From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #307 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 307 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels [Deb Messling ] Joni Images [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels [Jerry Notaro ] Reading the news and it sure looks bad [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Marcie [Susan Guzzi ] Re: Marcie [Em ] Great big eeego [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Marcie [Catherine McKay ] my son the Joni jokester ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: joni currency, [Catherine McKay ] Re: Marcie ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Marcie [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: joni currency, ["Some Millers" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:24:16 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels OK, so she was wearing a pink dress for this concert. Can I assume that this is what people refer to as "the pink dress concert?" - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:29:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Joni Images hey check these out...circa 1991, post Sting party....Joni and Bruce Springsteen..... some of John Kelly as well _http://www.filmmagic.com/SearchResult.aspx?str=joni+mitchell&sfld=C_ (http://www.filmmagic.com/SearchResult.aspx?str=joni+mitchell&sfld=C) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 07:45:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni show: BBC Crown Jewels Yes. Jerry > OK, so she was wearing a pink dress for this concert. Can I assume that > this is what people refer to as "the pink dress concert?" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Deb Messling -^..^- > dlmessling@rcn.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 08:25:46 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Reading the news and it sure looks bad The Times They Are a Changin9 opened last night. Review from The Wall Street Journal is typical. Stuck Inside the Theater With the Broadway Blues Again By TERRY TEACHOUT October 27, 2006; Page W9 New York The buzz on "The Times They Are A-Changin'," the new Twyla Tharp-Bob Dylan jukebox musical, was devastatingly negative. Such omens of impending doom are usually right, but I hoped for the best anyway. Mr. Dylan is one of the greatest songwriters of the postwar era and Ms. Tharp one of its most admired choreographers, so how bad could it be? Now I know: "The Times They Are A-Changin'" is so bad that it makes you forget how good the songs are. If you liked Ms. Tharp's 2002 Broadway hit, "Movin' Out," let me start by warning you that "The Times They Are A-Changin'" is nothing like its predecessor, in which Billy Joel's music was used as the soundtrack for a dance-driven show with a vestigial but nonetheless intelligible plot. This time Ms. Tharp, who is credited with the "conception" of "The Times They Are A-Changin'," has come up with a nonplot so hopelessly addled that you'll have to read her I-am-a-genius program note to know what's supposed to be going on: "A tale of fathers and sons, of men and women, of leaders and followers, of immobility and change, 'The Times They Are A-Changin' uses prophecy, parable, metaphor, accusation and confession -- like the Dylan songs which comprise it -- to confront us with images and ideas of who we are and who it is possible to be." None of this is evident from the show itself, a maundering fable about a broken-down circus in which such Dylan classics as "Like a Rolling Stone" and "Don't Think Twice, It's All Right" are performed by a trio of musical-comedy types accompanied by a Holiday Inn-style lounge band. The focus is on the singers, not the dancers, which makes next to no sense. Not only is the prettified singing all wrong, but there's nothing obviously theatrical about Mr. Dylan's poetic monologues, which Ms. Tharp has turned into a string of literal-minded vignettes in which the lyrics are visualized with the utmost triteness ("Masters of War," for instance, becomes a pantomime show about a whip-cracking ringmaster). I've long had mixed feelings about Ms. Tharp's jumpy, unfocused choreography, but mine is a minority view, and in any case it had never before occurred to me to question her underlying artistic seriousness. If you went to see this show knowing nothing about her you'd go home assuming that she was a pretentious buffoon. Don't blame Mr. Dylan, who had nothing to do with "The Times They Are A-Changin'" beyond taking the producers' money. I hope he got it all up front. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:07:44 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Re: currency And she lit a candle for my love luck And 18 bucks went up in smoke - - Kate ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 09:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Marcie Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was the one left behind in his urge for going - and you know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring him back to her? The end is for us to finish depending on our mood or our life or the season .... Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:32:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Marcie I hope Marcie became a lesbian. :P - ----- Original Message ---- From: Susan Guzzi To: LCStanley7@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Cc: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 12:46:44 PM Subject: Re: Marcie Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was the one left behind in his urge for going - and you know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring him back to her? The end is for us to finish depending on our mood or our life or the season .... Peace, Susan - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Oct 2006 19:10:37 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Great big eeego Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 08:28:53 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: joni & god Bob wrote, among other things "......I think she realized early on that her 'great big eeeeeego' was going to forever be in the way of finding love - "I really don't know love at all"." Bob This one's obvious but I have to add "I guess I never really loved...." do I need to add the rest? Bene, from the icy altitudes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 15:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Marcie - --- Susan Guzzi wrote: > Concerning Marcie... I think of it as a very > melancholy song with some sentimental past . It's > a sort of sigh of sadness - a breath of cold with > winter on the horizon - not hopeless but maybe > resigned. I think Joni meant it to seem ordinary - > kind of like Marcie's day is so matter-of-fact. But > inside Marcie is slowly dying, - you know she is > somewhat like the season - autumn. It seems she was > the one left behind in his urge for going - and you > know he had to go .... but will the sea breeze bring > him back to her? The end is for us to finish > depending on our mood or our life or the season .... > > Peace, > Susan > Hey Suzzi Guzzi, I think you go it. It's all very ordinary and grey and a bit bleak, kind of like the weather has been around here for the last couple of weeks! Marcie did kind of drift off like an autumn leaf, not terribly noticed, didn't she? "Someone *thought* they saw her..." "Someone *heard* she bought a one-way ticket and went west again." No one really knows for sure. I guess she didn't tell anyone. I'd like to think she really did go back west and forgot all about that no-good man and changed her name and started up some kick-ass women's group. Someone (my apologies but I don't remember who) suggested that Joni and Marcie were one and the same. That could be. If you look at "I had a king" and then "Marcie", it could be the same woman - once telling the story in the first-person and then as a neutral third-party. For that matter, i think that Nathan LaFraneer drove her to the airport and that they may have driven past the shipyards in the rain on the way there, past the Dawntreader in her berth. And on it goes, with gangs and girly shows. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:55:56 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: my son the Joni jokester Bon vendredri soir! Before I tackle Bree's and Kakki's questions, let me start off light-hearted. My son Chris always teases me about Joni. He's the one who now lives in the "Land of the Tolls" (I'm sending up my prayer for Jack). He just called and told me that he heard that Joni is going to be doing ONE concert. Ha! I'm hip to his Joni tricks by now. When he took me to see JT a few summers ago he told me, on his return from the concession stand, that he saw the "Joni Mitchell Tour Bus" in the parking lot. "I don't believe him!" Me (fifty-fifty fire and ice): "Oh, really?" Chris: "Yeah. I saw it on CNN." Me: "Wow! That's great news. But it's hard to believe. I think I would have heard about it on the JMDL first, though." Chris: "Yep. One concert. In Montreal." Me (feigning excitement): "Wow. So when is it?" Chris: "June 30th." (Chris is getting married on June 30th.) Me: "Well, honey, I guess you'll have to find yourself another mother of the groom!" Don't you just love it when your kids acknowledge your Joniness? Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:00:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni currency, - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > >"Proud Headed Queen Lizzie" in Electricity is a > reference to a coin.< > > Do Canadian coins have Queen Elizabeth's head on > them like they do in > Australia? > Yes, they do. The copper proud-headed Queen Lizzie that conducts little charges that don't get charged back is the Canadian penny. Some people used to call them coppers. People would use them to replace a burnt-out fuse in a fuse box. Not the safest thing to do. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:05:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Marcie The song takes place in winter & the last she saw him (or heard from him) was the dreamy summer time... (Joni's daughter was born in Feb so conceived in late spring or early summer) Waving another day goodbye (each day significant because each day brings her closer to the inevitable birth of her child)... many of the things she is doing while waiting are that of someone who is 'preparing the nest' (washing, dusting) ... also she needs the plumbing fixed... and there is no one to take her to the sea- it seems so much more than just love... she needs this guy for something fundamentally important (as a father is to a child, and a husband is to his pregnant wife & soon to be child raising wife)... to her child, & supporter of her both emotionally & physically) maybe it is about someone else, but it sure seems like it was emotionally informed by that moment in time... and then there is the ending where may have bought a ticket to go west (where her boyfriend, the father of her child, moved to --as she wrote in little green) and yes, it is a thousand times sadder to have a relationship fall apart (or be unrequited or disappear or whatever) when a child is involved... and I would imagine a thousand times sadder than that to be having a child but no father in sight... >Good theory Kate. I don't think the love was unrequited. Perhaps he was married, perhaps he died, perhaps he was Hubble. I can' t imagine anything a thousand times more painful than unrequited love and most certainly anything more painful than love once had that no longer can be so. Mack> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Marcie Catherine wrote: "Marcie did kind of drift off like an autumn leaf, not terribly noticed, didn't she? "Someone *thought* they saw her..." "Someone *heard* she bought a one-way ticket and went west again." No one really knows for sure. I guess she didn't tell anyone." I see it as a limbo. You're not here and you're not there, so you simply start doing things in an "Auto" way, to numb both your despair and hope. Sometimes it's hope that we numb the most, you know. She's cleaning the house, she buys candy, she even goes to a show - and it all seems like a distraction, like she's having the attention diverted from living to "living". Life goes on but in a frozen way. Act one ended, and while you're waiting for the second act to begin, you find yourself living an intermission. It's a brief time but it seems to last forever. When i was a child and my Father died - my Mother acted exactly like Marcie. She was a young woman, a widow, so she switched herself into the "Auto" mode. From cleaning the windows with my Father's towel to going to the movies alone - those days in her life and the way she acted back then are always with me whenever i hear the song. A couple of years ago i had a conversation with a friend, a lovely girl, a very bright girl, and she was about to get married then and the topic of betrayal came up, and so naturally we were talking about cheating husbands, cheating wives, you know, and then she suddenly said something like "well there's the worst kind of betrayal - and that is when your partner dies". I'll never forget that. Nuri - --------------------------------- We have the perfect Group for you. Check out the handy changes to Yahoo! Groups. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 00:13:00 -0400 From: "Some Millers" Subject: Re: joni currency, Don't forget the mother lode of currency referred to in DED's "Tax Free". "Multiple hundreds of thousands of..." Tax free "Hundreds and millions of dollars" Tax free "A hundred billion dollars!" > Are there any other references to currencies in joni's songs? ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #307 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)