From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #358 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 358 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Jean Autry concert 1995-01-26 (Gene Autry) [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rolling Thunder [missblux@googlemail.com] Re: Joni, Van & Bob live - 1998 Gorge [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Rolling Thunder Revue [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni's new music [Em ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Joni's new music ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni's new music [Catherine McKay ] [none] ["Joe Farrell" ] RE: Joni's new music [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] re:joni recording again ["Joe Farrell" ] Re: Joni's new music [Em ] Re: Joni's new music [David Sapp ] Rolling Thunder Redux ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete [Melissa Gibbs ] Re: Joni's new music [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni's new music [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Joni's new music [hell@ihug.co.nz] tragedy ["mack watson-bush" ] Political songs / albums that I like [merk54@aol.com] Re: tragedy [Victor Johnson ] Joni's new music ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's new music ["Kate Bennett" ] R.I.P. Peter Boyle...and John Lennon! ["Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni Jean Autry concert 1995-01-26 (Gene Autry) This would be the same concert that I uploaded the CD covers for a few weeks ago. Mark in Sydney NP Who Is It? (Fruit Machine Mix) - Bjork ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 07:42:30 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: RE: Joni's Landscapes If anyone has any clues as to how I can show these folks more of her art related to landscapes, Hey Kate, I'll try to find the series of photos we took at the Mendal opening. We took a shot of each piece in the show which had several woods and land themes. Travelogue booklet has a few and Turbulent Indigo(different in each packaging of the CD) has several snow cap scenes. I would also make contact with Les Moonves Gallery and tell him and he may connect Joni into contacting your Gallery if she is interested. They did say she had well over 460 paintings to go through to select for the Mendal show, and that was 6 years ago. She has also been working on a series of dead forest from acid rain effects. I'll start digging. Peace. Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 12:50:26 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Rolling Thunder Hi all, I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download the Joni Covers. Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the thought makes me nervous! Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the 22nd. There I can download all I want. Thanks to both! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:56:41 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Bene, don't worry about it. Just let me know when you are home and I will repost it somewhere log-in free. Mark. On 14/12/2006, at 11:50 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait > until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, > and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download > the Joni Covers. > > Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a > log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in > something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me > bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the > thought makes me nervous! > > Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will > it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the > 22nd. There I can download all I want. > > Thanks to both! > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 13:00:10 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Cool, thanks a lot!!! Bene On 12/14/06, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Bene, don't worry about it. Just let me know when you are home and I > will repost it somewhere log-in free. > > Mark. > > On 14/12/2006, at 11:50 PM, missblux@googlemail.com wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I want to download the Rolling Thunder Revue but I'd like to wait > > until I get home for Christmas, it sounds like it's a big download, > > and I get reprimands from the University server every time I download > > the Joni Covers. > > > > Like Moni, I'd rather download it from someplace which doesn't need a > > log-in. I guess I am slightly paranoid about getting entangled in > > something that takes a long time, may not work, and ends up sending me > > bulks of spam.... It's probably not going to happen but jsut the > > thought makes me nervous! > > > > Ron, would you remind us of where you put the latest version? And will > > it still be there in ten days' time? I'll be in Copenhagen from the > > 22nd. There I can download all I want. > > > > Thanks to both! > > > > Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:01:09 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni, Van & Bob live - 1998 Gorge Yes, but I have to admit that I didn't know it was her at first. She was bundled up pretty good, which makes sense given that from what I remember it was a chilly night and she was working through some sickness issues. I think they did this encore twice, once at the Gorge and once in Canada - don't bet on my memory however. I know that Mark was there - maybe we can coax him out of lurkdom to comment. 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My overall impression is that when you hear Joni sing to just her acoustic guitar you get a whole new appreciation of sweet her voice really is. Thanks for the post - I really appreciated it. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:24:13 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum Kate wrote: Among many other things that I do, I represent a small, nationally renowned Wilderness Art Museum (how about that for a niche?) in a very happening art's oriented town. Hi Kate: How interesting! Of course you know that there are 259 pieces of Joni's art on jonimitchell.com, oui? I think our Jamie Zoob is the curator there, non? And if I may segue to other "niche museums"......quelle coincidence/sychronicity! Life is for learning -- I had never heard this term until last week when I was on this flight tonight with my youngest son. I was perusing a guidebook to Chicago when I came upon this and lit up as bright as a neon light: "Chicago's Top 10 Niche Museums 5. The Peace Museum Art, history, and politics as seen through a pacifist's prism: the Peace Museum houses a 10,000-item collection, including sculpture, banners, and lithograpsh. Rotating exhibits cover themes such as 20th-century peace movements, the AIDS quilt, and art from Japanest A-bomb surviviors. 100 N. Central Park Ave. 11 a.m.-5 p.m. Tue, Wed., Sat and by appt. Map B5" (DK Eyewitness Top 10 Travel Guides: Chicago. Elaine Glusac, Elisa Kronish, Robert Sotonoff. DK Publishing, Copyright 2004) Wow! Just my cup of tea for the Tillerman! I tap Michael's arm. He looks slightly exasperated at having to stop reading and turn down his iPod yet again. "Mike, look at THIS!" He reads it and says, "Oh, Mom, we are NOT going to some PEACE museum. You and your peace stuff!" (We then had a little discussion about compromise and tolerance on this trip. He finally agreed that we could go.) Good fortune, however, did not allow us to get over to the Peace Museum because of time constraints and schedules. But you can bet your Joni "eighteen bucks went up in smoke" (or any other Joni currency....LOL!) that the next time I go to Chicago, whatever train, plane or automobile I am travelling travelling in will stop first at the Peace Museum! Some googling informs me that it is the only Peace Museum in the U.S., and that it has stuff from John Lennon, Joan Baez, Bono, and you know...... (There are lots of museums about war, aren't there? I remember going to some General Patton museum in Fort Knox when I was about 10 years old. "Give War A Chance", right Muller? Sheesh, I still can't get over that bumpersticker you saw!) Their website is not very sophisticated or developed, but for what it's worth, here it is: http://www.peacemuseum.org/index.htm I'd love to see pictures of the contents of this: Music Lovers Peace Basket $85 1 One Year Individual Peace Museum membership 1 2006 Peace, Love & Rock n Roll calendar 2 "Peace Through Music" bumper stickers 2 "Give Peace A Chance" license plate frames 1 "Give Peace A Chance" book (first copy/"vintage" edition chronicling musicians inspired to advocate for peace & social justice including Joan Baez, Stevie Wonder, John Lennon, U2 and many more) 1 sweatshop free t-shirt from Peace Museum's "International Day of Peace" (backside of t-shirt has a poem, "Dreams in a Box", written for The Peace Museum by U2's Bono) 2 John Lennon Postcards 1 Peace Button Ha! I think I'll send this link to my sons to give them gift ideas for Christmas! (But wait....next year is 2007...I wonder if they still offer this?) But back to you, Kate (pardon the longue segue!), good luck with your museum and upcoming exhibits. Niche museums are cool -- my neighbor is President of the Eastern CT Railroad Museum and he has a lot of fun with that. (Hmmm....I should give him a copy of "Just Like This Train" to play for visitors!) Love and peace, Patti P. NPIMH: "And so this is Christmas, and what have you done....." (John and Yoko) _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 08:57:14 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum >How interesting! Of course you know that there are 259 pieces of Joni's art on jonimitchell.com, oui? I think our Jamie Zoob is the curator there, non?< Oy, I didn't realize there were that many even though I saw the green flag song collection... duh on me! I'll have a look... >5. The Peace Museum Art, history, and politics as seen through a pacifist's prism: the Peace Museum houses a 10,000-item collection, including sculpture, banners, and lithograpsh. < Cool patti! (npimh Chicago, CSNY) > (There are lots of museums about war, aren't there? I remember going to some General Patton museum in Fort Knox when I was about 10 years old. < you are darn right going to see war places (revolutionary & civil) was part of my family's little tour to see the history of an area wherever we were visiting... I never enjoyed these history lesssons... I guess it was the early inklings of a young girl who'd grow up hating war ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 09:01:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni's Landscapes That would be very cool mingus. I'll dig out my two CD packs to see what art is in there. also thanks for letting me know how many she has so I can let them know it's the tip of the iceberg. when I met joni at her opening I gave her a bunch of stuff from our museum but who knows if she kept it. good idea to call the gallery to remind her of our museum (we received an invitation to the opening so someone has us on their list). anyway first up is to get more examples of her art in front of the exhibition committee to see if they are interested (they'd be fools not to be but that is a subject for a nuther day) kate >Hey Kate, I'll try to find the series of photos we took at the Mendal opening. We took a shot of each piece in the show which had several woods and land themes. Travelogue booklet has a few and Turbulent Indigo(different in each packaging of the CD) has several snow cap scenes. I would also make contact with Les Moonves Gallery and tell him and he may connect Joni into contacting your Gallery if she is interested. They did say she had well over 460 paintings to go through to select for the Mendal show, and that was 6 years ago. She has also been working on a series of dead forest from acid rain effects. I'll start digging. Peace. Mingus< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:30:31 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete Hi Mark, So sorry to make you feel neglected on that! I have a very old computer so I usually have to skip downloads completely even if they are good ones! Please know that I'm always reading even if I don't respond. I would love to see this performance of Joni but until I get a new computer, it will be difficult. Sherelle Mark in Sydney wrote: Hi guys. I was surprised that I got no feedback about the "complete" Rolling Thunder Revue package. This took several people and several days to put together. Maybe you're all just over all the downloads. This one is worth it. It is the most comprehensive package of that set of performances around. Is anyone having any problems with the downloads? Let me know and I will try something else. Mark in Sydney _________________________________________________________________ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=tagline&locale=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:04:35 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: sjc? Joni's Landscapes, segue to Peace Museum Kate wrote: > >you are darn right going to see war places (revolutionary & civil) was part >of my family's little tour to see the history of an area wherever we were >visiting... I never enjoyed these history lesssons... I guess it was the >early inklings of a young girl who'd grow up hating war > > Unlike this person who wrote a review: "The Peace Museum is for a bunch of Sandinista loving,nuclear freeze supporting anti- American flakes...go there if you want..but expect nothing patriotic." As Joni said, "you can't please 'em all!" _________________________________________________________________ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601&tcode=wlmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10:47:28 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Joni's new music First let me say that I am thrilled that Joni is now going to give us some new music and has already given us some new paintings. I am also happy that she is going to stand up and comment on the state of our world today. But I have to say I am a bit hesitant about what the new music is going to sound like both musically as well as lyrically. To me Jonis political works, or most of it anyway, has been lesser Joni... when compared to her other work. Magdalena Laundries would be an exception, but it seems as if her political work lacks the subtlety and layers of duality and meaning that her best work reveals. Compare the lyric of Harry's House with the lyric to Dog Eat Dog... Harry contains the wonderful fish images, the paper businessmen and the paper wives papering the walls... on the other hand, Dog is straight out true about the state of the world that contains none of the subtleties in the lyric. In the past it also seems that Joni's production values have become somewhat daunted when confronted with political work. Especially in Dog And Chalkmark her production pretty much overwhelmed the lyric... and I've always preferred the acoustic versions of these songs that float around from time to time. So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one of you can. Anyway that is it for now. Peace, David - --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:30:02 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's new music - --- David Sapp wrote: > So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her > latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's > paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or > vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one > of you can. Hi David, I have to admit, the first thing that came to mind when I read your post is that the latest works, (I don't think) are paintings at all. They are some kind of prints or big giclee prints of photogenerated images. Or? So, hmmmm, what would be the musical counterpart of that? Not saying it would be good or bad. But it does cross my mind that a dulcimer won't be part of the picture. LOL! you know???? Like "organic" it ain't. But maybe the new music will be completely different! Or maybe it'll be an extension of the stuff of hers some of us don't like very much. Its HER art; she can do what she wants, right?! Even if she takes a dump on the sidewalk, I would be happy to see it. errr, hear it? Em ps: I'm not saying the greeen flag works are not good, btw...they are just a less direct involvement of the artist with her medium than applying paint to canvas. I'm certain it could be argued that I'm wrong about that though. :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:33:38 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete Finally got a chance to download part 1, I'm listening to it now...it's great to have these rare recordings, thanks Mark, and all involved in making this happen. I've tinkered with the equalizer setting in my Windows Media Player-while the tracks are from different sources, and may require further tweaking, these are my settings, giving a bit more body and removing a bit of bite from the recordings (the graphic equalizer is on the upper left of the 'now playing' tab-on my version, anyway) 62hz (+5) / 125hz (+4) / 250hz (+4) / 1khz (+1) / 2khz (0) 4khz (-3) / 8khz (+1) / 16khz (0) Thank goodness the audience was respectful, appreciative, and wasn't talking! RR > Hi guys. I was surprised that I got no feedback about the "complete" > Rolling Thunder Revue package. This took several people and several > days to put together. Maybe you're all just over all the downloads. > This one is worth it. It is the most comprehensive package of that set > of performances around. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:24:22 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni's new music I've only seen the reproductions on jonimitchell.com but that Green Flag series is the best visual art that I've ever seen from Joni. I was blown away by how powerful it is and how subtle compared to other recent political art. So I'm hoping her music will be just as much a step forward for her as the art. Glass three quarters full, Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of David Sapp Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 1:47 PM To: joni list Subject: Joni's new music First let me say that I am thrilled that Joni is now going to give us some new music and has already given us some new paintings. I am also happy that she is going to stand up and comment on the state of our world today. But I have to say I am a bit hesitant about what the new music is going to sound like both musically as well as lyrically. To me Jonis political works, or most of it anyway, has been lesser Joni... when compared to her other work. Magdalena Laundries would be an exception, but it seems as if her political work lacks the subtlety and layers of duality and meaning that her best work reveals. Compare the lyric of Harry's House with the lyric to Dog Eat Dog... Harry contains the wonderful fish images, the paper businessmen and the paper wives papering the walls... on the other hand, Dog is straight out true about the state of the world that contains none of the subtleties in the lyric. In the past it also seems that Joni's production values have become somewhat daunted when confronted with political work. Especially in Dog And Chalkmark her production pretty much overwhelmed the lyric... and I've always preferred the acoustic versions of these songs that float around from time to time. So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one of you can. Anyway that is it for now. Peace, David - --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:43:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni's new music - --- Em wrote: > Hi David, I have to admit, the first thing that came > to mind when I > read your post is that the latest works, (I don't > think) are paintings > at all. They are some kind of prints or big giclee > prints of > photogenerated images. Or? > > So, hmmmm, what would be the musical counterpart of > that? > Not saying it would be good or bad. > But it does cross my mind that a dulcimer won't be > part of the picture. > LOL! you know???? > Like "organic" it ain't. > But maybe the new music will be completely > different! Electronica? Sampling? Hip hop? Angry rants and chanting against a beatbox background? Maybe Joni needs to revisit "The Jungle Line". I've tried to think of political songs that are also good music. All I can think of is union songs. I think it's hard to write good music or lyrics when you're angry. If someone can think of any - especially songs that are good both lyrically and musically, let me know. Most of the ones I can think of, including Joni's, are a bit more simplistic. I think the best Joni songs are the melancholy or sad ones. Most of the classical music that I can think of that is very powerful is also melancholy. I think this is kind of true of most of the good music I can think of. I suppose you need to define what "good" is. Apparently, a lot of people think "Fergalicious" is a great song. Maybe it's the aural equivalent to gingerbread houses at the White House while war is raging in Iraq and elsewhere. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:44:21 -0000 From: "Joe Farrell" Subject: [none] Bob, Thanks for pointing me to the feature on JMDL it is a really interesting article. Sounds like Joni is recording again and she sounds pretty fired up right now. I can't wait to hear the results. A new Joni album containing new songs now that would be a real treat. Regards, Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:57:24 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: RE: Joni's new music True, and it's important to remember that DED & CMIARS involved heavy collaboration with Klein, Dolby and all the guest stars brought in. While Joni was happy with the end product, I don't think it was solely her vision. I foresee that there will be more of a TI feel plus I think in many ways this new one is not going to sound like anything we've heard from Joni thus far. And I'm really hoping regarding her guitars that she doesn't only do the Parker/VG8 thing this time around. It would suit me if she was all piano this time. Bob NP: Ani, "Brief Bus Stop" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:47:23 -0000 From: "Joe Farrell" Subject: re:joni recording again Subject of last email as above, sorry i missed it out. Joe. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's new music also, "Banquet" is, to me, very political AND good. Em - --- David Sapp wrote: > Well I would call Magdalena Laundries a good political song. It > attacks the brutalization of women from one woman's point of view and > thereby not only tugs at the heartstrings, and makes one cry, but > makes a very potent political point which hopefully will provoke > someone to find a solution to the problem. > Peace, David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 14:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: David Sapp Subject: Re: Joni's new music Well I would call Magdalena Laundries a good political song. It attacks the brutalization of women from one woman's point of view and thereby not only tugs at the heartstrings, and makes one cry, but makes a very potent political point which hopefully will provoke someone to find a solution to the problem. Peace, David Catherine McKay wrote: I've tried to think of political songs that are also good music. All I can think of is union songs. I think it's hard to write good music or lyrics when you're angry. If someone can think of any - especially songs that are good both lyrically and musically, let me know. Most of the ones I can think of, including Joni's, are a bit more simplistic. I think the best Joni songs are the melancholy or sad ones. Most of the classical music that I can think of that is very powerful is also melancholy. I think this is kind of true of most of the good music I can think of. I suppose you need to define what "good" is. Apparently, a lot of people think "Fergalicious" is a great song. Maybe it's the aural equivalent to gingerbread houses at the White House while war is raging in Iraq and elsewhere. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:35:08 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Rolling Thunder Redux I dredged up Joni's Cambridge performance from an archive disc, compressed it (Oh NO, Mr. Bill!) and sent it along to Mark, but it occurred to me that 99 of you and Mark could also get it here: Cambridge show (Harvard Square Theater) was November 20 and the two Boston shows (Boston Music Hall) were afternoon and evening of November 21. (1975) http://download.yousendit.com/A23925724788F68B ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:02:54 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Hi Stewart. Here is the original link for Part 1. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B5MEYTK8 You may still be able to download it from there. Let me know if it has closed. Maybe someone else could repost it or I could zip it again and repost it. Mark. On 15/12/2006, at 2:01 AM, Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Sorry not to give feedback - Actually I downloaded 14 MP3s's under CD > 2.Zip > from You Send It. By any chance was there a CD 1.Zip ?? I really > enjoyed > the music - especially Shadows and Light - its quite a different > acoustic > version from the studio version of that song. I had actually heard > Coyote > before from the revue - someone else had posted it from the list awhile > back. I also enjoyed Edith and the Kingpin. I would also add that the > sound > quality was quite good for a concert recording. My overall impression > is > that when you hear Joni sing to just her acoustic guitar you get a > whole > new appreciation of sweet her voice really is. Thanks for the post - I > really appreciated it. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for > the use > of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain > information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt > from > disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified > that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 10:02:17 +1100 From: Melissa Gibbs Subject: Re: Rolling Thunder Revue Complete Mark wrote: "Hi guys. I was surprised that I got no feedback about the "complete" Rolling Thunder Revue package." Mark, I for one certainly appreciate the time and effort that goes into compiling these packages. Like many others on the list, I tend not to provide feedback on everything I receive. In my case, it's mainly because I like to hear what others who have been into Joni for much longer than I discern from the various performances. So many reviewers on the jmdl provide insights that I would never pick up on my own, so I tend to not offer my own uninformed views unless something really strikes me. The bottom line is, Mark, that your (and others) contributions are very gratefully received and appreciated. Melissa, a fellow Sydney-sider, a little confused by this crazy weather (37 degrees celsius yesterday, just 20 degrees celsius today. What's a girl to wear??) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 15:59:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni's new music - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" >I foresee that there will be more of a TI feel plus I think in many ways this new one is not going to sound like anything we've heard from Joni thus far. We'll see, of course, but with a band of Hancock, Shorter and Blades, I think this one might have more of a jazz feel (he said with hope). :) Michael Flaherty Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 17:57:28 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Joni's new music From: Catherine McKay >If someone can think of any - especially songs that are good both lyrically and musically, let me know. Strange Fruit: Billie Holiday The Day after Tomorrow: Tom Waits Michael Flaherty Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 12:20:35 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: Joni's new music Catherine wrote: > I've tried to think of political songs that are > also good music. All I can think of is union > songs. I think it's hard to write good music or > lyrics when you're angry. If someone can think of > any - especially songs that are good both > lyrically and musically, let me know. Most of the > ones I can think of, including Joni's, are a bit > more simplistic. I'm not quite sure what your criteria is for "political" songs, but I can think of a few that are political "IMO" that fit into the "lyrically and musically" good category: Buffy Saint-Marie - Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee Shona Laing - Glad I'm Not A Kennedy Shona Laing - Neutral and Nuclear-Free Shona Laing - Soviet Snow Neil Young - Ohio Stephen Stills - Word Game Stephen Stills - For What It's Worth Graham Nash - Immigration Man Graham Nash - Military Madness Graham Nash - Soldiers Of Peace Joni Mitchell - Magdalene Laundries Joni Mitchell - Big Yellow Taxi Joni Mitchell - Tax Free Joni Mitchell - Ethiopia Amy Ray - Laramie Melissa Etheridge - Scarecrow And that's just the few I can think of right at this minute. I'll probably sign off and think of half a dozen more right away! But again, it does depend on your criteria for "political". Hell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 18:56:19 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: tragedy My best friend in the world, the best person I have every known is named Rosalie. You might remember her, she posted here a few times. Her sons, Andrew and Steven, 24 and 22, were killed two nights ago when the car they were in ran into a tree. Dead and gone forever, her only children. Please remember their names Andy and Steven Rutledge and say a prayer for Rosalie. Thank You, mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 20:26:07 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Political songs / albums that I like Just a few that come quickly to mind Bob Dylan - Masters of War James McMurtry - We Can't Make it Here Steve Earle - The Revolution Starts Now Rickie Lee Jones - Ugly Man Patty Smith - People Have the Power John Prine - Some Humans Ain't Human Bruce Springsteen - Devils and Dust Joni Mitchell - Tax Free Steeleye Span - Fighting For Stangers Roy Harper - I Hate the White Man The Strawbs - The Hangman and the Papist Cheryl Wheeler - If It Were Up To Me Bruce Cockburn - Maybe the Poet Pink Floyd - Animals Peter Gabriel - Biko John Lennon - Imagine Jack ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:07:48 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: tragedy On Dec 14, 2006, at 7:56 PM, mack watson-bush wrote: > My best friend in the world, the best person I have every known is > named > Rosalie. You might remember her, she posted here a few times. Her > sons, > Andrew and Steven, 24 and 22, were killed two nights ago when the > car they > were in ran into a tree. Dead and gone forever, her only > children. Please > remember their names Andy and Steven Rutledge and say a prayer for > Rosalie. > > Thank You, > > mack I'm very sorry to hear that Mack. I'll definately say a prayer Rosalie and think of her tomorrow night (playing piano for four hours at a Christmas party). Below is the song "Rosalie McFall" which is the only way I can think to honor her. Rosalie McFall (trad.) as done by the Grateful Dead Out on the lonely hillside in a cabin low and small Lived the sweetest rose of color my Rosie McFall Her eyes were bright and shining and her voice was sweet to me Knew that I would always love her and I hoped that she loved me My eyes turned to me, my darlin' and this is what she said: You know that I would always love you when you and I are wed. Then God way up in heaven one day for her did call I lost my bride, oh how I loved her, my Rosie McFall I searched this wide world over through cities great and small But I never found another like my Rosie McFall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:03:51 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni's new music b" So I wonder what the green flag song paintings reveal about her latest music... obviously it will be political content but Joni's paintings have always mirrored the musical structure of her songs or vice versa... I am just not able to translate all that but maybe one of you can.< I am not sure that her new music will be at all like her paintings- but thank you david - your post jogged my memory of our discussion at the gallery opening- she said something about music that was conducive to people dancing close together (maybe shebs in love?) & also something about no longer singing her sorrow & painting her joy (wherebs Julius when you need him?? he was the instigator of these conversations) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:15:32 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni's new music Good point, its long been my opinion that the best political songs are told in terms of someone's personal story... that said I've learned a lot from songwriters writing about political situations whether or not they are told in a story form- most notably phil ochs, sting & jackson browne >Well I would call Magdalena Laundries a good political song. It attacks the brutalization of women from one woman's point of view and thereby not only tugs at the heartstrings, and makes one cry, but makes a very potent political point which hopefully will provoke someone to find a solution to the problem. Peace, David< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 03:56:52 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: R.I.P. Peter Boyle...and John Lennon! Bon soir, Joniamigos: Reading the news ce soir, I was very surprised to learn this. Peter Boyle, the actor who played "Everybody Loves Raymond" father on that show, who sadly passed away yesterday, was a friend of our friend John Lennon. "Holy Crap!" "Through his wife, a friend of Yoko Ono, the actor became close friends with John Lennon. "We were both seekers after a truth, looking for a quick way to enlightenment," Boyle once said of Lennon, who was best man at his wedding." http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-boyleobit.artdec14,0,3713014.story Love and peace, Patti P. P.S. Reading the news, encore une fois, I also learned that today (12/14) is Patty Duke's birthday. Happy Birthday, Patty, another one of my childhood idols! (Now where is Vince? He loves Patty, too. I'm going to cc him here. Vince, come out, come out, wherever you are!) _________________________________________________________________ WIN up to $10,000 in cash or prizes  enter the Microsoft Office Live Sweepstakes http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/aub0050001581mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 23:29:43 -0600 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Joni & Buffy Sainte-Marie: on Bravo! Be sure and check out Bravo! on Saturday January 6, 2007 at 7 pm ET Buffy Sainte-Marie: A Multimedia Life will air on Bravo! "The documentary chronicles the achievements of Sainte-Marie and her personal journey as a singer, songwriter, artist, teacher and activist. It features interviews with Joni Mitchell, Randy Bachman, Stepppenwolf's John Kay, Robbie Robertson, Bill Cosby and folk legend Eric Anderson." Laura ******************************************* Win 1958 Hot Rod electric guitar and display case. (Value $7,699) http://www.gibson.com/HOTRODContest.aspx http://www.gibson.com/ ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #358 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)