From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #296 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 296 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Holy Sheet, Batman! [J Kendel Johnson ] an odd thing in "Laurel Canyon" the book [Em ] Re: an odd thing in "Laurel Canyon" the book ["Jenny Goodspeed" ] mcMartin Day care center sex abuse case redux ["Sharon G" ] The Gato [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Holy Sheet, Batman! I think we're talking about an alternative lyric Joni sings on Miles of Aisles. J np: Sara Hickman, Comfort's Sigh arkay o'malley wrote: i always thought the line was " the wind is in from africa and last i couldnt sleep..." >From: J Kendel Johnson >Reply-To: J Kendel Johnson >To: Cassy , Ruth Davis , >joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Holy Sheet, Batman! >Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 08:10:29 -0700 (PDT) > >Cassy wrote: From: "Ruth Davis" > ><<< The wind is in from Africa. >The sea is full of _______. > >I think she says "The sea is full of sheep" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 06:41:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: an odd thing in "Laurel Canyon" the book I'm really enjoying this book. Its been really fascinating to hear about how Joni arrived there and how taken everyone was with her at the time. I can only imagine in a community of songwriters, to suddenly hear Joni. Must have blown them away. But what I didn't understand was the author's interpretation of the feeling behind the song "LOTC". He seems to feel she is being critical of the canyon ladies or somehow poking fun at them. I've never felt that way. I always found it a rather affectionate look at what was around her - just another part of the surroundings. He quotes that line "Trina wears her wampum beads", as if saying that is somehow making fun of her? hmmm...I don't get it. I wish I had the book with me hear at work; I'd copy the whole passage. Was wondering if anyone else who's read this also found that odd, or off the mark? But its really a fun read. I like the doses of reality. Like he says that Graham and Joni's place, besides the way it was fixed up/furnished was basically a "hunting shack". Shows what a couple of cats and a nice vase can do! :) Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:20:36 -0400 From: "Jenny Goodspeed" Subject: Re: an odd thing in "Laurel Canyon" the book Wow. I never heard LOTC in a mocking way. I think of it as you do Em. An affectionate snapshot. I tried reading the lyrics with a "poking fun" frame of mind and they can work that way until you get to the last verse. I just don't see how a person would get 'criticizing' out of that. Jenny >>Trina takes her paints and her threads And she weaves a pattern all her own Annie bakes her cakes and her breads And she gathers flowers for her home For her home she gathers flowers And Estrella dear companion Colors up the sunshine hours Pouring music down the canyon Coloring the sunshine hours They are the ladies of the canyon On 10/16/06, Em wrote: > > But what I didn't understand was the author's interpretation of the > feeling behind the song "LOTC". > He seems to feel she is being critical of the canyon ladies or somehow > poking fun at them. > I've never felt that way. I always found it a rather affectionate look > at what was around her - just another part of the surroundings. > He quotes that line "Trina wears her wampum beads", as if saying that > is somehow making fun of her? > hmmm...I don't get it. > I wish I had the book with me hear at work; I'd copy the whole passage. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: Joni's birthday Rachael, Since Les doesn't always answer his email, I'll answer this one. No, "Our Lady Of Duality" doesn't come from one of Joni's songs. It comes from one of Joni's fans. Long ago, we were discussing the split messages in so many of her songs and I coined the phrase. I never pass up an opportunity to remind everyone about it either. :) Jim L. Dayton, OH Rachael Byrnes (Singer/ Songwriter) said, >You refer to Joni as "Our Lady of Duality" is that in reference to one of her songs? I'm curious!! I have a song called Behind the Mask, where I talk about how spiritually I follow "a rich tapestry, of catch 22s and duality"> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:31:38 -0400 From: "Sharon G" Subject: mcMartin Day care center sex abuse case redux of all the things to drag me out of lurkdom. Its not a concert or play or book or even my association with anyone on this list or that i travelled past the spot where the Joni Fest is happening or even Dar Williams but rather the thread on Child Sexual Abuse or molestation. Firstly, McMartin Day Care was the second national case of Child Sexual Abuse that was publicized. If you look at the history of CSAbuse, though its occurred in every culture, in every ecomonic level, in every state, and in 1 in 4 people's lives, it really wasnt discussed publically until the late 80s when Oprah talked about her own molestation. all of these major cases have allowed us to know much more about CSA and start to deal with the critical and sensitive issues involved. . i recommend the documentary called CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS. one of the critical issues in McMartin is that many of the interviewers were Male cops and they really werent trained to interview children regarding sexual abuse. Cops may have mislead the children to tell the story that they wanted them to. Chld Sexual abuse is the most taboo and offensive of all the crimes against children and in the 30 years since Oprah came forward, lots of developments in the field have emerged. One being, that there is only two concrete evidences of CSA - DNA and comfirmed STD. short of DNA and STD, CSA is still suspect but cant be verified and without STD...its a weak case. McMartin had neither at the time. the basic premise of "believing" children is complicated because. Children have to be interviewed to determine if they know the difference between a lie and the truth. Children who detail sexual encounters beyond their years are a reliable witness. The courts handling of children, their interviews and how they have to face their alledged molester are areas where advancements have been made. the idea is children should be believed and that risk be taken vs children not being believed. the power disparity between kids and adults is the reason. the assumption of kids is that the would not be believed. Also many have been threatened not to tell so empowering and protecting their courage and bravery is important. If i had a choice. id rather side with the child then take the risk that they were being abused and I didnt believe them.... sorry if i babbled but these are complicated issues and there are some really good resources on child sex abuse. sorry my professional life is showing.... I am a 20 year child welfare social worker who teaches child abuse and neglect. If you want to look at the Major indictors of CSA and then examine what we know about Michael Jackson's cases, its facinating.... BTW..... Streisand at the Garden was as close to perfection.... i think that i have died and gone to heaven..... sharon G - -- Trust your intuition It's just like going fishing You cast your line And hope you're getting a bite But you don't need to waste your time Worrying about the market place Try to help the human race Struggling to survive its harshest night paul simon sage advisor, does weary mean wiser dar williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 11:31:09 +1000 From: "Rachael Byrnes" Subject: my apologies Hi All, My apologies for posting my last message as a reply to the digest. I didn't realise it would include the whole digest. I think I know what I'm doing now. Best wishes ______________________________ Rachael Byrnes Singer/ Songwriter www.rachaelbyrnes.blogspot.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:31:27 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Gato Now I know just how Joni felt when she couldn't come to NYC for the Carnegie Hall tribute for the Music for Youth! I've got a very sick tomcat to nurse back to health.............lower urinary tract problems......Second visit to the animal hospital in 2 days...my nerves are shot, but I must keep a close eye on him to make sure he doesn't get blocked up..........OMG the stench!!!!!! lmao Say a little prayer for Nemo.....have to give him more meds now.... later, rosie in nj ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #296 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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