From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #278 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 29 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 278 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. [Patti Witten ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Michael Flaherty ] Joni's Mendel Book on e-Bay ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: Joni's Mendel Book on e-Bay [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["anon anon" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["anon anon" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["anon anon" ] Re: Barangrill ["anon anon" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Barangrill [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Nuriel Tobias ] Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Michael Flaherty ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:36:32 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? LOL LOL LOL She doesn't say 'five' . It's 'Fine' My friend also asked me this a few days ago but he thought she said 'Fire' so I had a listen and it's 'fine' As in Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like yooooooooo........fine' I was trying to listen to the song over and over again to hear 'fire' but to no avail... but finally I got the bit where he was listening to (near the start) and it all fell into place... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 28/09/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Oh boy - seems like i need to explain what's going on, again. > > Well - > > You see, Joni does sing 5 on Carey but ONLY in the "Joni Sings Live From Her Bedroom To You And Only To You" super limited edition of Blue. > This super limited edition looks, feels, smells and costs EXACTLY like the ordinary version and is offered to the buyers once and only once the seller recognizes them as true fans or as family relatives. You may not even realize that you own the super limited edition, as i know most of us never did notice. > > However - > Once a year, when your details are sent from the music store's archive to the uncoding lab downtown, Joni is able to plug herself to your stereo and speakers VIA the wiring in the walls of your home STRAIGHT to your cd-player and sing the INTIRE album LIVE to you and ONLY to you from her bedroom. > > Them lucky ones who exprienced this real-time event, have heard not only 5's - but also 43.7's, 7639.98's, cats chasing birds, dogs chasing cats, African birds nesting, distant thunders, cars crashing into pools, toasters burning, doors slamming, clocks ticking, match boxes shaking, baths and showers running, phones ringing, lawyers laughing, mothers crying, the sci-fi channel, Yoko Ono protesting, persistent coughing, ex-lovers snoring, Paris Hilton doing back vocals and playing the flute, neighbours making love to other neighbours, awkward silences, tracks 35-47, and if you got really lucky you could even hear Myrtle doing dishes in the kitchen while the self-distruct mechanism of the super limited edition started it's countdown and right before your cd-player exploded. > > However - > > If you DON'T hear ANYTHING on Carey BUT the damn song ITSELF - take comfort in your BSN album, where, even in the most common versions of the product, you can easily hear Joni singing "That's How High Ham" on Sometimes I'm Happy. > > So there. > > Nuri > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:48:20 +0100 From: "Azeem" Subject: RE: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... On Sep 27 2006, Chris Marshall wrote: >On 27 Sep 2006, at 15:21, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> Yes indeed, if only it wasn't so badly buried in the mix. > > I wish it was buried *more* in the mix > >But I'm sure people aren't interested in my opinions of Mr. Shorter's >semi-random peeping noises throughout TLog. ;) > >--Chris And Bene replied: << No! you can't just say that, you need to explain! I like the sax on Tlog but mainly because I liked it on BSN, and that album has been with my friend for a year now, so in a sense I only like it on TLog because it reminds me of BSN. So what _IS_ your problem with Shorter?? >> Well I'm with Chris on this. Just because Wayne Shorter is a great player - and he is undoubtedly that - it doesn't follow that everything he does works; and for me, too, his playing on Travelogue doesn't work. I ought to lay my cards on the table and declare that I absolutely loathe Travelogue, partly as I have a perhaps simplistic view on Joni's vocal ability as showcased on that album: she can't sing any more. End of. The other reason I can't bear to listen to TL is the horrid, florid, overstated arrangements. I remember physically wincing at For The Roses in particular. And this is where Wayne Shorter comes in - or rather, forces his way in wherever he can find a gap. It's like adding extra frills to a pastiche Fabergi egg, totally superfluous. Incidentally, the best example I can think of where Wayne Shorter seems to flounder is on Lead Balloon (one of a very small number of Joni songs that has virtually no redeeming qualities); amidst the hollow thrum of Joni's treated guitar and the truly horrible (deliberately so??) squalling lead guitar, Wayne sounds utterly lost. I'd prefer to think of his majestic playing on Paprika Plains as a measure of how much he's added to Joni's music. Azeem in London NP: Cat Power - Could We (off The Greatest, my latest Emusic download) - -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/458 - Release Date: 27/09/2006 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 10:54:41 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: New Re-Re-Releases Hello All CD Universe seems to have Re re releases from Japan of Joni's middle period catalogue. Available from Oct 3rd http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7260280&style=music&meid=10122 and a full search of Joni Mitchell still comes up with the expanded and remastered versions of the Asylum stuff http://www.cduniverse.com/sresult.asp?style=music&HT_SEARCH=XARTIST&HT_SEARCH_INFO=Mitchell%2C+Joni&cart=401095742&altsearch=yes Hmmmmm Whassgoingon? Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 07:51:08 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. Bob Muller wrote: > I'm glad that others > think the 30th anniversary of the GREATEST ALBUM EVER RECORDED is a worthy > subject of an interview and article. Yes. Undeniably. Before sequencing and mastering my new CD I listened to Hejira twice through to soak up some of her essence and influence. Like Chris Marshall said, for me Hejira is timeless. (By the way, now you can stream the whole album from my web site. It's off at the printer's finally and I have my fingers crossed for delivery by Oct. 20.) > And hey, thanks for recently posting this 1968 interview: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 This is TOO FUNNY, Bob, because in the interview she says, "So we got out of Michigan and went down to the Carolinas, and found out that South Carolina was too far south. I refused to work there any more." In other news, I missed seeing Ashara here in Ithaca this past weekend but Sue McNamara got to see her. :) Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:55:51 +0100 From: studio16a Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Do you mean you're hearing " Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you....five" ? :) PaulC NP: 'Indiscriminate Act of Kindness' by Foy Vance (who has been support act to Bonnie Raitt on some of her European dates recently - fab!!) Listen @ http://iacmusic.com/songs.aspx?SongID=23996&ArtistID=43750 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 04:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? I never heard it either..but I figured it was just because I don't hear sh_t these days. But then I thought, but I don't recall it from back then ("back then" being before I stood right in from of the speakers at 2 Grateful Dead shows in the 80's) either..... maybe its on some bootleg version? Em - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I'm 5 challanged > > Paz > > > Me too, Bob. We are probably 5-challenged. > > That can be tested though. Just ask your wife to say "5" - and if > you CAN'T > > hear it, well then - welcome to the Twilight Zone:) > > > > Nuri > > Bob Muller wrote: > > the number "5" at the > > beginning of "Carey"? > > > > > Does she? I don't hear it. I'm assuming you're > > talking about the version on Blue. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:25:22 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? I thought about that too...obviously she's saying "fine"...so nobody else hears anything at the beginning except the dulcimer? Does anybody else hear her whispering "I buried Paul" at the end? Bob NP: Devlins, "Static In The Flow" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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I was sort of hoping this discussion would make me like T'log more, but to be honest I think I'm still the same: there are highlights, but whenever I put it on, I have this nervous reaction: "oh I hope God Must be Boogie Man doesn't come up now, or The Sire of Sorrow..." But I have to say: of course she can sing! She is a singer. Perhaps her voice has changed, but I love its new quality; and someone like her doesn't just lose the ability to sing. Just listen to BSN which is in fact one of my favourite albums...! >The other reason I can't bear to listen to TL is the horrid, florid, >overstated arrangements. I remember physically wincing at For The Roses >in particular. And this is where Wayne Shorter comes in - or rather, >forces his way in wherever he can find a gap. It's like adding extra >frills to a pastiche Fabergi egg, totally superfluous. Yeah again... I guess it's because I liked him on BSN, so when I listen to Tlog I think oh there he is again, he's nice! But it's a bit like some old friendship that you are trying to maintain, and you look at it with good intentions etc... Ah well. "anyone can tell you..." that life is too short to keep boring company and listen to music that doesn't do it for you. Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:01:29 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: I love Travelogue! I love "Travelogue" ! Not all the time. Not at all mods. But sometime's : It's just perfect. It can for example be a friday night. Coming home from work. Tired after a long week. Doing some housework. Than I turn up Travelogue real loud. And it's perfect ! "Cherokee Louise" is one of my favorites. I think my understanding of the text got deeper through this version. I think Joni's delieverance of the strong text is way better in this arrangement compared with the on on NRH (which I like more - the more II hear it - but still not nr.1) I myslef came in as a Joni fan relatively late. In fact I did'nt discover her until after her last album with new material (TTT) 'till date was published. My first discovery of our Lady was in 1999 through her beautiful version of "Magdalene Laundries" with the Chieftians. I think starting with this old Joni - raspy and smokin ' voice - made me especially weak for her at this late stage. I love TTT and I love some of "Both sides, now" (Esp. Jonis own songs) Since I wasn't able to follow Joni from the sixties 'till now - I didn't have all these sentiment feelings tangled up in how she sounds and how she was supposed to sound. I just loved the way she sounded now. So I've started climbing the Joni-ladder backwards. Starting out with "Tears of stone" Chiftians - than "Hits" - "Blue" - "Both sides,now" and I think maybe "Travelogue" was my next buy. I dived into it. Some of it I found heavy. Some of it i didn't like it all. But after a while it opened up. Try to take a bath while listening to "Travelogue" - that aslo works fine for me ! It was an intresting way for me starting with "Travelogue" - I t was the first time I heard versions of her songs from eighties - early nighites and for examplle "The Dawntreader" from STASG - I heard her late versions first - then I' ve supplied with the original versions. I see that "Travelogue" sometimes can be too much - but Iin a way I feel that it never rally is that muche anyways. "Sex kills" withe the full orchestra might be a bit rich - but then again - the conten in the song is quite strong - so why not just exxagerate ... One year ago I translated the song Hejira into nynorsk (one of two language forms of norwegian) It was very exciting. And I felt that thorugh my trasnlation of Joni's work - I got a glimpse of her great energy - her rich inspiration. And while I was translating - I don't know why - but it fall natural for me using the version on "Travelouge" It was very intense listening to it again and again through my headphones. Very groovy. And also a beautiful version. And not at least to mention her version of "The circle game" a well known norwegian author - Frode Grytten - wrote an article on Joni Mitchell poeticly titled "Portrait of the artist as a mature woman" A very beautiful article - which inpired me to buy the album. He concluded the article by recomending all Joni sceptics - and all Joni "Travelogue" sceptics to sit down and really listen to "The circle game" Listen to her. Yeah - ehat van I say - from my point of view and point of mood ; it's perfect. I love Joni ! Best Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:19:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: >LOL LOL LOL She doesn't say 'five' . It's 'Fine' My friend also asked me this a few days ago but he thought she said 'Fire' so I had a listen and it's 'fine' As in Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like yooooooooo........fine' I don't have the original post handy, but I was sure he/she (can't remember who) said it was at the very beginning of "Carey". Michael Flaherty Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 09:34:10 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: The price of gas 9/11 and the Elections I said "With all the added security at Airports and scrutineering of Passenger lists, 9/11 wont hapen again in my Lifetime. They have no Aircraft of there own they dont have landing ships for Troops, so where is this danger coming from.???" Somebody replied :-They didn't have their own aircrafts in 2001 either but were still able to pull off 9/11....Anyway, its naive to think another attack couldn't happen. These terrorists aren't stupid. People probably said the same thing before the trade towers attack...that it would be nonsense to think anyone would fly airplanes into buildings in the United States. It was because of attitudes like this that the attacks were able to take place. Regardless of how you feel about President Bush, the threat of another Al Qaida attack is real and to pretend that it couldn't happen seems a bit foolish.-------------------------------------------------------------- Firstly as I said since 9/11 security at airports has been increased 10 fold and Aircraft have had measures implemented to prevent breaking into the Cotpit, and there are more Marshalls on airline planes, And yes Clarke of the CIA told Miss Rice danger of Bin Laden attacking America, and there were reports of arabs taking Flying lessons but not finishing them to include LANDING. Im sorry for saying this but I detect a strong Republican side to your Opinion, for this is what you all say and talk about, to put fear into people ( including old people ) to distract the working class from all the really important issues, you said there is more like 300 million people in the USA, well my point is meaningfull even more, 1500 americans into 300 million, what percentage is this.The point I am making is its impossible for even 2 % of People in the USA being affected in any way by AlQueda, and you know that Bush and Rove do there best to insinuate that " The war on Terror" affects 100% of americans, to belive this would mean that our CIA NSA and FBI and Military are completley hopeless??? dont you think, Is he saying that 40 planes could be HiJacked in some future event ???. Could you imagine the Incompetence for this to happen in our Homeland securtity, No No No, It aint going to happen Or do you think that some sea born Invasion is possible ??????-------------------------------------------------------------------- - ----------------- I said "And in truth most dont care about the "Poor Iraq people " in any way, any more than they care about the people in Darfur in Sudan" To be more accurate, the population is pushing 300 million and I think it ludicrous that one person can attest to speak for hundreds of millions of people, let alone to profess to know what they think and feel. Well the working class and the poor in the USA arnt cared for by this current adminsistration, in any way, so why in principle do they care about the Poor People in Iraq ??? ahead of the Poor people in the USA, the answer is ------- they dont care about the poor people in Iraq anymore than they care about the working class in the USA, the whole Iraq war is about G Bush not losing face, his last aim is to have our troops in Iraq till 2008, after which, if any preceeding President pulls the troops out, It wont be his fault will it ????? And how many times have you hear people in America say " I dont want any Taxation, I dont believe in Taxation, all of my hard earnt money should stay in my Ownership, now how do these same people start saying " But spend Billions of our money in Iraq" Dosent make sense does it ???????????????????? Lastly if the Majority of Americans belived in contributing to the upkeep of the Nation in paying taxes per say, why isnt there any interest in a National Health Service, like there is in most Western Countries around the world ???????????? You cant have it both ways. I saw a Republican senator saying this morning on C Span that " I dont belive in a Minimum wage " they were debating the potential Minimum wage Rise issue tied in with giving Rich people huge Tax cuts. This is the true honest side of the Republican party. and one day the majority of Working class people will wake up to the fact sooner or later, there is no Hope in voting Republican none whatsoever, and into the bargin this Administration has contributed to a Huge massive Deficit Someone give me a reason why any working class man should vote Republican???, for these people hold the balance affecting the Result in any Election. ( I can hear it now because Bush is stronger on " The war on Terror" what folly) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:12:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Re: Barangrill Well out of lurkdom to discuss a one of my fave Joni albums - and songs (Blue is still my fave but this is MY JONI era!) ....Okay Barangrill IS life... is travel ... is one of the refuges of the road . Being on the road, as soon as you get to the Barangrill - there's only one thing on your mind - where's the next Barangrill? It's the life of a trucker - a traveler in some vehicle - a wanderer - it's everywhere when you're there and nowhere when you're not. The people in each place are such characters! It's a state of mind, it's surrealistic - like a pillow for comfort. ;-) Nuri, I believe this person has been to many Barangrils - in a way for those on the road - it is their home.- and it is their fix. Just my thoughts - from the darkside moving into the light again! Peace, Susan Nuriel Tobias wrote: Sorry Guys, but the song is NOT about someone IN Barngrill but about someone who is moving from a diner to a truck stop and asking waitresses and truck-drivers WHERE'S Barngrill, show me the way TO Barngrill, and so on - so it's pretty obvious this person is NOT in Barngrill yet, has no idea where it is, and does NOT even get there in the end while still wondering WHERE's Barngrill. Nuri Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Michael Paz wrote: My take is that > Joni is equating this > whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as > the center image, but then > that is why I love her. She conjours up my own > images in my heart and in my > head.. > Yup. Sounds like that to me too. One of those places along the highway where you can stop for a meal and to get gas and whatever else. "The guy at the gas pump, he's got a lot of soul He can sing Merry Christmas for you, just like Nat King Cole." One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill. "Well, some say it's in service They say Humble makes pure." I used to think she was saying, "Well sunset's in service." It made sense to me in its own way. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:35:31 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Joni's Mendel Book on e-Bay I have e-Bay notify me of Joni stuff for sale and just noticed the book from the Mendel is up for auction (at least as of 9/21) and the starting bid is $325. Hmmm. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:05:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Joni's Mendel Book on e-Bay Yeah, that's become a real collector's item. Typically sells for $250 - $350, so the opening bid is not out of line. Wish I had bought a whole mess of them way back when. Bob NP: Joni, "A Strange Boy" (from THAT album...aaaaaaah....) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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It's 'Fine' My friend also asked >me this a few days ago but he thought she said 'Fire' so I had a >listen and it's 'fine' As in Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like >yooooooooo........fine' > >I was trying to listen to the song over and over again to hear 'fire' >but to no avail... but finally I got the bit where he was listening to >(near the start) and it all fell into place... > > >Much Joni > >Jamie Zoob > > Thanks! I could have sworn she is saying "five", but it's far from the first time I've misheard lyrics... that does make more sense... thanks again... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:25:29 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? >From: studio16a >Reply-To: studio16a >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:55:51 +0100 > >Do you mean you're hearing > >" Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you....five" ? > >:) > >PaulC yes. I thought she was maybe counting the beat... but basically, it didn't seem to make much sense... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:27:22 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? >From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >Reply-To: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com >To: studio16a >CC: joni@smoe.org, owner-joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? >Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 08:25:22 -0400 > > >" Oh you're a mean old daddy but I like you....five" ?> > >I thought about that too...obviously she's saying "fine"...so nobody else >hears anything at the beginning except the dulcimer? Does anybody else >hear her whispering "I buried Paul" at the end? > >Bob > >NP: Devlins, "Static In The Flow" > to me, "the fine" sounded exactly like "five"... I've misheard many other lyrics however, so in a way, I'm not suprised... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:31:22 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: Re: Barangrill When I think of "barangrill", I think of something Joni said in inteview once... I don't remember her exact words, but she said something like: In the morning every person is in a certain mood, a certain frame of mind, and every interaction the person has either elevates the person's mood, or lowers it... I have read the same basic idea from another source, as well... to me, "barangrill" is basically about how the people on Joni's journey change her mood. way of seeing things, for better or for worse... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:46:04 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? OK, so that solves that mystery. And, this may be the first case of a one-word mondegreen. Speaking of mondegreens, when I was investigating the "Tangled Up In Blue" question yesterday, I discovered one that I've had for a long time in that song...the line that I've heard as "we split up on the docks that night" is actually "we split up on a dark, sad night". Bob NP: Bruce Springsteen, "Sinaloa Cowboys" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Being on the road, as soon as you get to the Barangrill - there's only one thing on your mind - where's the next Barangrill? It's the life of a trucker - a traveler in some vehicle - a wanderer - it's everywhere when you're there and nowhere when you're not. The people in each place are such characters! It's a state of mind, it's surrealistic - like a pillow for comfort. ;-) Nuri, I believe this person has been to many Barangrils - in a way for those on the road - it is their home.- and it is their fix." As i see it, this person is new to the "Barngrill secene". The way Joni treats the characters in the lyrics make it seem this person is unfamilar with their cool world, like an upper-class child going to a working-class school. It's like this person's "heard" that there's an "amazing thing" called Barngrill where commom folks have great time, and must find it. I even think that this person may as well BE in a Barngrill, but since it's a new world for him/her, he/she has no idea that in fact he/she IS already there, so keeps on asking "where is it, WHERE is it?":) Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Bob wrote: "I discovered one that I've had for a long time in that song...the line that I've heard as "we split up on the docks that night" is actually "we split up on a dark, sad night"." And on Talk To Me, I STILL hear Joni singing "I'll shit on a secret where honor is at stake", though it must be the teeth issue which sometimes makes S sonds like SH. Did i ever tell you BOTH my fathers are dentists? Nuri Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:08:58 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? "anon anon" asked, >Does anoyne have any ideas about why Joni said the number "5" at the beginning of "Carey"?> Sure. This is one of those questions that comes up every so often. I'll draw an analogy. Have you seen line drawings in the NY Times, drawn by Al Hirschfeld? He hides the name "Nina" several times in each of his drawings, and writes the quantity near his name. Here's an example: http://www.alhirschfeld.com/random/0022.html Joni does something similar, hiding the number of albums under her belt in each record. Inexplicably, she began with "2" on "Song To A Seagull", and continues the tradition today. Since "Blue" was the 4th album, the number "5" is hidden within it. Great question. Psych, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:22:44 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the GLBT crowd Jerry wrote: <> Yeah, I know I'm a week and a half late, (how the HELL do all of you have time to read all these e-mails???) but I just wanted to say how much I enjoyed reading this article. Thanks so much, Jerry for sending it. It was well-written, a really enjoyable article, and was talking about one of the concerts I went to!! Hugs, Ashara SIGN UP FOR JONIFEST!! _www.jonifest.com_ (http://www.jonifest.com) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:03:33 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: The Coffee House Did anyone go last night to the Joni Tribute in NYC ( Kay, Patrick?) and if so could we have a review? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:11:57 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Barangrill Catherine said, >One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill.> Joni said, >>Well, some say it's in service They say, "Humble makes pure.">> I never noticed it before Catherine isolated those lines and capitalized Humble, but... before it became Exxon, the company was called "Humble," at least in Ohio. Here's the blue, oval logo: http://web.ivenue.com/keepsakecollectibles/images/humble.jpg Maybe Joni noticed the earlier logo, just as she stood 'neath that giant Exxon sign and name-checked "Exxon blue". There's more. In Ohio where I grew up, there was a regional oil company called "Pure Oil". Here's the blue, circular logo: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us~pure6.gif I may be reading too much in the lyrics, but there's other humor in Barangrill: The title is a play on words and she has that double meaning with "Folly". Do you suppose she built a list of words associated with truck stops, then used as many as possible, as a writing exercise? Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:26:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? "anon anon" asked, >Does anoyne have any ideas about why Joni said the number "5" at the beginning of "Carey"?> OK, I'm not completely insane: it DOES say "at the beginning of"! Michael F. - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:40:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Coffee House sorry correction...it was the 26th... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 16:56:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? > And on Talk To Me, I STILL hear Joni singing "I'll > shit on a secret where honor is at stake", though it > must be the teeth issue which sometimes makes S > sonds like SH. > Did i ever tell you BOTH my fathers are dentists? > > Nuri Okay, another Carey question. On the "Miles of Aisles" album, when Joni is singing "Carey," live, she says something I've never been able to decipher ever since 1973. The wind is in from Africa. The sea is full of _______. It sounds like she says "sheet." Yet, that meaning has never made much sense to me. Now, if she sang, "The sea is full of shit," I could get it, but Joni sings the word with the long e vowel sound. So, which is it, anyone? Norma Jean Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:26:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? I believe she is saying sheep Rose in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:13:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Norma Jean Garza Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > I believe she is saying sheep > > Rose in NJ > Hey, thanks RoseMJoy. It had occurred to me a few times that Joni did mean "sheep." But, I still didn't get it. Are the sheep the wayward lambs who fell into the ocean..the slaves who will be free, leaving the prosperous wicked swine with their own dirty radiation rose laundries do to themselves? Norma Jean Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 19:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: Barangrill LOL Unbelievable! When I saw the words Catherine had isolated the same thought struck me, Jim. I went as far as to research and see if Humble had actually manufactured Pure. Then I thought "oh no, that's too far fetched -- if I mention this, the list will think I've lost it." I even took it a step further. You can actually find four oil companies in the lyric if you read it "Sun Cities Service they say Humble makes Pure". Sun is now Sunoco, Cities Service is Citgo, Humble is Exxon and Pure was once fairly widely distributed and now has been resurrected as a gasoline retailer to smaller gas stations. They also had some pretty neat "filling stations" back in the day. Imagine gas stations with window boxes and a cottage look. See: http://www.agilitynut.com/gas/2b.html I think Barangrill is the mythical world Joni has invented where everyone else knows all the answers to all the "big" questions. It is inhabited by "real" people -- waitresses, truck drivers, the man at the next gas pump -- as opposed to the LA crowd and it is located out on the road somewhere. At the end of the first stanza she's decided the waitress is enlightened / has found the meaning of life / is residing in Joni's mythical Barangrill and she asks her to "Show me the way to Barangrill." In the second stanza we have the service station play on words. At face value it's saying that "it's (the meaning of life is) in service" and "humble makes pure" as if being of service (waitress) was a way to cleanse one's spirit. But her current course has Joni headed for folly. Then Joni laughs at herself and realizes it's more about mythical qualities she has projected upon the waitress than any wisdom the waitress may actually possess ("her mirrors and your will"). The use of mirrors remind me of a later song where she uses the experience again (from Refuge of the Road __ "he mirrored me back simplified"). She's had an almost comical religious experience -- the Church Of The Waitress. By the last stanza she's come to view the whole experience of Barangrill as what it is -- a snapshot of everyday life. I get the sense that she feels this world may be more real than the one she normally inhabits in LA and "some longing gets filled" just by associating with these people. She has received some sort of psychic sustenance and by the time she leaves she's not even asking about Barangrill anymore. This song works on so many levels at once. What at first listen seemed to be the least complex song on the album happens to be quite complex. I bet Joni had fun writing this song. That's how it works for me in two minutes or less. Paul In MD "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" wrote: Catherine said, >One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill.> Joni said, >>Well, some say it's in service They say, "Humble makes pure.">> I never noticed it before Catherine isolated those lines and capitalized Humble, but... before it became Exxon, the company was called "Humble," at least in Ohio. Here's the blue, oval logo: http://web.ivenue.com/keepsakecollectibles/images/humble.jpg Maybe Joni noticed the earlier logo, just as she stood 'neath that giant Exxon sign and name-checked "Exxon blue". Rose'?> There's more. In Ohio where I grew up, there was a regional oil company called "Pure Oil". Here's the blue, circular logo: http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/u/us~pure6.gif I may be reading too much in the lyrics, but there's other humor in Barangrill: The title is a play on words and she has that double meaning with "Folly". Do you suppose she built a list of words associated with truck stops, then used as many as possible, as a writing exercise? Jim L. - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #278 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)