From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #298 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 19 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 298 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: percussion [Patti Witten ] The Te-na-ment Castle [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] ebay art [casper56@nyc.rr.com] Real or fake? ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Real or fake? ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston ["P. Henry" ] hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Real or fake? ["P. Henry" ] Re: percussion [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Real of fake? [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Real or fake? ["Lori Fye" ] Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark [est86mlm@ameritech.net] Two new (old) Joni songs [Les Irvin ] Real or fake? [] RE: Real or fake? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] re: Duncan Sheik, "Court and Spark" ["c Karma" ] RE: Real or fake? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Real or fake? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Two new (old) Joni songs [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Real or fake? ["Sherelle Smith" ] BBC Crown Jewels: In Concert: Joni Mitchell ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Duncan Sheik, "Court and Spark" [Bob Muller ] RE: Real or fake? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Real or fake? [J Kendel Johnson ] RE: Real or fake? [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Two new (old) Joni songs ["Les Irvin" ] Tiny Joni mention... ["Azeem" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:01:05 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: percussion "Marianne Rizzo" wrote: > > I was listening to a radio show yesterday on my way home from work . . (it > is called world cafe). > > Shawn Colvin was on . . they were interviewing her. My favorite syndicated radio program! World Cafe airs on NPR stations all over the country. The host, David Dye, dos a great job of introducing me to new music and playing my favorite music :) In the same show, Dye replayed an earlier interview with my mentor/teacher, Rosanne Cash. The connection between Cash and Colvin is not only their successful songwriting but personal and professional partnership with producer John Levenethal. John is a former intimate of Shawn's, and long-time co-writer and producer of several albums including her latest, These Four Walls. John and Rosanne are married, and he produced her latest, Black Cadillac. Check out his other producer credits, some familiar names there, like Patty Larkin, Rodney Crowell (Rosanne's ex!), Jim Lauderdale and Kelly Willis. Search for him at allmusic.com for more. Listen to the interviews, they are really great. I was emailing my friends all day yesterday, all emotions and distractions, sending them the links to these interviews: Rosanne http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5244631 Shawn http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6148332 I'm a big fan of Leventhal, Cash, Colvin, et al, and there's no doubt of Joni's influence among all of us singer-songwriters of a certain age :) I, too, learned to play through obsessive love of Joni Mitchell albums and from the alt-tunings and chords found in the songbooks. I aspire to that kind of writing and playing. The guitar is a box you can open, a pitched drum, a seagull crying, waves crashing. You know what I mean. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:37:56 -0400 From: Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com Subject: The Te-na-ment Castle Subject: The Te-na-ment Castle Catching up on my JMDL posts and saw this one from September. I have always thought that STAS is Joni's most overlooked and least appreciated album from her earlier works. I really love the visions that each song creates in my mind as I listen. While it is a younger, more naive, less sophisticated side of Joni for sure, so many songs really hit a nerve for me. When I saw the picture of the tenement castle from Detroit I have to say I was a bit shocked. I have been listening to "I had a King" on and off for 30 years and always had the same image in my mind of a solemn and resolute Princess sitting in her grove till the end of the year while her king was on the road. Inside per home she was surrounded by pastel walls, empty halls and rooms with no curtains. To actually see the real castle in Detroit kind of burst my bubble a bit - but still - for Joni to create such a beautiful and haunting image for me that allowed me to sustain that deep imagery and feeling all these years is just another sign of her brilliance as a song writer. Thanks for the post. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just in case this hasn't been posted before, as a matter of Joni history, here is an actual picture of the apartment building Chuck and Joni lived in on the 5th floor, just off the Wayne State campus in Detroit back in '65-'67. The 'tenament castle' referred to in IHAK: http://www.campusvillage.com/Detroit/home.htm - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail message (including attachments, if any) is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, proprietary , confidential and exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender and erase this e-mail message immediately. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 10:23:15 -0400 From: casper56@nyc.rr.com Subject: ebay art Actually Les if you really read the ebay post it never says that Joni actually did it. At least that's what I got out of it........ Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:48:53 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Real or fake? My guess is fake. . . but I do enjoy seeing it. if someone can enlarge this we could probably tell for sure. interesting. thanks. Marianne From: "Les Irvin" What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Thanks, Les _________________________________________________________________ Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:42:50 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Real or fake? but hey, you never know. . good job to who ever put the time into doing it! Go Joni fan! I'd say, get it . . especially if it is only around 5 dollars. _________________________________________________________________ All-in-one security and maintenance for your PC. Get a free 90-day trial! http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwlo0050000002msn/direct/01/?href=http://www.windowsonecare.com/?sc_cid=msn_hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:44:09 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston hi mags, Thanks for the heads up on this. I haven't run a serch on youtube in a while and I didn't know it was there. It's a beautiful presentation and interesting to me from the perspective of how Joni made so many things a performance and how, as well as being a painter, a poet, a songwriter, a singer, an instrumentalist, she is such a truly original performance artist. It happens that when I saw this tonight, I sent an email to my friend asking him to make it into a download for me and then I thought of your post and that maybe you'd like a copy also? if so, let me know, ok? tanx, pat - ---- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - ---- - ------------- I know many of us have seen this, but for those who have not...this is clearly one of my favourite pieces, heart bursting powerful most Hejira...white laced with Toller Cranston, an extraordinary painter and skater, who btw, pushed the envelope big time with his style...both on cloth canvas as well as ice.... enjoy! mags~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mlrccmVWQ - -- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors" http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/redirect.html/ref=nh_/002-6939683-9810463 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:43:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: hejira video Joni and Toller Cranston From: mags h I know many of us have seen this, but for those who have not...this is clearly one of my favourite pieces, heart bursting powerful most Hejira...white laced with Toller Cranston, an extraordinary painter and skater, who btw, pushed the envelope big time with his style...both on cloth canvas as well as ice.... enjoy! mags~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55mlrccmVWQ - ------------ I have not, so mille mercis! I'm nearly speechless. Even though I'm a good witch, not a bad witch, I am melting melting melting at the beauty of this. My favorite artist, my favorite song, filmed in my favorite city? Ooh la la! Near bliss! Good golly, Miss Magsie. Thank you for posting this! Speaking of Hejira......we have a new Spanish professor here, a lovely lady who I am just getting to know....and the friendship was sealed yesterday in my office. She noticed my screensaver (Joni's paintings) and commented on their beauty, so I told her they were by Joni Mitchell. Her eyes bugged out and she said: "I LOVE Joni MItchell." (Uh oh....here we go again!) Me: Are you SERIOUS? Odette: Oh, yes. I love that Both Sides Now album. Me: Really? Odette: Oh, yes. It's beautiful. Me (starting to froth at the mouth): Do you know her other work? Odette: I love that that other album that begins with an "H" that I can't pronounce too well. - ---------------------- I have a new friend of Joni spirit! I'll have to share the video with her. And you just have to pause for a minute, and think what a miracle it is these days that you can hear and see Joni any time you want with just a few clicks of the mouse. Ha! Why, when I was a lass, (after having walked three miles home from school while snow gathered liked bolts of lace), we had to put a big flat black circle on a round thing and turn it on, and later flip it over, and you never saw Joni on your TV screen. The wonder of it all! Thanks, Mags. I really needed that today. The fear and loathing on the campain (left the "g" out on purpose) trail is making me absolutely insane these days. Three weeks until the election..... like the little engine that could, I gotta keep saying: "we think we can, we think we can, we think we can.....", or better, in Joni-speak "you've go to keep thinkin', we can make it through these waves..." Sorry for the political segue, but it's everywhere in my little blue state -- inside and outside my head. Love, Patti P. _________________________________________________________________ Get FREE company branded e-mail accounts and business Web site from Microsoft Office Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:45:42 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: percussion Beautifully written...yes..the possiblities are endless. Very nice! You inspired me today. Thanks.. Bree >I aspire to that kind of writing and playing. The guitar is a box you can >open, a pitched drum, a >seagull crying, waves crashing. You know what I mean. > >Patti >-- >http://pattiwitten.com _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 02:55:10 +1000 (ChST) From: "P. Henry" Subject: RE: Real or fake? On the plus side, as some have observed, there is a general resemblence and also I can attest somewhat to Joni's tendency, in those days so long ago, to leave things behind she was working on... At one time I had a couple rough sketches she drew, just to get an idea on paper, I guess; some partial lyrics, I think; several setlists and a complete list of all the songs she'd written along with each one's tuning, all of which I found in the dressing room after her departure. I mean, she was literally always on the road in those days, alone, and it's not like she had a car or a lot of luggage. Against all odds, I vote for 'real', but... On the minus side, I agree that I'd sure like to know just how it ended up in this sellers hands, although, at this late date, just shy of forty years later, my guess would be likely from the belongings of someone who knew her then like myself, recently deceased. I mean, the timing is just about right, ya know? Best Regards, Pat - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:00:00 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: percussion A jammin' driver wrote: Shawn Colvin was on . . they were interviewing her. She said that she was "a joni freak" . . and that joni's percussion type guitar playing influenced her. I have often noticed that joni uses her guitar as a percussion instrument. Hi Road Scholar, Coyote and Don Juan's Reckless Daughter stand out in my mind for their drumming guitar sound. Hip, swinging music... Love, Roadie wanna be 4 Joni ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 15:15:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Real of fake? Les wrote: What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Hi Les, LOLLLLLLLLL are you sure this isn't one those paint by number things? Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 12:39:47 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Real or fake? Laura wrote: > LOLLLLLLLLL are you sure this isn't one those paint by number things? Hey! THERE's another business opportunity for Joni! The Art of Joni Mitchell - Paint By Numbers Box of Paints sold separately ; ) Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 14:34:55 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark Just found this online. Interesting. Bob, do you already know about this one?? "Rhino offers a comprehensive overview of the early years of his career with Brighter/Later: A Duncan Sheik Anthology - a two-CD set that showcases the emotional highs and lows of Sheik's songs. The compilation will be available October 24th for the suggested retail price of $19.98. n addition to singles, album cuts, and concert favorites, Brighter/Later contains a number of rarities and previously unreleased tracks: a studio recording of Lost On The Moon (from the international-only version of the Daylight CD), which is a live concert favorite; "Wishful Thinking" from the Great Expectations soundtrack; an unreleased recording of Joni Mitchell's "Court And Spark"; an unreleased remix of "For You"; and a new live recording of "Home." Read the entire article here http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1211843.php/Duncan_Sheik_returns_with_anthology_collection Laura ********************************************* Win Music Downloads http://www.energizer.com/music/bunnybeats/english/energizer_music_main.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:52:34 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Two new (old) Joni songs Lyrics to two early, unreleased songs written by Joni have recently surfaced. The two songs, "A Rambler, A Rover" and "Free Darling" were performed by Joni as early as 1965 back in Detroit. http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=ARamblerARover http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=FreeDarling Thanks to those who were able to locate these for all to enjoy! Les NP: Chris Thile "Eleventh Reel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:00:24 -0700 From: Subject: Real or fake? FAKE. Fakety, fake, fake fake! Defintely looks like something I would have copied around age 14, circa 1968. ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:24:48 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Real or fake? Hi Les, Looking at it and the aging of the paper in the upper right corner, I'm more inclined to believe it's from that era though it may not be the real thing but someone trying to copy the cover. I'm not as familar with early, early Joni. There are pros and cons. If Joni designed her first cover, this could have been a rough draft. Is that signature of hers actually on the album cover? Is there any way the writing can be compared to something else she signed? It would be very interesting to see. On the pro side, the age and the fact that it's unfinished may indicate that it could be a Joni first rough draft. Eeeks! Good luck figuring this one out Les! Sherelle Les wrote: What does everyone think about this piece up on eBay now?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230039392986 I'm having a discussion with the seller as to whether or not it's actually done by Joni. To me, it looks like some fan trying to copy the cover of her first album. Thoughts? Thanks, Les _________________________________________________________________ Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:32:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark He also has a new hit musical moving from Off Broadway to Broadway named Spring Awakening. Jerry est86mlm@ameritech.net wrote: > Just found this online. Interesting. Bob, do you already know about > this one?? > > "Rhino offers a comprehensive overview of the early years of his career > with Brighter/Later: A Duncan Sheik Anthology - a two-CD set that > showcases the emotional highs and lows of Sheik's songs. The compilation > will be available October 24th for the suggested retail price of $19.98. > > n addition to singles, album cuts, and concert favorites, > Brighter/Later contains a number of rarities and previously unreleased > tracks: a studio recording of Lost On The Moon (from the > international-only version of the Daylight CD), which is a live concert > favorite; "Wishful Thinking" from the Great Expectations soundtrack; an > unreleased recording of Joni Mitchell's "Court And Spark"; an unreleased > remix of "For You"; and a new live recording of "Home." > > Read the entire article here > http://music.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1211843.php/Duncan_Sheik_returns_with_anthology_collection > > Laura > > ********************************************* > Win Music Downloads > http://www.energizer.com/music/bunnybeats/english/energizer_music_main.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:10:40 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: Two new (old) Joni songs cool les. seeds of "help me" in there. and i like the reference to a "dark cafe". so where did these come from? are there recordings somewhere? jenny On 10/18/06, Les Irvin wrote: > > Lyrics to two early, unreleased songs written by Joni have recently > surfaced. The two songs, "A Rambler, A Rover" and "Free Darling" were > performed by Joni as early as 1965 back in Detroit. > > http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=ARamblerARover > http://jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=FreeDarling > > Thanks to those who were able to locate these for all to enjoy! > > Les > > NP: Chris Thile "Eleventh Reel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:45:07 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Duncan Sheik, "Court and Spark" "Rhino offers a comprehensive overview of the early years of his career >with Brighter/Later: A Duncan Sheik Anthology - a two-CD set that >showcases the emotional highs and lows of Sheik's songs. Not to be confused with Nick Drake's "Bryter Layter?" (One of his best, IMHO.) I wonder if the version of "Court and Spark" on this new collection is the one he did at NYC Summer Stage's Joni's Jazz show in 1998? I wish Joe Jackson would release his "Down To You." CC _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with old friends and meet new ones with Windows Live Spaces http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwsp0070000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:58:16 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Real or fake? I think it's a homage, not the real thing. 1. The previous owner put it into a house sale and didn't explain or document it for the new seller. If it was genuine, they would have related a story, at least. 2. Joni wouldn't have done all of that pen and ink stuff twice without changing it drastically. I don't think she *could* have done it twice, for love or money. She just wasn't into copying, ever. Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:36 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Real or fake? Yes, the signature is on the album cover.......... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:30:52 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Two new (old) Joni songs In a message dated 10/18/2006 5:20:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jrgoodspeed@gmail.com writes: cool les. seeds of "help me" in there. and i like the reference to a "dark cafe". so where did these come from? are there recordings somewhere? jenny yes, what Jenny asks....do tell Les...inquisitive minds want to know?!? rosie, The Cat's Pajamas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:01:26 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Real or fake? Hmmm....that makes it tough! I'm reading everyone else's thoughts on her handwriting as well as her painting technique. I'm definitely split down the middle on this! I wonder if there is someone who can truly authenticate it? Thanks Rose for the info! Sherelle >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, les.jonilist@gmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Real or fake? >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:36 EDT > >Yes, the signature is on the album cover.......... _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:32:04 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: BBC Crown Jewels: In Concert: Joni Mitchell Thanks so much for that, Laura! I couldn't run to my Tivo like system fast enough! Tonight is The Police and my husband is please to see AC/DC is coming up. Thanks for that! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:07:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Duncan Shiek and Court & Spark Got it Laura - - thanks. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Duncan Sheik, "Court and Spark" Wonder no longer - it is not - it's a studio version, nicer than the NYC take. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:03:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Real or fake? I compared the printed lettering and the art on the album cover (remember those?) to the picture on ebay, and I am at least 95% certain that it's a fake. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sherelle Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:01 PM To: RoseMJoy@aol.com; les.jonilist@gmail.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Real or fake? Hmmm....that makes it tough! I'm reading everyone else's thoughts on her handwriting as well as her painting technique. I'm definitely split down the middle on this! I wonder if there is someone who can truly authenticate it? Thanks Rose for the info! Sherelle >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, les.jonilist@gmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Real or fake? >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:36 EDT > >Yes, the signature is on the album cover.......... _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:11:18 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Real or fake? Thought I would weigh in with my thoughts... 1) The opening bid price doesn't necessarily reflect the reserve price -- a price the seller sets, which must be met before they are required to release the item to the highest bidder. So the $4.95 starting price doesn't really tell us a whole lot (even though under $5 probably does suggest that the owner doesn't perceive it to have *too* much value.) 2) We know nothing of the owner's depth of knowledge about Joni Mitchell. For all we know it could be a name they recognize, and perhaps they have some vague associations, but not much beyond that. There are millions of people who don't know who Joni Mitchell is... exactly... (Hard to believe, I know.) 3) It's perfectly possible to come to possess something of value without much knowledge about it or even much real awareness about how it came into your possession -- especially something that is essentially a piece of paper. People move, things get shuffled, things get stashed, someone comes along for whom it has no real meaning or value, but they kinda like it so they hang on to it in a drawer somewhere. The stories of unknown or unrecognized valuables showing up in unexpected places are frequently in the news. Heck, PBS's Antique Roadshow has made a whole broadcast series out of them. 4) I don't know enough about Joni's working style as a visual artist. It's hard for me to land on an opinion without a better quality, larger and straight-on photo. I have seen copies of Joni's handwritten lyrics for her songs in which she seemed to have written the same song out, starting over from the beginning each time, and changing various lines as she goes along with each draft, but, like someone else has said here, it's hard for me to imagine her doing that with her art -- plus I don't know much about art processes and studies. Maybe it's possible she was still fresh enough from her art school days that she was still in a more formal mode of doing studies -- or is it even possible it's a much earlier piece that she brought back out to recreate in a more polished form when it came time to do the cover art for her first album? 5) Didn't I hear somewhere on this list in the past that Joni created the cover art, turned it in, and then the record company insisted it had to have a photo of her on the front? Maybe that explains why this "draft" doesn't have a place for the photo. 6) Even if it's a copy cat, if it could be proven to be from the late 60s/early 70s, wouldn't it have some intrinsic value as a cultural artifact related to our beloved Ms. Mitchell? 7) Les, is there any way to get a printout of the photos in front of Joni? Seems to me it might very well tell everyone -- real of fake? -- right away! J Sherelle Smith wrote: Hmmm....that makes it tough! I'm reading everyone else's thoughts on her handwriting as well as her painting technique. I'm definitely split down the middle on this! I wonder if there is someone who can truly authenticate it? Thanks Rose for the info! Sherelle >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, les.jonilist@gmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Real or fake? >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:36 EDT > >Yes, the signature is on the album cover.......... _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:12:54 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: RE: Real or fake? Good going. I wrote my whole long diatribe, and I haven't even stopped to do that! Richard Flynn wrote: I compared the printed lettering and the art on the album cover (remember those?) to the picture on ebay, and I am at least 95% certain that it's a fake. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Sherelle Smith Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:01 PM To: RoseMJoy@aol.com; les.jonilist@gmail.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Real or fake? Hmmm....that makes it tough! I'm reading everyone else's thoughts on her handwriting as well as her painting technique. I'm definitely split down the middle on this! I wonder if there is someone who can truly authenticate it? Thanks Rose for the info! Sherelle >From: RoseMJoy@aol.com >To: sherellesmith@hotmail.com, les.jonilist@gmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Real or fake? >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:20:36 EDT > >Yes, the signature is on the album cover.......... _________________________________________________________________ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 00:00:08 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Re: Two new (old) Joni songs If there are, I haven't heard them! On 10/18/06, RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > > jrgoodspeed@gmail.com writes: > > cool les. seeds of "help me" in there. and i like the reference to a > "dark > cafe". so where did these come from? are there recordings somewhere? > jenny > > yes, what Jenny asks....do tell Les...inquisitive minds want to know?!? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 07:21:34 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: Tiny Joni mention... From today's Guardian; Brian May has collaborated in the writing of a book that is intended as a popular introduction to the Universe - one that people might actually be able to understand. Some of you may know that May was in the final stages of his work on a Phd when he jacked it all in to play with some rock band, forget the name... << The book came about as a result of May's friendship with Moore, whom he first met when he gave a talk at Imperial College. It was the impenetrability of Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time that partly inspired the three to write Bang!; Moore essentially poured it all out in a week, after which May and Lintott "dived in and tore it apart". Their aim was to assemble an easy-to-read chronology of the formation of the universe and the result is a readable and beautifully illustrated book that plays to a popular audience - lots of space given to cool stuff such as worm holes and Martian ice holes. "I figured that if I understood it, there was a good chance that people would in general, and that if I didn't understand it, then there was work to be done," says May. He understands that lay readers need analogies and so, for example, spiral galaxies are likened to traffic jams on the M25 and there is the odd rockular touch - "we are stardust, we are golden," runs the epilogue, a quote from Joni Mitchell - to remind us whose hands we're in. >> If you're interested, the rest of the piece is here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1925475,00.html Azeem in London - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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