this possibly be correct? The interviews are very interesting by way, Bill is very supportive and seems as if Joni can do no wrong in his eyes -- of course Myrtle is a little more reserved in her judgments of Joni's talents. Anyway thanks to the person who posted the link... ... signing off for now, Peace, David - --------------------------------- Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:30:40 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: downbeat's review of MINGUS: on ebay The downbeat issue in which they positively reviewed MINGUS is on ebay. Back then it wasn't printed on glossy paper; it was more like newsprint, so the pages are thin and yellow. Anyway, someone is selling the August 9, 1979 issue on ebay (item 150083931099). I have no connection to the seller but he has positive feedback and a very long history. The September 6, 1979 is has Joni Mitchell on the cover because they interviewed her about Charles, Sue, the healers down in Mexico, a bullfight, and Jaco (if memory serves). That's in a separate auction #150083931258. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:47:49 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN - --- David Sapp wrote: > I was listening to the CBC radio snippets with Bill > and Myrtle Anderson -- they were talking about Chuck > Mitchell and Bill commented that Chuck did not treat > Joni well and in fact sold the copyright to the Both > Sides Now song for a couple hundred dollars -- could > this possibly be correct? The interviews are very > interesting by way, Bill is very supportive and > seems as if Joni can do no wrong in his eyes -- of > course Myrtle is a little more reserved in her > judgments of Joni's talents. Anyway thanks to the > person who posted the link... ... signing off for > now, I was just listening to it too. Bill sounds like a great Dad. I got the feeling that maybe Myrtle's health might not be as good as Bill's, because she seemed to have a bit of difficulty talking. But - they're both in their 90s and it's remarkable how good they do sound. Bill came across as such a gentleman too - trying to suggest that Chuck wasn't such a great guy, without putting him down too much. He did mention that one of the good things Chuck did was to help Joni with learning how to play the guitar. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:24:06 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Message from Website I may be wrong, but I always hear it as "Johnny Angel," which would be ironic in juxtaposing an innocent teen anthem with the content of the song. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:40 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: FW: Message from Website Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. - -----Original Message----- Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." Name: Tom email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:44:13 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song by that name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, mimicking it exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? note at the end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, and you can move directly into the next line of the original tune: Johnny Angel How I love him.... So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think it sound like she is singing "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" To: Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: FW: Message from Website Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. - -----Original Message----- Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." Name: Tom email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:48:02 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Win a free "Court and Spark" book - Trivia question. Joniphiles - I've been fortunate enough to have been sent some free copies of the new book "Court and Spark" by Sean Nelson. Part of Continuum's "33 1/3" series, the book is a song-by-song analysis of Joni's 1974 release. Check out more info on the book here: http://tinyurl.com/3yumz6 The first 5 people to email me the correct answer to this trivia question will win the book: What was the name that Joni gave to the band that played with her on her 1983 tour? (Hint: Joni credited them by name on a certain piece of media that was released) Good luck! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:07:11 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: SJC Re: Live reclusive Forgot to cc the list... On 1/27/07, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi Ingrid, > > sorry to hear that you have had a bad time, I was wondering what was > up with you. It's good to have you back on the list! Your last email > which you dedicated to all the madmen out there really said much of > what I was trying to say the other day. You are always very honest and > to the point, I like that! And its funny that you remember what I > said about my lovelife and the snows of Russia, or whatever it was. > > Yes, I guess Joni is very intellectual, although if someone said > please listen to this, this is the most intellectual musician ever I > might not feel tempted...! Maybe thats why they chose to call that DVD > A Woman of Heart and Mind. > > I am a bit of a reclusive, but may seem very extrovert at the same > time. You may be right, an estranged intellectual perhaps. Things have > to make sense to me, and I tend to keep on thinking about them untill > they do which I guess to some people seems a bit obsessive. I guess it > influences the way I see Joni, like when everyone was going on about > how beautiful she looked in that picture with Morrissey, and what > really stuck with me on that photo was the fact that she was wearing > socks in her sandals. > > Or when people said those video clips from 1970 were so amazing, and I > agreed but still I found her strikingly nervous, her shoulders were > all high and fixated. > > I am still in the UK and still have not submitted my dissertation but > I am beginning to seen the end of it. I guess when I submit will be > when the snow begins to melt in Russia.... > > There are a million places I'd like to go when I have submitted, and > one of them is the Jonifest. But it all depends, I dont have any plans > yet, and at present not a lot of money either. But that will change > too! Are you at university now? > > Enough from me, its beginning to look like the benilist not the jonilist... > > Take care > > Bene > > > On 1/27/07, Ingrid Lochrenberg wrote: > > > > Bene! > > > > I've had a really tough time! Seems people don't agree with your email > > about Joni being reclusive- just as well you wrote it, so we can learn some > > more from other's experinece of her. Good that you voiced some opinion. > > Don't you think Joni is just about the most intellectual musician ever? > > ...certaiunly in terms of her attention to lyrics, but just as much the > > music. Her orginality in words and meaning combined with her musical > > originality is just so profound. Unlike what I'm sounding! It's natural to > > think of a genius like her tending towards reclusivity. But what people > > describe as a uncomplicatedness in her relating to her fans also seems > > likely to be true. Maybe your're reclusive, Bene....estranged by your > > intellect?! Keep well. You obviously have a passionate connection to Joni. > > I've missed so much correspondence, and I hope to become more acquianted > > with the others' thoughts, but just by my short exposure and the nature of > > how I experinece Joni's music I think perhaps touches us all in a place > > which we can hardly describe.Has the thesis gained shape and are you perhaps > > now looking for a job, and have you any plans regarding the Joni Fest. I > > want to go but right now it seems unlikely. I initially just assumed you > > were American, and it was a nice surprise to hear that you are Danish. I > > wish you a 24-hour connection to the internet! > > > > cheers > > ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:10:18 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric Hi Jill, according to the songsheet it is Johnny Angel, a song which I've never heard. I always thought it was 'child angel' before I'd bought the book. Who sung 'Johnny Angel'? J On 27/01/07, Jill Haas wrote: > I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song by that > name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, mimicking it > exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? note at the > end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, and you can > move directly into the next line of the original tune: > Johnny Angel > How I love him.... > > So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think it sound like she is singing > "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? > > Jill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Les Irvin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:40 AM > Subject: FW: Message from Website > > > Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. > > -----Original Message----- > Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of > Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. > The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* > angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." > > Name: Tom > email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:21:54 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric Shelley Fabares sung "Johnny Angel". I've always heard "Charlie Angel" and took it as a reference to the Viet Nam reference of "Charlie" relative to the song about an American soldier in Viet Nam. A combination of the song and the war term. Joni's duality and all that. Bob, who had a bad crush on Shelley - ----- Original Message ---- From: Jamie's Box of Paints To: Jill Haas Cc: Les Irvin ; thomas.bogart@comcast.net; joni@smoe.org Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 3:10:18 PM Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric Hi Jill, according to the songsheet it is Johnny Angel, a song which I've never heard. I always thought it was 'child angel' before I'd bought the book. Who sung 'Johnny Angel'? J On 27/01/07, Jill Haas wrote: > I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song by that > name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, mimicking it > exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? note at the > end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, and you can > move directly into the next line of the original tune: > Johnny Angel > How I love him.... > > So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think it sound like she is singing > "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? > > Jill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Les Irvin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:40 AM > Subject: FW: Message from Website > > > Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. > > -----Original Message----- > Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of > Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. > The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* > angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." > > Name: Tom > email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:25:23 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN I don't know, but I doubt it. And if he did, surely Joni bought it back. I listened to all of those Bill/Myrtle clips, thought they were great. Joni is very lucky to still have both of her parents in good health at this stage of her life. Bob NP: XTC, "Runaway" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:33:58 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Trivia question - Addendum Joniphiles - Just to save time, the name of the Joni's band is NOT the obvious one "Refuge", nor any combination thereof. Good luck! Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:58:59 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: RE: sjc, Marianne's Headful of Quandary about Corks love your ways patti - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Patti Parlette" Yesterday a child came out to wonder: >I jUSt >don't >KNow whAT >to do with >ALL ThESe CORKS > And Catherine replied: "Put a cork in it!" Put a cork in what, mon amie? Hey (bright as a neon light)! I have got a thing That's unique and new To prove it I'll have The last laugh on you Cuz instead of one idea, I've got two! 1. I know no one's going to show you everything, but try this, Little (Miss Tree) Green. Go up in your sterilized room, and put them in a Circle Game! Voila: "WINE CORKS: Wrap 75 or so (that's some party) in a tight circle with a strip of bent wood, like walnut. Secure the ends of the wood, and make a trivet." I'd recommend arbutus or pinewood, though. Or go to a tree museum and look for other nice wood. You know there may be more. : ) And only use Rhine wine (Milk of the Madonna) corks, naturellement. Anyway, fwiw, that suggestion is from a column by someone named Marni Jameson, and that particular suggestion is from "Re-Creative: 50 Projects for Turning Found Items in Contemporary Design" by Steve Dodds. On a more serious, Joni-environmentalist note, shes goes on to write: "DON'T BUY NEW. Everything you need is already made. If people would buy more home decor from flea markets, garage sales and antique stores instead of from the mall, they'd do the plantet a favor and have more fun. When we redistribute instead of buying new, we save not only the planet's resources but also all the costs of advertising, packaging, shipping and distributing." Back to silly.... Idea #2: I jUSt >don't >KNow whAT >to do with >ALL ThESe CORKS > Hey farmer, farmer: put them with all this tossed salad and scrambled eggs you've stared a hole into while watching the waitresses legs. Shooby doo bop, it's Saturday! Love, Patti P. NPOMTV: CNN reporting on the anti-war protest in DC. I hope they spread their light like blazes all across the sky. Regrets, coyotes -- I wish I could have gotten off the pillows and followed my wanderlust there. _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards. http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:02:53 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric Hi J Shelly Faberes sang it - the song went to #1 on Billboard in 1962. I don't know who wrote it. Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" To: "Jill Haas" Cc: "Les Irvin" ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric Hi Jill, according to the songsheet it is Johnny Angel, a song which I've never heard. I always thought it was 'child angel' before I'd bought the book. Who sung 'Johnny Angel'? J On 27/01/07, Jill Haas wrote: > I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song by that > name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, mimicking it > exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? note at the > end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, and you can > move directly into the next line of the original tune: > Johnny Angel > How I love him.... > > So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think it sound like she is singing > "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? > > Jill > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Les Irvin" > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 9:40 AM > Subject: FW: Message from Website > > > Please copy Tom on any responses to this timeless question. > > -----Original Message----- > Can anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of > Black Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. > The words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* > angel. Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." > > Name: Tom > email: thomas.bogart@comcast.net > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 13:24:15 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Beat=20of=20Black=20Wings=20=2A=2A=2A=2A =2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=20Angel=20Lyric?= harpers has a very interesting article about "the estacy of influence" a plagiarism, by jonathan lethem. joni and so many of us lift our ideas from elsewhere - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:21:54 -0800 From: Bob Muller To: "Jamie's Box of Paints" , Jill Haas Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric >Shelley Fabares sung "Johnny Angel". > >I've always heard "Charlie Angel" and >took it as a reference to the Viet Nam reference of "Charlie" relative to the >song about an American soldier in Viet Nam. A combination of the song and the >war term. Joni's duality and all that. > >Bob, who had a bad crush on Shelley >----- Original Message ---- >From: Jamie's Box of Paints > >To: Jill Haas >Cc: Les Irvin >; thomas.bogart@comcast.net; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Saturday, >January 27, 2007 3:10:18 PM >Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel >Lyric > > >Hi Jill, according to the songsheet it is Johnny Angel, a song which >I've never heard. I always thought it was 'child angel' before I'd >bought the >book. Who sung 'Johnny Angel'? > >J > >On 27/01/07, Jill Haas >wrote: >> I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song >by that >> name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, >mimicking it >> exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? >note at the >> end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, >and you can >> move directly into the next line of the original tune: >> Johnny >Angel >> How I love him.... >> >> So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think >it sound like she is singing >> "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? >> >> >Jill >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Les Irvin" > >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 >9:40 AM >> Subject: FW: Message from Website >> >> >> Please copy Tom on any >responses to this timeless question. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Can >anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of >> Black >Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. >> The >words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* >> angel. >Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." >> >> Name: Tom >> email: >thomas.bogart@comcast.net >> > > >-- >I am a lonely Painter >I live in a Box of >Paints >I'm frightened by the devil >But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint >afraid... > >Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at >http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > >acting CV and showreel at >http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 > >http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk >_____________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try >it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:49:22 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Beat=20of=20Black=20Wings=20=2A=2A=2A=2A =2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=2A=20Angel=20Lyric?= i loved that song too. wasn't shelley on the donna reed show? - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:21:54 -0800 From: Bob Muller To: "Jamie's Box of Paints" , Jill Haas Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel Lyric >Shelley Fabares sung "Johnny Angel". > >I've always heard "Charlie Angel" and >took it as a reference to the Viet Nam reference of "Charlie" relative to the >song about an American soldier in Viet Nam. A combination of the song and the >war term. Joni's duality and all that. > >Bob, who had a bad crush on Shelley >----- Original Message ---- >From: Jamie's Box of Paints > >To: Jill Haas >Cc: Les Irvin >; thomas.bogart@comcast.net; joni@smoe.org >Sent: Saturday, >January 27, 2007 3:10:18 PM >Subject: Re: Beat of Black Wings *********** Angel >Lyric > > >Hi Jill, according to the songsheet it is Johnny Angel, a song which >I've never heard. I always thought it was 'child angel' before I'd >bought the >book. Who sung 'Johnny Angel'? > >J > >On 27/01/07, Jill Haas >wrote: >> I had always thought she was singing "Johnny Angel", after the song >by that >> name... Even the way she sings it is reminiscent of that song, >mimicking it >> exactly in the second repetition before she adds that minor? >note at the >> end. Try singing the second repetition without the final note, >and you can >> move directly into the next line of the original tune: >> Johnny >Angel >> How I love him.... >> >> So there's my first guess. Sometimes I think >it sound like she is singing >> "Charlie angel" also, but what do I know? >> >> >Jill >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Les Irvin" > >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 >9:40 AM >> Subject: FW: Message from Website >> >> >> Please copy Tom on any >responses to this timeless question. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Can >anyone tell me the word Joni and male vocalist are singing in "Beat of >> Black >Wings." I guess you would call it a refrain or it could be a chourus. >> The >words are not on the lyric sheet. Sounds like Joni singin "********* >> angel. >Amale sings some other words I cannot ID." >> >> Name: Tom >> email: >thomas.bogart@comcast.net >> > > >-- >I am a lonely Painter >I live in a Box of >Paints >I'm frightened by the devil >But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint >afraid... > >Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at >http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 > >acting CV and showreel at >http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 > >http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk >_____________________________________________________________________________ >_______ >Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try >it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 12:45:03 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Win=20a=20free=20=22Court=20and=20Spark= 22=20book=20=2D=20Trivia=20question=2E?= I know the band played a club in santa monica under the name DOG CHEESE. but i think that was around 87. joni never sat in with them there - ---------- Original Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:48:02 -0800 From: "Les Irvin" To: Subject: Win a free "Court and Spark" book - Trivia question. >Joniphiles - > > > >I've been fortunate enough to have been sent some free copies of the new >book "Court and Spark" by Sean Nelson. Part of Continuum's "33 1/3" series, >the book is a song-by-song analysis of Joni's 1974 release. > > > >Check out more info on the book here: > >http://tinyurl.com/3yumz6 > > > >The first 5 people to email me the correct answer to this trivia question >will win the book: > > > >What was the name that Joni gave to the band that played with her on her >1983 tour? > >(Hint: Joni credited them by name on a certain piece of media that was >released) > > > >Good luck! > >Les ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 14:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: H a P p Y B i R t H d A y , J o D y ! ! ! A little black crow told me that it's that Jody Johnson time of year! Best birthday wishes for my favorite rrrrr-pronouncing wench! XO, - --Smurf NPIMH: "The note said 'Mrs. Johnson, you're wearing your dresses way too high . . .'" . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545367 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:09:21 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Live reclusive Ingrid writes: > Joni's lyrics don't, as > far > as I know, give any clue to how she experiences her fame: or perhaps "Cactus > tree" does a bit, > Hi Ingrid, The song For the Roses pretty vividly tells me how she experienced(s) her fame: I heard it in the wind last night It sounded like applause Did you get a round resounding for you Way up here It seems like many dim years ago Since I heard that face to face Or seen you face to face Though tonight I can feel you here I get these notes On butterflies and lilac sprays From girls who just have to tell me They saw you somewhere In some office sits a poet And he trembles as he sings And he asks some guy To circulate his soul around On your mark red ribbon runner The caressing rev of motors Finely tuned like fancy women In thirties evening gowns Up the charts Off to the airport- Your name's in the news Everything's first class- The lights go down- And it's just you up there Getting them to feel like that Remember the days when you used to sit And make up your tunes for love And pour your simple sorrow To the soundhole and your knee And now you're seen On giant screens And at parties for the press And for people who have slices of you From the company They toss around your latest golden egg Speculation-well, who's to know If the next one in the nest Will glitter for them so I guess I seem ungrateful With my teeth sunk in the hand That brings me things I really can't give up just yet Now I sit up here The critic! And they introduce some band But they seem so much confetti Looking at them on my TV set Oh the power and the glory Just when you're getting a taste for worship They start bringing out the hammers And the boards And the nails I heard it in the wind last night It sounded like applause Chilly now End of summer No more shiny hot nights It was just the arbutus rustling And the bumping of the logs And the moon swept down black water Like an empty spotlight Also, there is a line she wrote about her not needing his fame because she's experienced her own... can't think of the song title nor exact words, but somebody will know on this list. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 21:24:31 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re :Live recluse Norma wrote: > I'll defend Joni as I would my own son, > mother, siblings and the rest of my family and > everyone, including animals and Earth. > Hi Norma, Are you defending Joni against another JMDLer? I'm sitting here looking at the photo inside For The Roses album where Joni needs no defending of herself against the waves and the sun in her nakedness. St. Teresa of Avila? Interior Castle or Way of Perfection or Autobiography perhaps? Ever read San Juan de la Cruz? "O living flame of love that tenderly wounds my soul in it's deepest center!" Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 19:14:20 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Joni's Foir the Roses and other Takes on Fame Hi Laura, The song is See You Sometime, from For the Roses also, and the lyrics: I'm not ready to Change my name again But you know I'm not after A piece of your fortune And your fame 'Cause I tasted mine I'd just like to see you sometime Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Live reclusive Also, there is a line she wrote about her not needing his fame because she's experienced her own... can't think of the song title nor exact words, but somebody will know on this list. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:49:18 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Message from Website - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > I may be wrong, but I always hear it as "Johnny > Angel," which would be > ironic in juxtaposing an innocent teen anthem with > the content of the song. > I hear Johnny Angel too, though some say, Charlie Angel, Charlie being (apparently) the name that Vietnamee people gave to American soldiers (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) The other stuff, that sounds a bit like scat singing, or could be human voice imitating helicopter blades whirring, may, or may not, be "Gotta get way up - gotta get way up!" that'w what I sing when I do that song. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 22:53:16 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Joni, Chuck, Bill and Myrtle and BSN I haven't listened to the interviews yet. But don't many of us have copies of Joni singing BSN on Gene Shay's radio program three days after she wrote it? I thought these broadcasts were from 1967, or 1966 at the earliest, and I'm pretty sure Chuck was out of the picture by that time - so what would give him the right to sell anything relating to that song? At 01:17 PM 1/27/2007, you wrote: >I was listening to the CBC radio snippets with Bill and Myrtle >Anderson -- they were talking about Chuck Mitchell and Bill >commented that Chuck did not treat Joni well and in fact sold the >copyright to the Both Sides Now song for a couple hundred dollars -- >could this possibly be correct? - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 04:05:06 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni reclusive? Well said, Kakki. A tip of my Joni beret to you! But I just had to laugh (cause it's all so crazy) when you talked about people "pawing" at her. Hanging on my wall, right next to my blue-screened computer, is the gorgeous photo of Julius and Joni in the elevator in SF, where Julius is "pawing" at her (more like mauling her!). It's a beautiful picture that I treasure. It stand out like a ruby. Joni looks shining as Julius reels her in and she leans her head against his. His "magic moment", for sure. (Although you know, there may be more.) Love, Patti P. I chuckled at the description of Joni being reclusive. That really is not her personality. I've said it before but it is amazing how "regular" and "normal" she is when you meet her in person. She really is like one of the gang. She is very engaged and interactive with people. However, any "regular" person could be overwhelmed by people coming at her from all directions, psychically "pawing" her, so to speak. When she had her art exhibit here in 1999, she was very accessible, and while there was a bit of a crush of people, she hung out (albeit outside on the smoking stairway) and spoke with just about everyone. The latest exhibit in November was a little different. I was kind of cringing at how people were crushing around her with video and digital cameras in her face. It was kind of awful to behold. She quickly retreated to a more private smoking spot and some people were let back to meet with her. That is not being reclusive - that is justifiably wanting to set some kind of boundary. Very different from 1999 where it all seemed to flow more nicely. I recall reading the reports of the Saskatoon art exhibit and that perhaps it was somewhat more civilized but I wasn't there. I understand fans' enthusiasm to see her - believe me, but geez, some people should hang back a little! She put herself out there to meet everyone so she is not hiding out, but it would drive me to distraction to be subjected to that kind of overload. Kakki _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=football ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:17:59 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?downloading=20joni=27s=20parents?= - ---------- Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:14:55 -0800 From: "LESLI A WATTS" To: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: njc, Johnny Angel, then Joni Angels > > >me either pointers anyone? > > > > "Patti Parlette" > >To: joni@smoe.org > >Subject: njc, Johnny Angel, then Joni Angels > > > > > > > >>P.S. I couldn't open Joni's parents on my home computer. Merde. I can't > >>wait to hear them! > >> > >>_________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:37:43 -0800 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?LESLI=20A=20WATTS?=" Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20=20DJRD?= so many beautiful, thoughtful and analytical posts about one of my favorite ablums. i thought i read somewhere that don juan's reckless daughter was composed as a score for a movie. to me that explained the way the parts were a little dissonant, not really cohesive. was this a movie score? like many of joni's songs at first i dismissed it. then popping it in my car tape player years later it wowed me. i couldn't stop listening to it. i'm such a heretic that i actually gave away THOSL after a couple of listens. the lyrics about suburbia stung and i thought who does she think she is? now i have come to believe that she knew very well that she was ensnared in the fishnet windows of bloomingdales and all that herself. as for the music on hosl again, i love it now. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #27 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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