From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #342 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 29 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 342 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Blue, sjc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Kenny Werner's tribute to Joni [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Urge for Going [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: New Blue, sjc [Danilo Monno ] RE: New Blue, sjc [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: New Blue, sjc [Danilo Monno ] Re: Urge for Going [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: New Blue, sjc [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Urge for Going [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Soldiers (vljc) ["anne@sandstrom.com" ] must qualify [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: Urge for Going [Ingrid Lochrenberg ] Re: New Blue, sjc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: New Blue, sjc [Michael Flaherty ] Re: New Blue, sjc [Catherine McKay ] Re: New Blue, sjc [Victor Johnson ] Re: Urge for Going ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Soldiers (vljc) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:24:17 -0500 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: New Blue, sjc There's nothing wrong with it at all, Danilo - matter of fact, an "Original Blue" cd has been circulating on the JMDL for years with these 2 songs that were included prematurely. The only thing that's "wrong" is believing that this configuration of Blue is what Joni 'intended' as opposed to the version we know. It's just a false statement, just as false as saying that UFG wasn't released as a single or that UFG is on Misses. There shouldn't be anything out of order about correcting a false statement. When (not if) I say something that's not right, I appreciate someone pointing me in the correct direction Bob NP: Tom Waits, "World Keeps Turning" (finally got my Orphans yesterday!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Down There By The Train" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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The two songs deleted were "The Urge For Going", which appeared in 1972 as the B-side to "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio", and "Hunter (The Good Samaritan)", which has yet to appear on any record. " This means, TO ME, that in a very first moment those songs were about to appear on "Blue" until Joni changed her mind.HugsDaniloTo: vaniglio@hotmail.comCC: joni@smoe.orgSubject: Re: New Blue, sjcFrom: Bob.Muller@Fluor.comDate: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:24:17 -0500 There's nothing wrong with it at all, Danilo - - matter of fact, an "Original Blue" cd has been circulating on the JMDL for years with these 2 songs that were included prematurely. The only thing that's "wrong" is believing that this configuration of Blue is what Joni 'intended' as opposed to the version we know. It's just a false statement, just as false as saying that UFG wasn't released as a single or that UFG is on Misses. There shouldn't be anything out of order about correcting a false statement. When (not if) I say something that's not right, I appreciate someone pointing me in the correct direction Bob NP: Tom Waits, "World Keeps Turning" (finally got my Orphans yesterday!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Dog Door" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Whatever we believe about Joni, she is not wishy-washy about her recordings and we can rest assured that what hits the market is what she approves. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Dog Door" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Down There By The Train" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I don't have the full box but Kakki shared a couple of tracks with me, the studio recording of UFG and an alternate take of Woodstock (that was very similar to what got released) as well as a beautiful version of Stills singing "Blackbird". If you're a CSN fan this would be a must-have collection, and it's been out long enough now that it's available for half the original price. Bob NP: Thelonius Monk, "Functional" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Even if she didn't agree with the politics, she gave the soldiers her music. I think that's a good example of "support the troops" - even if you don't agree with the administration's policies. I vehemently oppose the war in Iraq and have (in word and deed) since before it began. But I have also volunteeered to be the moderator so that soldiers stationed there and their loved ones could communicate via real-time video/audio around Valentine's Day. I see no contradiction in that. I hope for an end to this war, but I'm afraid the darkest days are still ahead. lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: must qualify that this applies to the causasian population as a whole, and the female black people, who, historically, always been lesbian- their ultimate pleasure in life, up to now and still now, is to have children, with the occasional very solitary exception I suupose- since I've never come accross one. Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:42:43 -0800 (PST) From: Ingrid Lochrenberg Subject: Re: Urge for Going you are either a wolf or a bear, it is entirely up to you. - ----- Original Message ---- From: "Bob.Muller@Fluor.com" To: J Kendel Johnson Cc: joni@smoe.org Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 11:55:27 AM Subject: Re: Urge for Going Sure - it comes from the CSN box set that came out a couple of years ago. I don't have the full box but Kakki shared a couple of tracks with me, the studio recording of UFG and an alternate take of Woodstock (that was very similar to what got released) as well as a beautiful version of Stills singing "Blackbird". If you're a CSN fan this would be a must-have collection, and it's been out long enough now that it's available for half the original price. Bob NP: Thelonius Monk, "Functional" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------------------------ The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:33:49 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: New Blue, sjc I'm very confused. Everybody seems very excited at the prospect of the new expanded versions of a couple of albums to be released next year but when I expand my copy of Blue with songs that are more than appropriate for that album, some people get upset and tell me that I'm wrong. I don't get it. Joni's final decision for the tracks on Blue are obvious but, Hunter and Urge For Going were originally going to be on that album so, I don't see how it could be inappropriate to put them back. I see it as restoring the album or filling it out. Which other album would be more appropriate than Blue? I have always been a fan of the expanded album. I have many expanded versions of albums that I have collected over the years and just started doing it myself. I love Joni's albums as they are and I will never forget their original releases but I don't like having these bits and pieces lying around on their own. I want the full experience, how the album might have sounded if it weren't for the record company's restrictions. I probably agree with Joni's choice to dump those songs in favour of AIW and TLTISR. They are superior songs (then again, no Joni song is inferior to me) but who's to say that, if given the choice, Joni might have kept them all? It's supposed to be fun. I am a frustrated music producer and I am just playing because I can. I'm fulfilling a fantasy. I'm sure Joni's music conjures some sort of fantasy in each and every one of your heads. I only mentioned this hobby here in case anyone gets inspired by it and would like a copy of my CD cover. I never meant to cause any controversy or ill feelings. I only want to share what I do with like minded people. If people have a problem with what I do, I will keep it to myself. I have really felt that I have been under attack lately. I would never presume to tell anybody here what they can and can't do. The closest I would get is to suggest what I might do differently. I'm going through a tough time right now and feeling particularly friendless and vulnerable so I may be taking all this a bit too seriously but I certainly don't mean to upset anyone else. I get pleasure in knowing that I can contribute to this list and JMDL.com even though I don't have a lot to share. I don't even know if the artwork that I have uploaded is of any use to anyone or if I'm just wasting my time and bandwidth. My apologies if I have upset anyone. Mark in Sydney NP The Times of Harvey Milk - Mark Isham On 29/11/2006, at 6:13 AM, Michael Flaherty wrote: > >But word came down > before many reels were produced that Joni had decided to recall the > master tape and substitute two new songs > > I think there's more of a misunderstanding than an argument here. No > one's arguing against anyone listening to anything, nor that two other > songs were almost on the album. > > The bottom line: the above states the fact very simply: "Joni > decided", and therefore, Joni's intention. > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:03:40 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: New Blue, sjc >My apologies if I have upset anyone. You haven't upset anyone (or at least anyone who has posted). I'm 100% certain of that. Actually, beyond the unintentionally hurt feelings, I've found this conversation interesting BECAUSE of the differences--what I find interesting is the choices we make. I prefer to stick to the originals and have extra tracks kept seperate (I'm hoping the new material on the new issues will all be on disc 2), while you and others prefer them mixed in. We all want to hear all of the available music, but HOW we listen to it is important to us. Casual music fans would find us all insane, I'm sure! :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 23:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Blue, sjc - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I'm very confused. Everybody seems very excited at > the prospect of the > new expanded versions of a couple of albums to be > released next year > but when I expand my copy of Blue with songs that > are more than > appropriate for that album, some people get upset > and tell me that I'm > wrong. I don't get it. > I think it's fun. I also doubt that whatever Joni may have decided then was necessarily carved in stone. That was a decision she made at the time, maybe for a variety of reasons, one of which may have been time or track limitations on an LP. Often when an album is remastered, extra tracks are included. These could be tracks that didn't make it the first time around (for whatever reason) or demo versions. If "Blue" were to be remastered or re-whatevered, you never know - it could have additional tracks, including both "Urge" and "Hunter". "The Hissing" demos are great - quite different from the finished product and with songs that didn't make it to the finished product but landed elsewhere. It Joni decided to release these officially, I'd buy the album, even though I've already got the boot version. Joni even re-ordered her own songs when she brought out "Prairie Girl" and so on. It's great to have the original versions of albums, and maybe some of us remember it as a classic of our youth, but there's nothing really wrong with painting another starry night - it will never be exactly like the first one. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:00:39 -0500 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: New Blue, sjc > Casual music fans would > find us all insane, I'm sure! :) > > Michael Flaherty I'll second you on that (we can make it a jonilist rule like the man rules w/ Burt Reynolds and co.) Anyhow, at my university (Georgia State) the music school is separate from the rest of the campus and we're all pretty much together all the time, apart from the rest of the school and it is totally a different world. When I go to the main campus with the big general classroom building with all the business, psychology, history, polysci, etc...classes I don't have the same feeling I do at the music school where I know everybody understands me and knows what its like to be a musician. It's totally a way of life and not just a bunch of classes. I find this list is very much the same in the way that everybody is crazy about music. Then there's my friend Ray and I who are constantly quoting the Simpsons(among other jokes) and laughing seemingly nonstop though the average person probably doesn't find them nearly as funny as we do. Music and laughter are two things I certainly can't live without. Victor WP: Tom Waits- Bawlers again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:04:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Urge for Going >UFG is one of my favorite Joni songs and I always covet a cover of it. Some of my favorites...Crosby/Nash, Erinn Brown, Seanachie (who put a great celtic/bagpipe on it). There are a couple I don't have yet but hopefully will get someday.> I probably have a few excellent ones from my joni tributes... someday I'll unearth them... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:18:05 -0800 From: Subject: Re: Soldiers (vljc) Hi Anne, you wrote: "Russ served in 'Nam and returned home to an indifferent (at best) country. He didn't go by choice - he was drafted. I know it still hurts to be made to feel like he should be ashamed of what he did. He's not. But he is ashamed of how some U.S. soldiers treated the Vietnamese, just as he is of the treatment of Iraqis." I had a number of friends, family, family friends and a few ex-boyfriends who went to Vietnam. Some were drafted, some enlisted (so as to have some modicum of choice in the matter) and some just had the motivation to want to serve their country. I know bad things happened then and now but it is not indicative of the majority who served, What upsets me is that I was in college toward the end of Vietnam and several vets had completed their service and were attending college just like me. They were looked at as freaks, I am sad to say, and very much ostracized. I was young and naive then and knew next to nothing but still my heart would break at how they were regarded. One particular friend who is like my brother was exposed to Agent Orange and has survived two kinds of cancer and has a bad heart. After 30 years of being ignored (all those who were exposed) the government finally recognized their true disabilities and they are being helped. I don't know what happened to some I knew. I remember going on a business trip to D.C. awhile back and making a point to visit the wall. I was just overcome there, crying. "I think back to Joni performing for soldiers at Fort Bragg. Even if she didn't agree with the politics, she gave the soldiers her music. I think that's a good example of "support the troops" - even if you don't agree with the administration's policies." I have always respected and admired Joni so much for her actions there. She was a Canadian, she could have not cared or maybe wanted to be "popular" but no, she put herself out for those soliders. "I vehemently oppose the war in Iraq and have (in word and deed) since before it began. But I have also volunteeered to be the moderator so that soldiers stationed there and their loved ones could communicate via real-time video/audio around Valentine's Day. I see no contradiction in that." There is no contradiction, Anne. Thank you for standing up for them. "I hope for an end to this war, but I'm afraid the darkest days are still ahead." I hope for an end soon and I pray that darkness will not prevail. Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #342 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)