From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #1 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 6 2007 Volume 2007 : Number 001 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dancing Joni : Imagined set list [Bob Muller ] Re: Question about book ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #1 [Kate Johnson ] Diana Krall now with RLJ and general comments about attending concerts [S] Vienna Teng(sjc) [Victor Johnson ] Cass Elliott & Eric Clapton (SJC) ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Question about Joni books [MattJones ] Re: Question about book/For The Roses [Motitan@aol.com] Joni & the radio [Motitan@aol.com] RE : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) [Joseph Pal] Re: Diana Krall now with RLJ and general comments about attending concerts [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni & the radio [Bob Muller ] Re: : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) [merk54@ao] Re: Joni Autobiography [Snapple1984@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 04:15:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Dancing Joni : Imagined set list I say it looks you probably hit the nail right on the head there Michael - thanks for the alert! Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Leah" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 13:34:29 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Question about book Monika, While I'm not familiar with the Bego book, I suspect it is not up to par. The best books out there are the Karen O'Brien biography and a wonderful collection of articles edited by Stacey Luftig, called The Joni Mitchell Companion: Four Decades of Commentary (2000). I highly recommend the latter. Welcome to the list - you still have Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Hejira to discover! (And then there's Turbulent Indigo, Night Ride Home, For the Roses, and the journey goes on!) I look forward to checking out your music. Michael in Quebec Monika wrote: Well I've been looking around for a good Joni biography to read and the only thing I have come across is a book written by Mark Bego (that may not be all the way correct as I recall this from memory and my memory is not the greatest thing in the world at times). It has a picture of her on the cover, is 300 something pages long, and goes in the order of her albums. Has anyone read this? Is it a good read? Are there any other books floating around there that I ought to check out? _________________________________________________________________ Discover Live.ca, the search engine by the creators of Windows Live Messenger http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:45:33 -0600 From: Kate Johnson Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #1 On 5-Jan-07, at 2:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > It opens in Calgary on Thursday, February 8th, and plays through > Saturday > the 11th. > > I have no idea if Joni will be there. I suspect she will be, as I know she will be in Saskatoon just the week or so before. I will be dropping off an old china plate depicting the Bessborough Hotel as seen through the arch of one of the city's bridges, for her, on Jan. 25th. I haven't been planning to go to Calgary; it's a 10-hour drive and I avoid those. Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:50:26 -0500 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: Diana Krall now with RLJ and general comments about attending concerts Having said that, the one concert I attended where I am guessing that close to 90 - 95% of the people in the audience are old fans, was Rickie Lee Jones' Jan 31 concert in Carrboro, NC. Attended mostly by folks of a particular demographic group, the banters they made to RLJ in the concert hall speak so much about their time-honored and cherished fascination with her and her music since 1979. Case in point: asking who was Chuck E (with RLJ laughingly replying: "Don't you think it's rather too late for me to answer that?"), and asking her reaction what it felt like to be the then-unknown girlfriend in the cover of Tom Waits' album "Foreign Affairs". As a long-time fan of RLJ, I felt the thrill in the air as though being one with the adoring audience who, like me, immersed one's self with RLJ's music and through years of reading her lyrics in various albums she put out, having a warmly cozy feeling likeyou are reading a poem of an old friend. ________________________________________________________________________________________________ This is an interesting post because I had the same experience when I saw Ricki Lee Jones in Boston at Night Stage in Cambridge many years ago. Night Stage (now closed) was like a little restaurant / club with tables and chairs seating maybe a few hundred people Max. Anyway - RLJ came out with just her guitar and piano and talked back and forth to the audience for 2 1/2 hours performing an incredible, intimate and unforgettable show. I will never forget that concert as I am a huge fan of hers. I also have had the good fortune of seeing Joni 4 times since the early 70's (1st time was the Court & Spark tour) at the Music Hall in Boston (also now closed). My experience has been that Joni seems distant and rather choreographed in her shows. While I feel very fortunate to have seen her and admire her music and ability so much, I don't know if there is ever much dialogue between Joni and her fans during her performances, Perhaps when she first started out and played small clubs there was but I would be very interested in other people's experiences. Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:24 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Vienna Teng(sjc) Has anybody checked her out? Her most recent album "Dreaming Through the Noise" was produced by Larry Klein. I just ordered it from Amazon along with Anjani, Corrine Bailey Rae( I agree Fred, she's a breath of fresh air!), and Imogen Heap. Victor NP: Thunderstorms and rainfall (not a song, actual rain, outside...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:19:44 -0800 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Cass Elliott & Eric Clapton (SJC) With all the reports coming in of peoples' favorites from '06 I'm afraid I'm a complete slacker. I rarely buy music which makes me sad because I just don't hear much that gets me. I did get Shawn Colvin's newest, played it three or four times and came away nonplussed. I did however get Eric Clapton & JJ Cale's "Escondido" which I've played several times and am really enjoying. And Escondido itself is 15 minutes up the freeway. (I think maybe Cale lives there?) Last night I happened upon the last third of a biography of Cass Elliott on A&E's Biography. I'll try to find it again and tape it, but there was a Joni mention when David Crosby was talking about she was the Gertrude Stein of her time, the cultural magnet of their time, with the nicest house, the best food, best other things (i.e., drugs) and said he took Joni there and she and Eric Clapton and others just played each other songs (they showed the photo (Diltz's?) of them on the lawn playing). There was the mention of her hard drug use and Graham Nash admitted they were all extremely reckless and he's kind of stunned by it now. Lots of other Joni-related people: Henry Diltz, the ex-wife of Russ Kunkel, etc. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: MattJones Subject: Re: Question about Joni books I find the Bego boring. The information contained within seems a patchwork of information readily available in other sources (interview, reviews, etc). Writing on Joni is scant, in terms of books, but I agree with the others who say Shadows and Light by O'Brien is the superior book. Additionally, you might want to try Brian Hinton's "Both Sides Now," and Luftig's "The Joni Mitchell Companion," which is less biography and more a collection of writings about/ interviews with Joni. Hope this helps! MJ rats live on no evil star Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:22:55 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Re: Question about book/For The Roses "While I'm not familiar with the Bego book, I suspect it is not up to par. The best books out there are the Karen O'Brien biography and a wonderful collection of articles edited by Stacey Luftig, called The Joni Mitchell Companion: Four Decades of Commentary (2000). I highly recommend the latter. Welcome to the list - you still have Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Hejira to discover! (And then there's Turbulent Indigo, Night Ride Home, For the Roses, and the journey goes on!)" - ------------------------- Thanks for the tip again! Everyone is so helpful on this board! It's very refreshing, you know? Oh, and I actually did just recently buy For The Roses! I bought it the Tuesday after Xmas because after reading about it (on Amazon and other sites), it intrigued me (the content, the words, plus the fact that it is sandwiched between Blue and C&S!). I think it's a fantastic album. A bit darker (which is another reason it intrigued me) and very fascinating. God I've listened to it probably a thousand times by now. I listened to it every single day from the day I bought to just the other day. I put it down for a rest but then got it out again today! Crazy I tell you. I enjoy Joni's music so much that I can't say what my favourite album is anymore so far. I just don't know! - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:46:52 EST From: Motitan@aol.com Subject: Joni & the radio Hey, I was wondering if the radio stations (classic rock, oldies, whatever would fit) you listen to ever play any of Joni's music? I've found here I never EVER hear a Joni Mitchell song on the radio. Now granted perhaps Joni's music isn't radio friendly and thus the average listener prefers shake-your-ass-I-have-no-attention-span music. However, Pink Floyd is often played on the radio yet I wouldn't consider a good portion of their music "radio friendly." I've only heard Joni on Sirius not commercial radio. I'll tell you after I get my radio job, I'll get my experience, and if I ever become a music director (one who chooses and programs the music on the station!) of a classic rock station (classic rock is my ideal genre) the first thing I'll do is throw some Joni songs on there. - -Monika ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:06:26 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) Good thing for you, Stewart, because you have been to a Joni performance while I am just deaming through the noise (apologies to Vienna Teng) about it. That's an interesting comment about Joni and her interaction with her audience. I can't recall who said this but someone in the List a few years ago said that s/he watched a Joni performance where there was a heckler and Joni was pissed by that disturbance and said something to this effect "If you don't want to be here, then get the f*** out." Then she launched in a rather aggressive version of "Sex Kills". Anyone among you said this? Care to repeat that story again? As for RLJ, the feeling I felt seeing her that night in Jnauary last year was just too ineffably affecting -- words can't quite convey it. But when she launched in that one of a kind performance of "Something Cool" that she sang in her "Girl at Her Volcano" album, she brought tears and chills in this adoring fan's eyes and skin. Especially since she forgot the lyrics and was moving in that ragged, almost theatrical way as though wanting to express her pain and humiliation but cannot. Some hairs fell out when she was aggressively gesticulating while singing. She mixed the song's lyrics but atthat time no one cared as we were all moved by that performance and it was deathly still. When she finsihed the song, no one applauded for a long time. Then ovation and I saw some of the most beautiful sights -- grown men and women openly wiping tears away. And I remembered thinking how similar this is to watching a Greek play where the actor's tragedy almost creates an exquisite feeling of catharsis. And although some artists gave me chills while wathing them perform (Marcel Marceau, M. Ward, Nora Aunor), nothing quite comes close to that RLJ moment last year. Joseph np: Jeanne Trevor - Early in the Morning Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com a icrit : _______________________________________________________________________________________________ This is an interesting post because I had the same experience when I saw Ricki Lee Jones in Boston at Night Stage in Cambridge many years ago. Night Stage (now closed) was like a little restaurant / club with tables and chairs seating maybe a few hundred people Max. Anyway - RLJ came out with just her guitar and piano and talked back and forth to the audience for 2 1/2 hours performing an incredible, intimate and unforgettable show. I will never forget that concert as I am a huge fan of hers. I also have had the good fortune of seeing Joni 4 times since the early 70's (1st time was the Court & Spark tour) at the Music Hall in Boston (also now closed). My experience has been that Joni seems distant and rather choreographed in her shows. While I feel very fortunate to have seen her and admire her music and ability so much, I don't know if there is ever much dialogue between Joni and her fans during her performances, Perhaps when she first started out and played small clubs there was but I would be very interested in other people's experiences. Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. 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She interacted with the audience a lot on that tour, and though her setlists had some similarities, there were always some differences from night to night so that it was not coming off as being choreographed. When I saw her at Chastain in 2000 (when she was singing with a full orchestra), some dumbass hollered out a request, to which Joni just laughed, looked over her shoulder, and asked the orchestra if they were ready to improvise. In most every live show I have, there's some original audience interaction - some good, some bad. She tunes in to her audience and definitely expects her audience to be tuned in to her show and not gabbing to each other, making beer runs, talking on the phone, etc. More power to her. I don't expect that she will tour, but if she should I sincerely hope she does herself the favor of avoiding stadiums and schedules smaller more intimate and better acoustically-designed venues. It would be a better experience for everyone. Bob NP: Loggins & Messina, "Be Free" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:28:26 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Vienna Teng(sjc) >Has anybody checked her out? Her most recent album "Dreaming Through the Noise" was produced by Larry Klein. < I have her first one (or was it second- from a few years ago) which I really liked... I think it was debra in nyc who first mentioned her here ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:14:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni & the radio When it comes to hearing Joni on commercial radio, fugeddaboutit. She didn't get a lot of airplay back in the day (and only had 1 song to crack the top ten)I've heard her several times on XM radio, Deep Tracks plays her with some frequency and The Loft does too. The other night we were piling into my wife's car to go eat, and "Song For Sharon" was playing. Wait...take that back, it was "Furry Sings The Blues". Then when we were leaving the restaurant they were playing the Miles of Aisles version of BSN! I was laughing my ass off. "All Joni - all the time!" The best way to hear Joni with regularity is to force the issue and play her yourself. Bob NP: Ani, "Brief Bus Stop" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 20:31:53 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) I could talk for hours about seeing RLJ in concert. Besides Joni, she is the only other performer to bring tears to my eyes during a performance. In RLJ's case, it was while performing Company at Poplar Creek (near Chicago). By the time she sang "But when I reach across the galaxy, I will miss your company" I was sobbing out loud. What a night that was. Later in the evening, Rickie even pulled me out of the audience to dance with me. Pretty magical stuff. It's funny that you would mention "Something Cool", because her singing that song at Pick-Staiger Hall in Chicago is probably my all time favorite concert moment of all time. (Okay - maybe seeing Joni at Red Rocks would be my ultimate concert moment - but this was pretty freakin' special). It was her final encore of the night, and she was singing "Something Cool" a cappella and about half way through the song, she botched the lyrics, dropped an f-bomb and stopped the song. She apologized and started the song over from the beginning, only this time she completely reinterpreted the song, adding a level of emotion to it that was indescribable. The interpretations were so different, that the person I was with thought they were two different songs. In the hundreds of concerts I've been to in my life, I have never seen anything like it. I could barely move by the time it was over. It's also interesting that the start of this thread dealt with having mostly true fans in the audience as I just attended a RLJ show that seemed to have very few fans in the audience. It was for a Sound Stage taping with Rickie a couple of weeks ago - it should air sometime in late February on your favorite PBS station. It was definitely the weirdest RLJ show I've ever been to (and I've seen some weird ones!). First off, well over half the people in the audience knew little or nothing about Rickie. They were just there because the tickets were free. The audience was nice and polite but for the most part you could tell they weren't really into it. So that was kind of a bummer - it definitely would have been better if the crowd consisted of more real fans. Rickie also seemed a little nervous at first - maybe cause of all the cameras, or maybe because she was doing so much new material, or was dealing with a new band. In any case, she gained momentum as the night went on. The new material had some interesting moments, but I'm not sure how well it's going to be received. More of a rock edge, and all based on Jesus. I'm not sure I totally understand the concept - I think the songs are based on things Jesus might have said or might be thinking or doing today (like there's one where he's driving around heaven in Elvis' Cadillac). Definitely not stuff right out of the Bible. There was a beautiful song about praying that managed to bash tele-evangelists (kind of a pretty version of Tax Free). Rickie had the oddest outfit on - not at all flattering. Entirely different, but it reminded of Joni during her Orchestra concerts and those weird gowns she wore then. Probably my favorite moment from the evening was when Rickie was singing Living It Up by herself at the piano (she opened the show by doing 5 songs along at the piano - very nice). Anyway, there was a camera person about 1 foot ot two from her, and when she the lyric about "c*nt-fingered Louie", I thought the camera man was going to fall off th! e stage. The look on his face was priceless! The whole Sound Stage taping thing was interesting - she did a couple of songs twice to get different takes of them - but it did not have the same feel of a typical RLJ concert. I'll be seeing her again up in Milwaukee in the near future and hopefully that will feel more like a typical show. By the way, her new band was very young, and had some kinks to work out, but they showed some promise. Like Joni, she is a unique artist who definitely follows her own muse and pursues her art more for her own satisfaction with little or no concern about commercial success. Okay - I'll stop babbling now. Sorry - Rickie just brings that out in me. Did I tell you about the time I saw her from the second row, and she was bombed on Jack Daniels and not wearing any panties? Hmmm - I better save that for another time. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: josephpalis@yahoo.fr To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 3:06 PM Subject: RE : RLJ and general comments about attending concerts (SJC) Good thing for you, Stewart, because you have been to a Joni performance while I am just deaming through the noise (apologies to Vienna Teng) about it. That's an interesting comment about Joni and her interaction with her audience. I can't recall who said this but someone in the List a few years ago said that s/he watched a Joni performance where there was a heckler and Joni was pissed by that disturbance and said something to this effect "If you don't want to be here, then get the f*** out." Then she launched in a rather aggressive version of "Sex Kills". Anyone among you said this? Care to repeat that story again? As for RLJ, the feeling I felt seeing her that night in Jnauary last year was just too ineffably affecting -- words can't quite convey it. But when she launched in that one of a kind performance of "Something Cool" that she sang in her "Girl at Her Volcano" album, she brought tears and chills in this adoring fan's eyes and skin. Especially since she forgot the lyrics and was moving in that ragged, almost theatrical way as though wanting to express her pain and humiliation but cannot. Some hairs fell out when she was aggressively gesticulating while singing. She mixed the song's lyrics but atthat time no one cared as we were all moved by that performance and it was deathly still. When she finsihed the song, no one applauded for a long time. Then ovation and I saw some of the most beautiful sights -- grown men and women openly wiping tears away. And I remembered thinking how similar this is to watching a Greek play where the actor's tragedy almost creates an exquisite feeling of catharsis. And although some artists gave me chills while wathing them perform (Marcel Marceau, M. Ward, Nora Aunor), nothing quite comes close to that RLJ moment last year. Joseph np: Jeanne Trevor - Early in the Morning Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com a icrit : _______________________________________________________________________________________________ This is an interesting post because I had the same experience when I saw Ricki Lee Jones in Boston at Night Stage in Cambridge many years ago. Night Stage (now closed) was like a little restaurant / club with tables and chairs seating maybe a few hundred people Max. Anyway - RLJ came out with just her guitar and piano and talked back and forth to the audience for 2 1/2 hours performing an incredible, intimate and unforgettable show. I will never forget that concert as I am a huge fan of hers. I also have had the good fortune of seeing Joni 4 times since the early 70's (1st time was the Court & Spark tour) at the Music Hall in Boston (also now closed). My experience has been that Joni seems distant and rather choreographed in her shows. While I feel very fortunate to have seen her and admire her music and ability so much, I don't know if there is ever much dialogue between Joni and her fans during her performances, Perhaps when she first started out and played small clubs there was but I would be very interested in other people's experiences. Stewart - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. 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I read David Hajdu's "Positively Fourth Street" on the life and times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and Richard and Mimi Farina. I found that to be a bit soap opera-ish and it really played up jealousies and contentions that I've heard in interviews weren't true, so I never really know what to believe in biographies. - -Kira ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2007 #1 ******************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)