From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #18 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 21 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 018 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Smurf ] Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: joni's height and privacy [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Bob falls asleep to C&S [Kate Johnson ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Norma Jean Garza ] RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on ["Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - --- anon anon wrote: > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > problems with DJRD may > be that there is something kind of "detached" > about the record... I think the detachment may be a result of c-o-c-a-i-n-e. In addition, I think there's a sense that this album doesn't hang well together thematically, like just about every other album Joni has done. And none of this is to say I don't like DJRD -- I love it. - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:36:03 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc Garret. I am so sorry for your loss. I feel your pain. Things like this have happened to me in the past and I just went straight into the sequence of grief - shock, disbelief, depression, anger and back to shock. I may be able to help. Can you remember what you lost? Did you make a list at least? I can help with the Joni stuff at least. Let me know what you've lost and I will go through my stuff to see what I can replace. Keep in mind that I have a wide taste in music so, there may be other things I can help out with. Mark in Sydney NP Empty, Try Another - JM (Honest! It just started playing) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:45:44 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Euro Jonifest, etc The Atlantic is not the only ocean some people need to cross to get to a Euro Jonifest. I'd still like to see one happen somewhere in the southern hemisphere. Mark in Sydney (not Europe or North America) NP Ethiopia - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:44:48 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > --- anon anon wrote: > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > > problems with DJRD may > > be that there is something kind of "detached" > > about the record... > > I think the detachment may be a result of > c-o-c-a-i-n-e. Ah! interesting you mention this. Though I personnally think DJRD has some masterpeaces in there, the ensemble do finds some clusters nested. I wounder how the experience of cocaine might have been a factor in the final product and maybe more specifically an influence in some pieces. I feel weird asking this, somehow it brings back the issue of privacy and i'm not sure if I have a right to go there...anyway, here goes Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:49:04 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy Okay, now I will respond to those questions concerning my height, weight and shoe size: I'm small and petite, right at 5'3" and weigh about 118 lbs. Lately, I am losing weight, maybe because of that ADD medication, I think, and everytime I surf the channels of the TV and see Susan Lucci on QVC, I remind myself of me...sort of too skinny, even for my small stature and trying to grow old with grace and trying to look sort of pretty and it's not all that easy...it takes alot of deep breathing, stretch exercises like Yoga or dancin' like Joni in the kitchen washing dishes. I may use restylene here in the near future..I don't know. I am a Leo, born in 1957. Catholic, the mother of a son and the eldest of seven wonderful siblings of whom I love and cherish, along with my nephews and nieces, of which I take care of whenever I can! I love Joni Mitchell, Van Morison, Ry Cooder, Ruben Blades, Warren Zevon and many more, select musicians, painters, authors, humanitarians, and artists. I love to read everything I can, from all over this planet when I can concentrate. I love humanity, animals and the Earth and I ALWAYS return to the garden where it's just me and someone I love like Joni, in Nature and The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all misty, wet with rain, in the garden, like Van Morrison sings. There! Norma Jean - --- Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Now I am different...I would love to know personal > stuff about her. Let's > see...I would love to know her shoe size..does she > eat oatmeal for > breakfast. What was the last book she read. Her > favorite > perfume...soap....shampoo. And..of course..more > heavy stuff...greatest > fears...everyday worries. But I would not invade > her personal space > .....and would never ask her this stuff because I > have a tremendous amount > of respect for her. I don't care for nervy > people...so I would never > want to become what I can't tolerate in other > people. > > Marianne's original question: I'm a Gemini and a > smidgen under 5' > 10'.....oh...shoe size: 10..;-) > > Bree > > > >You know, Kate, I feel the same way. When questions > >start rolling around, concerning personal, privacy > >issues, be it whomever, is where I draw the line. > >Joni's personal life is her special space..her > secret > >place and that's all there is to it. I was > expecting > >to hear what Joni's shoe size was and maybe her > weight > >and I just do an about face and prance along my > merry > >way, hoping that Joni, in any way, feels as if fans > >are probing. That's not fair, not for an artist > such > >as herself. She lets us know just about everything, > >any way, and when she decide she wants to walk away > >from the limelight, retreating to her splendid > >isolation, you know she's coming back, all rested > and > >beautiful, ready to rock and rumble. > > > >She says she's leaving but she don't go. > > > >nj > >--- Kate Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I was stunned by the fact that Joni absolutely > > > towered over Dylan > > > > in that > > > > Youtube video, where she and Van crashed Dylan > 's > > > set. So how tall > > > > is Dylan > > > > then ? 5' 1 ? > > > > > > > > Michael in Quebec > > > > > > Maybe she was wearing heels? When I met her at > the > > > Mendel, she was > > > very close to my height, or so it seemed. > > > > > > As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can > understand > > > her friends > > > wanting to be careful about her personal life. > In my > > > case, I FEEL > > > LIKE she is my personal friend and so I > shouldn't go > > > blabbing about > > > any contact I have with her, while at the same > time > > > knowing that most > > > others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if > she's > > > a personal > > > friend and will be thrilled to hear any little > bit > > > of anecdotal > > > information. It's not easy to draw the line. > > > > > > SaskKate > > > http://xoetc.antville.org > > > http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ > >Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 > hotels > >in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find > your fit. > >http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, > recipes and more on your > Live.com page. > http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:03:06 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on True we haven't heard much about Clouds yet compared to other albums (well, since my arrival here I should say). Though I've first experienced Joni's music with C&S, my first bought album was Blue. After I realised there was something very powerfull happening to me, I then decided to start from scratch with her first album and follow the evolution as much as possible, so I then bought STAS and then Clouds. My experience with her music is very much associated with important moments in my life like if, with every album, new doors and perspectives were opening. If there was "no guru, no methods, no teacher", there sure was Joni for me. Untampered innocence, that's exactly what I feel in Clouds, however the unique way with which she changes notes and slides in between notes (that brings about such powerful effects on me) inspires me much lucidity and strenght at the same time! I probably wouldn't be so moved by this innocence if at the same time I didn't feel so much self-awarness about it. Oh, how this struck me then! and how I could feel this in myself then and now, still. Love "That Song About the Midway" (my fave), the "Gallery", "I Don't Know Where I Stand", "I Think I Understand" and "The Fiddle And The Drum". My least favorite today, humm, if I can say that really, would be Chelsea Morning and maybe BSN that I prefer on MOA and BSN album. TG "Lady please don't love me now, I am dead I am a saint, turn down your bed I have no heart" that's what you said You said: "I can be cruel, but let me gentle with you" I love the way "Jose-phine" is pronounced And I mean hey: ITIU: Today I am not prey to dark uncertainty The shadow trembles in its wrath, I've robbed its blackness blind And tasted sunlight as my fear came clear to me ....Forgetting fear but never disregarding "her" (note the gender here) ...I'll challenge them (dark voices) with flashes from a brighter time TSATM You were plaing on the horses, your playing on the guitar strings You were playing like a devil (low tone...) wearing wings (in the same breath) Wearing wings, you looked so grand (looking up) Wearing wings ......... (levitation) Do you tape them to your shoulders just to sing Can you fly, I heard you can!!! Can you flyyyyyyyy (tone going down, you almost feel the bird gently diving) Like an eagle doin' your hunting from the sky ( the tone going low....I so see the black crow here, ouff...) and so on, and so on ... Evelyne. - --------------------------------- It's an untampered innocence. > So what do you think of the album? What songs do you particularly > enjoy? What was your first experience with the album and how do you feel about it > comparatively now? > -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:23:02 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #17 Monika- > after she recorded C&S, she > played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! Bob, come > on man! > Chances are he probably was tired and all and didn't mean it to be > an insult (I > presume anyhow), but how rude! I find that such a very, very mean > thing to let > yourself do. Maybe he didn't mean to be rude, maybe the album relaxed him so much he couldn't help falling asleep. I gave my mom a CD by a western- Canadian folksinger and her compliment to me about it was "his voice is so nice, so relaxing, the CD put me right to sleep" and I knew exactly what she meant. I am really enjoying reading all your enthusiasm as you discover Joni. It's very refreshing. Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:25:29 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: Bob falls asleep to C&S On 20-Jan-07, at 5:21 PM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > after she recorded C&S, she > played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! and I meant to add that I find the C&S album to be the most relaxing of all her albums -- it always peace-ifies me -- so the story of Bob makes sense to me. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:08:22 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] I hope joni writes some about lOve on her new record _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:32:49 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Went to my apartment, for quiet time and a nice, warm bath...was thinking. Came back to Mama's. As far as finding Joni detached on DJRD and me not understanding this detachment too well, I figured, I too must have been detached, thus the attachment. Mine was maybe the Liebfruamilch and my German Chivas-drinking counterpart, Mr. Bordner, who wanted me to be like him, feeding me Ayn Rand and Andrew Carnegie and his Manaus timber business, which I HATED and his Texas/Oklahoma oil wells and solo flights from a home in Alaska to a home in Detroit and all over the place in his twin engine flying machine and it was all too much for me at the time, when I had a baby and my educatuion to fulfill. Joni's music balanced me along with my own baby, along with those precious black tar Brazilian babies from Manaus. - --- Evelyne Dubois wrote: > > --- anon anon wrote: > > > > > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the > major > > > problems with DJRD may > > > be that there is something kind of "detached" > > > about the record... > > > > I think the detachment may be a result of > > c-o-c-a-i-n-e. > > Ah! interesting you mention this. Though I > personnally think DJRD has some > masterpeaces in there, the ensemble do finds some > clusters nested. I wounder > how the experience of cocaine might have been a > factor in the final product > and maybe more specifically an influence in some > pieces. I feel weird asking > this, somehow it brings back the issue of privacy > and i'm not sure if I have > a right to go there...anyway, here goes > Evelyne. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 02:02:44 +0000 From: johnnybgoode@lineone.net Subject: Song for Sharon and meanderings Dear All, Still skiving off revising, but there is a simple solution to the miniscule lyrics in the minaturised Album cover in the Jewel case; read the Vinyl Cover. I was lucky enough to win the battle to still have the 300+ still on display plus the guitars and keys; but I am married to a long suffering saintly angel, who is as good at the cleanee-uppie as she is at the telly -offee. Not that this is Spinal Tap or Osbournes domesticity. But it is more like Sharon's or (Last time I saw) Richard's domesticity, than bohemian chic. As I type the above song is playing, and as in most of her best songs the lyrics are clear. What is totally amazing about this song, is that with the 3 piece band Joni Rhythm, Max Bass, John Drums, and no solos, there is a satisfying narrative thread to it all, for 8+ minutes, without resort to embarrassingly cringing quotes (I stole it from Willy the Shake). How's that for holding your interest. Incidently This song is to my mind, largely about what Joni has foregone to be the free spirit she is and the biographically stated pros and cons of same. There is an idea that humans only completely mature after (presumably seriously attempted), parenthood, and that attempts to avoid this are in a sense an attempt to prolong the hedonism of youth. In my own case I fathered my first at 34, so I am as guilty as anyone else. Pampered Rock Stars, Soccer Players, and I imagine also GridIron and Baseball Players, have the resources to live in an extended larval state emotionally, whilst the money and fame last, and we all benefit from them not going through this normal process; Hallelujah! in respect of the creative rock stars, less so with the sportsmen. Another though occurs to me is Black Crow in any way about Jaco's bipolar disorder. (No evidence on which to speculate). To those who might know, was Jaco P held on a tight set of reins in Weather Report, by Shorter and Z? Just who is Blue Hotel About? Jaco? John ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:09:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Both Sides Now (previously called "From Both Sides Now" "Both Sides, Now" and "Clouds") is a great song, I agree. The reason I overlook the album "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like a false innocence, a pretense of some kind. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a synthetic ernestness. Folk-by-numbers. It's completely absent on all ten of my favorite Joni albums, especially "Blue". Jim L. Motitan@aol.com >My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! Even more so when I have read reviews on it, they are always mixed which really gets me. I don't understand why.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:18:52 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: how tall is Joni What? This changes everything. Gees, I'll have to re-evaluate her now. :) Jim L. Kate in SK wrote: >I'm just a smidgin under 5'5" and I believe she is a little taller, maybe 5'6"> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 23:43:12 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Fighting words, Jim. I revere Ian & Sylvia. I first noticed the songwriting credit "Joni Mitchell" and waited from the release of their record "So Much for Dreaming" (1966) for two years, which I spent combing Sing Out Magazine and other albums from Tom Rush to Judy Collins to Buffy Sainte-Marie in hopeful anticipation of a record by the holy grail of songwriters, Joni. Ian & Sylvia were never "folk-by-numbers." You really haven't listened to them. Respectfully but strenuously disagreeing, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:09 PM To: JMDL Cc: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Both Sides Now (previously called "From Both Sides Now" "Both Sides, Now" and "Clouds") is a great song, I agree. The reason I overlook the album "Clouds" has something to do with the attitude. It feels like a false innocence, a pretense of some kind. It feels like Ian and Sylvia, a synthetic ernestness. Folk-by-numbers. It's completely absent on all ten of my favorite Joni albums, especially "Blue". Jim L. Motitan@aol.com >My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! Even more so when I have read reviews on it, they are always mixed which really gets me. I don't understand why.> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #18 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)