From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #316 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 6 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 316 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Out of the closet [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Out of the closet [Catherine McKay ] Re: Out of the closet ["Michael O'Malley" ] Re: the cover I found [Bob Muller ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #315 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Whatever Happened To Peace On Earth-Willie Nelson ["Gerald A. Notaro"] Re: Out of the closet [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio ["Rose, John R." ] Re: Marcie [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Marcie [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Marcie [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Marcie [LCStanley7@aol.com] More intro and on Job's Sad Song ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Re: Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio [Smurf ] Re: Marcie [LCStanley7@aol.com] Fw: lesbian word ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Re: lesbian word [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Marcie [Catherine McKay ] (Africa) ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Saturday night in San Diego [] Fw: lesbian word ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Fw: lesbian word ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] Marcie ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] lost ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] for clarity's sake... ["ingrid lochrenberg" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:35:45 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Out of the closet Bon jour, Evelyne on behalf of all the Joni fans in Australia (l'Australie). I enjoyed your stories of your Joni experiences. Keep them coming. Your thoughts on Joni and her work are welcome. I administer the wallpaper section of jonimitchell.com so, please drop by sometime and pick up a free Joni wallpaper. If you're graphically inclined, why not try your hand at designing a Joni themed wallpaper to share with the world? You'll find it under "The Banquet" section. Bon journee. Mark in Sydney NP My Secret Bliss (The Secret Remix) - AfroCelts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:28:39 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Out of the closet - --- Evelyne Dubois wrote: > Bonjour everyone, > > > My name is Evelyne, I live in Montreal. I'm not a > musician but a "milomane" > that loves to sing (specially weird cords :-). My > mother tong is french so > please forgive my poor written english in advance... > Bonjour et bienvenue, Evelyne. My family is originally from Montreal and I was born there, although we moved to Ontario when I was only two years old, so I don't remember it well, although I do visit from time to time. I think you have come to the right place! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 16:35:10 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Out of the closet Salut Evelyne, Je suis ravi de voir une canadienne apparaitre sur cette liste, et encore une francophone! Joni does not seem to be widely known in French Canada - I assume because she never recorded in French (a pity) and perhaps because the wordiness of her music may be lost on those who arren't fluent with anglo culture. There was so much going on in Quebec in the 70's, and Joni had lots of competion from our stellar local music scene - Harmonium, Beau Dommage, Diane Dufresne, Robert Charlebois, etc., etc. Anyway, to your question, Job's Sad Song, what are your thoughts ? It is one of the longest and most striking pieces of music in Joni's oeuvre, n'est pas ? So beautiful, with its antagonistic chorus of layered vocals, subtle underlying percussion and rythmic guitar driving the song forward. I don't know specifically what happened in Joni's life for her to create this lament. Perhaps others on this list have some insights. It does sound as if she went through a very dark period in the early 90's, a depression of some sort, where she felt befallen by an accumulation of different misfortunes. Of course, things have since turned around for her - Grammy Award for Turbulent Indigo, Polar Music Prize, and the list of honours has grown exponentially since this time. The song mirrors the central idea expressed in the Book of Job : "Is misfortune always a divine punishment for something?". From Wikipedia... `` An important theme in the book is God's, and the world's, knowability. When bad things happen, it is impossible to set an explanation for them. Job's three friends had assumed that if Job was getting punished, that meant that he was guilty of wrong-doing. They assumed this, because they have been taught that all people who get punished are guilty of certain sins. However, God acknowledges that Job did not sin and still suffered. It is impossible to understand why bad things happen, and it is wrong when people make believe that they know why certain bad things happen.`` For more info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Job ou bien http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Livre_de_Job Au plaisir, Michael in Quebec NP: Sunny Sunday Evelyne wrote: Bonjour everyone, I've never yet introduced myself properly to you, true Joni lovers, though I've been reading your words and been soughting out your company on my computer. I don't know you "really" however feel attached (strange...), to many of you. Lately, I've been listening to Jonis album trying to find (other than the obvious) Joni laughing out loud and I must say that in many many songs, though you cannot hear her laughing out loud, you sure can feel her smiling way out. Also the beautiful story about being the prophet of your own tales, inspired by Marcie... I love those type of threads... it connects me to such a wider inner world! My name is Evelyne, I live in Montreal. I'm not a musician but a "milomane" that loves to sing (specially weird cords :-). My mother tong is french so please forgive my poor written english in advance... I've been listening to Joni for many years now, ever since I was 17 years old (I'm 38 now...), when a friend made me listen to Court and Spark. Thank you Frangois. I haven't had any contact with this man afterwards but don't think he went much further than CAS. Still, I loved the album (specially people's party) and got curious. My second album was Blue, then STOS, Clouds, Hejira (big big coup de foudre there), DJRD (Idem), HOSL, LOTC, and few month later, the rest of her published albums and from then on, ever searching and buying all of her works. Had to convert them to CD's and now, what knows what! She's with me always, she touched my soul. I have to say I never really inquired about personal specifics of her life. I was with her visions, images, feelings... and they were interacting with mine. Wow! I felt so connected! But this I guess you understand. About two years ago, I met (through a good friend, in total Joni darkness) another Joni lover. She knew Joni's words, even better than I. It was so weird to me, kind of a shock... I felt a little naked. Anyways, I realized I was kind of in the closet with Joni. Very strange since Joni is such a immense musician, poet, person! And then I found you .... Today I was listening to Turbulent Indigo (replay mode.... I do that sometimes... often actually). Though I love all the peaces on there, Job's Sad Song is special to me. I'd like to know what you think that song say for her... maybe beside the fact of getting older and weaker physically, the nauseating music bizz at times, failing marriage (?)... Or again, what does it say to you? Evelyne. _________________________________________________________________ Say hello to the next generation of Search. Live Search  try it now. http://www.live.com/?mkt=en-ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 08:53:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: the cover I found Hi Oddmund, The file will be so small that you should be able to send it to me directly. Any type of music file (wma, mp3, mp4 etc) should work. Thanks again and I'm excited to hear it as the foreign language covers are among my favorites. Had a great day yesterday and spent lots of fun fun time hanging out with Kakki who informed me that Joni has a couple of these compilations and really has fun with them and thinks they're a hoot. Hearing that made my day. I agree that I was bit tough on Aimee - I actually have a cd of hers I like and her duets with Penn are excellent. I was just trying to draw out a response, so thanks for the response. Bob NP: Shawn Colvin ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:55:12 EST From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #315 I know Joni is a swimmer - but does anyone know if she ever was a runner? I know with the smoking and all - probably not. But maybe - a decade ago I did two marathons as a smoker - and just this past weekend finished the Marine Corp Marathon as a nonsmoker. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Whatever Happened To Peace On Earth-Willie Nelson BWORKMAN@woh.rr.com wrote: The female vocalist is Michael > McDonald's wife. A HUGE Joni fan. Jerry NP:My Chemical Romance - Welcome to the Black Parade ( a GREAT cd) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 12:13:04 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of the closet Evelyne wrote: Job's Sad Song is special to me. I'd like to know what you think that song say for her... maybe beside the fact of getting older and weaker physically, the nauseating music bizz at times, failing marriage (?)... Or again, what does it say to you? Salut Evelyne! Welcome to the list! Cool that you are from Montreal. I have been there a few times and will most likely be visiting again in time. I have a friend who has an apartment there. She was born in Montreal, grew up in Quebec City, and now lives in Alabama but goes "home" to Montreal frequently. I met her in Arkansas which is where I live now although I was born in Stephenville, Newfoundland. Coincidentally, I too have been listening to Turbulent Indigo of late. I love Job's Sad Song, and I enjoy your interpretation. The song is a prayer similar to Job's in the Bible obviously from the title and all the why's and the what's and the pleas of "Show your face!" and "Help me understand." It is a place I think is typical of being human. Joni is so human and conveys that so well. Turbulent Indigo fascinates me. I'm not as familiar with it as I am with her other albums. A few days ago the music and essence of the song Yvette really captured me. I was thinking how "new" the album is to me even though I've owned it for several years. Thanks for posting. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:51:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Rose, John R." Subject: Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio I'll be celebrating Joni's 63rd(11-7-43) by playing lots of her music on Monday's "Hidden Treasures" show. The show is broadcast tomorrow(and every Monday) from 12-4 PM CST at http://uicradio.ws/ . For requests, you can email me at rose60612@yahoo.com or call 312-413-2191 during the show. I hope you can join me! John Rose ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:27:43 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Out of the closet Evelyne! What a wonderful introductory post! I look forward to reading more from you! Lori, whose favorite Joni album remains "Hejira," although I love them all ... Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:00:29 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie Laura, in response to Em and Bob Muller, replied: "Bob wrote: I'm with ya, Em - it's killer sad. With lines like: "Dust her tables with his shirt and Wave another day goodbye" So much lonely and desolate imagery, rain and cold and grays. LOLLLLL whoa, and I just said maybe seeing it as a sad song is typical of people who aren't that into Joni. Sorry guys!" Now me I think you are all right - there may be more than one view to this scene. There are other lines that more than hint of sadness, including: "Still no letter at her door ........... Stops a postman passing by ........ Still no letter's been delivered Still the winter days unfold" "Marcie's sorrow needs a man" However, my daughter Leah once commented that, to her, the saddest lines of all were "Someone thought they saw her Sunday Window shopping in the rain" The image of window shopping, alone, in the rain with the stores closed on Sunday (they were close back then) probably touched a very personal chord with Leah. Not just the lonely act itself, but that someone saw you, and took notice of the loneliness, but not enough to act on it. A bit like the scene in For Free. But perhaps it is really more about melancholy than sadness, and there is some comfort in it for Marcie, too. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:10:05 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie Oops - I see that Susan had already posited a similar view to my recent post. Bobsart - catching up in sequence (perhaps I should "hold my comments until the end") Susan wrote: "Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was the one left behind in his urge for going - and you know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring him back to her? The end is for us to finish depending on our mood or our life or the season .... Peace, Susan" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 13:38:27 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Marcie Bobsart wrote: "my daughter Leah once commented that, to her, the saddest lines of all were "Someone thought they saw her Sunday Window shopping in the rain" The image of window shopping, alone, in the rain with the stores closed on Sunday (they were close back then) probably touched a very personal chord with Leah. Not just the lonely act itself, but that someone saw you, and took notice of the loneliness, but not enough to act on it. A bit like the scene in For Free. But perhaps it is really more about melancholy than sadness, and there is some comfort in it for Marcie, too." Maybe it's about being poor in the city, a young woman staring at the goods in the shops on Sunday when there's no one there to see (and then tell her parents and friends) that she can't afford to buy a thing. Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your email and see which of your friends are online - Right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 16:54:57 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie In a message dated 11/5/2006 2:00:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, Bobsart48 writes: However, my daughter Leah once commented that, to her, the saddest lines of all were "Someone thought they saw her Sunday Window shopping in the rain" Hi Bob, I have thought about this line a lot even before you mentioned it. To me it is hopeful not landed in sadness. The store may be closed on Sunday, but she can still look in and plan for Monday. The rain didn't stop her from looking at things that encourage and make her happy. The song would have been landed in sadness if she had stayed home,with her curtains shut, and didn't brave nor enjoy the rain. Instead she got out and did something fun and a little bit crazy perhaps. God gives us gifts in things we can relate to emotionally... like rain. Joni captured it beautifully! I love the rain. And, I love walking in the rain without an umbrella despite what the neighbors might think. I'd do it naked in the summer if I could. Wink. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 18:18:32 -0500 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: More intro and on Job's Sad Song Thank you for your friendly, welcoming wave Born in 1968, my teens coincided with the 80's. The adolescent period is where we usually prepare for the big world, fish for inspiring models or search for other human paths/thoughts that might resonate with our own intuitive inclinations, conscious or unconscious :-) I remember feeling a bit out of place within the hole pop atmosphere of the 80's. While my girlfriends where living the night life and cruising around and listening to Madonna, Depeche Mode and The Cure, I was instead enjoying Led Zeplin, Weather Report, Lyle Mays (the rainmaker), Micheal Hedges (devil wearing wings), Harmonium (happy Catherine mentionned Nle d'Entrie... absolutly along with Fiori-Siguin and Les Siguins too!) and dear dear Joni, wild camping with my boyfriend, reading vulgarised astronomy in magazines, Filix Leclerc, shivering in tears reading Herman Hesse's Narcisse and Goldmund (explore the perfection of our imperfections), and somewhat reassured reading Gibran. Joni's words and music pushed me into adulthood but at the same time closer to my child's instincs, back to the garden "love sees like a child sees". When I listen to her, I constantly hear this longing for deeper meaning, enlightment and freedom (peace) and searching for them through what she's been gifted with: love (some could argue but not me :-)) and music. Somehow, the link between Joni and religion (spirituality) seems so natural to me. I can see her experiencing a very earthy and pedestrian (hope this is the right word) life but at the same time she's way up there flying high above, like the crow, in search of an always larger frame that could integrate all of her, unconditionally. I would suppose, in non literary terms, that that's why she rejects any kind of dogmatism, whether in the scientific or non scientific realm, in which unfortunately fits most dimensions of organized religion. In my view, there lies the danger of what she could term as "breathetaking ignorance"... The more you impose your answers, the further away you get from the truth. Still, having been so obviously "in touch with the miraculous" at times, and aren't we are all witnesses, one can still be prone to self doubt and self pity: "why give me light and than this dark without a dawn", "...my loves are dead or dying... or they don't come near", outrage and disgust by human stupidity and decadence: "Why do you starve the faithful? Why do you crucify the saints? And you let the wicked prosper..." "where is hope"... Overall though, I don't necessarely feel a rejection of "god" here, but maybe more an outcry regarding human suffering (individual or collective) and society's way of dealing with it: personalize it or again over-analyze it, which in turn often still leaves us sad, without any answers and ever looking for something to believe in ... Wow, I just realized it's a long post... put it on me doing more introduction and trying to play fair :-) It's nice to know some people are familiar with Quebec. I studied at the University of Montreal in Sociology but really... i'm a sociologist of the heart :-) Ciao for now, Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:50:56 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni Birthday Special Monday On Internet Radio - --- "Rose, John R." wrote: > I'll be celebrating Joni's 63rd(11-7-43) by playing > lots of her music on > Monday's "Hidden Treasures" show. Speaking of which, The Writer's Almanac reported (below) that today is Sam Shepard's 63rd birthday, which I think proves -- as originally suggested by Wally from Argentina -- that the line about coming out "two days on your tail" from "Don Juan's Restless Daughter" refers to Sam, which makes the song about him. Here's what The Writer's Almanac said today: <> Me again: I would think that if *I* had schtupped Joni in my lifetime and she had actually written a song about me, it would be mentioned in *my* bio. Oh, well . . . - --Smurf . ____________________________________________________________________________________ Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:08:15 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #315 She used to run in school as a kid... then the disease struck and her spine was weakened and kept her bedridden for a while... J On 05/11/06, StDoherty@aol.com wrote: > I know Joni is a swimmer - but does anyone know if she ever was a runner? I > know with the smoking and all - probably not. But maybe - a decade ago I > did two marathons as a smoker - and just this past weekend finished the Marine > Corp Marathon as a nonsmoker. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 00:47:02 +0000 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Marcie yes, a line that can be taken soooo many ways.... The fact that 'Someone thought', not 'Once I thought...' (which changes the meaning of that line slightly but you know what I mean) is quite sad, that Marcie has retreated from the company of her friends, that news of her is reported.... So perhaps it's a little sadder than hopefuller (hello, grammar!) But I like your take on walking in the rain, I too do like walking in the rain with no umbrella.... it's only water afterall... It'll only dry! I'm glad you said that... it's not just me that's crazy.... But I guess I'd have seen that line as sad as it's what the music is doing.... there's a change in the voice, like a piece of news, 'someone thought....' but the voice is always slightly mournful to me.... maybe it's the record that I heard it on first.... Jamie On 05/11/06, LCStanley7@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/5/2006 2:00:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, Bobsart48 > writes: > > However, my daughter Leah once commented that, to her, the saddest lines of > all were > > "Someone thought they saw her Sunday > Window shopping in the rain" > > > > > Hi Bob, > > I have thought about this line a lot even before you mentioned it. To > me it is hopeful not landed in sadness. The store may be closed on Sunday, > but she can still look in and plan for Monday. The rain didn't stop her from > looking at things that encourage and make her happy. > > The song would have been landed in sadness if she had stayed home,with > her curtains shut, and didn't brave nor enjoy the rain. Instead she got out > and did something fun and a little bit crazy perhaps. > > God gives us gifts in things we can relate to emotionally... like rain. > Joni captured it beautifully! > > I love the rain. And, I love walking in the rain without an umbrella > despite what the neighbors might think. I'd do it naked in the summer if I > could. Wink. > > Love, > Laura > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:36:19 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Marcie In a message dated 11/5/2006 6:47:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, jamiezubairi@gmail.com writes: But I guess I'd have seen that line as sad as it's what the music is doing.... there's a change in the voice, like a piece of news, 'someone thought....' but the voice is always slightly mournful to me.... Hi Jamie, The music.... wow, yeah, there are changes. It's like a walk down a long side walk and then back again, up and down the neck of the guitar with the same finger pattern from low to high and the same moving picking pattern, and then like she takes a short side trip during the walk changing the tone which wakes one up from the sensory adaptation to the familiar, at the "and summer goes, like magazines, and there's some really cool sustained parts. Yes, her voice is definitely like crying in some parts and then exuberant at others. She's not just stuck in what is happening but rebounds. The music is gentel, yet strong and defined which makes it a lot of fun to play it... and a challenge. There is duality in the song, emotional duality. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 04:27:21 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: Fw: lesbian word - ----- Original Message ----- From: ingrid lochrenberg To: joni@smoe.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: lesbian word Trying to figure out: which album is Marcie on? ...Also Turbulent Indigo? (website off-line). My best album, of Joni's (so far I know) is Court and Spark..I've always seen this, or heard this album, as romantic concerto, or symphony- the songs flowing into one another and being one inspiration.(Hissing of Summer Lawns also strangely attractive, though can't say that the words are in my mind).Can also not comment on Job's sad song right now. Most of Joni's songs are seemingly heterosexual, though I was a Free Man in Paris would make one think if the song Court and Spark'' wasn't so direct''- more so than any other song, around the topic of seeking out love. I wonder why, with all the musings around Joni's sadness and desolateness, people don't figure the fact-or of her daughter so much more into the question. Are people just ignoring the obviouss for trying to be considerate and tactful - qualities I also pursue, which I suppose I might be failing now? Love Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 19:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: lesbian word >Trying to figure out: which album is Marcie on? ...Also Turbulent Indigo? (website off-line). It's on her first album, Song to a Seagull (aka "Joni Mitchell"). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 23:17:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Marcie - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > But I like your take on walking in the rain, I too > do like walking in > the rain with no umbrella.... it's only water > afterall... I don't know 'bout where you live but, where I live, most of the time, when it rains, it's also very windy, which makes using an umbrella frustrating. They only blow inside out, so you're better off without one. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 06:45:43 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: (Africa) Marcie's sorrow needs a man i come from East London and live in Cape Town...both places the wind often blows when it rains, especially in East London, where the wind Ids gentle and strong and rain is warm and gentle and in Cape Town the rain is cold, and when the wind blows, one gets wet too! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ingrid lochrenberg" To: "Catherine McKay" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Marcie >I come from windy East london, and live in windy Cape Town, where it rains >in the winter, and blows mostly in the spring. In East London it rains all >year (especially in the spring). The wind is gentle and strong.On doens't >have a choice much , here in Cape Town, but too get wet. In East London the >rain is gentle and warm. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Catherine McKay" > To: "Jamie's Box of Paints" ; > Cc: ; ; ; > > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: Marcie > > >> --- Jamie's Box of Paints >> wrote: >> >>> But I like your take on walking in the rain, I too >>> do like walking in >>> the rain with no umbrella.... it's only water >>> afterall... >> >> I don't know 'bout where you live but, where I live, >> most of the time, when it rains, it's also very windy, >> which makes using an umbrella frustrating. They only >> blow inside out, so you're better off without one. >> >> >> Catherine >> Toronto >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 20:56:29 -0800 From: Subject: Saturday night in San Diego The show was outstanding. Dave, Robin and band took us through all phases of Joni from the folk to the jazz to Mingus and on through the 90s and Turbulent Indigo. An extremely talented group of musicians who just have it all. I can't recall all the names, but there was a young teenage boy in the group playing bass and looking and sounding a bit like Jaco -really charming. Amazing sax and drums and an incredible keyboard player, Barnaby Finch, who has toured with many of my favorites and is a friend of my friend blues guitarist Chuck Alvarez. Robin handled all Joni's lyric and vocal phases masterfully. I got literal chills from hearing her sing For The Roses and my faves were Chair in the Sky and Dry Cleaner from Des Moines. Dave - thank you for letting us know about the show and please keep up the good Joni work! Other great surprises were meeting up with self-described JMDL "lurker extraordinaire" Paul from NYC who is vacationing in Cal and lurker Sue from San Diego! And Sue is coming up for Joni's exhibit Friday! Bob and I had a wonderful time with Lindsay and Brian. We all went out for a couple or three martinis, whiskeys and beers after the show. Thank you so much, Lindsay, for inviting me down and Bob for visiting us, even though it was too short of a time. Next time make the stay longer! Kakki NP: Bobby Caldwell hosting on The Wave (sigh) - pretty end to a beautiful weekend. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:30:15 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: Fw: lesbian word - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ingrid lochrenberg" To: "Michael Flaherty" Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:48 AM Subject: Re: lesbian word >A beautiful songs - sung with sadness and feeling...I have it on record >(as, Hissing on summer Lawns). I could say intuitively what it's on, but >perhaops need to see it in print, fully, before I comment. >(comment...something about not being able to make a move on a woman!) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Flaherty" > To: "ingrid lochrenberg" ; > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 5:26 AM > Subject: Re: lesbian word > > >> >Trying to figure out: which album is Marcie on? ...Also Turbulent >> >Indigo? >> (website off-line). >> >> It's on her first album, Song to a Seagull (aka "Joni >> Mitchell"). >> >> Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:54:53 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: Fw: lesbian word - ----- Original Message ----- From: ingrid lochrenberg To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:27 AM Subject: Fw: lesbian word - ----- Original Message ----- From: ingrid lochrenberg To: joni@smoe.com Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 4:19 AM Subject: lesbian word Trying to figure out: which album is Marcie on? ...Also Turbulent Indigo? (website off-line). My best album, of Joni's (so far I know) is Court and Spark..I've always seen this, or heard this album, as romantic concerto, or symphony- the songs flowing into one another and being one inspiration.(Hissing of Summer Lawns also strangely attractive, though can't say that the words are in my mind).Can also not comment on Job's sad song right now. Most of Joni's songs are seemingly heterosexual, though I was a Free Man in Paris would make one think if the song Court and Spark'' wasn't so direct''- more so than any other song, around the topic of seeking out love. I wonder why, with all the musings around Joni's sadness and desolateness, people don't figure the fact-or of her daughter so much more into the question. Are people just ignoring the obviouss for trying to be considerate and tactful - qualities I also pursue, which I suppose I might be failing now? Love Ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 07:47:52 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: Marcie Finally getting the swing of how this whatever works....(will ask for help) I thought , about Marcie, that I think, intuitively, it has something to so with, perhaps, not being able to make a move on a woman...this is my own perspective. ingrid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:55:12 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: lost I'm completely lost as regards what i've written to whom, and who received what! Have had sent messages (replying to incoming mail) that I've tried forwarding to above address, rejected. i'll just start from scratch in a few hours time (when hopefully I've gathered my senses. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 08:35:27 +0200 From: "ingrid lochrenberg" Subject: for clarity's sake... I couldn't find the album Marcie is on...then it transpired it was on one of my two Joni Mitchell LP's, namely Song to a Seagull (other of mine is Hissing on Summer Lawns). So, now I could comment on "Marcie'' (after hearing from an unspecified recipient), saying what I thought of the lyrics, and the meaning behind it. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #316 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)