From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #352 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 352 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cactus Tree ["Randy Remote" ] Re: "A horse with no name" [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Cactus Tree ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Cactus Tree ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Joni Covers Crazy Pops [missblux@googlemail.com] Fwd: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" [kenevans@umich.edu] Cactus Tree ["P. Henry" ] Re: Joni v Carole [Bob Muller ] Re: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" [Bob Muller ] Re: Cactus Tree ["Randy Remote" ] RE: Joni v Carole vs. Miles of Aisles ["Richard Flynn" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 00:12:44 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? Also for "Last Time I Saw Richard?" > opinion? Rick Cactus Tree, yes, better. LTISR...not sure...that waitress voice is corny, and the Richard, I said Richard part...anyone for a reggae "Carey"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 21:15:37 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: "A horse with no name" Hello "anon". I am a big fan of America too. Although this has no Joni content, America was the other music I listened to on the road along with Joni when I was hitchhiking around the world. I believe A Horse With No Name is just about travelling. Like many of Joni's songs, the image of travelling alone runs through many of their songs. As you probably know, Dewey and Gerry partially grew up in England because their fathers were in the military and were stationed there. They were homesick and that's why they named their band, America. It's also why a lot of their songs are about travelling through America. When I hitchhiked through North America, I looked for a few of these iconic places I'd heard about in Joni's and America's songs. I was dismayed to find that the Ventura Highway is now a freeway. Also that hitchhiking was illegal on freeways. So much for the dream. Mark in Sydney NP Living In Another World - Talk Talk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:20:51 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Subject: Cactus Tree On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually better than the studio version? Also for "Last Time I Saw Richard?" I think both of these are better on that live album, than on their original studio releases. I think for me, it has something to do with the way she sang them live....so much emotion pouring from her voice. Anyone else have an opinion? Rick Oh I agree 100%. Perhaps I'm biased because MOA was the first joni album I owned/listened to. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Blue is also exceptional from MOA though quite lovely in it's orginal form. I didn't actually acquire Blue (the album) til many years later. I went from MOA straight to Hejira and then back to HOSL. Twas a looooooong time ago. I can understand completely why joni's jokey waitress crack on Richard would nark the hell out of some people. Thing is, when you listen to and absorb the original, any 'liberties' taken in subsequent iterations can rankle like the devil. Though I love Richard from MOA (because I learned and loved it first), when I've heard live takes of songs from hejira for instance, deviations from the original can cause the left eyebrow to raise and my ever-present scowl to deepen!!! :-) You can say what you like about the musical arrangements and band presence on the MOA recordings, I know there are opinions across the spectrum on that subject, but I think Joni's singing on this album is very intimate. Warm and informed. Especially when it's just her and the guitar/dulc. and maybe a little restrained band accompaniment. Yes, I really like MOA and all it's babies. Les (London) Jonifest is coming and at current dollar /sterling exchange rates it's a bargain!!!!! Go! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:00:15 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Agree! Agree!! I love The MOA versions of Cactus Tree and TLITISR. And to the waitresses voice.. Joni does the same thing on T'Log (though this time the waitress is more like a worn maid from a posh tea-house, than that chewing-gum waitress from 'Alice' - anyone remember that?) I personally LOVE the fact that she will play many parts in the piece, it gives it colour and takes the rise out of herself for being so serious. 'People miss the humour' as Joni once said (I believe) so live, I guess she states the humour. It's there, people just have to dry their eyes... On 08/12/06, Ross, Les wrote: > From: BlueForTheRoses@aol.com > Subject: Cactus Tree > > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? Also for "Last Time I Saw Richard?" > I think both of these are better on that live album, than on their original > > studio releases. I think for me, it has something to do with the way she > sang them live....so much emotion pouring from her voice. Anyone else have > an > opinion? Rick > > > > Oh I agree 100%. Perhaps I'm biased because MOA was the first joni album I > owned/listened to. > > In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Blue is also exceptional from MOA > though quite lovely in it's orginal form. I didn't actually acquire Blue > (the album) til many years later. I went from MOA straight to Hejira and > then back to HOSL. Twas a looooooong time ago. > > I can understand completely why joni's jokey waitress crack on Richard would > nark the hell out of some people. Thing is, when you listen to and absorb > the original, any 'liberties' taken in subsequent iterations can rankle like > the devil. Though I love Richard from MOA (because I learned and loved it > first), when I've heard live takes of songs from hejira for instance, > deviations from the original can cause the left eyebrow to raise and my > ever-present scowl to deepen!!! :-) > > You can say what you like about the musical arrangements and band presence > on the MOA recordings, I know there are opinions across the spectrum on that > subject, but I think Joni's singing on this album is very intimate. Warm and > informed. Especially when it's just her and the guitar/dulc. and maybe a > little restrained band accompaniment. > > Yes, I really like MOA and all it's babies. > > Les (London) > Jonifest is coming and at current dollar /sterling exchange rates it's a > bargain!!!!! Go! > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 http://www.jamiezubairi.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:37:07 +0000 From: missblux@googlemail.com Subject: Joni Covers Crazy Pops Just noticed that it sounds like the woman singing Both Sides Now for CrazyPop sings "The Disney dancing way that you feel". Maybe it's just because her diction is not very good... But the words seem to fit with her take on the song. Bene ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 10:44:25 -0500 From: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Fwd: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" This is definitely list-worthy. - ----- Forwarded message from swharper@hotmail.com ----- Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:22:51 -0500 From: Steve Harper Reply-To: Steve Harper Subject: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" To: scjoniguy@yahoo.com Hey, Bob! Steve (who you may remember associated as "Steve and Ken of Atlanta") here. I was commuting in to work this morning, listening to the Anita Baker Christmas CD, and thinking about how Joni's "River" (not on Anita's album) has become something of a Christmas standard, and wondering WHEN that started, with whose cover? Naturally, I thought of you, Bob: Mr. Covers, the King of Covers, keeper of the compendium of the cornucopia of Joni covers in the known universe. What do you think? WAS it Robert Downey Jr.'s cover on that Ally McBeal episode (and the CD) that started it? Now, I'm trying to think of all the "River" covers on Christmas albums: James Taylor, Sarah McLachlan, Barry Manilow, I KNOW there are more. Anyway, hope you and yours are well, and ready for Christmas, Bob! Steve in Atlanta - ------------------------- Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora[1] Links: - ------ [1] http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2755??PS=47575 - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 01:52:41 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: Cactus Tree HI Gang, Since it came up AND since we are, again, addressing the subject of "Who did Joni write that for?" AND, at the same time considering the newcomers it might be well to revisit some things I shared about CT way back in '99 or thereabouts. Well, just who did Joni write CT for? *Oh no, here he goes again* Well, I'm sorry, it's true! "Back in the Cellar days" ('66-'67) one night Joni came out from the back and stood next to me back in the shadows near the kitchen and, after a minute or two she said "See that guy over there? He just followed me from my gig in Toronto and before that he followed me from Philly! There are a bunch of them. There's another one over there... and one there too. There are others too. These... guys, they follow me all over the country and they write me poems and letters and want to date me and marry me and tell me their life stories. It makes me wonder, don't they have jobs? It's like they just left their lives and followed me like a bunch of puppies." ...or something to that effect. It was true! See, we had a pretty much regular gang (as you can see in the crowd shot on my Joni page, linked below. That was posed by all of us who were working on refurbishing and painting and such, getting ready to open... so we always had a pretty full house so,) as the weekends rolled by, I could pretty much tell the ones who were new in the crowd. There were always these guys and they always wanted to talk to Joni... kinda like groupies in reverse. I'm pretty sure that was where the idea for CT came from. Cheers, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:32:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni v Carole Blue. Next question? Glad to see you back, Paul - as well as everyone else who has been chiming in. Wouldn't ya know it, the one day I go out of town on biz is the one day when everyone posts. Bob NP: Alicia Keys, "Noboby Not Really (Interlude)" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" Speculation, well who's to know? Downey's cover certainly wasn't the first one that appeared on a Christmas album, although the fact that it was featured on a majorly popular TV show at the time gave it LOTS of exposure as a melancholy Christmas tune and gave it a much higher profile. Plus, it received additional exposure on holiday commercials. No matter what you think, this recording is very significant. Look at my databas and just see for yourself how many River covers have come out since that one and you'll see all the evidence you need. I'll say it was a small Christmas snowball rolling down the hill, and it compacted a whole lot more snow on it. Now it is a VERY HUGE snowball and I'm actually surprised when I find Christmas CD's that DON'T feature it as opposed to when it is there. Helps Joni to have a holly jolly Christmas, I'm sure. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Line Of Best Fit" _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 11:58:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" > I'll say it was > a small Christmas snowball rolling down the hill, and it compacted a whole lot > more snow on it. Now it is a VERY HUGE snowball and I'm actually surprised > when I find Christmas CD's that DON'T feature it as opposed to when it is > there. I was really surprised that Bette Midler didn't cover it on her new Christmas CD. She would do a knock out job on it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 12:17:20 -0500 From: "Steve Harper" Subject: Re: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" Good thoughts, Bob! Thanks! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob Muller To: Steve Harper , JMDL CC: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: Musing about "River" as a "Christmas tune" Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 08:44:21 -0800 (PST) Speculation, well who's to know? Downey's cover certainly wasn't the first one that appeared on a Christmas album, although the fact that it was featured on a majorly popular TV show at the time gave it LOTS of exposure as a melancholy Christmas tune and gave it a much higher profile. Plus, it received additional exposure on holiday commercials. No matter what you think, this recording is very significant. Look at my databas and just see for yourself how many River covers have come out since that one and you'll see all the evidence you need. I'll say it was a small Christmas snowball rolling down the hill, and it compacted a whole lot more snow on it. Now it is a VERY HUGE snowball and I'm actually surprised when I find Christmas CD's that DON'T feature it as opposed to when it is there. Helps Joni to have a holly jolly Christmas, I'm sure. Bob NP: Death Cab For Cutie, "Line Of Best Fit" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Share your latest news with your friends with the Windows Live Spaces friends module. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:55:53 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Rick asked: > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? > Hi Rick, Yes, that version sticks with me more. I also hear Rainy Night House that way on Miles of Aisles... something about it moves me more. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 14:28:46 -0500 From: merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Ditto with For Free! That version on MOA blows me away. Jack - -----Original Message----- From: LCStanley7@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org; BlueForTheRoses@aol.com Sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Cactus Tree Rick asked: > On a note for once completely about Joni....Is there anyone else here who > thinks Joni's version of "Cactus Tree" from "Misles Of Aisles" is actually > better than the studio version? > Hi Rick, Yes, that version sticks with me more. I also hear Rainy Night House that way on Miles of Aisles... something about it moves me more. Love, Laura ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:41:26 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Joni Catalog From: "Les Irvin" > For those not fortunate enough to have list angels who purchase art books > at > openings, the entire Green Flag Song exhibit has been put on-line: > http://jonimitchell.com/painter > > Once there, choose to "browse the Green Flag Song collection" at the > bottom > of the page. > > I'd be interested in opinions on this set. ...well...there sure are *lots* of them... ...number 45 is unmistakably the Decider in Chief. Thanks for posting these, Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 12:22:12 -0800 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Cactus Tree - ----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Henry" "Back in the Cellar days" ('66-'67) one night Joni > came out from the back and stood next to me back in the shadows near the > kitchen and, after a minute or two she said "See that guy over there? He > just followed me from my gig in Toronto and before that he followed me > from Philly! There are a bunch of them. There's another one over > there... and one there too. There are others too. These... guys, they > follow me all over the country and they write me poems and letters and > want to date me and marry me and tell me their life stories. It makes me > wonder, don't they have jobs? It's like they just left their lives and > followed me like a bunch of puppies." ...or something to that effect. I'm pretty sure that was where the idea for CT > came from. Thanks for the snapshot, Pat. It must have been weird for her.... It's not hard to imagine guys falling in love with the Joan...I think it's happened to a few on this list : ) It also happened to David Crosby, noted sailor and Californian: Theres a man whos been out sailing In a decade full of dreams And he takes her to a schooner And he treats her like a queen [Guinnevere] Bearing beads from California [buds from CA?] With their amber stones and green [colors of same] He has called her from the harbor ["down the slope to the He has kissed her with his freedom harbor where I lay..."] He has heard her off to starboard In the breaking and the breathing Of the water weeds While she was busy being free RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:15:26 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni v Carole vs. Miles of Aisles Blue, definitely. (and Blue is not my favorite Joni album, #1 for me is a tie between For the Roses and Hejira) Tapestry doesn't age well. I've felt no compulsion to replace my big 12 inch black vinyl CD with one of the little bitty ones. Until DED was released, MOA was my least favorite Joni disc. Now I rank it above BSN, TLOG, and anything released on the Geffen label with the exception of Night Ride Home. The LA Express was too, too pop for my taste. Compared to the all-star band of the S&L tour, they're embarrassing to listen to--excepting their brilliant performances on HOSL. There are nice performances by the band out there unofficially, but Miles of Aisles sounds canned to me. And why did you all remind me of reggae "Carey"? It's slithering through my head like some vile earworm! Richard, you say Richard, you don't have any strong opinions, do you? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Bob Muller Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 11:32 AM To: Paul Headon; JMDL Subject: Re: Joni v Carole Blue. Next question? Glad to see you back, Paul - as well as everyone else who has been chiming in. Wouldn't ya know it, the one day I go out of town on biz is the one day when everyone posts. Bob NP: Alicia Keys, "Noboby Not Really (Interlude)" ____________________________________________________________________________ _ _______ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2006 23:30:58 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: quick, odd Joni mention Tonight we went to see banjo player Tony Trischka and friends doing a holiday show. Very cool show, with shape note singing and a Woody Guthrie Hanukkah song and a Jewish version of "Sleigh Ride" and a cover of the The Pretender's 2000 Miles. Introducing that last one, Tony said ironically that Chrissie Hynde was a renowned bluegrass musician, and then, apropos of nothing, said "Chrissie is a huge Joni Mitchell fan." Absolutely true, but again, apropos of nothing. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #352 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)