From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #17 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 20 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 017 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Hejira dirge [missblux@googlemail.com] Favourite Albums [johnnybgoode@lineone.net] Guess what i just did..... sjc [Garret ] Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter [Chris Marshall ] Re: DJRD [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc ["ron" ] RE: Favourite Albums [Danilo Monno ] obituary [CDTraderJohn@aol.com] RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] FW: Favourite Albums [Danilo Monno ] Euro Jonifest, etc ["Laurent Olszer" ] Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on [Motitan@aol.com] Bob Dylan and C&S [Motitan@aol.com] Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc [Paul In MD ] Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc [Chris Marshall ] Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 71-83 of JM Covers ["Jill Haas] Joni's height and six degree story ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: joni's height and privacy [Norma Jean Garza ] Re: Joni's height and six degree story [Norma Jean Garza wrote: > I can't believe you've yanked me out of lurkdom, Bene, but I have to take > exception with your statement. It was exactly because of reading the lyrics > that I became a Joni Mitchell devotee. > > Before '77, I mainly knew Joni from am radio -- this means "Help Me", "Free > Man In Paris" and "In France They Kiss On Main Street". I liked her voice > and her catchy, upbeat pop tunes. I neither owned nor had heard any of her > earlier recordings with the exception of the single "Carey". I bought > "Hejira" based on the sound of the above songs and the album artwork. > Imagine my shock when I put the album on the turntable got "Coyote" instead > of "Help Me 2". It's safe to say that, in those first few moments, dirge > would have described what I heard. Two bucks wasted! > > But that glorius album cover beckoned. When you unfolded it and the lyrics > spilled across the two leaves it practically shouted "Important Stuff Here". > So instead of shutting down the phono, I sat down with the lyrics and read > as I listened. By the time I got to side two and the opening chords of > "Song For Sharon", I was hooked. Had it not been for the album cover > drawing me in to read the lyrics as I listened, I'd never have gotten into > her music. The sound was just too foriegn. Of course, "Hejira" is now my > all time favorite album. > > BTW, after "Hejira" I bought "C&S" and "Hissing" then filled in the > subsequent recordings as they were released. I didn't purchase anything > prior to 1974 until after "Turbulent Indigo". Jumping into Joni in > midstream, each new album seemed to be a logical progression (although there > were several sharp 90 degree turns) and I love her 80s work. To me, her > earlier work, although brilliant, is the foriegn stuff. Go figure. > > Paul In MD > -who still sits down and reads the lyrics as he listens to each new Joni > recording and who is especially looking forward to doing that later this > year > > > missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > You Know Andeemac, I don't think reading the lyrics is going to help. > She sings the words so clearly, and I always found that it added to > their beauty that she sings them almost as if she was talking them, > they come so naturally. If they don't talk to you from the loudspeaker > then I think the case is lost. > > > ________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:50:14 +0000 From: johnnybgoode@lineone.net Subject: Favourite Albums In response to Kate Bennet's question, either Blue/CAS or HOSL Then Hejira/MoA/LoTc Clpods/Sons for a For the Roses Wild Things Dog eat Dog etc Others Abbey Rd Traffic John Barleycorn Hot Rats Tapestry etc ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:14:15 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Guess what i just did..... sjc I very recently was given an ipod and had transferred about 28gbs of music from about 38gbs on my harddrive. I then deleted all the music from my harddrive thinking, no prob, i still have it on my ipod. I just plugged in my ipod and it synced my empty itunes to my ipod and everything is gone. Years worth of oddities and live tracks and rare tracks and downloads only. This included lots of Joni tracks that had been sent through the list over the yeasr (some of which i must have on disc - Joni with Jonny Cash etc - but some of which i am sure i do not have on disc). And so many albums i had bought online and never burned. All gone. I'm sort of in shock. Hopefully i'll laugh later. GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 11:21:28 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter On 20 Jan 2007, at 03:30, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > DJRD is Joni's "white album". It's a long set of collaborations > with lots > of people and there are many textures. Not everyone is going to like > "Overture/Cotton Avenue" anymore than everyone likes "Honey Pie". > The jazz > period is a trip, if it gets through to you. Whoa, dude, timeout! This has always bothered me - that somewhere vaguely through the C&S/HOSL/Hejira/DJRD era people (press, I suspect) started carelessly waving the "jazz" word around Joni. I don't get it, seriously. Sure, she collaborated with people from the Jazz world, but hasn't made anything that (to my ears) resembles jazz aside from a few tracks on HOSL and probably something on Mingus (but I haven't listened to *that* end to end since I bought it... probably a decade ago...) S&L is probably the jazziest thing I think she's done, and that was live, so I'm not really taking too much notice of it for the purposes of this discussion. So, I propose a new definition for Joni's music of this period. If HOSL was slightly jazzy, C&S was pure 70's pop, Hejira and DJRD are somewhat ageless and uncategorisable, then I propose the moniker "singer/songwriter" to describe Joni... :) - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:03:28 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD Somebody wrote: > However, for whatever reason, I have never been able > to warm up to DJRD. I have tried to listen to it with an open mind but I > just don't appreciate it the way I appreciate everything that preceded it. > But I still hold out hope that one day I will "get it" > Yo, Major contrast here. DJRD is one of theJoni albums I listen to most often. I love it! I love to take walks and listen to it. I love every bit of of it... every single and the album as a whole. It is awesome! It moves me... Silky Veils of Ardor is particularly magnified in coolness when played on guitar with the loose strings of the tuning. I can't imagine that everybody doesn't get turned on by this album, but I guess beauty is in the ear of the beholder. I hope you get it too because the high it can give is incredible. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:12:49 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc hi garret very easy to do, and pretty easy to fix up.... 1) have you looked in the recycle bin of your computer? sounds obvious i know - but it may just still be there 2) if its not, the data will probably still be recoverable. there are many programs that will work - it took me a few minutes to find e-data unerase from octane soft. it is a free program & can be downloaded from: http://www.download.com/3001-2248_4-10345833.html i) download the above programe. ii) if you have more than one hard drive, then install the program to the drive which didnt have your music. iii) if you only have one drive - you may lose a song or two - no problem - you can recover them from your i-pod. iv) attach your ipod & open i-tunes v) select the ipod in the "devices" window, & the "summary" tab in the main window. vi) make sure that the "Enable Disk Use" option is ticked. vii) if you go to windows explorer you should now see your i-pod as another drive on your computer viii) use e-data unerase to recover all your files on the ipod you couldnt find on your hard drive. you can now sort out the music, & then reimport it into i-tunes uing the import function regards ron good luck!! ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garret" To: "list" Sent: 20.January.2007 1:14 PM Subject: Guess what i just did..... sjc >I very recently was given an ipod and had transferred about 28gbs of > music from about 38gbs on my harddrive. I then deleted all the music > from my harddrive thinking, no prob, i still have it on my ipod. > I just plugged in my ipod and it synced my empty itunes to my ipod and > everything is gone. Years worth of oddities and live tracks and rare > tracks and downloads only. This included lots of Joni tracks that had > been sent through the list over the yeasr (some of which i must have > on disc - Joni with Jonny Cash etc - but some of which i am sure i do > not have on disc). And so many albums i had bought online and never > burned. > > All gone. I'm sort of in shock. Hopefully i'll laugh later. > GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:57:41 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: RE: Favourite Albums I won't chime in the DJRD discussion because I can't say why I love that album, but I certainly do.So this is my Favourite Joni's Album List:HejiraHOSLFor the rosesDJRD/BlueC&SSTASLOTC/MingusMOA/Clouds/WTRFNRH/Turbulent IndigoCMIARDED/TTTDanilo> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:50:14 +0000> From: johnnybgoode@lineone.net> Subject: Favourite Albums> To: joni@smoe.org> > In response to Kate Bennet's question,> > either Blue/CAS or HOSL> > Then Hejira/MoA/LoTc> > Clpods/Sons for a> > For the Roses> > Wild Things > Dog eat Dog> > etc> > Others Abbey Rd> > Traffic John Barleycorn> > Hot Rats> Tapestry> etc> > ___________________________________________________________> > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ _________________________________________________________________ Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro ancora. http://www.live.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:38:38 EST From: CDTraderJohn@aol.com Subject: obituary The following obituary was actually published in the Daily Hampshire Gazette (Northampton, MA) on Monday, November 27, 2006. It was, apparently, written by the deceased with the wish it be published upon his death. He got his wish. You have to read it to believe it! Joni is not mentioned. Daniel R. Porter COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. - With trumpets blaring, Zeus, god of gods, called Daniel Reed Porter III to His Heavenly Pantheon on Nov. 21, 2006. He (Porter, not Zeus) was the second White child born in the new maternity ward of Cooley Dickinson Hospital in Northampton on his father's birthday July 2, 1930. His mother Eleanor (Parsons) needed all the help she could get. Porter was reared on a small farm with his siblings in Worthington. Sickly as a child, his parents often contemplated drowning him in Watt's Brook that flowed (trickled in summer) behind the house into which (the brook, not the house) they deposited other trash, sewage and cow manure. After being partially educated in local schools, Porter matriculated in the class of 1952 at UMass, formerly Mass Aggie. Here he failed to distinguish himself in any meaningful way, and managed to alienate a number of his classmates and professors. Upon graduation without honors, Porter was drafted into the Army and served in Korea before and after the armistice. There he learned more than at college - never volunteer, be cowardly to survive, don't circulate petitions and keep away from indigenous females. Returning home ill-prepared for an occupation, he was strangely accepted by the University of Michigan Graduate School where he tried to prepare for an acceptable if not respectable occupation. A 35-year career as a museum and historical agency administrator and museum director followed. He moved from state to state five times to keep ahead of his reputation. He completed his career ignominiously in Cooperstown in 1992. On his demise, he was a member of no organization, club or charity. Porter was not survived by his parents and sister, Janice Leroux. But surviving him are his relict, Joan (Dornfeld); a daughter, Leslie, her husband, Edward Easton III, and their daughters, Erika, Caitlin, and Allison, of Coudersport (God's Country), Pa.; his son, Andrew, and his wife, Amy (Pens), and their heir, Reed; a brother, Edward, and his wife, Shirley (Smith), on Watt's Brook; a brother-in-law, Al Leroux, and his Buick sedan of Northampton; and numbers of nieces and nephews. There will be no final rites or any mumbo-jumbo. He will not lie in state at the The Farmers' Museum. His cremated remains will be scattered on Watt's Brook. Memorial gifts will not be accepted and cards are a waste of money. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:42:18 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Point taken. Pastorius, Shorter, Hancock, Erskine, and Guerin produce a different feel than JT and Steven Stills did on the earlier albums. downbeat magazine liked "Mingus", but it's a jazz-influenced period, but not Jazz (with a capital J). I think C&S is closer to pop than jazz too. Sometimes labels and categories do not apply very well at all. Jim L. np: nothing but the hard drive's whine. > From: Chris Marshall [mailto:chris@hatstand.org] > This has always bothered me - that somewhere vaguely through the > C&S/HOSL/Hejira/DJRD era people (press, I suspect) started carelessly > waving the "jazz" word around Joni. I don't get it, seriously. Sure, > she collaborated with people from the Jazz world, but hasn't made > anything that (to my ears) resembles jazz aside from a few tracks > on HOSL and probably something on Mingus (but I haven't listened to > *that* end to end since I bought it... probably a decade ago...) > > S&L is probably the jazziest thing I think she's done, and that > was live, so I'm not really taking too much notice of it for the > purposes of this discussion. > > So, I propose a new definition for Joni's music of this period. > If HOSL was slightly jazzy, C&S was pure 70's pop, Hejira and > DJRD are somewhat ageless and uncategorisable, then I propose > the moniker "singer/songwriter" to describe Joni... > On 20 Jan 2007, at 03:30, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > > The jazz > > period is a trip, if it gets through to you. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 07:53:12 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: RE: Favourite Albums her are mine: STAS, LTOC, Blue and FTR and C&S << wrote: > I won't chime in the DJRD discussion because I can't say why I love > that > album, but I certainly do.So this is my Favourite Joni's Album > List:HejiraHOSLFor the > rosesDJRD/BlueC&SSTASLOTC/MingusMOA/Clouds/WTRFNRH/Turbulent > IndigoCMIARDED/TTTDanilo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:32:27 +0100 From: Danilo Monno Subject: FW: Favourite Albums I'm so sorry, but I can't figure why when I use Mozilla Firefox as a browser my emails get that awful layout. Anyway, I'm reposting (with IE!!!) my list in order to make things clear! Hejira HOSL FTR DJRD/Blue C&S STAS LOTC/Mingus MOA/Clouds/WTRF NRH/TI CMIAR DED/TTT I'm not considering collections, such as Travelogue or Misses, but just original works. Hugs Danilo > From: vaniglio@hotmail.com> To: johnnybgoode@lineone.net; joni@smoe.org> Subject: RE: Favourite Albums> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:57:41 +0100> > I won't chime in the DJRD discussion because I can't say why I love that> album, but I certainly do.So this is my Favourite Joni's Album> List:HejiraHOSLFor the> rosesDJRD/BlueC&SSTASLOTC/MingusMOA/Clouds/WTRFNRH/Turbulent> IndigoCMIARDED/TTTDanilo> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:50:14 +0000> From:> johnnybgoode@lineone.net> Subject: Favourite Albums> To: joni@smoe.org> > In> response to Kate Bennet's question,> > either Blue/CAS or HOSL> > Then> Hejira/MoA/LoTc> > Clpods/Sons for a> > For the Roses> > Wild Things > Dog eat> Dog> > etc> > Others Abbey Rd> > Traffic John Barleycorn> > Hot Rats>> Tapestry> etc> > ___________________________________________________________>> > Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup!>> http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/> _________________________________________________________________> Prova Live.com: il tuo mondo on line, con notizie, sport, meteo e molto altro> ancora.> http://www.live.com/ _________________________________________________________________ Esprimiti: personalizza la tua home page con Live.com. http://www.live.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:42:54 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Euro Jonifest, etc Hi All Sorry i don't post much these days but I'm still lurking. Too busy downloading (legal ) music I guess. Just wanted to submit the idea of a Euro Jonifest every other year. I think that it would make it easier on everybody's budget if they didn't have to cross the Atlantic every year, and thus promote exchange and meeting among jmdlers who would otherwise not come. If needed, Jean Yves will be glad to welcome it again in France. Or there were other offers from Italy. Also, I asked Les why there is no mention of the french jonifest 2005 in the jonifest section? Les replied that "Only because no one took the time to consolidate the information. I'd be happy to feature it there if it can get collected together!" Not sure what it entails, since most pix are on Chris Marshall's site already. Can anybody help please? Finally, I took my 13 year old daughter Lea to see Robben Ford and Larry Carlton unplugged at the New Morning Club in Paris. Of course everybody knows that both guitarists recorded with Joni. Lea loved it and now she's asking for more live gigs. So we're off to see John Martyn play Solid Air at the Roundhouse in London in 2 weeks; if anybody is free for tea on feb 3&4th? Cheers Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:41:39 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Clouds/That Song About The Midway, ramblin' on Well since there's been so much talk about some of the other albums I thought why not start up some chatter on this one too. I find that Clouds doesn't get much recognition, besides having Chelsea Morning and Both Sides Now on it. The reason I first tried out this album was because I had heard Chelsea Morning playing when I was working and I found it to be such a pleasant song. It was funny because at that point I had only heard Blue, C&S, and LOTC but as soon as I heard the opening chord progression while working I just knew it was Joni Mitchell. I then looked up what album it was off of, ordered the Dick Cavett Show to see Joni perform the song (which really got me hooked on the song--I love live anything that's good), downloaded the song the next day because I had to have it, and got the album from the library (later bought it). My thing is, this album gets so overshadowed by other albums! Even more so when I have read reviews on it, they are always mixed which really gets me. I don't understand why. It's like some of the other Joni albums in the respect that it has an X number of fantastic-play-me-over-and-over-again songs, an X number of really good songs, an X number of good songs, and maybe one or two you don't fancy too much (I don't care for the Fiddle and the Drum though I like what it has to say and think Joni's really gutsy to record acapella). To me, there's a simplicity to it, just guitar-vocals combination--an innocence that is later lost through experience and seeing the world, and a come-join me tone that reels you in. I still remember hearing That Song About The Midway (a song no one talks about but I can't understand why!) for the first time (yes I can recall my first listens to certain songs that really kill me man). As soon as I heard Joni singing, I was immediately grabbed by her vocals. I really do think that is a fantastic vocal performance. I was just mesmerized by her singing, I'm dead serious man. And as soon as she got to the lines with the melody like, wearing wings you looked so grand, WEARING WIIIIIIINGS, and can you fly? I heard you can, can you FLYYYYY? The last part of lines like that really kill me in the way she sings them. I remember thinking the same thing for a long time whenever I listened to the song and heard those parts ("Jesus does she sing good" and "Jesus Joni kill me why don't you?" and so forth). I also remember waiting for Both Sides Now because someone had told me that was a really great song. And I remember when it started thinking, "ok it's pleasant enough" but you know. And then as soon as the refrain hit, I remember thinking, "ooooooooh I get it" and something just clicked. I also remember thinking the sentiment of "I Don't Know Where I Stand" was something everyone could probably relate to. And then there are always certain lines or even sometimes single words I love on the album that I kind of wait for in a way. It could be because the words themselves I find to be brilliant or because of the way they are sung. For example, I love how Joni sings in "I Think I Understand" When forests rise to block the light that keeps a traveler sane . I particularly like how the word "block" is sung because you can hear her Canadian accent shine through (I love accents--in particular English but I love them all). I suppose to sum it up after all that rambling, I wish this album had more time to shine in the light. I'm really entranced by the singing, maybe more than anything else on the album, and the innocence of it. As I said, there is a innocence that later seems lost. It's almost a childlike innocence when it comes to the album. Of course I don't mean that in a bad I'm-immature-want everything-throw temper tantrums-am selfish kind of way (which children are you know or can be) but in a good I'm-seeing everything with my own eyes-taking it all in-breathing in the air-finding everything sad and beautiful-but just soaking it all up. It's an untampered innocence. So what do you think of the album? What songs do you particularly enjoy? What was your first experience with the album and how do you feel about it comparatively now? - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:53:50 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Bob Dylan and C&S I had read in an interview with Joni, that after she recorded C&S, she played it for Bob Dylan and compnay and he fell asleep! Bob, come on man! Chances are he probably was tired and all and didn't mean it to be an insult (I presume anyhow), but how rude! I find that such a very, very mean thing to let yourself do. It'd be one thing to listen to the album and then say oh I think it's a piece of shit but to fall asleep when its playing for the first time?!?!? Atleast if you say you don't like it, you know you atleast gave it the attention and respect it deserved to be able to come to that conclusion. And when coming from one artist to another I'd think you'd be more respectful than that as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Dylan's music (Sub. Homesick Blues is my favourite song of his or one of them), and I think he's a pretty funny guy from what I know but the man can be mean...... - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 10:37:44 -0800 (PST) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc Hi Garrett, Like Ron said, it's an easy fix. The important thing to remember is not to write anything to the hard drive that contained your music or it may overwrite it. Copy/recover your files to your ipod. Even if it has been awhile, most of your files are probably still on your hard drive. There are many free programs that will do the job but I recently used a program called Restoration: http://www.download.com/Restoration/3000-2094_4-10322949.html?tag=lst-0-1 I had all my JMDL music in a folder on my desktop and somehow deleted it. This program recovered everything but one recording -- Randall singing "A Case Of You" at Jonifest 2005. If anyone has it and would like to reoffer it, I'd be most grateful. And although I don't have vaults full of Joni-related (and other) recordings, if I have anything that you need after your recovery efforts, I'll be glad to pass it on. Best of luck! Paul In MD ron wrote: hi garret very easy to do, and pretty easy to fix up.... 1) have you looked in the recycle bin of your computer? sounds obvious i know - but it may just still be there 2) if its not, the data will probably still be recoverable. there are many programs that will work - it took me a few minutes to find e-data unerase from octane soft. it is a free program & can be downloaded from: http://www.download.com/3001-2248_4-10345833.html i) download the above programe. ii) if you have more than one hard drive, then install the program to the drive which didnt have your music. iii) if you only have one drive - you may lose a song or two - no problem - you can recover them from your i-pod. iv) attach your ipod & open i-tunes v) select the ipod in the "devices" window, & the "summary" tab in the main window. vi) make sure that the "Enable Disk Use" option is ticked. vii) if you go to windows explorer you should now see your i-pod as another drive on your computer viii) use e-data unerase to recover all your files on the ipod you couldnt find on your hard drive. you can now sort out the music, & then reimport it into i-tunes uing the import function regards ron good luck!! ron - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garret" To: "list" Sent: 20.January.2007 1:14 PM Subject: Guess what i just did..... sjc >I very recently was given an ipod and had transferred about 28gbs of > music from about 38gbs on my harddrive. I then deleted all the music > from my harddrive thinking, no prob, i still have it on my ipod. > I just plugged in my ipod and it synced my empty itunes to my ipod and > everything is gone. Years worth of oddities and live tracks and rare > tracks and downloads only. This included lots of Joni tracks that had > been sent through the list over the yeasr (some of which i must have > on disc - Joni with Jonny Cash etc - but some of which i am sure i do > not have on disc). And so many albums i had bought online and never > burned. > > All gone. I'm sort of in shock. Hopefully i'll laugh later. > GARRET - --------------------------------- We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 12:31:06 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: joni's height and privacy > I was stunned by the fact that Joni absolutely towered over Dylan > in that > Youtube video, where she and Van crashed Dylan 's set. So how tall > is Dylan > then ? 5' 1 ? > > Michael in Quebec Maybe she was wearing heels? When I met her at the Mendel, she was very close to my height, or so it seemed. As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can understand her friends wanting to be careful about her personal life. In my case, I FEEL LIKE she is my personal friend and so I shouldn't go blabbing about any contact I have with her, while at the same time knowing that most others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if she's a personal friend and will be thrilled to hear any little bit of anecdotal information. It's not easy to draw the line. SaskKate http://xoetc.antville.org http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 20:39:12 +0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Guess what i just did..... sjc On 20 Jan 2007, at 11:14, Garret wrote: > I then deleted all the music > from my harddrive thinking, no prob, i still have it on my ipod. Can I just remind anyone to whom this stuff matters that ipods are really not invincible unless one of the up to 8Gb flash-based models. They've got hard discs that do die - ask me how I know... - --Chris Marshall chrisAThatstand.org (AIM: Chr15Marshall) "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" Band website, with downloads, at http://www.stryngs.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:13:49 -0800 From: "Jill Haas" Subject: Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 71-83 of JM Covers Hi all, I have finished copying Dougs fine group of covers (Volumes 71-83)sent to be by Rob Argento. Anyone who is interested in receiving these next can contact me offline with your address, and I will send them to the first person I hear from. See below for details of the fifteen-disc set, promise to re-offer, etc. Thanks, Jill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug" To: Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: RE: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 71-83 of JM Covers Thanks to Rob Argento, I received this set of 15 discs. They're already on their way to Jill Haas jillah@msn.com in WA. Doug > >> In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a >> chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers >> of Joni's songs here is the latest round of the Perpetual Joni Covers >> Train. Volumes 71 - 83 (taking you right up to this month's release). >> >> These are uncompressed WAV files for those who care about such things -- >> they are not the MP3 versions. >> >> For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work: >> When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the >> contents as you want, and then you post back to >> this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not >> keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most >> trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters >> along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them >> around >> within two weeks. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect >> that >> to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang >> on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to >> respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if >> everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting >> them >> get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the >> tracks for years. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains >> so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you >> will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please >> include these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to >> compress >> these >> into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the >> next >> person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound >> quality degrades so please pass the masters along. >> >> So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 71-83, please send me: >> 1. Your mailing address and >> 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. >> >> Enjoy and happy holidays, Eric >> >> >> P.S. If you are sitting on any of the earlier rounds, please offer them >> up >> again as its been a while and new folks might be interested. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:19:12 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Joni's height and six degree story Joni's height... it never was an issue I paid attention to before. I was most surpised to read she wasn't taller than that! Why is it that I was under the impression she was six feet and some TO THE LEAST ? Part of me may always be inclined to see her as being bigger, taller than nature :-) I do so feel her as I private friend of mine and I love learning new stuff about her here. What is said about her here is always most respecful anyway. I too have kind of a six degree story. At 19 yo (20 years ago already boy!), I left Montreal and lived out in the Banff-Jasper rocky mountain area for a few years. I was naively realising that english Canada was much more familiar with Joni than french Quebec. I was then working in a cafe and I loved being able to pic and choose the music I liked. The owners didn't have ANY Joni so I proposed bringing my CDs to play. The owner, a very sweet man, kind of "noticed" my taste for Joni's music as I was submerged, singing, wispering the words away most time (I guess with more intensity than what he was used to for a waitress there :-) He eventually told me that he had met her a couple of times in the area and that she once even came for a tea at this very place (was this really true??)!! He said he wouldn't be surprised if I got to see her eventually. MY GOD!! my hole body went numb you know. All the time I stayed in the area post this conversation, that nervous thought was always with me and my eyes were just searching for her at every corner. I felt crazy so obsessed about it... well, I never got around meeting her unfortunately but it it made me feel closer to her than ever... she was flesh and blood for real! Cheers, Evelyne. As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can understand her friends > wanting to be careful about her personal life. In my case, I FEEL > LIKE she is my personal friend and so I shouldn't go blabbing about > any contact I have with her, while at the same time knowing that most > others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if she's a personal > friend and will be thrilled to hear any little bit of anecdotal > information. It's not easy to draw the line. > > SaskKate > http://xoetc.antville.org > http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:26:12 -0500 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major problems with DJRD may be that there is something kind of "detached" about the record... I enjoy the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really that emotionally involved in the album... "blue", "for the roses", "hejira"... those albums seem to really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart and soul... DJRD doesn't seem to have the same emotional resonance in my opinion... maybe in the sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe she was happier at the time, but it's harder for the listener to get as involved in the album... _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 13:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy You know, Kate, I feel the same way. When questions start rolling around, concerning personal, privacy issues, be it whomever, is where I draw the line. Joni's personal life is her special space..her secret place and that's all there is to it. I was expecting to hear what Joni's shoe size was and maybe her weight and I just do an about face and prance along my merry way, hoping that Joni, in any way, feels as if fans are probing. That's not fair, not for an artist such as herself. She lets us know just about everything, any way, and when she decide she wants to walk away from the limelight, retreating to her splendid isolation, you know she's coming back, all rested and beautiful, ready to rock and rumble. She says she's leaving but she don't go. nj - --- Kate Johnson wrote: > > I was stunned by the fact that Joni absolutely > towered over Dylan > > in that > > Youtube video, where she and Van crashed Dylan 's > set. So how tall > > is Dylan > > then ? 5' 1 ? > > > > Michael in Quebec > > Maybe she was wearing heels? When I met her at the > Mendel, she was > very close to my height, or so it seemed. > > As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can understand > her friends > wanting to be careful about her personal life. In my > case, I FEEL > LIKE she is my personal friend and so I shouldn't go > blabbing about > any contact I have with her, while at the same time > knowing that most > others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if she's > a personal > friend and will be thrilled to hear any little bit > of anecdotal > information. It's not easy to draw the line. > > SaskKate > http://xoetc.antville.org > http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:30:48 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Euro Jonifest, etc - --- Laurent Olszer wrote: > Also, I asked Les why there is no mention of the > french jonifest 2005 in the > jonifest section? > > Les replied that "Only because no one took the time > to consolidate the > information. I'd be happy to feature it there if it > can get collected > together!" > I volunteered to compile the posts on the 2005 Eurofest into an article on the website and just didn't get around to doing it. I've still got all the posts but never got around to coding them. Consider me duly chastised. Between moving and other stuff, I just haven't had as much time on the computer to put it together properly. Mea culpa and all that. I'll do it. This time, I mean it. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:12:08 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Joni's height and six degree story I feel very warm, safe and cozy in French Canada just as I do in Mexico. Once I cross those borders is when I can truly breathe and I always stretch my arms in gratitude for the simplicity and the awesome beauty and power of nature. The Lawrence River is unbelievably a gift that I can never get enough of and I day-dream how the Native-Americans would fly that raging river to be with the ones they love. I sit by the banks, freezing and contemplate life, using Joni's words and I start singing all by myself. Whenever I'm away, I hum and sing 'Barangrill' without realizing it. I love that the French Canadians refuse to to speak English like they do in Mexico. And the humbleness and their hospitality is priceless. Look, one time, back in the late 1990's, I was running a quaint little restaurant, named, 'Norma Jean's Deli,' right by the San Antonio River. I knew all the "river rats," who were waiters and waitresses down by the river. Some youngblood cute waiter boys would always come and eat and we would always chit-chat life and happenings and I also met many artists. Well, one Saturday or Sunday morning, I got a call from the my restaurant because some waiters ran to my place to let me know that Joni was eating a rib-eye or something like that at a river restaurant and I thought, "Joni's in town?" I was so glad she was and I went back to rest knowing Joni was near me in proximity. I never knew why she was in town....it just goes to show that Joni's true fan-friends are in no way, intrusive, obnoxious people who gawk while she eats, walks or talks. That was so cool! The waiter boys thought she was vegetarian, which I was always advocating and they found it hard to separate Joni from me. I swear on the judgment of the moon and the starts this is exactly the way it went and goes. Love, Norma Jean Evelyne Dubois wrote: > Joni's height... it never was an issue I paid > attention to before. I was > most surpised to read she wasn't taller than that! > Why is it that I was > under the impression she was six feet and some TO > THE LEAST ? Part of me may > always be inclined to see her as being bigger, > taller than nature :-) > > I do so feel her as I private friend of mine and I > love learning new stuff > about her here. What is said about her here is > always most respecful anyway. > > I too have kind of a six degree story. At 19 yo (20 > years ago already boy!), > I left Montreal and lived out in the Banff-Jasper > rocky mountain area for a > few years. I was naively realising that english > Canada was much more > familiar with Joni than french Quebec. I was then > working in a cafe and I > loved being able to pic and choose the music I > liked. The owners didn't have > ANY Joni so I proposed bringing my CDs to play. The > owner, a very sweet man, > kind of "noticed" my taste for Joni's music as I was > submerged, singing, > wispering the words away most time (I guess with > more intensity than what he > was used to for a waitress there :-) He eventually > told me that he had met > her a couple of times in the area and that she once > even came for a tea at > this very place (was this really true??)!! He said > he wouldn't be surprised > if I got to see her eventually. MY GOD!! my hole > body went numb you know. > All the time I stayed in the area post this > conversation, that nervous > thought was always with me and my eyes were just > searching for her at every > corner. I felt crazy so obsessed about it... well, I > never got around > meeting her unfortunately but it it made me feel > closer to her than ever... > she was flesh and blood for real! > > Cheers, Evelyne. > > > > > As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can understand > her friends > > wanting to be careful about her personal life. In > my case, I FEEL > > LIKE she is my personal friend and so I shouldn't > go blabbing about > > any contact I have with her, while at the same > time knowing that most > > others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if > she's a personal > > friend and will be thrilled to hear any little bit > of anecdotal > > information. It's not easy to draw the line. > > > > SaskKate > > http://xoetc.antville.org > > http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on www.Answers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:40:39 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: SJC? Tea in London Dear Laurent, I'd love to finally meet some Jonifolks, and think I'll be in London on these two days, so do keep me posted about tea! Bene Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:42:54 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Euro Jonifest, etc if anybody is free for tea on feb 3&4th? Cheers Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:55:28 -0800 (PST) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: RE: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter I find Don Juan attached in a way where no other album goes. Don Alias did alot for me as did "they traded their beads for bottles," and the rain falling down with all the simple people from some hometown with the smell of pine-sol and beer on a worn out wood planked floor. I love and love those sensations..it truly is more than a childhood colorful day-dream, to me...no words, can I find. It's a different route north and south but I am very attached to it just as I am with my son because that's when he was born...my loving, reckless, ball-breaking son whom I adore. :)...he truly is!! Norma Jean - --- anon anon wrote: > I'm just guessing, but I think one of the major > problems with DJRD may > be that there is something kind of "detached" > about the record... I enjoy > the music, but it sounds as if Joni wasn't really > that emotionally involved > in the album... "blue", "for the roses", "hejira"... > those albums seem to > really come from a very deep place in Joni's heart > and soul... DJRD doesn't > seem to have the same emotional resonance in my > opinion... maybe in the > sense, that's a postive thing for Joni, maybe she > was happier at the time, > but it's harder for the listener to get as involved > in the album... > > _________________________________________________________________ > The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is > here. Get all the scoop. > http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 18:20:24 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: joni's height and privacy Now I am different...I would love to know personal stuff about her. Let's see...I would love to know her shoe size..does she eat oatmeal for breakfast. What was the last book she read. Her favorite perfume...soap....shampoo. And..of course..more heavy stuff...greatest fears...everyday worries. But I would not invade her personal space .....and would never ask her this stuff because I have a tremendous amount of respect for her. I don't care for nervy people...so I would never want to become what I can't tolerate in other people. Marianne's original question: I'm a Gemini and a smidgen under 5' 10'.....oh...shoe size: 10..;-) Bree >You know, Kate, I feel the same way. When questions >start rolling around, concerning personal, privacy >issues, be it whomever, is where I draw the line. >Joni's personal life is her special space..her secret >place and that's all there is to it. I was expecting >to hear what Joni's shoe size was and maybe her weight >and I just do an about face and prance along my merry >way, hoping that Joni, in any way, feels as if fans >are probing. That's not fair, not for an artist such >as herself. She lets us know just about everything, >any way, and when she decide she wants to walk away >from the limelight, retreating to her splendid >isolation, you know she's coming back, all rested and >beautiful, ready to rock and rumble. > >She says she's leaving but she don't go. > >nj >--- Kate Johnson wrote: > > > > I was stunned by the fact that Joni absolutely > > towered over Dylan > > > in that > > > Youtube video, where she and Van crashed Dylan 's > > set. So how tall > > > is Dylan > > > then ? 5' 1 ? > > > > > > Michael in Quebec > > > > Maybe she was wearing heels? When I met her at the > > Mendel, she was > > very close to my height, or so it seemed. > > > > As for protecting Joni's privacy, I can understand > > her friends > > wanting to be careful about her personal life. In my > > case, I FEEL > > LIKE she is my personal friend and so I shouldn't go > > blabbing about > > any contact I have with her, while at the same time > > knowing that most > > others on this discussion list ALSO feel as if she's > > a personal > > friend and will be thrilled to hear any little bit > > of anecdotal > > information. It's not easy to draw the line. > > > > SaskKate > > http://xoetc.antville.org > > http://www.letterwriter.wordpress.com > > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________________________ >Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels >in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! 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