From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #282 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 3 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 282 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- A Case of Ewes - the sheep debate [Gordon Mackie ] RE: Barangrill [Em ] RE: Barangrill [Catherine McKay ] Re: Barangrill ["Lori Fye" ] Jm and Mingus and bombastic orchestrations [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 81 - Oktoberfest! [Bob Muller ] Re: Jm and Mingus and bombastic orchestrations [Michael Flaherty Subject: A Case of Ewes - the sheep debate Dear JMDLers, De-lurking to add to the 'sheep' thread. Part of the answer for me lies in an old bootleg recording of a live concert from the early 70's where she is explaining how 'Carey' was written. Whilst on the island of Crete, the locals, fed up with the influx of 'hippies' on their beach, were shouting at Joni et al, and she mimics the local dialect / pigeon English 'Eh sheepie, sheepie, Matala Matala' which she explains means ,"Hippie, hippie, go back to Matala where you all belong. I think she is has shortened 'Sheepie' to 'sheep' to fit the song. Er...that's all. Better get back to work Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:39:16 +0100 From: ReckersL@ebrd.com Subject: RE: Nerina Pallot and Joni Thanks Azeem! I can imagine that would have been a great evening at the Kashmir Klub! Thanks also to Jim for giving me more info on the search engine. I'm surprised that not more had been written before on this striking resemblance. So can I just be stubborn and insistent, and ask people to give that "Sophia" song a listen? I really almost found it "spooky" (but in a pleasant way) to hear such a "real Joni Mitchell song" written and produced by somebody else. I'd love to hear what others think! And if you agree that it's a "real JM song", which Joni album do you think it would fit in best? My own stab would be somewhere around For the Roses. I hope I won't get stoned for heresy! Lieve in London. - -----Original Message----- From: Azeem [mailto:atel79@dsl.pipex.com] Sent: 30 September 2006 21:39 To: ReckersL@ebrd.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Nerina Pallot and Joni Hi Lieve, I saw that little feature too. Nerina has received a lot of good publicity, which is gratifying, as she is certainly talented. And, she is, wait for it, a Kashmir Klub alumna! Yes, I saw her play there many times, and she was a compelling performer. She played a residency there once, when most of her backing band was Sheryl Crow's band; and sure enough, one evening I sat down and there, two people away from me, was La Crow herself. I've got Nerina's first album, Dear Frustrated Superstar. It's good, though could do with some editing. Nearly all the songs go on too long, and I also find it a tad overproduced. What comes through is her voice, which is really lovely, clear but with a slight graininess; and her way with a tune. Azeem in London NP: Sigur Ros - something weird and wonderful in Icelandic - or is it?? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of ReckersL@ebrd.com Sent: 29 September 2006 14:21 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Nerina Pallot and Joni I have tried to check what has already been written about Nerina Pallot here before, but I must admit blushingly that I did not manage to get it to work, in spite of everybody writing how wonderful the search facility is. So I'm sure the fault is all mine, and hopefully someone will give me some gentle directions to put it right. So at the risk of repeating some earlier information, I think I have also definitely some new stuff, Joni related. In Monday's publication of Metro, the free paper in London, it was Nerina Pallot's turn to talk about her 6 favourite songs on her i-pod. And alongside numbers by David Bowie and Johnny Cash, she listed Joni's Edith And The Kingpin. She says: "I like this because of that line 'the band sounds like typewriters' - which is one of the best lyrics ever. I maintain that if Joni Mitchell had been born a man she would have been bigger than Bob Dylan. I absolutely believe that - she Sh*ts on him lyrically. She's a better musician, a better singer... everything about her is better. And I love Bob Dylan. But if I have to go to the grave over one of them it would be Joni Mitchell." I noticed the name of Nerina Pallot a few months ago, when my eldest son Thomas (21 yesterday!), who, if I can proudly say so, has a very good ear for music and plays some mean guitar and piano himself, was sitting at the computer and said to me: "Mum, listen to this song here. Don't you think that sounds just like a Joni Mitchell song?" I was not very keen to hear yet another singer being compared to Joni. I'd rather that they just do their own thing, and do it well. But anyway, mum listened. And was amazed. Because this song, Sophia, did not just remind me of Joni's music, it was first of all a really nice song, and secondly I would have sworn that it was a Joni composition! I did not hear all the other songs on the CD, I know some are much more commercial such as "Everybody's Gone To War" which made it into the charts in the UK. I'm glad this singer is not just building a career on making songs that could have been written by Joni Mitchell, but I have admiration for her musical skills. I also remember reading an interview with her before, and she sounded refreshingly "real" and unmanufactured. Just now I looked her up on the AllMusic site, and it says she was born in 1975 in London. Apparently she produced her first CD in 2001, it was pulled from the shops by the record label because they wanted to reissue it together with a new single, but then (and I quote): "an appearance on the British children's television program Live and Kicking proved disastrous when fellow guest Faye Tozer of pop group Steps accidentally pushed Pallot off the show's couch; the mishap aired live and made Pallot the butt of much joking, and Polydor terminated her contract just a few weeks later, never returning Dear Frustrated Superstar to retail. ... Pallot spent the next four years out of sight, finally resurfacing in the spring of 2005 with Fires , issued on her own Idaho label. The LP proved a critical and commercial favorite and was reissued in updated form a year later on the Warner subsidiary 14th Floor Records," Well, I'm glad for the girl! Now if anybody could tell me how to find what has been written about her before, I'd be very grateful! Lieve in London. PS My apologies to everybody who's had a birthday but no birthday greetings from me! ______________________________________________________________ This message may contain privileged information. If you have received this message by mistake, please keep it confidential and return it to the sender. Although we have taken steps to minimise the risk of transmitting software viruses, the EBRD accepts no liability for any loss or damage caused by computer viruses and would advise you to carry out your own virus checks. 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Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 05:27:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: RE: Barangrill we had Humble down here in FL, when I was a kid, and we pronounced the "H". What the 'ell. Listened to Barangrill a couple of times over the weekend, and my original inner movie of it kind of went away. oh well.... yeah, it seems to be about being at gas stops. :( But those are just the physical circumstances. I still sense she's got something else on her mind. "Barangrill" and "Banquet" and "Electricity" are fighting for 4th place as my faves, behind (surprise!) WOHAM, CBSASF, and JOTMAS. Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > --- "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > wrote: > > > > Growing up in Columbus, Ohio, we had both Humble and > > Pure gas stations. But > > since Joni grew up in SK, where they probably had > > "Esso" stations (as > > Catherine remembered in Toronto), I wasn't so sure > > the double meaning came > > from Joni's experience. (Is the connection solely > > in my head?) > > > > Yeah, but she was a California girl by then, had lived > in the US (east, middle and west) for quite a while > and would be familiar with US gas companies and road > signs. > > Lori apparently said (back in '03) that Humble was > pronounced with a silent H. Kind of like Uriah 'Eep, > then, who was ever so 'umble. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 10:54:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Barangrill - --- Em wrote: > Listened to Barangrill a couple of times over the > weekend, and my > original inner movie of it kind of went away. > oh well.... > yeah, it seems to be about being at gas stops. > :( > But those are just the physical circumstances. I > still sense she's got > something else on her mind. She always has something else on her mind. It's a metaphor for something else. I wouldn't lose the inner movie, if I were you. I hate it, when I read a book and have a picture in my mind of what the characters look like, and then the movie comes out and they look and behave nothing like the ones I had imagined. I've tried playing that one on the guitar, but I can never get it to sound right. The rhythms are tricky. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 13:50:25 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Barangrill > Lori apparently said (back in '03) that Humble was > pronounced with a silent H. Kind of like Uriah 'Eep, > then, who was ever so 'umble. Thanks, Catherine, for mentioning that. Like Em, most people actually pronounced Humble with a hard H. I certainly did. I think the only people who pronounced it correctly were the people who lived in or near Humble, Texas. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: 02 Oct 2006 22:27:44 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Jm and Mingus and bombastic orchestrations I guess most of you know this article http://nymag.com/nymetro/arts/music/pop/11888/ The following comment that she makes on Ch Mingus made me think of our recent discussions TLog and BSN... "I didn't appreciate the bombastic quality of Mingus's music until I sat in amongst the horns with them puffing all around me. That's the best way to appreciate Mingus, to be sitting right in the horn section. That was a thrill." Bene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 00:01:32 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Barangrill hi >>>>em wrote > But those are just the physical circumstances. I still sense she's got > something else on her mind. nirvana for middle americans??? ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:20:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 81 - Oktoberfest! Hi Ron, glad that you are enjoying the latest batch. Thanks for the mini-biography on Cornelia. Both of the LP's I bought came from German sellers, one was "I Wanna Live" (1968 with The Circle Game) and the other was "Don't Forget To Remember" (1970 with these 2 on it). I can't think of her single name - Cornelia - without thinking of the character from The Planet Of The Apes movies, even though he was Cornelius. Bob NP: Dave Matthews Band, "Pig" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 23:58:24 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 81 - Oktoberfest! hi >>>bob wrote > 16. Cornelia - Chelsea Morning: One of the > shortest Joni covers, clocking in at a scant > 1:47. It fades out before it's even over - why? > 17. Cornelia - Both Sides Now: We last heard from > Cornelia on Volume 73 with her cover of Circle > Game. Still don't know much about her, except - > hey, she must be a big Joni fan, and that's all I > need to know. firstly - thanks for another set of covers. then - cornelia. she was german born & moved to south africa. in 1968, at the age of 18, she was picked up on by david marks, a local record producer(who also was a part of the sound team at woodstock). she had a whole string of singles between 1968 to 1980, with only three albums - 2 in 1968 & 1 in 1970. her biggest hit was her debut single "picking up pebbles" - which is also the only one i can remember ever hearing. she also worked with local folk-rock star - colin shamley (a highly talented musician who tragically has only one album out - born guilty). he wrote a song for her way back, & she did some backing vocals for him on his album - which is where i know her from. ron np - the i like song - colin shamley & cornelia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 15:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Jm and Mingus and bombastic orchestrations Benedicte Nielsen wrote: The following comment that she makes on Ch Mingus made me think of our recent discussions TLog and BSN... I can kind of see your point in a way, but I don't hear much Mingus influence on those albums. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 19:23:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, jc again - --- Lori Fye wrote: > Something I may or may not have mentioned before > about Esso stations: > "Esso" is the phonetic pronunciation of "S, O." As > in Standard Oil. > D'oh. I never knew that. Ha ha - what does Exxon stand for then? And, of course, Joni also said: Next time I'll be bigger! I'll be better than ever! I'll be resurrected royal! I'll be rich as standard oil! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 19:34:58 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Humble/Esso/Exxon, was: Barangrill, jc again Actually..it's the Canadian oil reserves. You can do a good business. ...like a twelve /thirteen percent return on your money. (too bad... zero dollars to invest) Bree >And, of course, Joni also said: >Next time >I'll be bigger! >I'll be better than ever! >I'll be resurrected royal! >I'll be rich as standard oil! > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 16:51:32 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 81 - Oktoberfest! My God! Tony Barber? There's a blast from the past. I knew he released an album or two but his singing career never took off. He became known in this country as the Game Show King. Tony Barber was the original host of Sale of The Century - the highest rating game show in Australia's history. It was eventually sold to the United States but, alas, Tony was not exported with it. He now only does the occasional insurance commercial on TV. Thanks Bob for this trip down memory lane. Mark in Sydney NP Both Sides, Now - Tony Barber ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #282 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)