From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #19 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 019 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Euro Jonifest, etc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Joni's height and privacy [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on [Bob Muller ] RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Stephen Toogood" ] FW: Message from Website ["Les Irvin" ] J's height [Kate Johnson ] Re: FW: Message from Website [Catherine McKay ] RE: Message from Website ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Victor Johnson ] RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lam] RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Euro Jonifest, etc ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Bob Dylan and C&S ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Randy Remote" ] The Alberta Ballet production [Brian Gross ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Bob Dylan and C&S ["Stephen Toogood" ] Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on [mags h ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [mags h ] Re: Euro Jonifest, etc [mags h ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Azeem Ali Khan" Subject: Euro Jonifest, etc The Atlantic is not the only ocean some people need to cross to get to a Euro Jonifest. I'd still like to see one happen somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Mark in Sydney (not Europe or North America) Hi Mark Sorry for leaving you out mate! Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 09:53:32 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's height and privacy A different kind of person wrote: > Now I am different...I would love to know personal stuff about her. Let's > see...I would love to know her shoe size..does she eat oatmeal for > breakfast. What was the last book she read. Her favorite > perfume...soap....shampoo. And..of course..more heavy stuff...greatest > fears...everyday worries. But I would not invade her personal space > .....and would never ask her this stuff because I have a tremendous amount > of respect for her. I don't care for nervy people...so I would never > want to become what I can't tolerate in other people. > > Marianne's original question: I'm a Gemini and a smidgen under 5' > 10'.....oh...shoe size: 10..;-) > Hi Diffy, Do you eat oatmeal for breakfast and what book did you read last? What's your favorite perfume, soap, and shampoo? What are your greatest fears and everday worries? And do you like pina coladas and getting caught in the rain? I'll tell you mine if you'll tell me yours. Forgive me if asking is too nervy. Tell me off list if it is... or don't tell me at all if it really really is. Love, Fair Lady PS. 9.5 narrow, and I confess, my feet know your black sneakers well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:05:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on You're correct in thinking that Clouds gets short shrift here, Monika. In the JMDL album poll (http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm), Clouds has yet to crack the top ten, always finishing 12-14, above her 80's work but below her 70's work and STAS. And it's certainly not due to any weakness on Clouds' part, rather I think it's just the strength of that 70's output. Myself, I was late to Clouds. My Joni experience started with C&S, then Hejira and everything after that as it came out, and then in the 80's I begin backfilling. When my son was born, our neighbors had a girl his same age so they would play together. One day I was thumbing through their LP collection and saw Clouds and asked if I could borrow it - I did, and I transferred it to tape and grew to really enjoy it. I find it a bit more laid-back than most of her other work, perhaps due to its heavily acoustic nature. A great early-morning coffee sipping record. My fave song on it is "I Think I Understand", gorgeous musically and so powerfully inspirational lyrically. "Both Sides Now" is of course a masterpiece (when I taped the LP I put it at the beginning and end of the tape), "That Song About the Midway" (check out Bonnie Raitt's version if you haven't heard it, it is masterful). I find "Songs to Aging Children Come", "Tin Angel", and "Roses Blue" very distant lyrically, but I love to listen to them for the challenging chord progressions alone - I can appreciate them at that level 100%. And...Clouds is one of the few Joni albums that has 100% coverage...that is, every song on it has been recorded by someone else. Bob NP: REM, "Try Not To Breathe" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:47:12 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Clouds was the first Joni album I ever heard. I agree with you about the innocent and childlike feel of this album - it may be why it grabbed me so much; I was only thirteen! The first song that blew me away was The Gallery, and the last song to grab me was That Song About the Midway - it took me some years to appreciate, and now it's my favorite song from the album. At 12:41 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote: > So what do you think of the album? What songs do you particularly >enjoy? What was your first experience with the album and how do >you feel about it >comparatively now? >-Monika - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Hello! It nice to know another girl/woman who also grew up with Joni! Norma Jean - --- Deb Messling wrote: > Clouds was the first Joni album I ever heard. I > agree with you about > the innocent and childlike feel of this album - it > may be why it > grabbed me so much; I was only thirteen! The first > song that blew me > away was The Gallery, and the last song to grab me > was That Song > About the Midway - it took me some years to > appreciate, and now it's > my favorite song from the album. > > At 12:41 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote: > > So what do you think of the album? What > songs do you particularly > >enjoy? What was your first experience with the > album and how do > >you feel about it > >comparatively now? > >-Monika > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:26:32 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on I wonder how many grew up with Joni, since childhood? Since I was a very small girl, we listened to Willie Nelson over and over, because he was a DJ for a little boon dock town right out of San Antonio, playing gigs at all the red-neck honky-tonks. My dad would always go hang out wherever Willie was at, back in the 60's and he left us alone often with my mother. He could appreciate his talent and of course, they knew each other. After that, it was Joni, which I found at the age of twelve along with all the beautiful colorful sweet tangible and intangible things and senses like oranges and ice cream castles and fairy tales and the oceans and mountains and Persian lace and all that stuff little girls love and day-dream about. Then came "Blue" and I was just ripe for the Joni pickin'. My first experience with Love with those first touches of warmth and tenderness and the stinging and burning of what was to come with those silky veils of ardor, which I had never felt nor seen. So, you see, how can I separate with something that's in my blood? Norma Jean - --- Bob Muller wrote: > You're correct in thinking that Clouds gets short > shrift here, Monika. > > In the > JMDL album poll > (http://jmdl.com/poll/albumpoll.cfm), Clouds has yet > to crack > the top ten, always finishing 12-14, above her 80's > work but below her 70's > work and STAS. > > And it's certainly not due to any weakness on > Clouds' part, > rather I think it's just the strength of that 70's > output. Myself, I was late > to Clouds. My Joni experience started with C&S, then > Hejira and everything > after that as it came out, and then in the 80's I > begin backfilling. When my > son was born, our neighbors had a girl his same age > so they would play > together. One day I was thumbing through their LP > collection and saw Clouds > and asked if I could borrow it - I did, and I > transferred it to tape and grew > to really enjoy it. > > I find it a bit more laid-back than most of her > other > work, perhaps due to its heavily acoustic nature. A > great early-morning coffee > sipping record. My fave song on it is "I Think I > Understand", gorgeous > musically and so powerfully inspirational lyrically. > "Both Sides Now" is of > course a masterpiece (when I taped the LP I put it > at the beginning and end of > the tape), "That Song About the Midway" (check out > Bonnie Raitt's version if > you haven't heard it, it is masterful). > > I find "Songs to Aging Children > Come", "Tin Angel", and "Roses Blue" very distant > lyrically, but I love to > listen to them for the challenging chord > progressions alone - I can appreciate > them at that level 100%. > > And...Clouds is one of the few Joni albums that has > 100% coverage...that is, every song on it has been > recorded by someone else. > Bob > > NP: REM, "Try Not To Breathe" > _____________________________________________________________________________ > _______ > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for > Mobile. Get started. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:34:19 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have to agree. I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - create something special and unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated her core from it. Besides, didn't she create something special all the way back with her first album (any STAS fans?). amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: "anon anon" >Reply-To: "anon anon" >To: Joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major problems with DJRD may >be that there is something kind of "detached" about the record... I enjoy >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really that emotionally involved >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", "hejira"... those albums seem to >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart and soul... DJRD >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance in my opinion... maybe in >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe she was happier at the >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as involved in the album... > >_________________________________________________________________ >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 _________________________________________________________________ Find Love This New Year With match.com! http://msnuk.match.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Could you please give me specifics why you don't feel Joni's core in DJRD? I don't know why I can't feel this detachment. It bothers me. Was Joni that wired out on cocaine? Sincerely, normajean - --- Stephen Toogood wrote: > I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have > to agree. > I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - > create something special and > unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated > her core from it. > Besides, didn't she create something special all the > way back with her first > album (any STAS fans?). > > amelio747 > > www.myspace.com/parkertristan > > >From: "anon anon" > >Reply-To: "anon anon" > >To: Joni@smoe.org > >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > problems with DJRD may > >be that there is something kind of "detached" > about the record... I enjoy > >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > that emotionally involved > >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", > "hejira"... those albums seem to > >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart > and soul... DJRD > >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance > in my opinion... maybe in > >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe > she was happier at the > >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as > involved in the album... > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is > here. Get all the scoop. > >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Find Love This New Year With match.com! > http://msnuk.match.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:00:10 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: STAS Knew it wasn't just me! STAS is one of my fave Joni albums. Initially it was the only Joni album my flatmate liked, then he warmed to clouds... and I think he likes LOTC too, oh and MOI! amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Em >To: Stephen Toogood >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:39:25 -0800 (PST) > >Hi, I adore STAS. >:) >Em > > >--- Stephen Toogood wrote: > > Besides, didn't she create something special all the way back with > > her first > > album (any STAS fans?). _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:09:42 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I remember reading in one of Joni's biographies, her saying around about the time, and don't quote me, that she could play guitar better than any man. Her playing was very sharp at the time, and I believe she approached the music different because of this confidance. These are just my thoughts and speculations. amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: Norma Jean Garza >Reply-To: Norma Jean Garza >To: Stephen Toogood >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:41:59 -0800 (PST) > >Could you please give me specifics why you don't feel >Joni's core in >DJRD? >I don't know why I can't feel this detachment. It >bothers me. >Was Joni that wired out on cocaine? > >Sincerely, >normajean > >--- Stephen Toogood wrote: > > > I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have > > to agree. > > I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - > > create something special and > > unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated > > her core from it. > > Besides, didn't she create something special all the > > way back with her first > > album (any STAS fans?). > > > > amelio747 > > > > www.myspace.com/parkertristan > > > > >From: "anon anon" > > >Reply-To: "anon anon" > > >To: Joni@smoe.org > > >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > > > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > > problems with DJRD may > > >be that there is something kind of "detached" > > about the record... I enjoy > > >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > > that emotionally involved > > >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", > > "hejira"... those albums seem to > > >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart > > and soul... DJRD > > >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance > > in my opinion... maybe in > > >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe > > she was happier at the > > >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as > > involved in the album... > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is > > here. Get all the scoop. > > >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > Find Love This New Year With match.com! > > http://msnuk.match.com > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Be a PS3 game guru. >Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! >Games. >http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:17:42 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >that emotionally involved in the album I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's MOST emotionally involved lyrics of her career. "If I'd only seen through the silky veils of ardor What a killing crime this love can be I would have locked up my heart In a golden sheath of armor And kept its crazy beating Under strictest secrecy" "It's been stinger to stinger darling It's been heart to heart You still keep me from finishing Any new love I start" Les NP: The Replacements "I will dare" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:24:09 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: FW: Message from Website Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email on any responses) - -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song which I think was written by a very young Joni Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social injustice, a young white girl dating a young black guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any information would be great: name of song, name of album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) Name: Sheree email: shezza40@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:23:21 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: J's height I wouldn't bet my life on my guess, Jim. It's just that if she'd been, oh, 5'8", I'd have thought she was a tall woman. And I didn't; I thought she was close to my height. I agree with the person who posted that she'd like to know details about Joni -- what she eats for breakfast, her shoe size, etc -- I'm the same. These kinds of details are what bring a fictional character to life in a novel, and it only makes sense that this is the case for real people we don't know personally, too. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org > What? This changes everything. Gees, I'll have to re-evaluate her > now. :) > > Jim L. > > > Kate in SK wrote: >> I'm just a smidgin under 5'5" and I believe she is a little taller, > maybe 5'6"> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:42:15 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: FW: Message from Website Not Joni. Janis Ian: Society's Child. - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email > on any responses) > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM > > Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song > which I think was written by a very young Joni > Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation > vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social > injustice, a young white girl dating a young black > guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I > can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you > anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, > somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any > information would be great: name of song, name of > album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) > > Name: Sheree > email: shezza40@yahoo.com > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:42:27 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Message from Website Sheree, The song you are looking for is "Society's Child" by Janis Ian. http://www.janisian.com/ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Les Irvin Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:24 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: FW: Message from Website Can anyone help Sheree? (Be sure to copy her email on any responses) - -----Original Message----- Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:43 AM Hi there, I'm trying to find out the name of a song which I think was written by a very young Joni Mitchell (teenager) that I had on a compilation vinyl album in the 70s. It was about social injustice, a young white girl dating a young black guy and one line of lyrics in the chorus was "I can't see you anymore, baby, I can't see you anymore". I'd like to get a copy of the song, somehow, somewhere on some sort of media! Any information would be great: name of song, name of album it might be on. Thanks, Sheree (Australia) Name: Sheree email: shezza40@yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:52:08 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I think it can be deceiving, what some may view as detachment, others may view as core, heart and soul. I know many people who don't enjoy jazz and just don't get it. When I went to see McCoy Tyner w/Ravi Coltrane and Pharaoh Sanders, my friend was mildy interested while I was completely mesmerized, as if it gripped my very soul. When I first discovered Joni Mitchell, it was STAS that drew me in. For quite awhile, I was only familiar with her early work until much later, after I had forged heavily into jazz (ala Miles Davis, Ella Fitzgerald, John Coltrane, etc...), and I listened to Hejira, HOSL, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and got deeply into these albums. Knowing what I know of Joni and of the pursuit of jazz, the spirituality of it, the virtues of writing music and exploring the unknown, delving into the subconscious, I see these later albums as baring her soul, albeit in a different way than STAS. Victor NP: Ella Fitzgerald Mack the Knife (Live in Berlin) On Jan 21, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Les Irvin wrote: > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >> it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >> that emotionally involved in the album > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of > Joni's MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. > > "If I'd only seen through the silky veils of ardor > What a killing crime this love can be > I would have locked up my heart > In a golden sheath of armor > And kept its crazy beating > Under strictest secrecy" > > "It's been stinger to stinger darling > It's been heart to heart > You still keep me from finishing > Any new love I start" > > Les > NP: The Replacements "I will dare" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:55:34 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Yikes, I've done it again. A family friend gave me a cassette of Ian & Sylvia after we talked about Joni. I tried it but it's not for me. Richard, I'm glad you enjoy them. Jim L. > From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Fighting words, Jim. I revere Ian & Sylvia. > From: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama > The reason I overlook the album > "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a > synthetic ernestness. >>> Motitan@aol.com >>>My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! I >>>don't understand why.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:46:36 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Well, of course we wouldn't really come to blows over it. There are naturally some records of Ian & Sylvia that sound dated, but their albums "Ian & Sylvia" (1962) "Four Strong Winds" (1963) "Northern Journey" "Early Morning Rain" (1964) and "Play One More" (1965) still sound great to me. And the first "Great Speckled Bird" album (1970) will never sound dated to me: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Speckled_Bird_%28band%29 Not to mention that any duo that can write "Four Strong Winds" and "Someday Soon" (Ian) and "You Were on My Mind" (Sylvia) deserves its place in the folk music pantheon. But I like "Clouds," too. Here's my top ten Joni albums list in ranked order: 1. For the Roses* 2. Hejira* 3. Blue 4. Hissing of Summer Lawns 5. Song to a Seagull 6. Clouds 7. Ladies of the Canyon 8. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter 9. Night Ride Home 10. Court and Spark * I consider this to be a virtual tie for 1st place. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:56 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'JMDL' Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Yikes, I've done it again. A family friend gave me a cassette of Ian & Sylvia after we talked about Joni. I tried it but it's not for me. Richard, I'm glad you enjoy them. Jim L. > From: Richard Flynn [mailto:rflynn@frontiernet.net] > Fighting words, Jim. I revere Ian & Sylvia. > From: Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama > The reason I overlook the album > "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a > synthetic ernestness. >>> Motitan@aol.com >>>My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! I >>>don't understand why.>>> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:02:31 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Geaux SAINTS Off to Pete's Bar and Grill downtown LA to watch the New Orleans Saints play the NFC championship and go marching in to the Superbowl. Go Saints! Everybody pull for us please! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:42:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Euro Jonifest, etc Hi Laurent, I would really love to attend a Euro Jonifest at some time and think your idea is a good one. I can't attend every Jonifest but I have attended two in the U.S. I would like the opportunity one day to attend two Euro ones as well! I loved the pictures that were posted about it! They were absolutely beautiful and breathtaking! Italy or France, both are beautiful locations! Sincerely, Sherelle From: "Laurent Olszer" Just wanted to submit the idea of a Euro Jonifest every other year. I think that it would make it easier on everybody's budget if they didn't have to cross the Atlantic every year, and thus promote exchange and meeting among jmdlers who would otherwise not come. If needed, Jean Yves will be glad to welcome it again in France. Or there were other offers from Italy. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:50:10 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and C&S Eeeks! Court & Spark is the first Joni album I ever heard and so it has to be my favorite followed by Shadows and Light (must get Miles of Aisles to compare the two though!) I have to say in poor Bob's defense that C&S just calms my soul every time I listen to it. It has that affect on me. I just start feeling "Mellow Yellow" every time I hear it. I'm hoping that was the case with Bob Dylan along with fatigue though it would hurt my feelings if I were the artist presenting new material to a fellow artist and friend. I understand where you are coming from Monkika! Sherelle Monika wrote: I had read in an interview with Joni, that after she recorded C&S, she played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! Bob, come on man! Chances are he probably was tired and all and didn't mean it to be an insult (I presume anyhow), but how rude! I find that such a very, very mean thing to let yourself do. It'd be one thing to listen to the album and then say oh I think it's a piece of shit but to fall asleep when its playing for the first time?!?!? Atleast if you say you don't like it, you know you atleast gave it the attention and respect it deserved to be able to come to that conclusion. And when coming from one artist to another I'd think you'd be more respectful than that as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Dylan's music (Sub. Homesick Blues is my favourite song of his or one of them), and I think he's a pretty funny guy from what I know but the man can be mean...... - - -Monika _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:43:41 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Victor wrote: I listened to Hejira, HOSL, > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and got deeply into these albums. > Knowing what I know of Joni and of the pursuit of jazz, the > spirituality of it, the virtues of writing music and exploring the > unknown, delving into the subconscious, I see these later albums as > baring her soul, albeit in a different way than STAS. I appreciate your sensitive view about Joni's later work and progression. I cannot think about her works in better terms, that's what make her so grand: the pull and nerve to explore, expose herself (to herself first) and experience life with an unbearable intensity at times. She is pure sensitivy ... even in DED, an album I tend to appreciate by reading the lyrics.rather than the music (though Dave Blackburn's remaster of DED is very nice, thank you Dave). The so called jazz period that saw HOSL, Hejira, DJRD and Mingus cannot be so easily detached from what came before and after, and I'm not talking in musicology terms of course. I feel every single song bares her soul, she is orbiting around the sun too and thus following her own rhythm & coherence... but the sensitivity and emotionality seems blue printed in every piece. Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:03:43 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >>it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >>that emotionally involved in the album > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's > MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. That's what I was thinking-while DJRD has many moods, these two songs must be among her most intense, Scorpionic pieces ever. And the guitar playing-she is really slapping the shit out of it, but focused, too. A really stunning way to end the album, the way it started, with voice and guitar, and with the title track preceeding, a very weighty side of vinyl at the time. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:14:40 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: The Alberta Ballet production It would appear as though our Joan has a bit more to do with the upcoming Alberta Ballet production than just giving permision for her music to be used: http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20070121/ca_pr_on_en/arts_joni_mitchell_ballet_1 Joni Mitchell's Alta. ballet production sparks unexpected worldwide attention STEVE LILLEBUEN EDMONTON (CP) - The reclusive Joni Mitchell, singer-songwriter, environmentalist, painter and icon for a generation, is dancing up a storm of interest over her latest creation - a ballet set to her own music and artwork. Mitchell has joined with the Alberta Ballet Company to produce "The Fiddle and The Drum," which will be performed over five dates between Calgary and Edmonton next month. Since dance rehearsals began two months ago, calls for interviews have been ringing in from all over the world. "We never expected anything like this," said Jean Grande-Maitre, the ballet's artistic director. "We're seeing interest in the creation of a ballet unlike anything we've ever seen in the history of the company, actually." Interest is so high, he said, that both the Sunday Times in London and the New York Times are publishing feature-length articles on the production. The BBC has expressed interest in sending a camera crew to film the event, and Bravo, the specialty arts channel, will broadcast the performance at a later date on cable TV. Grande-Maitre has also received calls from the British tabloid HELLO!, a daily newspaper in Germany, several arts magazines scattered across Europe, and a few dozen radio stations and newspapers from all across Canada and the U.S. For the small-market ballet company, which produces only five shows a year, it's been a bit overwhelming. For Mitchell, who will be inducted into the Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame on Jan. 28, it's even more daunting because it's her big debut after years away from the public eye. "Whenever she comes out (into public) it's like suddenly everybody goes after her and she gets overwhelmed by it," he said. "She's not always the most comfortable person with the media." Mitchell's agent said she's cut the cord on media requests for the time being. She's too focused on final preparations and won't speak about the ballet until a week before the grand opening. The ballet is 48 minutes long and will feature nine songs from Mitchell's musical repertoire. The production is centred on environmental issues and world violence, stretching from the Vietnam War to the present day. Grande-Maitre wrote to Mitchell nearly a year ago, asking her to consider working on the project. "I was more interested in collaboration than just getting the rights to use her music," he explained. "Joni Mitchell has always loved ballet and dance, and being involved in this way interested her a lot." It's a production that gives Mitchell, responsible for such radio hits as "Big Yellow Taxi," and "Both Sides Now," a chance to combine her various artistic endeavours into one setting. She has led a side-career as a painter since the '80s, but has rarely shown her artwork publicly and has never placed it up for sale. Now she has spent at least 100 hours on the ballet, creating a video installation that will be projected on large screens above the dancers. "The fusion of art forms from her music to the visual arts and dance is so interesting to see," he said. "It was an idea that started with a little bit of talk, and it's blossomed into this wonderful project that is getting such international attention." Copyright ) 2007 Canadian Press I hope some jmdlers get to see this production, and report back to us. back to the shadows, Brian nw: Michael's Saints being mauled by the Bears (geaux Saints, esp after what you did to my Eagles) - ----------------------------------------------------------- Politicians and diapers both need to be changed often. And usually for the same reasons. - ----------------------------------------------------------- ____________________________________________________________________________________ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 16:40:39 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Les wrote: > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. > > YES!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 22:08:59 +0000 From: "Stephen Toogood" Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and C&S Oddly, Court & Spark was one of the last Joni albums I got. So, I was surprised how quickly and easily I got into it. The title track is one of my favourites, it's a really seductive song and I love then piano. Her voice is at it's best too, it's before she went all 'grown up'! Sherelle, you simply must get MOI, where her voice is also stunning! Though, it's nothing like SAL. amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: "Sherelle Smith" >Reply-To: "Sherelle Smith" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Bob Dylan and C&S >Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:50:10 +0000 > >Eeeks! > >Court & Spark is the first Joni album I ever heard and so it has to be my >favorite followed by Shadows and Light (must get Miles of Aisles to compare >the two though!) I have to say in poor Bob's defense that C&S just calms my >soul every time I listen to it. It has that affect on me. I just start >feeling "Mellow Yellow" every time I hear it. I'm hoping that was the case >with Bob Dylan along with fatigue though it would hurt my feelings if I >were the artist presenting new material to a fellow artist and friend. I >understand where you are coming from Monkika! > >Sherelle > >Monika wrote: > >I had read in an interview with Joni, that after she recorded C&S, she >played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! Bob, come on man! >Chances are he probably was tired and all and didn't mean it to be an >insult (I >presume anyhow), but how rude! I find that such a very, very mean thing >to let >yourself do. It'd be one thing to listen to the album and then say oh I >think it's a piece of shit but to fall asleep when its playing for the >first >time?!?!? Atleast if you say you don't like it, you know you atleast gave >it >the >attention and respect it deserved to be able to come to that conclusion. >And when coming from one artist to another I'd think you'd be more >respectful >than that as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Dylan's music (Sub. >Homesick >Blues is my favourite song of his or one of them), and I think he's a >pretty >funny guy from what I know but the man can be mean...... >- -Monika > >_________________________________________________________________ >Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger >http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:55:59 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on I like Clouds too, first time I heard many of the songs was via Miles of Ailes. Ive always had a bit of a backward education a la Joni. And so it goes. I like going back to work that Ive not heard in a while, and see how it fits into where I am, now. Sometimes , I am surprised to learn that Im not into something as much as I used to be. And then, there's the revisiting things that just hit me in ways like never before. I love when that happens. This list helps to pull me back into the centre . Mags Deb Messling wrote: Clouds was the first Joni album I ever heard. I agree with you about the innocent and childlike feel of this album - it may be why it grabbed me so much; I was only thirteen! The first song that blew me away was The Gallery, and the last song to grab me was That Song About the Midway - it took me some years to appreciate, and now it's my favorite song from the album. At 12:41 PM 1/20/2007, you wrote: > So what do you think of the album? What songs do you particularly >enjoy? What was your first experience with the album and how do >you feel about it >comparatively now? >-Monika - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:58:58 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter LOVE Song to a Seagull....love it, moody , wonderful . I dont know, David Crosby said it's not a great production, but to me, that's all relative. I just thought I would mention that if something comes up NJC, Im not seeing it. So if anyone's been writing to me about anything Ive written under the njc tag...please remember to include me. Man, does that ever sound filled with self importance ;-PP Mags, catching up np: Jesse DeNatale, Montgomery Street. Stephen Toogood wrote: I'd not thought of DJRD like that before, but I have to agree. I appreciate what Joni was trying to do there - create something special and unique, but yes I feel in her efforts she seperated her core from it. Besides, didn't she create something special all the way back with her first album (any STAS fans?). amelio747 www.myspace.com/parkertristan >From: "anon anon" >Reply-To: "anon anon" >To: Joni@smoe.org >Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter >Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major problems with DJRD may >be that there is something kind of "detached" about the record... I enjoy >the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really that emotionally involved >in the album... "blue", "for the roses", "hejira"... those albums seem to >really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart and soul... DJRD >doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance in my opinion... maybe in >the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe she was happier at the >time, but it's harder for the listener to get as involved in the album... > >_________________________________________________________________ >The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. >http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 _________________________________________________________________ Find Love This New Year With match.com! http://msnuk.match.com ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:12:30 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter hi Randy, i LOVE your description of slapping the shit out of a guitar, and also, describing it as a Scorpionic piece....this scorpion couldnt agree more ;-) Mags, who is posting more today than i have in eaons. Randy Remote wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Les Irvin" > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: >>it sounds as if Joni wasn't really >>that emotionally involved in the album > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's > MOST > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. That's what I was thinking-while DJRD has many moods, these two songs must be among her most intense, Scorpionic pieces ever. And the guitar playing-she is really slapping the shit out of it, but focused, too. A really stunning way to end the album, the way it started, with voice and guitar, and with the title track preceeding, a very weighty side of vinyl at the time. RR ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:10:31 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: Euro Jonifest, etc Im thinking that there needs to be a Winnipeg Manitoba Fest in 2008 as well, if anyone is interested. I know we talked about this before, but it would be most beneficial to have when the Winnipeg Folk Festival is on. Does that make sense? thoughts? Would anyone really travel up here? Bah, who knows. It's a huge festival, so Im not sure of that. OR, I was thinking about putting on a Joni thing, and seeing if we can sell tickets to it....not sure how this would work...and who knows...perhaps I can get that 'person' who knows her, on board....just some thoughts...I promise it wont be -45 at that time. Mags np: Rake by Townes Van Zandt...my newest musical flame ;-) Sherelle Smith wrote: Hi Laurent, I would really love to attend a Euro Jonifest at some time and think your idea is a good one. I can't attend every Jonifest but I have attended two in the U.S. I would like the opportunity one day to attend two Euro ones as well! I loved the pictures that were posted about it! They were absolutely beautiful and breathtaking! Italy or France, both are beautiful locations! Sincerely, Sherelle From: "Laurent Olszer" Just wanted to submit the idea of a Euro Jonifest every other year. I think that it would make it easier on everybody's budget if they didn't have to cross the Atlantic every year, and thus promote exchange and meeting among jmdlers who would otherwise not come. If needed, Jean Yves will be glad to welcome it again in France. Or there were other offers from Italy. _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. http://click4thecause.live.com/search/charity/default.aspx?source=hmemtagline_donation&FORM=WLMTAG ***** ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ ***** - --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! 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Azeem in London On 1/21/07, mags h wrote: > > hi Randy, > i LOVE your description of slapping the shit out of a guitar, and also, > describing it as a Scorpionic piece....this scorpion couldnt agree more ;-) > > Mags, who is posting more today than i have in eaons. > > > Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Les Irvin" > > > "anon anon" wrote re DJRD: > >>it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > >>that emotionally involved in the album > > > > I've always had just the opposite opinion. Songs like "Off Night > > Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor" seem to me to be some of Joni's > > MOST > > emotionally involved lyrics of her career. > > That's what I was thinking-while DJRD has many moods, > these two songs must be among her most intense, Scorpionic > pieces ever. And the guitar playing-she is really slapping the > shit out of it, but focused, too. A really stunning way to end > the album, the way it started, with voice and guitar, and with > the title track preceeding, a very weighty side of vinyl at > the time. > RR > > > > ***** > ~all the windows of my heart, i open to this day~ > > ***** > > > --------------------------------- > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #19 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)